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Well, just had an MRI and it turns out I have a herniated disc at L4L5. Having an epidural tomm, but if it doesn't improve soon it will require surgery. :-\ >:(
Anyone with recent experience with this shit?
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Well, just had an MRI and it turns out I have a herniated disc at L4L5. Having an epidural tomm, but if it doesn't improve soon it will require surgery. :-\ >:(
Anyone with recent experience with this shit?
Yup... had a 7mm protrusion on L5-S1.... did exercises, chiro, decompression went back for MRI and it was virtually gone 4 months later...
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Yup... had a 7mm protrusion on L5-S1.... did exercises, chiro, decompression went back for MRI and it was virtually gone 4 months later...
Yea, decompression was mentioned, I'm def gonna try that. But right now just in a ton of pain.
When you say exercises, could you actually work out?
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Well, just had an MRI and it turns out I have a herniated disc at L4L5. Having an epidural tomm, but if it doesn't improve soon it will require surgery. :-\ >:(
Anyone with recent experience with this shit?
Ha! I've blown out discs, and now live with a farkin' bulging disc (disc!! wise asses! ;D), and I'm sure it's not gonna get better. I'm older and going down hill, but baseball season is looming, so no time to start cryin.' Just get on with it, ya know?
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Yea, decompression was mentioned, I'm def gonna try that. But right now just in a ton of pain.
When you say exercises, could you actually work out?
Just bang someone's mom it should free it up.
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Yea, decompression was mentioned, I'm def gonna try that. But right now just in a ton of pain.
When you say exercises, could you actually work out?
By exercise I mean special stretching, posture re-education, home physical therapy basically.
Took about a month before I could even get in the gym... actually couldn't even walk for almost a week. no squats, dead for almost 6 months...
Get an inversion table; I honestly think this is what saved me..
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Ha! I've blown out discs, and now live with a farkin' bulging disc (disc!! wise asses! ;D), and I'm sure it's not gonna get better. I'm older and going down hill, but baseball season is looming, so no time to start cryin.' Just get on with it, ya know?
But I'm practically crippled right now. I've been pissing in a cup since Saturday. It's pinching a nerve down my rt leg and i can't stand up. Will it get better?
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By exercise I mean special stretching, posture re-education, home physical therapy basically.
Took about a month before I could even get in the gym... actually couldn't even walk for almost a week. no squats, dead for almost 6 months...
Get an inversion table; I honestly think this is what saved me..
Cool. Fortunately for me I have a number of physical therapy facilities at my disposal, but I'm really hoping to avoid surgery.
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But I'm practically crippled right now. I've been pissing in a cup since Saturday. It's pinching a nerve down my rt leg and i can't stand up. Will it get better?
Definitely will... I know how tuff it gets, don't give up and get depressed and move around as much as you can.... hot/cold/hot/cold really helped me. also get one of those cheap electro therapy machine if you can... it will stimulate blood flow and help with inflammation.
If you can get Flexeril and a good anti inflamatory, these are your main pharma. Avoid pain killers as much as you can. I never took those.
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Definitely will... I know how tuff it gets, don't give up and get depressed and move around as much as you can.... hot/cold/hot/cold really helped me. also get one of those cheap electro therapy machine if you can... it will stimulate blood flow and help with inflammation.
If you can get Flexeril and a good anti inflamatory, these are your main pharma. Avoid pain killers as much as you can. I never took those.
Cool thanks, gh23 :D
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My lower back is f ucked up......thinking of seeing a doc soon,it`s been hell lately.
Good luck Taco,I feel your pain bud. :(
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But I'm practically crippled right now. I've been pissing in a cup since Saturday. It's pinching a nerve down my rt leg and i can't stand up. Will it get better?
How old are you? That's a big one. My back's been dodgy for years , but up until a few years ago, would always recover, tho the recovery time would vary from 1 week to 9 months. Gravity, poor posture and a lifetime of playing hard have, I fear, caught up to me.
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A couple years ago,I had to have my wife tie my shoes each morning before I trained...........used a glute/ham machine and it cleared up in a couple months,now it`s bad again!!
Started on the glute/ham machine this morning after struggling through a tough leg day...........I hope it helps again.
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My lower back is f ucked up......thinking of seeing a doc soon,it`s been hell lately.
Good luck Taco,I feel your pain bud. :(
Yea it's been a consistent dull ache starting in my back and running down my leg for the past few months.
Friday in the gym I heard a pop, and by sat am I couldn't stand up. I regret not dealing with it earlier, even though I imagined it was just muscle stiffness at the time.
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How old are you? That's a big one. My back's been dodgy for years , but up until a few years ago, would always recover, tho the recovery time would vary from 1 week to 9 months. Gravity, poor posture and a lifetime of playing hard have, I fear, caught up to me.
I'm in my late 30's. For the past few months it's come and gone, but now it appears it's here to stay. >:(
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Cool thanks, gh23 :D
Once I could stand up and walk enough I also took 2iu of gh, 400mg of Sam-e and tons of liquid Glucosamine & chondroid. I'm serious.
My main exercise routine was simple; I forgot the name of the exercise but I would lie on my stomach, camber my back as far as I could by basically doing a pushup until my elbow locked but hips/pelvis steadily on the floor, and hold as long as I could. then do little pelvis movements as if I was fucking the floor hard.... This basically helped "stretch" the disk and "push" it in the opposite direction, creating space and helping the herniated section to resorption.
Following that, I would invert completely on the inversion table for 20-30mins.
Stretch/Ice/stay POSITIVE !
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This sucks! I think I almost herniated a disc once... in fact who knows, I may have really done it and just been dealing with it all these years.
Make sure you learn about good posture so you don't exacerbate the problem even more!
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Last note on inversion table... once you get more comfortable with it, have the wife/gf rub one off while fully inverted.... you can go for a licky too while she's going at it if you like... what a feeling... Just close eye/mouth if she steers off while you bust... it's sorta like a payback (she says...)
GodSpeed.
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10ius of some riptropins will clear that up nicely.
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Find a good physical therapist in your area. Sometimes a manual therapisst can fix you or I would try a run with lumbar traction static.
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I'm in my late 30's. For the past few months it's come and gone, but now it appears it's here to stay. >:(
Hmm. I was good up 'til about 43, so maybe you have a few years left in ya. I found that flexibility, not strength was best for the lower back -ie. no hyper-extensions or deadlifts, or any real direct lower back work, but rather indirect stuff like stick twists. Heavy ab stuff is out; you train that with your other stuff like legs, back, etc. Also, one can add one set of good ab crunching stuff after your workout - rope pull-downs, using only ab power, so they are really slow, breathing out, to full contraction; or incline sit-ups with a good ab wall stretch to a full contraction, also slow.
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I'm in my late 30's. For the past few months it's come and gone, but now it appears it's here to stay. >:(
I've been dealing with the same shit since 2007, it sucks
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Last note on inversion table... once you get more comfortable with it, have the wife/gf rub one off while fully inverted.... you can go for a licky too while she's going at it if you like... what a feeling... Just close eye/mouth if she steers off while you bust... it's sorta like a payback (she says...)
GodSpeed.
Hahaha! You really do think/act/stay positive lol
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Dr Chimp (which I suspect is an 'honorary' 'doctor') is right... flexibility over strength, although hyper extensions did help me but everyone is different..
THE MOST IMPORTANT IS: DO NOT STOP TRAINING & EXERCISING.
There is also that little precor machine where you sit on, hold the handles and culminate backwards, really helps stretching lumbar area but again everyone is different...
Check out that little homo going at it:
(http://www.mountainfitnessbyrobert.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/precor2.JPG)
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Well, just had an MRI and it turns out I have a herniated disc at L4L5. Having an epidural tomm, but if it doesn't improve soon it will require surgery. :-\ >:(
Anyone with recent experience with this shit?
hey brother i cured my back pains with BEANS
beans help the lower back recover
back pain can be a sign that your kidneys are over worked from diet or lack of nourishment , overworking of the body and too much ejaculation
what has happend is your kidneys are out of wack and need nourishment from beans like kidney beans
back pain is a result of this under nourishment, try it out and get back to me in a few days EAT ALOT OF THE BEANS ESPECIALLY KIDNEY BEANS
good luck!
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Dr Chimp (which I suspect is an 'honorary' 'doctor') is right... flexibility over strength, although hyper extensions did help me but everyone is different..
THE MOST IMPORTANT IS: DO NOT STOP TRAINING & EXERCISING.
There is also that little precor machine where you sit on, hold the handles and culminate backwards, really helps stretching lumbar area but again everyone is different...
Check out that little homo going at it:
[img width=500
height=375]http://www.mountainfitnessbyrobert.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/precor2.JPG[/img]
Yep, We have this at the offices, I will use them just as soon as I can stand lol.
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now you know why smartest weights lifters only do biceps abs and chest -which is largely enough to make girls cream their panties- :-*
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hey brother i cured my back pains with BEANS
beans help the lower back recover
back pain can be a sign that your kidneys are over worked from diet or lack of nourishment , overworking of the body and too much ejaculation
what has happend is your kidneys are out of wack and need nourishment from beans like kidney beans
back pain is a result of this under nourishment, try it out and get back to me in a few days EAT ALOT OF THE BEANS ESPECIALLY KIDNEY BEANS
good luck!
Thanks failcant. Give me your opinion on painkillers as well...
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Get well soon Chalupa
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Get well soon Chalupa
Thanks. :-\
I can't even walk downstairs to my basement, I'm stuck up here with the wife and kids. UGH
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Thanks. :-\
I can't even walk downstairs to my basement, I'm stuck up here with the wife and kids. UGH
did they remember what you look like ;D.
Ouch sounds really painful, sorry to hear
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Thanks. :-\
I can't even walk downstairs to my basement, I'm stuck up here with the wife and kids. UGH
Get some pain killers bro..The opiate variety like perks, vicoden..
Hold the beans BTW
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Thanks failcant. Give me your opinion on painkillers as well...
no i dont use painkillers but the beans should correct your spine
your spine isnt regenerating itself properly because it isnt being fed properly
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no one ever takes my experiences seriously
i had the worst ongoing lower back pain that would be bad on somedays and worse on others untill i really started eating ALOT of beans and within 2 days completley healed my back!
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did they remember what you look like ;D.
Ouch sounds really painful, sorry to hear
Unfortunately lol
Get some pain killers bro?Perks, vicoden..
Yea right now I have tramadol and cyclobenzaprine, but I might need to step my game up.
Though i really hate feeling so dopey all the time.
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no one ever takes my experiences seriously
i had the worst ongoing lower back pain that would be bad on somedays and worse on others untill i really started eating ALOT of beans and within 2 days completley healed my back!
How much meth was incorporated into your experiment along side the beans?
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Unfortunately lol
HAHA ;D
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pole beans= referening to the stem or spine
pin-to beans= refering to the "pins" in your spine
kidney beans- referening to the kidneys near your spine and one of the most important organs
nav-y beans= refereing to the naval
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pole beans= referening to the stem or spine
pin-to beans= refering to the "pins" in your spine
kidney beans- referening to the kidneys near your spine and one of the most important organs
nav-y beans= refereing to the naval
;D
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Unfortunately lol
Yea right now I have tramadol and cyclobenzaprine, but I might need to step my game up.
Though i really hate feeling so dopey all the time.
You could get real lucky and end up with 10 years and going of chronic back pain
by chronic i do mean all the time- just sometimes less other times more- but always there
still best to stay as active as you can
in most cases it just heals itself -or can be cured by surgery if it is a real clear case of nerve impingement, in remaining others it becomes chronic and r fucked for life-at which you have to admit that somethings u will never be able to do again- and this can be quite a few
-otherwise u will go crazy and sort out the problem in a more definitive way
btw - if tramadol helps u r in luck- never did shit for me
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You could get real lucky and end up with 10 years and going of chronic back pain
by chronic i do mean all the time- just sometimes less other times more- but always there
still best to stay as active as you can
in most cases it just heals itself -or can be cured by surgery if it is a real clear case of nerve impingement, in remaining others it becomes chronic and r fucked for life-at which you have to admit that somethings u will never be able to do again- and this can be quite a few
-otherwise u will go crazy and sort out the problem in a more definitive way
btw - if tramadol helps u r in luck- never did shit for me
It's really not helping, I'll have to find myself some real ok'd, I'm sure I can get a script.
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All nice and well these recommendations but no one is recommending Minimally invasive herniated disc surgery. I'm a physical therapist and patients with hernia who can't bear the pain are being send to do this surgery.
Read up about it and see if you can find anyone in your area who has experience with it.
It REALLY does help alot and no therapy is allowed for the 6 weeks after.
You can keep avoiding surgery and stay on meds and inversion table and all that crap, but really consider this.
Check it out and let me know: http://dutchspineclinic.com/
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I'm going to share my new invention to help people with lower back pain , after 3 years of suffering back problems I'm able to squat again.
PS: Basile ,don't steal my idea you creepy old pervert.
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Is that a belt-squat or whatever they're called?
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Is that a belt-squat or whatever they're called?
Yes
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I'm going to share my new invention to help people with lower back pain , after 3 years of suffering back problems I'm able to squat again.
PS: Basile ,don't steal my idea you creepy old pervert.
I'm not quite sure I understand your setup but I'm very curious to learn more...
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I'm not quite sure I understand your setup but I'm very curious to learn more...
What do you want to learn King?
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Definitely will... I know how tuff it gets, don't give up and get depressed and move around as much as you can.... hot/cold/hot/cold really helped me. also get one of those cheap electro therapy machine if you can... it will stimulate blood flow and help with inflammation.
If you can get Flexeril and a good anti inflamatory, these are your main pharma. Avoid pain killers as much as you can. I never took those.
Great advice here! (i have "spinal stenosis","Leaking Bulged,Pinching A Nerve Herinated Discs,arthritis "Facet Hypetrophy","disc desiccation" "congenital central canal stenosis",Lower Back Killing me (this pic was like a week or 2 ago) i been rushed to the ER Before (went to "go pee" in the middle of the night and just crumpled to the floor could not get up/move stand up....called 911 *laura to come "break into my house" and take me 2 the hospital..they say i need a back operation but i been doing like what Alex has stated/plus seeing a great chiropractor a couple times a week...and it's been helping!)
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Great advice here! (i have "spinal stenosis","Leaking Bulged,Pinching A Nerve Herinated Discs,arthritis "Facet Hypetrophy","disc desiccation" "congenital central canal stenosis",Lower Back Killing me (this pic was like a week or 2 ago) i been rushed to the ER Before (went to "go pee" in the middle of the night and just crumpled to the floor could not get up/move stand up....called 911 *laura to come "break into my house" and take me 2 the hospital..they say i need a back operation but i been doing like what Alex has stated/plus seeing a great chiropractor a couple times a week...and it's been helping!)
I just had an MRI and X-rays. Couldn't take the pain anymore.
Ive seen Chiros, Orthos, etc, but never had an MRI.
Ive got: Slight Stenosis
Moderate to severe scoliosis
Facet arthropathy
Foriminal narrowing
Spondylolisthesis
Spondyolisis
Bulging Disc
Overall we are still in teh "moderate to severe" stages. It doesn't get better with age. You learn to cope and "manage" however you do. Could be a combination of muscle relaxants, exercise, Chiro, Massage, PK's... etc, etc. Stuff like this doesnt' just "go away"- the weardown continues just as it does with anything.
To that other guy: Drop the fucking Deadlifts. Forsake them and say "Adios"-- sorry. I know they can build a shitload of solid mass, but in the end, who cares? Mass or chronic pain?
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Once I could stand up and walk enough I also took 2iu of gh, 400mg of Sam-e and tons of liquid Glucosamine & chondroid. I'm serious.
My main exercise routine was simple; I forgot the name of the exercise but I would lie on my stomach, camber my back as far as I could by basically doing a pushup until my elbow locked but hips/pelvis steadily on the floor, and hold as long as I could. then do little pelvis movements as if I was fucking the floor hard.... This basically helped "stretch" the disk and "push" it in the opposite direction, creating space and helping the herniated section to resorption.
Following that, I would invert completely on the inversion table for 20-30mins.
Stretch/Ice/stay POSITIVE !
Its called a McKenzie exercise (if I am understanding you correctly). The adjusting, the stim, even the inversion table are things I recommend for patients that come into my office. Sad thing is that some want that 0 - 60mph cure....
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Its called a McKenzie exercise (if I am understanding you correctly). The adjusting, the stim, even the inversion table are things I recommend for patients that come into my office. Sad thing is that some want that 0 - 60mph cure....
Yes!!!!!!
worked for me; I could actually feel the nerve pathways freeing up as I got better and better.
Took me about 4 month to recover to a point of being able to feel good about every day activities.
Thank you Dr KrackThemSpines ;D
Adjust/Align/break scar tissues POSITIVELY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I just had an MRI and X-rays. Couldn't take the pain anymore.
Ive seen Chiros, Orthos, etc, but never had an MRI.
Ive got: Slight Stenosis
Moderate to severe scoliosis Whats the measurement of your curve? Anything above 40 = harrington rods
Facet arthropathy
Foriminal narrowing
Spondylolisthesis congenital most likely....what grade? If 3+, surgery is not a bad option
Spondyolisis basically means you got spurs on your vertebra...
Bulging Disc multiple, or just one?
Overall we are still in teh "moderate to severe" stages. It doesn't get better with age. You learn to cope and "manage" however you do. Could be a combination of muscle relaxants, exercise, Chiro, Massage, PK's... etc, etc. Stuff like this doesnt' just "go away"- the weardown continues just as it does with anything.
I have recommended this to a few of my patients too. Its not cheap, but its effective : http://www.backrevolution.com/
The glute/ham can be done on a physio ball....actually Poliquin talks about how Louie Simmons (I think) had people do this with back pain...and it helped them.
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Had a pinched scyatic nerve May of last year from a hernia between the L4 and L5 root... one of the worst pains ever... right leg went painfully numb. I was cringing prone on a floor in a doctors office. Couldn't drive... couldn't work... After a script for muscle relaxers (cyclo), tramadol, and Vicadin (last of which I chewed so it would absorb faster), I got an MRI and of course it told me what I already new...
I did contraction / relaxation stretching with a PT... It helped a lot... avoided leg exercises for nearly 6 months.
Now I am back to heavy squating (375 x 6) and sprinting / jogging. I totally avoid hamstring exercised like seated leg curls and prone leg curles. Seated leg curls may have started this problem a year ago....
What triggered the event was Stiff Legged Deadlifts... avoid them at all costs... I don't see a benefit.
My right foot seemed like it was 75% numb for 6 more months... pretty good now, by maybe 2% numb still...
Things always get better... I was 33 when it happened...
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Had a pinched scyatic nerve May of last year from a hernia between the L4 and L5 root... one of the worst pains ever... right leg went painfully numb. I was cringing prone on a floor in a doctors office. Couldn't drive... couldn't work... After a script for muscle relaxers (cyclo), tramadol, and Vicadin (last of which I chewed so it would absorb faster), I got an MRI and of course it told me what I already new...
I did contraction / relaxation stretching with a PT... It helped a lot... avoided leg exercises for nearly 6 months.
Now I am back to heavy squating (375 x 6) and sprinting / jogging. I totally avoid hamstring exercised like seated leg curls and prone leg curles. Seated leg curls may have started this problem a year ago....
What triggered the event was Stiff Legged Deadlifts... avoid them at all costs... I don't see a benefit.
My right foot seemed like it was 75% numb for 6 more months... pretty good now, by maybe 2% numb still...
Things always get better... I was 33 when it happened...
Good to hear you're feeling better HaveaRedBull... ;D
you're definitely up to something with the seated leg curl... hamstring are definitely a culprit in many cases.. strong hams imbalance will throw away your posture, mess up your piriformis which is often the cause of lumbar misalignment and even nerve inflammation as the sciatic run right next to it; tension can inflame the nerve to the point of numbness...
You overcome = inspiring to all of us.
Don't give up Tacobell, you will recover.
GodSpeed.
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Had a pinched scyatic nerve May of last year from a hernia between the L4 and L5 root... one of the worst pains ever... right leg went painfully numb. I was cringing prone on a floor in a doctors office. Couldn't drive... couldn't work... After a script for muscle relaxers (cyclo), tramadol, and Vicadin (last of which I chewed so it would absorb faster), I got an MRI and of course it told me what I already new...
I did contraction / relaxation stretching with a PT... It helped a lot... avoided leg exercises for nearly 6 months.
Now I am back to heavy squating (375 x 6) and sprinting / jogging. I totally avoid hamstring exercised like seated leg curls and prone leg curles. Seated leg curls may have started this problem a year ago....
What triggered the event was Stiff Legged Deadlifts... avoid them at all costs... I don't see a benefit.
My right foot seemed like it was 75% numb for 6 more months... pretty good now, by maybe 2% numb still...
Things always get better... I was 33 when it happened...
See, most people think that whatever exercise they were doing when the "incident" occurred is the culprit. Far from likely. Think of a stacking weights on a board over two saw horses. Is it the initial 10lbs, 100lbs, or 200lbs on it that breaks the board? Nope, its that one final pound that exceeds the boards tolerance causing it to break. During the time that you are adding weight, the boards "fibers" start breaking down. You hear it creak, and sometimes crack...yet you still add more weight. This is so much like peoples low back. The "I had some low back pain, but it went away after a while" thing sets them up for failure later. Sure the body is great at healing but sometimes you need to aid that healing with adjunct things (ice, stim, stretching, adjustment, etc).
Think of this...more fibers of the hamstring complex insert into the sacro-tuberous ligament....tight hamstrings pull on ligament, that stress offsets the waythe sacrum articulates, guess what resides on top of sacrum? Mr. L5 The L5 disc is the most common disc to fail (in school they say L5 - born to fail). You can be asymptomatic for a bulge/protrusion. The reason distraction/traction machines are good is that they reintroduce imbibation into the spinal joints (the pumping action that helps discs stay healthy). I wish I would have done a few things myself early in my lifting life...my L5 probably wouldnt be as thin as it is right now. All in all, I dont think I woudl avoid hamstring exercises...just woudl make more sure that they stay flexible...and not have overpowering of the quads.
Oh, if you can..get a foam roller for those IT bands and TFL....your legs will thank you!
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Great advice here! (i have "spinal stenosis","Leaking Bulged,Pinching A Nerve Herinated Discs,arthritis "Facet Hypetrophy","disc desiccation" "congenital central canal stenosis",Lower Back Killing me (this pic was like a week or 2 ago) i been rushed to the ER Before (went to "go pee" in the middle of the night and just crumpled to the floor could not get up/move stand up....called 911 *laura to come "break into my house" and take me 2 the hospital..they say i need a back operation but i been doing like what Alex has stated/plus seeing a great chiropractor a couple times a week...and it's been helping!)
seriously mike eat alot of beans, your kidneys around your lower back are inflaming your spine
also eat alot of spinach
spin-ach= SPINE ACHE!
but you really need to eat alot of kidney beans to where your shitting 4-5 times a day
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Sounds like a bunch of slack jawed f a g g o t s in this thread.
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Sounds like a bunch of slack jawed f a g g o t s in this thread.
you're an angry fuck this am...
some sound advice going on in the thread
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you're an angry fuck this am...
some sound advice going on in the thread
Boo hoo, my poow wittle back hurts :'( :'( :'(
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seriously mike eat alot of beans, your kidneys around your lower back are inflaming your spine
also eat alot of spinach
spin-ach= SPINE ACHE!
but you really need to eat alot of kidney beans to where your shitting 4-5 times a day
You seriously are one retarded fuck
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You seriously are one retarded fuck
most retarted people dont care what you think
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The most important issue to watch out for is numbness in your legs, feet, & toes. If the ruptured disc is left pressing on the nerves, get it cleaned up, or you will experience permanent nerve damage/muscle atrophy. After everything is healed up, I would recommend front squats over back squats to keep your lower back out of the movement. Also, ditch any deadlift movement.
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1) Ditch deadlifts.
2) Inversion table
3) Foam roller.
3 months, and I am damned near cured of all back pain/stiffness. Feels like my glutes/hamstrings are firing better.
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Feels like my glutes/hamstrings are firing better.
pics or it didn't happen {no homo}
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Well, just had an MRI and it turns out I have a herniated disc at L4L5. Having an epidural tomm, but if it doesn't improve soon it will require surgery. :-\ >:(
Anyone with recent experience with this shit?
Hope surgery is not required for you, but if so, the relief will be worth it.
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most retarted people dont care what you think
Because most retarded people say things like you do and therefore should be placated like most do to you on here with a kind "Thanks nice Johnny"....followed by a pat on the head.
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My Aunt had a herniated disc and was in constant pain and couldn't walk. She had surgery and as soon as she woke up she felt so much better than she had in a long time.
Hope surgery is not required for you, but if so, the relief will be worth it.
Thank God she didn't ask you to walk on her back!
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Because most retarded people say things like you do and therefore should be placated like most do to you on here with a kind "Thanks nice Johnny"....followed by a pat on the head.
You seem to know a bit about all this stuff. Are there a few exercises, a few palliatives, and perhaps a few correctives that you could recommend to all us sufferers? Thanks in advance.
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Sounds like a bunch of slack jawed f a g g o t s in this thread.
A herniated disc is nothing Calvin can't fix with a couple of bottles of vodka.
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Thank God she didn't ask you to walk on her back!
;D ;) :D
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You seem to know a bit about all this stuff. Are there a few exercises, a few palliatives, and perhaps a few correctives that you could recommend to all us sufferers? Thanks in advance.
Everything people have said in the thread are things to help. See a chiro....see a PT...see an ortho....do something proactive. Last resort...surgery. Get a couple of opinions too. The mindset of "it will just go away" is what gets most into trouble.
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A herniated disc is nothing Calvin can't fix with a couple of bottles of vodka.
This.LOL!!! ;D
>:(
It would be like one of those Wiley Coyote,roadrunner cartoons...you know when Wiley gets run over and ends up flat as a pancake ;D
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See, most people think that whatever exercise they were doing when the "incident" occurred is the culprit. Far from likely. Think of a stacking weights on a board over two saw horses. Is it the initial 10lbs, 100lbs, or 200lbs on it that breaks the board? Nope, its that one final pound that exceeds the boards tolerance causing it to break. During the time that you are adding weight, the boards "fibers" start breaking down. You hear it creak, and sometimes crack...yet you still add more weight. This is so much like peoples low back. The "I had some low back pain, but it went away after a while" thing sets them up for failure later. Sure the body is great at healing but sometimes you need to aid that healing with adjunct things (ice, stim, stretching, adjustment, etc).
Think of this...more fibers of the hamstring complex insert into the sacro-tuberous ligament....tight hamstrings pull on ligament, that stress offsets the waythe sacrum articulates, guess what resides on top of sacrum? Mr. L5 The L5 disc is the most common disc to fail (in school they say L5 - born to fail). You can be asymptomatic for a bulge/protrusion. The reason distraction/traction machines are good is that they reintroduce imbibation into the spinal joints (the pumping action that helps discs stay healthy). I wish I would have done a few things myself early in my lifting life...my L5 probably wouldnt be as thin as it is right now. All in all, I dont think I woudl avoid hamstring exercises...just woudl make more sure that they stay flexible...and not have overpowering of the quads.
Oh, if you can..get a foam roller for those IT bands and TFL....your legs will thank you!
How about piriformis problems Dr Klickn'Spine?
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How about piriformis problems Dr Klickn'Spine?
Little vague big guy....being that the sciatic nerve bifurcates (runs through) the piriformis muscle...any irritation of the piriformis muscle can potentially cause sciatica-like symptoms. I remember reading something by Warren Hammer in "functional soft tissue release" that its his opinion that people diagnose things as being piriformis syndrome...when they really arent.
Here is what he says : http://www.kalindra.com/Piriformis/piri_hammer.htm
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Everything people have said in the thread are things to help. See a chiro....see a PT...see an ortho....do something proactive. Last resort...surgery. Get a couple of opinions too. The mindset of "it will just go away" is what gets most into trouble.
I actually disagree, while I was off work for many months when I had my second main episode I was obsessed with reading the literature on the subject. When I say literature I say the stuff in the top scientific journals like Spine, Journal of Bone and Joint Surgery, Rheumatology, etc.
In the end this much is true according to evidence based studies-this is not theoretical stuff- it is the result of following up thousands of patients;
Most acute episodes of low back pain improve considerably/disappear within 3/4 months basically regardless of what you do. chiros are BS, PT is BS, Falcons peas are as good as all of that and cheaper
Some episodes that have a clear cause as seen by imaging or even better from your symptoms, can be effectively cured by surgery (key hole, minimally invasive, slash that back wide open- whatever- difference between them is recovery time not long term results)
The remaining end up in chronic back pain, for which statistically nothing really works, again from the most expensive chiro to peas -statistically it is the same.
However that does not mean that it wont work in you case- say peas- after which you will swearing by the peas- problem is it wont work for 99% of comparable people. So someone else will swear by traction- you can try one by one. Problem is some of them make you worse,not better. So experimentation has costs.
If possible Learn to live with it and avoid heavy opiates since they will only work for a while, then fuck you up and stop working and u are addicted anyway
PS- i am amazed with all this Charo BS- For me it either did nothing or made it worse. There is no evidence what soever chiro is better than falcon's peas
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good stuff here...
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I know your pain and feel for you. I had a herniated disk in the exact location as you. I had two epidoral shots which did not do much for me, but everyone is different. I ended up having surgery a little over a year ago and have not had any problems since. The surgery was not bad at all. The pain I had went from my upper ass cheek to the bottom of my foot, and I could barely walk. I hope all goes well. Everyone is different so if you can do some rehab it may help you out. For me it did not. Good luck!!
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I actually disagree, while I was off work for many months when I had my second main episode I was obsessed with reading the literature on the subject. When I say literature I say the stuff in the top scientific journals like Spine, Journal of Bone and Joint Surgery, Rheumatology, etc. 2nd episode...what did you do for the 1st?
In the end this much is true according to evidence based studies-this is not theoretical stuff- it is the result of following up thousands of patients; As there are many evidence based studies showing efficacy of chiro and physical therapy
Most acute episodes of low back pain improve considerably/disappear within 3/4 months basically regardless of what you do. chiros are BS, PT is BS, Falcons peas are as good as all of that and cheaper As I have said before, say that to the patient in my office that has done 'everything else for their problem' yet with care has near or complete relief of their problem
Some episodes that have a clear cause as seen by imaging or even better from your symptoms, can be effectively cured by surgery (key hole, minimally invasive, slash that back wide open- whatever- difference between them is recovery time not long term results) Imaging better than the subjective complaint of a patient? Thats new
The remaining end up in chronic back pain, for which statistically nothing really works, again from the most expensive chiro to peas -statistically it is the same.
However that does not mean that it wont work in you case- say peas- after which you will swearing by the peas- problem is it wont work for 99% of comparable people. So someone else will swear by traction- you can try one by one. Problem is some of them make you worse,not better. So experimentation has costs. Same with epidurals....same with facet injections...and same with surgery. Some patients feel worse...can that person rightfully say 'surgery is the worst thing ever! It doesnt work!'
If possible Learn to live with it and avoid heavy opiates since they will only work for a while, then fuck you up and stop working and u are addicted anyway Love the learn to live with it. Wonder what you would have done if your doc would have said that to you instead of recommending surgery
PS- i am amazed with all this Charo BS- For me it either did nothing or made it worse. There is no evidence what soever chiro is better than falcon's peas
Not going to get into this as I have done in the past. You are one opinion among many. Some things work..some things dont. If going to a physical therapist (PT) improves someones condition and they are stable for the rest of their lives...then it 'worked'. Same thing with a chiro. But comparing beans (not peas) to medical treatment is truly asinine.
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Wish you a speedy recovery! :)
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I actually disagree, while I was off work for many months when I had my second main episode I was obsessed with reading the literature on the subject. When I say literature I say the stuff in the top scientific journals like Spine, Journal of Bone and Joint Surgery, Rheumatology, etc.
In the end this much is true according to evidence based studies-this is not theoretical stuff- it is the result of following up thousands of patients;
Most acute episodes of low back pain improve considerably/disappear within 3/4 months basically regardless of what you do. chiros are BS, PT is BS, Falcons peas are as good as all of that and cheaper
Some episodes that have a clear cause as seen by imaging or even better from your symptoms, can be effectively cured by surgery (key hole, minimally invasive, slash that back wide open- whatever- difference between them is recovery time not long term results)
The remaining end up in chronic back pain, for which statistically nothing really works, again from the most expensive chiro to peas -statistically it is the same.
However that does not mean that it wont work in you case- say peas- after which you will swearing by the peas- problem is it wont work for 99% of comparable people. So someone else will swear by traction- you can try one by one. Problem is some of them make you worse,not better. So experimentation has costs.
If possible Learn to live with it and avoid heavy opiates since they will only work for a while, then fuck you up and stop working and u are addicted anyway
PS- i am amazed with all this Charo BS- For me it either did nothing or made it worse. There is no evidence what soever chiro is better than falcon's peas
I agree! When it comes to chronic back pain, main stream medicine and pseudo doctors(Chiros) have a long way to go. Too much is yet unknown. But I do believe the cause is that human beings today spend more time sitting down than ever before. We sit at work all day, we sit in the car, we sit while we eat, we sit watching tv, we sit at the theater, we sit in the plane, we sit at the gym between sets, we sit while we post on getbig, etc. Spending this much time sitting down can't be good for your back.
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I agree! When it comes to chronic back pain, main stream medicine and pseudo doctors(Chiros) have a long way to go. Too much is yet unknown. But I do believe the cause is that human beings today spend more time sitting down than ever before. We sit at work all day, we sit in the car, we sit while we eat, we sit watching tv, we sit at the theater, we sit in the plane, we sit at the gym between sets, we sit while we post on getbig, etc. Spending this much time sitting down can't be good for your back.
Yes, because we pseudo docs are so big of shams nearly all nfl, mlb, and nba teams have us on staff ::)
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Yes, because we pseudo docs are so big of shams nearly all nfl, mlb, and nba teams have us on staff ::)
The majority of the population who suffer from back pain are not in the nfl, mlb or nba and therefore do not submit their backs to the same punishment as those athletes do.
Don't get offended, Krankenstein! Pseudo docs have their place as a cost effective solution for a few conditions. There are a few good chiros out there, the honest ones who don't hang posters saying that "subluxation" kills, the ones who don't claim chiros can cure all conditions and illnesses, the ones that don't tell people to come in for an adjustment 3 times a week for 9 months, the ones that don't scam the insurance company, the ones who don't bitterly bash real main stream medicine, the ones who don't prescribe bs exercises, etc...very very few.
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The majority of the population who suffer from back pain are not in the nfl, mlb or nba and therefore do not submit their backs to the same punishment as those athletes do.
Don't get offended, Krankenstein! Pseudo docs have their place as a cost effective solution for a few conditions. There are a few good chiros out there, the honest ones who don't hang posters saying that "subluxation" kills, the ones who don't claim chiros can cure all conditions and illnesses, the ones that don't tell people to come in for an adjustment 3 times a week for 9 months, the ones that don't scam the insurance company, the ones who don't bitterly bash real main stream medicine, the ones who don't prescribe bs exercises, etc...very very few.
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Oh yes, the quackwatch guy....you really should investigate Dr. Barrett...errr...actuall y he really isnt a doctor.
Hmm...want to talk about scamming an insurance company? How about the many MD's that prescribe a certain drug for a patient in order to get kickbacks from a drug company...knowing that the prescription benefits for a patient are pretty much unlimited and as long as the MD says so, the patient will use that drug..needed or not. Most chiros dont bash mainstream medicine....main stream medicine bashes chiros (much like you do). As far as comparing the punishment that an athlete puts on their body to a lay person....I never did it. But think about the length of a career and hits that a NFL player takes....compared to the guy who does concrete manual labor. Hate to tell you, the manual labor guy will look way worse. No chiro I know claims to cure all conditions and illnesses. Not one. Frequency of treatment? How about the MD who prescribes physical therapy for a patient 3x/week for 4 - 6 mos? Is he a scammer? Oh wait, he is mainstream medicine. Oh wait, he didnt have the patient get surgery so he is not thinking about the best interest of the patient and their condition. Prescribe BS exercises? Hmm..oddly enough the same exercises we prescribe are the same ones physical therapists use...oh wait, they are scammers too. Yes, folks..the only true doctor, the one who isnt scamming...the one who will get the result you want is the one who cuts you open and then sews you back together (provided he/she even did the correct procedure...oh, wait...no orthopoedic surgeon has ever screwed up a surgery) ::). Thanks Loco for clearing that up for everyone.
This is as far as I go into this debate/discussion with you. I know what I do helps many (not all). I discharge/refer the ones who do not respond to care (according to Mercy Guidelines, FRI's, Oswestry and NDI exams, orthopoedic exams, etc) to an appropriate physician or clinic that might better serve them.
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Oh yes, the quackwatch guy....you really should investigate Dr. Barrett...errr...actuall y he really isnt a doctor.
Hmm...want to talk about scamming an insurance company? How about the many MD's that prescribe a certain drug for a patient in order to get kickbacks from a drug company...knowing that the prescription benefits for a patient are pretty much unlimited and as long as the MD says so, the patient will use that drug..needed or not. Most chiros dont bash mainstream medicine....main stream medicine bashes chiros (much like you do). As far as comparing the punishment that an athlete puts on their body to a lay person....I never did it. But think about the length of a career and hits that a NFL player takes....compared to the guy who does concrete manual labor. Hate to tell you, the manual labor guy will look way worse. No chiro I know claims to cure all conditions and illnesses. Not one. Frequency of treatment? How about the MD who prescribes physical therapy for a patient 3x/week for 4 - 6 mos? Is he a scammer? Oh wait, he is mainstream medicine. Oh wait, he didnt have the patient get surgery so he is not thinking about the best interest of the patient and their condition. Prescribe BS exercises? Hmm..oddly enough the same exercises we prescribe are the same ones physical therapists use...oh wait, they are scammers too. Yes, folks..the only true doctor, the one who isnt scamming...the one who will get the result you want is the one who cuts you open and then sews you back together (provided he/she even did the correct procedure...oh, wait...no orthopoedic surgeon has ever screwed up a surgery) ::). Thanks Loco for clearing that up for everyone.
This is as far as I go into this debate/discussion with you. I know what I do helps many (not all). I discharge/refer the ones who do not respond to care (according to Mercy Guidelines, FRI's, Oswestry and NDI exams, orthopoedic exams, etc) to an appropriate physician or clinic that might better serve them.
I don't know who Dr. Barrett is. I have actually seen that poster on the wall of many chiropractor's office whom I have visited. So I googled it and found it online so that I can post it here in case somebody thought that I was exaggerating.
Everything I have posted about chiropractors comes from my own personal experience and that of my family and close friends. I am not a doctor. I am a patient. I've seen many chiropractors and all except for one fit everything I say above. On the other hand, I've never experienced what you describe about main stream doctors. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but I, my family and friends have not experienced it. I only hear or read about it. So it doesn't happen as often as it has with chiropractors.
As an example, I had eye corrective surgery from a real eye doctor. Guess what, for the last 10 years I have been able to see 20/20 with zero complications, where as before I could not see my face in the bathroom mirror without my glasses. High success rate with low risk. On the other hand, I've been to many chiropractors since 1990, all but one promised to cure my back pain. None did...pseudo science.
Good job bashing main stream medicine and validating my point! I thought you would deny that chiropractors are scammers. But instead you say that real doctors do it too. So in your mind that justifies chiropractors' scams.
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Well, just had an MRI and it turns out I have a herniated disc at L4L5. Having an epidural tomm, but if it doesn't improve soon it will require surgery. :-\ >:(
Anyone with recent experience with this shit?
go the exercise route before you do surgery, use surgery only as a last resort.
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go the exercise route before you do surgery, use surgery only as a last resort.
That's the plan. I've pretty much been on the couch all week. Had an epidural on rues which didnt do much. Scheduled to have another next Tuesday as well.
I am a big proponent of chiro and pt so I'm certainly gonna doss much as I can on that front before resorting to surgery. Once you cut, you can never uncut.
Aside fr the discomfort the most irritating part is the mental aspect. Im used to being a busy body working 60+ hrs a week, but I've just had to shut it down. Hopefully by next week. I can at least work.
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That's the plan. I've pretty much been on the couch all week. Had an epidural on rues which didnt do much. Scheduled to have another next Tuesday as well.
Why do you think the next epidural will work if the first one didn't work?
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Why do you think the next epidural will work if the first one didn't work?
From what I recall epidurals are given three times over a certain span of time.
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From what I recall epidurals are given three times over a certain span of time.
Correct.
Don't get offended, Krankenstein! Pseudo docs have their place as a cost effective solution for a few conditions. There are a few good chiros out there, the honest ones who don't hang posters saying that "subluxation" kills, the ones who don't claim chiros can cure all conditions and illnesses, the ones that don't tell people to come in for an adjustment 3 times a week for 9 months, the ones that don't scam the insurance company, the ones who don't bitterly bash real main stream medicine, the ones who don't prescribe bs exercises, etc...very very few.
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To be fair, and I have no horse in this race, but isn't all medicine corrupted in the exact same manner?
Is it better for me to go to an md who will prescribe me a pill made by some company who see s to be sponsoring everything in the docs office from pens to clipboards and lunch earlier that day?
And as for my insurance, if the doctor doesn't charge as much as he can, am I going to get any of my money back that I lay out every month? Or if I don't use any insurance for a month will the insurance company apply what I paid to next month? Probably not, so I'm content to allow my doc to run as high a bill as they'd like in hopes that it means they're interested in having the newest and best treatments in their office for me.
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And as for my insurance, if the doctor doesn't charge as much as he can, am I going to get any of my money back that I lay out every month? Or if I don't use any insurance for a month will the insurance company apply what I paid to next month? Probably not, so I'm content to allow my doc to run as high a bill as they'd like in hopes that it means they're interested in having the newest and best treatments in their office for me.
Here's the thing that most (including above) don't realize about insurance billing from doctor (doesnt matter what kind). Doesnt matter if you bill out $1,000 for a procedure. If the insurance company feels that the reasonable and customary fee for that charge is $100...thats the most you will get. Some peoples plan call for copays, then there is the matter of co-insurance....so look at it this way:
Lets take an MRI - $1200 is what MRI company charges the insurance company. Insurance company says, umm..we feel that $800 is reasonable and customary. Patients plan calls for 80% reimbursement. MRI company gets paid only $640 for that MRI. Guess whos responsibility the remaining $560 is? Patient.
In addition, offices like a chiro or physical therapist dont have carte' blanche to bill $10,000+...a lot of plans have limitations on the number of modalities per visit, maximal amount of reimbursement per service (manipulation, physical medicine), or even the amount of visits a patient can receive. I am continually confused when a patient comes back and asked why they have a bill (of various amounts) when "they have insurance, why isnt it paying for this"
In addition, there are many times that the insurance provider will request records during the treatment period. If they feel that the patient isnt progressing like they think they should (no matter if subjectively and/or objectively the patient improves), they will deem further care not medically necessary.
Oh, and regarding the unused benefits question....its just like your car....you pay every year....if you dont get into an accident, your benefits just start right over the next year.
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how's the disc now, what treatments have you done? I pinched my sciatic nerve been progressively getting worse I'm sure its a bulging disc, going to get an MRI on Thursday. :'(
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I had my 2nd epidural 10 days ago now, and it has helped considerably. Im scheduled for my 3rd this coming wed. Ive been doing decompression therapy 2-3 times each week. I am able to do most of my daily shit, albeit with discomfort and a back brace on, but I am not confined to lying down all day. I do get tired of being on my feet rather quickly, and use heat/ice at the end of the day everyday when I get home.
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I had my 2nd epidural 10 days ago now, and it has helped considerably. Im scheduled for my 3rd this coming wed. Ive been doing decompression therapy 2-3 times each week. I am able to do most of my daily shit, albeit with discomfort and a back brace on, but I am not confined to lying down all day. I do get tired of being on my feet rather quickly, and use heat/ice at the end of the day everyday when I get home.
that does NOT sound like fun
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I had my 2nd epidural 10 days ago now, and it has helped considerably. Im scheduled for my 3rd this coming wed. Ive been doing decompression therapy 2-3 times each week. I am able to do most of my daily shit, albeit with discomfort and a back brace on, but I am not confined to lying down all day. I do get tired of being on my feet rather quickly, and use heat/ice at the end of the day everyday when I get home.
Damn that sucks!
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I had my 2nd epidural 10 days ago now, and it has helped considerably. Im scheduled for my 3rd this coming wed. Ive been doing decompression therapy 2-3 times each week. I am able to do most of my daily shit, albeit with discomfort and a back brace on, but I am not confined to lying down all day. I do get tired of being on my feet rather quickly, and use heat/ice at the end of the day everyday when I get home.
Sorry to hear back pain sucks just a slight bend will fuck you up. Get well man.
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I had my 2nd epidural 10 days ago now, and it has helped considerably. Im scheduled for my 3rd this coming wed. Ive been doing decompression therapy 2-3 times each week. I am able to do most of my daily shit, albeit with discomfort and a back brace on, but I am not confined to lying down all day. I do get tired of being on my feet rather quickly, and use heat/ice at the end of the day everyday when I get home.
When you feel a sneeze coming do you wanna cry and need to hold on to something ??? :o
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When you feel a sneeze coming do you wanna cry and need to hold on to something ??? :o
Have you ever sneezed on a chick? Its a pretty funny thing to do, if you're standing next to her and just sneeze on her and don't cover your nose lol