OBAMA: The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation. http://mobile.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2011/03/18/libya
agreed 10000% berz.
If obama was capping baldheaded conservatives with Rush bumper stickers, kadaffi wouldn't be sending libyan soldiers to help us, right?
Kucinich is calling for bama's impeachment.
Go DK!
Just another smoke screen
Kucinich is calling for bama's impeachment.
Go DK!
3333666,
Haven`t I told you that you should vote for Dennis Kucinich or Ralph Nader about a million times? They are the best choices in my opinion, along with Mike Gravel.
Change we can believe in!!
Funny Obama sent greeting to the iranians for some stupid ass holiday no one ever heard of and he didnt say shit about Purim.Sometimes you oughta just think before you post. Seriously.
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The White House Blog
President Obama’s Nowruz Message
President Obama sends an important message to those celebrating the holiday of Nowruz. At a time of great regional change and renewal, the President this year speaks directly to the Iranian people, in particular the Iranian youth. “...you – the young people of Iran – carry within you both the ancient greatness of Persian civilization, and the power to forge a country that is responsive to your aspirations. Your talent, your hopes, and your choices will shape the future of Iran, and help light the world. And though times may seem dark, I want you to know that I am with you,” he says.
Read the President's Message in: Arabic (pdf) | Persian (pdf)
May all those who celebrate Nowruz around the world embrace the power of youth, and have a peaceful and prosperous new year.
Oh like i care about Bushs' message of Noruz or whatever the fuck that is? Ha ha ha ha.You must of cared about Obama`s message though, considering you posted it. As to why, I have no clue.
You must of cared about Obama`s message though, considering you posted it. As to why, I have no clue.
I thought it was interesting in light of the fact that he did not mention Purim and that many more people in this country celebrate that than whatever the fuck Noruz is.Who gives a shit about either?
Who gives a shit about either?
Obama's Women Advisers Pushed War Against Libya
fox ^ | 3/20/11 | Robert Dreyfuss, The Nation
So three or four of Obama's advisers, all women, wanted war against Libya. We'd like to think that women in power would somehow be less prowar, but in the Obama administration at least it appears that the bellicosity is worst among Hillary Clinton, Susan Rice and Samantha Power. All three are liberal interventionists, and all three seem to believe that when the United States exercises military force it has some profound, moral, life-saving character to it. Far from it.
(Excerpt) Read more at nation.foxnews.com ...
wow...I knew you were racist..but now sexism is added to the list as well.....you never cease to amaze me
Well we all know that fat hippo Mobacca runs Obama like a little bitch so this is nothing surprising.
fat hippo?....she isn't fat at all ..what are you talking about?..have you finally gone NUTS
Power and Rice are two people that need to be removed from duty.
This whole thing really does not sit well with me. We are being lied to again. First it was NFZ, now its already on to bombing his compound. Something is not right.
Do we even know who is going to take ver once gadaffi is gone?
Of course not. Will be another Islamist state. But ask a far-lefty and they'll tell you "someone who loves democracy and is tolerant and accepting of others". ::)
Seeing some of the posts at the DUmpster and at HP I just shook my head. These deluded leftistsare so taken with obama, its beyond a cult at this point.
I really dont know what to say anymore the lengths people will go to defend this admn.
What cracks me up about these interventionist leftists is that the human rights violations in Iraq put those taking place in Libya to shame. So, by their own support for intervention in Libya, they're also justifying intervention in Iraq. They can't even keep their ideologies straight.
As Batchelor was mentioning the other night - in Bahrain they have govt snipers on roof tops taking out unarmed people on sight as fast as they can. yet these same deluded obamacultists say not a word.
Obama should be impeached and tried for war crimes! Isn't that what the leftists wanted with Bush and Iraq?
Obama = warmonger, imperialist, oil thief! Slave to the Europeans and Arab League!!!!
The spinning by TeamKneepad is beyond anything i have seen in my entire life.
They are cultists of the messiah, plain and simple.
T
There was an opinion piece on CNN yesterday titled "Why Libya 2011 is not like Iraq 2003" that was full of nothing but rambling, incoherent justifications and excuses for why Obama isn't a warmonger like Bush was.
Obama = slave to Europe and the Arabs. It took less than 48 hours for the Arabs to stab us in the back and I'm sure it's coming from the Europeans, too.
I dont agree with it at all...but without the politics and shit slinging (which tires me till no end) what are the comparisons between "find wmd and iraqi freedom" (i think it was the same war)
and the lybia thing.
and what is your stance..should the US involved itself in this war.
this is for real like with out all the political partyline bullshit.. it just gets tiresome at times..
what are your thoughts
I think that your being overly negative and have a hostile attitude. Furthermore, your antipathy for those who think differently than you is visceral and divisive. I think that you have been blinded by Fox News and the right wing talk radio hatemongers. You're a card carrying democrat and are of a minority persuasion. Therefore, you are not allowed to think for yourself or criticize the Obama administration.
I dont agree with it at all...but without the politics and shit slinging (which tires me till no end) what are the comparisons between "find wmd and iraqi freedom" (i think it was the same war)
and the lybia thing.
and what is your stance..should the US involved itself in this war.
this is for real like with out all the political partyline bullshit.. it just gets tiresome at times..
what are your thoughts
I think that your being overly negative and have a hostile attitude. Furthermore, your antipathy for those who think differently than you is visceral and divisive. I think that you have been blinded by Fox News and the right wing talk radio hatemongers. You're a card carrying democrat and are of a minority persuasion. Therefore, you are not allowed to think for yourself or criticize the Obama administration.
Obama should be impeached and tried for war crimes! Isn't that what the leftists wanted with Bush and Iraq?
Obama = warmonger, imperialist, oil thief! Slave to the Europeans and Arab League!!!!
There was an opinion piece on CNN yesterday titled "Why Libya 2011 is not like Iraq 2003" that was full of nothing but rambling, incoherent justifications and excuses for why Obama isn't a warmonger like Bush was.
Obama = slave to Europe and the Arabs. It took less than 48 hours for the Arabs to stab us in the back and I'm sure it's coming from the Europeans, too.
4 weeks later and you still won't even refute Ferguson's article. You're a joke.
Feel free to continually respond to my posts with your "still laughing" line. It really cuts me deep. ::)
responding to Ferguson's article makes no sense because as I've said you are not a critical thinker..you just spout the same line over and over..it never changes....you have no insight....and yes..I will keep laughing at you....you are just so hilarious I can't help it....THINK :D
of course its an illegal war.
is anyone really arguing that?
however, the president has, for the last 10 years, done whatever the fck he wants, without consequence.
Bush practically let 911 happen, invaded iraq on some BS, deleted 4 million emails, lost trillions on 9/10/2001, and did a bunch of other shit - and he just plain got away with it.
Obama looked at it and bitched for years - then realized "Hey, I can abuse power too, and people can't do jack shit!"
So, this is what you get, shitheads. You laughed when bush did whatever the hell he wanted, just because it got the libs all pissy. Now the libs are laughing as King Obama shits on the economy and does whatever he wants on libya. He's just using the leash that bush left behind.
Like i said
bush palin bush palin bush palin bush palin bush palin bush palin.
Like i said
bush palin bush palin bush palin bush palin bush palin bush palin.
It's pretty sad. I can't think of a single instance since Obama was elected that 240 has actually criticized his messiah without justifying his actions by comparing him to Bush or Palin.
"Of course I don't support Obama's decision but Bush did this, this, and this so it's OK." ::)
If they voted for change you must have voted for status quo then?
So we are at war again just like under Bush so whats your complaint?
I now you hate Obama and im not a big fan either but he is doing his thing here.
We can agree or disagree but i have a lot more respect for his commitment now
If they voted for change you must have voted for status quo then?
So we are at war again just like under Bush so whats your complaint?
How the hell should i know??
You claimed Obama and Gaddafi were on the same page, Gaddafi calling Obama son etc..
And now you are complaining that he is attacking? Make up your mind
Wow BF. Case freaking closed.
I want just one brain dead lib to tell me that they are ok losing a relative for those scumbags.
From 2006 to 2007, Libya sent more fighters to Iraq than any other country besides Saudi Arabia. And the eastern town of Darnah (population: 80,000) sent more fighters to Iraq than any other city or town on the planet (#2 was Riyadh, with a population of 4 million).]
We're working alongside terrorists, jihadists and other vehemently anti-American peoples.
3333 has no mind
of course its an illegal war.
is anyone really arguing that?
No it isn't.
wait, youre defnding obama here?
again?
after you defended his birth certificate too?
wait, youre defnding obama here?
again?
after you defended his birth certificate too?
I'm not defending anything. We shouldn't have gone in. But going in wasn't illegal. Might be a little difficult for a CT nut to grasp that distinction.
I still want his ass impeached asap. And not once, I want obama impeached daily for so long as we can come up with valid reasons which by my count is about 5,986 at this point.
I still want his ass impeached asap. And not once, I want obama impeached daily for so long as we can come up with valid reasons which by my count is about 5,986 at this point.
did you say the same with bush?
Great more "nation building" ::)
Been doing a lot of that lately. :-\
It's not illegal, but it's goddam stupid.
How is this not "illegal"? Did Gadaffi pose an imminent threat to our national security?
It's not illegal because as commander and chief of the armed forces, The President has the power to order these strikes.
That's pretty simple... Was Vietnam illegal? It certainly wasn't a war authorized by congress.
If an imminent threat is a requirement for a legal war, then everyone in Congress in 2003 should be tried for an illegal war for voting to go to war in Iraq.
In 2003 they argued imminent threat and got Powell to put his credibility on the line. As Commander, President has power to act responsively/offensively if an imminent threat. Or so I understand.
Vietnam was an imminent threat?
Two wrongs dont make a right. I thought obama was supposed to the smartest potus ever to sit in office and realize the folly of past mistakes.
Vietnam was an imminent threat?
Woh woh... i'm not talking right or wrong.
I know you've seen my posts talking about it being wrong... but that doesn't make it illegal.
It's wrong to cheat on your girlfriend, but it ain't illegal.
At the time any spread of communism was thought to be an imminent threat to the US, the point is the original intent in the constitution and what the CIC clause has become are 2 completely different things. I would think all would agree that the POTUS shouldn't be able to just attack whom ever he feels like whenever he feels like.
No it isn't.
It's illegal if it isn't authorized by the constitution.
Yes, I do agree... but Presidents do it anyway.
Why not?
That's not true... If it's not specifically in the constitution it doesn't make it necessarily denied.
The War Powers Act of 1973 (as others have mentioned) seems to address this.
The constitution specifically limits his power on that point. Saw some news story with "humanitarian intervention doctrine" which is probably how they're going to justify this. Whatever. onward to the abyss.
That's not true... If it's not specifically in the constitution it doesn't make it necessarily denied.
The War Powers Act of 1973 (as others have mentioned) seems to address this.
Incredibly short sighted. What does he think will happen when rebels in S. Arabia take encouragement from this? Goodbye, economic recovery.
The Rise of Samantha Power and the risks for the American- Israel relationship
American Thinker ^ | March 20, 2011
As stories leak out regarding who was responsible for Barack Obama's sudden pivot from passivity regarding Libya towards military engagement (albeit with England and France being in the lead) one name has emerged as playing a key role in persuading him to push the button: Samantha Power. Her influence might cause qualms among supporters of the American-Israel relationship...Power has been critical of the strength of this friendship and alliance. This concern should be now be heightened. Not only has she emerged as a key player in foreign policy but the rationale that was used to justify American actions towards Libya can be used by other nations - if not the United States - to justify more active involvement in the Israel-Palestinian conflict.
Power was Barack Obama's most influential foreign policy adviser during the campaign; they go back years...Any influence she has would not be good for the American-Israel relationship-for reasons outlined here and here (where she said this regarding problems Barack Obama had during the campaign; "So much of it is about: Is he good for the Jews?").
Power may also have played a role in the granting of the Presidential Medal of Freedom to Mary Robinson, a person with a checkered record regarding actions towards Israel.
She now serves on the National Security Council. Foreign-policy making in this administration has been opaque at best. But one dynamic that has been now made clear is that Power has emerged as a key player....
According to Rogin, the governing doctrine that helped Obama to make his decision to act was not an appeal to the national interest, but rather to a recent concept promulgated at the United Nations called "responsibility to protect," or R2P. R2P is an effort to create a new international moral standard to prevent violence against civilians....
So it was not an appeal to our national interest that led President Obama to act but rather a new concept circulating in international policy circles - and one actively promoted by Power - that prompted his shift.
(By the way, the fact that Power played a key role in persuading Barack Obama to apply military force to protect civilians in Libya is akin to the same advice she counseled regarding Israel: Power also advocated that America send armed military forces, "a mammoth protection force" and an "external intervention", to impose a settlement between Israel and the Palestinians)....
Yup- she, Hillary, and Susan Rice went to the WH the night before bama left for his vacation and screamed at Obama until he gave the ok on this.
I thought she and Hillary hated each other though.
I guess the Brits are sending 600 royal marines into the Med. You don't need 600 dudes for SAR. No idea what they're going to do there. Incidently the entire 82nd is home for the first time since 2001. I'm in a unit now that supports them so if they go...I'll be going at some point as well. I'll let you all know.
I really hope this piece of trash is impeached and jailed for life. What a disgraceful human being he is still blaming bush and making apologies overseas for our country.
Whoever still supports this admn at this point is as bad as he is imho and just as traitorous and treasonous.
Because the president, as commander in chief, has the authority to order military action without a declaration of war, which has happened in every conflict since WWII.
holy libspeak, batman.
lol
Here is an interesting read on Presidential War Powers and how the whole thing has been perverted over the years.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/woods/woods45.html (http://www.lewrockwell.com/woods/woods45.html)
It is an interesting read. He makes some good points, but sounds like he has an agenda, referring to "neoconservatives" and accusing people who disagree with him of being dishonest. I'm sure there is opposing commentary out there. Many of his opinions are not sourced.
I think we could have a problem with this current action if Congress fails to pass a resolution approving of the air strikes.
There is a reason the framers divided the powers, and I think this kida crap with sending troops in is a prime example
Gaddafi isn't going anywhere, and the US is going to be left holding bag as the coalition dissolves, fucking brilliant
If you were President, what would you do 3333
Pick my NCAA brackets, go on world tours, scarf down kob beef, champaign, lobster tails, have nightly parties at the WH, break the national bank, pass all sorts of WTF laws, ignore the economy, appoint all sorts of communist rabble to high level appointments, etc.
this is why a serious conversation is impossible with you.. but it does speak to another point with you...but im not trying to beat a dead horse..
We've already dropped close to 1/2 a billion dollars on Libya. And for what? Obama still hasn't even laid out what the end-game is. What a sick joke this is.
ok.. ill just assume all this conversation from the right went on with Bush Sr. ODS. Clintons Bosnia airstrikes, GWB's operation find WMD's..errrr Iraqi freedom and Afg.
Is it safe to say we should have stayed out of all of those?
We've already dropped close to 1/2 a billion dollars on Libya. And for what? Obama still hasn't even laid out what the end-game is. What a sick joke this is.
Ahh, the moral equivalence argument. When all else fails....no this is a seperate issue. I dont agree with this.. I hate this.. I Malcolm Victor Pigford do not like this move by Obama, as i dont like GITMO, the OBAMACARE bill, Lazy foot on DADT, and lack of Infrastructure spending in the Stim bill, the fact that we didnt cut bait Afg and iraq.. I..hopefully for the last time.. Malcolm Victor Pigford being of sound mind and body do denounce any assertions that i am an aggreance with any of these policies enacted by the 44th president of the United States of America Barack Obama....there you go...
But to answer your question; yes, we should have stayed out of at least half of those examples you listed.
Why do you pro-Obama guys rationalize all of his actions by comparing them to Bush and co.? Bush, who you guys think was the worst president in the history of this country, should not be used for rationalizing tovarich Obama's actions.
we spend two billion a week in iraq.
So libya is a bargain so far.
Exactly
Exactly
Exactly what? How exactly is this a good thing? The so called coalition is falling apart, Gaddafi will remain in power.
Kadaffi sent the names of jihadists to our govt so we could look out for them. He 'played ball' after we pulled saddam out of his spider hole, remember?
Of course al-Q is going to back the other guys.
So Obama is on the same side as Al Queda - got it.
So Obama is on the same side as Al Queda - got it.
we spend two billion a week in iraq.
So libya is a bargain so far.
Obama = war criminal, ally to terrorists and supporter of people who murder American civilians.
So you support military intervention in Yemen and Syria.
Kadaffi also killed american citizens. Blew up a plane.
shit no. we have no business there. i'm against any libyan intervention. This would have been over a few days ago if we had stayed out of it.
no this is a seperate issue. I dont agree with this.. I hate this.. I Malcolm Victor Pigford do not like this move by Obama, as i dont like GITMO, the OBAMACARE bill, Lazy foot on DADT, and lack of Infrastructure spending in the Stim bill, the fact that we didnt cut bait Afg and iraq.. I..hopefully for the last time.. Malcolm Victor Pigford being of sound mind and body do denounce any assertions that i am an aggreance with any of these policies enacted by the 44th president of the United States of America Barack Obama....there you go...
Now.. my reason for asking this question is not do defend what i think is awful policy.. as there is more to life than black and white arguments. It is to question the "all or none" Americans who applaud when side A does something, but when side B does the same EXACT thing, it is scoffed at. But the kicker is, When someone brings up the fact that side A did this quite recently, there seems to be an endless amount of "well when he did it.. the climate was that so it was cool" when infact... its allbad.. but i understand, to some.. thats way too much thinking. They like "red vs Blue" way better
Haha, just breaking your balls, man. Debating you is much more worthwhile than watching one of the other douche bags like blacken copy/paste whatever MSNBC article/clip they can find to prove their point.
But I agree completely with your point about a lot of "all or nothing" Americans. They're on both sides. My claims stem from the fact that people constantly rationalize Obama's actions by comparing them to Bush's when they should be criticized, not rationalized. Not so much you but I see other people on here constantly justifying Obama's failures by comparing them to Bush,even when the entire thought process behind electing Obama was to go in the opposite direction of Bush.
But I digress, that's why I'm registered independent and swing vote on issues and not along party lines. 8)
You're against it? Could have fooled me as you've done nothing but rationalize it since they started the bombings.
we spend two billion a week in iraq.
So libya is a bargain so far.
Key words. So it's ok to bomb another country as long as it's inexpensive. Gotcha. In that case, Venezuela should be next. Don't have to sail or fly that far.
I'm 10000% against any US involvement in Libya. I said as sad as it was, we should have let him kill the armed rebels (who were in fact trying a govt overthrow), and it would be back to peaceful libya trade partners now.
However, when obama does it anyway, I like to analyze WHY and look at the political ramifications. i can only say "I'm against US involvement" so many times before I grow bored and like to talk about higher level motivations, etc.
we shouldn't be in any of these countries.
however, if you compare it to the initial phases of iraq - brutal shock n awe... 1700 sorties... 500 cruise missiles.
it's cheap!
If Gadaffi prevails - how will this look for bama?
shitty if kadaffi stays.
and if kadaffi flees/killed, it will mean obama got one of the most wanted terrorists on earth.
However, kadaffi was on the ropes and needed foreign paid fighters just to stay alive a month ago. The $ pipeline is gonna dry up. And foreign mercs might be happy to kill local rebels with sticks for a paycheck... but how many of them will now take the check and leave before US cruise missiles cook them? How many mercs will fight to the death, given the US reputation and power? My guess is, not many...
Wait til his october surprise... imagine him pulling osama out of the basement and asking Candidate Palin what she would have done differently.
Actually, it was reported on the John Batchelor show last night that Gadhafi has enough gold in reserve to fund an insurgency until the end of time. He's not running out of money anytime soon.
Gadhafi leaving still isn't going to help Obama as Obama has already said removing Gadhafi wasn't the plan. This is one monumental clusterfuck and you aren't capable of spinning it.
in that case, I will concede that finance point.
What about the other point? The fact his foreign defenders just may split as the US forces close in? Saddam's people were fmailiy, and many of them split. Imagine some dude from another country being asked to fight to the death. They'll take their paychecks and split - OR - the USA will put a $25 mil bounty on his head... see how fast one of them caps him.
:o
I thought you were supposed to be a man of God and you show a picture like this???
Obama is supposed to be a man of faith and launches missles on people, tortures, etc?
NO BLOOD FOR OIL!
Yawn. Genocide? More people have been murdered in the us in the last year.
Okay sure then we just leave the Brits with their dick in their hand.
You wanna sell them out. My god i wouldnt have you by my side if things got heated
How many threads do you plan on having a conversation with yourself in? It doesn't get any sadder than that.
Sadder than you and your conservatives friend sucking each others dick all the time in here?
I told you have the admin trace the ip if its that important an issue for you low-life
333386 and the rest of them it's not about the war they could care less,it's about obama, plan and simple. Any thing to make him appear to look bad they will post, shit 333386 will post anything from any source alot of it with half truths or no truth at all, he don't check any of the facts because he doesn't care,as long as it appears to make obama look bad
Im an independent so of course i vote with conservatives on some issues.
Unlike you i have a fully functioning brain able to make decisions and opinions myself.
And most important i have big enough cujones to disagree with the majority in here when i think its appropriate.
Unlike you who just logges on to get confirmation from people that your opinions are the right ones.
Seems to me you have a sad life and this forum is your only comfort. Pretty sad but if thats keeping you up who am i to judge then
Obama doesn't need any help looking like moron in this situation. You want to blame someone for how this whole thing looks blame the POTUS. He explained nothing, showed no immanent threat to the US or is assets, has every asshat in his administration commenting about it, even AG Holder. Please tell me what the AG has to do with foreign policy. Sure Gaddafi's a bad guy, but what do we know about these rebels? Not a damn thing.
He does lead 3 wars! What have you done for the peace in the world?
First of all no country is an "imminent threat" to the United States.....and he said we are doing this to protect citizens from being slaughtered...and it really doesn't matter what he says....all wars are unpredictable and you have to be flexible.....and the truth is, NO WAR has a real exit strategy...we are still in Iraq and Afghanistan.....EXIT STRATEGIES really mean nothing and never pan out in the end anyway
You don't have the slightest fucking idea who the rebels are, and if they are even Libyans. And yes it does matter what the POTUS say, seeing as how he is the command in chief of the armed forces. Every war has an exit strategy it's called victory, not fucking nation building or winning the hearts and minds horse shit. We are still in Iraq and Afghanistan because winning might make the losers feel bad and we wouldn't want that ::)
what have the Russians done for peace in the world???............NOTHING
Gimmick rage, excuse-making and lying. You got it all, BlackenWhorkMonsVenusPro gnosticatorCohibaNeuroto xin (just look at how pathetic you are)! ::)
You're an ugly, arrogant american mofo! Your turn mofo?
Stanislav Yevgrafovich Petrov (Russian: Станислав Евграфович Петров) (born c. 1939) is a retired lieutenant colonel of the Soviet Air Defence Forces who deviated from standard Soviet protocol by correctly identifying a missile attack warning as a false alarm on September 26, 1983.[1] This decision may have prevented an erroneous retaliatory nuclear attack on the United States and its Western allies.
why is it that Russia never contributes anything to world peace...they don't send peacekeepers anywhere...they constantly veto things that the rest of the world wants to do in the security council....
They are no help in Iraq. Iran , the middle east,
no one cares of about Russia or Russian opinion....they are irrelevant in the world..all they have are nuclear weapons and that doesn't scare anyone any more....Russia is impotent and irrelevant...china has more power than Russia
Libya: At least one rebel commander fought American forces in Afghanistan, sent jihadis to Iraq
(PJM) — Shortly after unrest broke out in eastern Libya in mid-February, reports emerged that an “Islamic Emirate” had been declared in the eastern Libyan town of Darnah and that, furthermore, the alleged head of that Emirate, Abdul-Hakim al-Hasadi, was a former detainee at the American prison camp in Guantánamo. The reports, which originated from Libyan government sources, were largely ignored or dismissed in the Western media.
Now, however, al-Hasadi has admitted in an interview with the Italian newspaper Il Sole 24 Ore that he fought against American forces in Afghanistan. (Hat-tip: Thomas Joscelyn at the Weekly Standard.) Al-Hasadi says that he is the person responsible for the defense of Darnah — not the town’s “Emir.” In a previous interview with Canada’s Globe and Mail, he claimed to have a force of about 1,000 men and to have commanded rebel units in battles around the town of Bin Jawad.
“I have never been at Guantánamo,” al-Hasadi explained to Il Sole 24 Ore. “I was captured in 2002 in Peshawar in Pakistan, while I was returning from Afghanistan where I fought against the foreign invasion. I was turned over to the Americans, detained for a few months in Islamabad, then turned over to Libya and released from prison in 2008.”
Al-Hasadi’s account is largely confirmed by investigations conducted by Praveen Swami, the diplomatic editor of the British daily The Telegraph. Swami originally wrote about al-Hasadi’s background in the Afghan jihad in a March 21 column. In response to a query from the present author, Swami was able to obtain confirmation of al-Hasadi’s arrest and transfer to Libya from what he describes as a “senior source” in the Afghan government.
According to a separate UK intelligence source contacted by Swami, al-Hasadi was released by the Libyan government as part of a deal that was struck with the al-Qaeda-affiliated Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIGF). The LIGF has long opposed the rule of Muammar al-Gaddafi in Libya.
http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/rebel-commander-in-libya-fought-against-u-s-in-afghanistan/?singlepage=true
Steller work, tovarich Obama!
WWWTTTFFF?
why is it that Russia never contributes anything to world peace...they don't send peacekeepers anywhere...they constantly veto things that the rest of the world wants to do in the security council....
They are no help in Iraq. Iran , the middle east,
no one cares of about Russia or Russian opinion....they are irrelevant in the world..all they have are nuclear weapons and that doesn't scare anyone any more....Russia is impotent and irrelevant...china has more power than Russia
Cue the 240 spin. ::)
Sri Lankan Muslims beat and stamp on effigy
www.drudgereport.com
Sri Lankan Muslims beat and stamp on an effigy of U.S. President Barack Obama during a protest rally against the allied forces' air strike in Libya, in Colombo, Sri Lanka, Friday, March 25, 2011. NATO's military staff is drawing up detailed plans to assume full control of the no-fly zone over Libya in coming days, after member nations agreed to take on the operation from a U.S.-led coalition.… Read more »
(AP Photo/Chamila Karunarathne)
Ground Operation In Libya Could Start In April - Russian Intelligence
TREND ^ | March 26, 2011
The international coalition force is planning a ground operation in Libya that could start in late April, a high-ranking Russian intelligence service source said on Friday, RIA Novosti reported.
"Information coming via different channels shows that NATO countries, with the active participation of Britain and the United States, are developing a plan for a ground operation on Libyan territory," he said.
"From all indications, a ground operation will be launched if the alliance fails to force the Gaddafi regime to capitulate with air strikes and missile attacks."
If the events in Libya follow this scenario, the ground operation could start "in late April-early May," he added.
(Excerpt) Read more at en.trend.az ...
As compared to who? The lying, grifting, thieving, decitful, dishonest, communist, incompetent, stealing, traitor in 1600 Pa Ave. we have now?stealing??????????....you've truly lost it
stealing??????????....you've truly lost it
so that makes it ok?
Fucked up
By Byron York
Created Mar 26 2011 - 11:12am
Jihadis who fought U.S. in Iraq, Afghanistan now enjoy American support in Libya
Comments (0) .Evidence is emerging that United States forces are waging war in Libya on behalf of rebels whose ranks include jihadis who fought against the U.S. in Afghanistan and Iraq.
Britain's Daily Telegraph reports that Abdel-Hakim al-Hasidi, a leader of U.S.-supported rebel forces in the fighting around Adjabiya, went to Afghanistan in 2002 to fight against the "foreign invasion" -- that is, U.S. troops who invaded Afghanistan in retaliation for the September 11 attacks. The Telegraph says al-Hasidi told an Italian newspaper, Il Sole 24 Ore, that he was captured in 2002 in Peshawar, Pakistan. "He was later handed over to the U.S., and then held in Libya before being released in 2008," the Telegraph reports. Al-Hasidi also told the Italian paper he recruited about 25 Libyan men to fight against U.S. forces in Iraq.
Al-Hasidi's story is consistent with evidence presented in a 2007 report published by the Combating Terrorism Center at the U.S. Military Academy in West Point. That report, by professors Joseph Felter and Brian Fishman, examined records of an al Qaeda-affiliated organization found after an October 2007 raid near Sinjar, Iraq. The records contained biographical information about nearly 700 foreign terrorists who came to Iraq to fight against the United States between August 2006 and August 2007.
Felter and Fishman found that the largest portion of foreign fighters, about 41 percent, came to Iraq from Saudi Arabia. The second-largest source of foreign fighters, at nearly 19 percent, was Libya. "Libya contributed far more fighters per capita than any other nationality in the Sinjar records, including Saudi Arabia," the authors conclude. Since previous studies had indicated far fewer Libyan fighters in Iraq, the authors suggest there may have been a "surge" of Libyans into Iraq in the spring and summer of 2007. "The apparent surge in Libyan recruits traveling to Iraq may be linked to the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group's [LIFG] increasingly cooperative relationship with al Qaeda, which culminated in the LIFG official joining al Qaeda on November 3, 2007," the report say.
The Telegraph, citing U.S. and British government sources, reports that Abdel-Hakim al-Hasidi was a member of the LIFG.
The Combating Terrorism Center reports says that Darnah, Libya -- al-Hasidi's hometown-- supplied more foreign fighters to Iraq than any other city, including Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, a city far larger than Darnah. Benghazi, Libya, now a rebel stronghold, was also a major source of Libyan fighters traveling to Iraq. "Both Darnah and Benghazi have long been associated with Islamic militancy in Libya, in particular for an uprising by Islamist organizations in the mid-1990s," the authors report. "The Libyan government blamed the uprising on 'infiltrators from the Sudan and Egypt' and one group -- the Libyan Fighting Group -- claimed to have Afghan veterans in its ranks. The Libyan uprisings became extraordinarily violent. [Libyan strongman Moammar] Gadhafi used helicopter gunships in Benghazi, cut telephone, electricity, and water supplies to Darnah and famously claimed that the militants "deserve to die without trial, like dogs." In the current fighting, Gadhafi has said that the rebels fighting against him are affiliated with al Qaeda, but his claims have found little acceptance.
There is no doubt that the rebels associated with the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group are violent extremists. The Combating Terrorism Center Report found that the Libyans, along with Moroccans, were more likely than others to become suicide bombers once they were in Iraq. The Sinjar records, plus political developments in the 2007 time period, "suggest that Libyan factions (primarily the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group) are increasingly important in al Qaeda," the report says.
Now, it is not clear what portion of the Libyan rebels, who enjoy the backing and assistance of the United States military, have been associated with al Qaeda and attacks on the U.S. in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan. That's one reason critics of the Libya war say the U.S.-led coalition doesn't really know who it's fighting for. But we may learn more in the future, especially if the rebels prevail and some former jihadis find themselves running Libya, courtesy of the United States.
.Beltway Confidential
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Wow, this is the 1st time in history that the US got in bed with a bad group because it would lead to the defeat of a badder group.
Stop the presses.
Fucked up, but it happens a lot in our history.
Meet The Press: Hillary Big-Foots Bob Gates
NewsBusters ^ | MARK Finkelstein
Posted on Sunday, March 27, 2011
Did the Secretary of Defense need to be defended . . . or jerked back into line? Hillary Clinton apparently thought so.
It was a stunning power play. On Meet The Press this morning, after Defense Secretary Bob Gates conceded that Libya is not a "vital interest" of the United States--but before he could complete his comments--Hillary cut him off. She launched into a minute-and-forty-second monologue seeking to justify US military involvement in Libya.
Gates had to sit and take it . . . and never got to say another word.
View video here.
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ROBERT GATES: No, I don't think it's a vital interest for the United States, but we clearly have an interest there, and it's a part of a region which is a vital interest for the United StatesGregory clearly addressed his follow-up question to Gates.
GREGORY: I think a lot of people would hear that and say, well that's quite striking. Not in our vital interest and yet we're committing military resources --
Before Gates could respond, Hillary jumped in.
HILLARY CLINTON: -- but, but then it wouldn't be fair to what Bob just said.
CLINTON: Did Libya attack us? No, they did not attack us. Do they have a very critical role in this region, and do they neighbor two countries in this region, you just mentioned one, Egypt and the other one, Tunisia, which cannot afford to be destabilized by conflict on their borders? Yes.Hillary went on to argue that Libya is in the vital interest of certain European allies and that we were responding to their urgent request to get involved. She drew the analogy to Afghanistan, where our European allies joined our alliance after 9-11 although it was the United States, and not Europe, that had been attacked.
to logical people she just added to what he said, to the i hate obama people she said something totally different
Ha ha ha ha ha ha - talk about kneepadding.
Hitlery saw the major gaffe of gates and knew she had to damage control since gates gave a devastsating sound bite to those of this who have been calling this a bizzare operation from day one.
Keep up the kneepadding andre - I laugh my ass off at your sycophantic worship of the communist kenyan traitor obama.
not sycophantic...I just tell the truth..I have said the things I am critical of with Obama....in what way do you agree with Obama?..tell us...
You tell the truth? Weren't you the one claiming there was secret shit going down that nobody including yourself had knowledge of? But somehow you still knew about it?
The CT'er in me says that this is obamas way to try to collapse israel by emboldening its surrounding enemies. I also believe obama wants a pan arabist caliphate to hold the us hostage on energy so we are brought to our knees in order to further his anti-colonialist visions.
The CT'er in me says that this is obamas way to try to collapse israel by emboldening its surrounding enemies. I also believe obama wants a pan arabist caliphate to hold the us hostage on energy so we are brought to our knees in order to further his anti-colonialist visions.
I made up that CT on my own.
alex jones on pp.com right now, is pushing the CT I just listed.
Is he correct? Or full of shit? Keep in mind the man spends his life on this stuff and nailed Obama 1000% on his shady shit. And he did it to Clinton and Bush before that.
im listening to batchelor right now.
U.S.'s Lose-Lose War Objective in Libya: A Tie
by Arnold Ahlert (more by this author)
Posted 03/26/2011 ET
Updated 03/27/2011 ET
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?print=yes&id=42489
My late father, a WWll veteran, never had much love for the military. Respect and a sense of duty, yes, but no love. He made this clear when I was a kid and we were watching the Army-Navy football game. "Who are you rooting for?" I asked, knowing how he felt. "I'm rooting for a tie," he answered. As I look at what's going on in Libya, with full consideration of who the players are, I'm rooting for the same thing.
Spare me the humanitarian bit. When you have Islamic jihadists going toe-to-toe with a mass-murdering thug and his followers, humanitarianism is in dangerously short supply. So, apparently, is sanity. If Colonel Cuckoo wins, we have the makings of a terrorist-led pariah state that hates the West in general, and the United States in particular. If the rebels win, we have the makings of a terrorist-led pariah state which hates the West in general, and the United States in particular.
Is there clarity in redundancy?
And then there's Barack Obama, our Backseat-Driver-in-Chief. I'm waiting for the breathless mainstream media story gushing about how great our "multitasking" President is, given the fact that he can put us in our third war in the Middle East without missing his umpteenth vacation or golf game. Perhaps, as he did with the NCAA basketball tourney, he can give us his Final Four coalition picks—as in which coalition members will stick around the longest when the outbreak of anti-war fever reaches epidemic proportions.
Remember when the last President was excoriated for his "cowboy diplomacy?" Remember when humanitarianism wasn't worth a damn when it applied to either the Afghans or the Iraqis? Remember all those "smart" people who said leaving Saddam Hussein in power would have been a better outcome than liberating Iraq? Remember when a certain man who would be President said removing that thug was a "foreign policy based on a flawed ideology?" Remember when the "experts" said Hussein could be "contained," which amounted to imposing a 12-year, no-fly zone over his country?
Who's going impose a 12-week, no-fly zone over Libya?
Not us. According to a conversation he had with members of Congress last Friday, Deputy National Security Adviser Denis McDonough, said the President "expects the preponderance of our involvement to last a matter of days, not weeks. ... It will not be an open-ended effort by the United States."
Sure it won't. History is replete with heroic tales of Europeans and/or Arabs acting in their own self-interest without American involvement, right? No doubt after all that aforementioned cowboy diplomacy, the world is ready for the United States of Switzerland to stand on the sidelines, wishing everyone else good luck.
You know what our national interests are in Libya? Neither do I. At least with Afghanistan and Iraq, a reasonable case could be made that both posed a threat to our well-being. And even if one totally disagrees, one would think that we would have learned at least one lesson with respect to military involvement: "Winning hearts and minds" is an impossible substitute for kicking jihadist butt and coming home. One can only wonder how another bout of politically correct hairsplitting, as in the current mission's stated goal of imposing a no-fly zone, irrespective of whether or not Gaddafi remains in power, can be taken seriously. An entire mission dedicated to evening out the odds between the rebels and the loyalists, so they can kill each other more "fairly?"
Putting American lives on the line to facilitate a tie?
How in the world can America be involved in a war without choosing a side? Last time I checked, choosing sides was the only reason to put American blood and treasure on the line. Again, spare me the humanitarian thing. Gaddafi had an entire month to slaughter innocents while Western nations and the United Nations twiddled their diplomatic fingers searching for a "solution." And what did they come up with? Killing innocents with planes? Bad. Slaughtering them in house-to-house, hand-to-hand combat? So far, so "good."
And that's just Libya. Last week in Yemen, snipers on rooftops killed 46 demonstrators, including three children, who were part of a protest challenging President Ali Abdullah Saleh's 32-year grip on power. Police sealed off an escape route from the demonstration with a wall of burning tires, effectively turning the protest into a government-led killing field. In Bahrain, King Hamad bin Isa Al Khalifa, with the support of 1,000 troops from Saudi Arabia and 500 policemen from the United Arab Emirates, has killed dozens of protesters and wounded or arrested hundreds more in an effort to crush a Shiite-led rebellion against Sunni-controlled government.
Apparently some manifestations of inhumanity are "more equal" than others.
Here's a modest proposal for Congress. That would be the same Congress that had no say whatsoever with regard to American involvement in Libya. Demand two votes be held, one contingent on the other. In return for putting Americans into this skirmish, a crash program for developing domestic sources of energy must be instituted. Let's see who votes for what. Americans deserve to know whether we're always going to be beholden to a bunch of 7th century fanatics, or if there's a common-sense light at the end of the energy tunnel. Who, besides our clueless President and his enviro-minions, is in favor of $5 gas accompanied by not-so-occasional firefights in the Middle East? That's the real national security issue this country must face.
Two months ago, Gaddafi was still "our bastard." Now he's another dropout from the Barack Obama Muslim Outreach Institute. When in the world are we going to snap out of it?
im listening to batchelor right now.
You dont happen to have a link do you? Does he stream online?
Arming Afghan rebels in the 80s worked out well for us. ::)
Funny - all the people attacking me on the BC issue dont say a word in this thread when i post up to date stuff.
Where for art thou oh 240,Ozmo, Mal, KC, Holmes, Andre, etc?
So they choose to attack me on the mickey mouse issues but dont saya word on this stuff?
got it.
They're pathetic individuals. Like I said in one of the other threads today, they're not actually capable of refuting these articles/points so they instead choose to focus on something like the birthers and sling personal insults.
The funny thing is that those guys weren't even AQ or Taliban then as they didn't exist yet. Now we're just cutting out the middle man and giving weapons right to the terrorists. ::)
and the new rebel leader spent the last 20 years in virgina working at an unknown job/
LMFAO... we're installing a guy. That's my take. Just like Karzai was installed, an oil man, right?
As far as Al-q.... this gets into CT terroitory. Until the late 90s, they were a tool of the USA - descending from the mujahadeen, right? Suddenly, they give us a series of war that bush/pnac desire, and they're the bad guys.
Move up 8 years, and they're suddenly our allies again as we attempt to enter another arab nation and install another US man as their leader.
Ya know, if you didn't know any better, it looks like al-Q was just a tool of the USA all along. Of course, that's alex jones territory, and we all know that AJ only gets it right when he points out Dems working with Al-Q for decades... cause repubs wouldn't do that ;)
Libya Crisis Live Update: Bin Jawad falling to pro-Gaddafi forces.
www.guardian.uk.co Live Updates ^ | 29 March 2011
CNN's Ben Wedeman tweets some bad news from Brega and Ras Lanuf.
8.54pm: The see-saw battle along the Libyan coastline seems to be heading eastwards again, as most news organisations are reporting a flight by rebel fighters and the towns of Ras Lanauf and Bin Jawad are falling back into the hands of the pro-Gaddafi forces.
Here's a map to help the geographically challenged like me:
i sw the NBC reporter embedded with the rebels (no question which side the US media is on!) complaining that there wasn't enough air support.
maybe the US is letting the sides kill each other off for a few weeks/months or even years... the "winner" will be so far maimed they'll be a pussycat in negotiations with us.
Hahaha, it's going to be hilarious when these tribes are at each other's throats and Libya devolves into full-scale civil war.
Wonder what your excuse for Obama will be then.
you are reaching again as usual...why would it be Obama's fault?..he didn't incite the Libyans to riot..they did that on their own....I hate to keep calling you out because you seem to be an intelligent guy but you keep letting your hatred for Obama affect your objectivity....why not blame Obama for the earthquake in Japan while you're at it...and of course its Obama's fault that the nuclear reactors over there are in meltdown
Are you joking? I'm asking that with a straight face.
sigh................................... :-\...you never learn
Pot meet kettle, you ignorant douche. You already embarrassed yourself on Egypt. Do you really want to go down that road again?
How did I embarrass myself on Egypt???...gotta hear this one
President Osama, literally.
Obama's message: "Kill American soldiers and we'll reward you with our best technology!"
What a sickening situation this regime has illegally put this country in.
Funny how the so called "humanitarian" reasons for this are no longer discussed.
Ex-Mujahedeen Help Lead Libyan Rebels (Obama allied with Al Qaeda terrorists)
Wall Street Journal ^ | 4/2/11 | CHARLES LEVINSON
Two former Afghan Mujahedeen and a six-year detainee at Guantanamo Bay have stepped to the fore of this city's military campaign, training new recruits for the front and to protect the city from infiltrators loyal to Col. Moammar Gadhafi.
The presence of Islamists like these amid the opposition has raised concerns, among some fellow rebels as well as their Western allies, that the goal of some Libyan fighters in battling Col. Gadhafi is to propagate Islamist extremism.
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NATO probing reports of airstrike on Libya rebels (NATO bombing their own allies)
yahoo ^ | 4/2/2011 | By BEN HUBBARD and RYAN LUCAS
How does the USA reconcile this? Explain this to me...
Fox 'blogs ^ | Sunday, April 3, 2011 | Greta Van Susteren
In the last 3 days, more than 1000 people have been massacred in Ivory Coast. Far less were killed in Libya and we joined with other nations to do air strikes, no fly zones etc. in Libya. We have not done that in Ivory Coast.
President Obama said we went into Libya for humanitarian reasons. (1000 massacred in 3 days is a humanitarian crisis.)
How do we reconcile the inactivity in Ivory Coast? And I am not suggesting we should go in (I don't have the answer.)
I am trying to figure out how the Administration justifies the disparate treatment between Libya and Ivory Coast.
Is it because the Europeans are so dependent on oil from Libya? and that is why we joined them in Libya? they lured us into it?
I don't pretend to have the answer.....let me repeat, I am merely trying to figure out why the different treatment for the citizens of Libya versus the citizens of Ivory Coast.
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Because bama lied his ass off to get us in to this so he can help al queada and the mb.
You seriously believe this?
I just think he's being stupid... Listening to some morons. You don't really believe he did this to help AQ?
You think that? Honestly?
1000000 percent I believe that. You need to stop being so naïve as to who obama actually is. He is trying to collapse the me so he can make way for a pan islamist caliphate.
Desperate people will accept anything.
Did you see the food stamp numbers I posted? Obama is the ultimate poverty pimp.
Desperate people will accept anything.
Did you see the food stamp numbers I posted? Obama is the ultimate poverty pimp.
the more rich ppl there are, the better repubs do.
the more poor ppl, the better dems do.
is this breaking news somehow? did it really not sink in until 2011? LOL
Rich people put bama in power.
You make the claim that he is sucking up to the poor people to get elected right?
Libya: Former Guantánamo detainee is training rebels
The Telegraph ^ | 4/3/2011 | Nick Allen
Rebel recruits in the eastern port city of Derna are being trained by Sufyan Bin Qumu, a Libyan who was arrested following the US-led invasion of Afghanistan in 2001, and held at Guantánamo for six years.
The Germans are ungrateful in that we sent billions upon billions defending their asses from the Soviet Union until they were able to reunite with eastern Germany...now they don't want to help us do shit
Libyan Rebel Commander: "Cut Gadaffi's Throat, Then Establish an Islamic State."
Pajamas Media ^ | April 4, 2011
While American intelligence experts search for "flickers" of jihadist involvement in the Libyan rebellion, a French reporter had no problem finding numerous jihadists on the front. "The Jihadists Go to the Front" is the title of French journalist Julien Fouchet's report from eastern Libya. Fouchet encountered a flagrant jihadist presence and met with participants who talked openly about their dedication to jihad and/or their desire to establish an Islamic state. Fouchet spotted a commander on a sand dune giving orders by satellite phone. "You can't speak to him," rebel fighters told Fouchet. "He's not fighting for Libya, it's for Allah." Further to the east Fouchet met a certain Sheikh Al-Hasy, director of the town's mosque who said "Those who followed the prophet Mohammed were the first jihadists so we're burying our martyrs next to them." Photos taken by Fouchet show a wall of the mosque covered with portraits of the "martyrs." Another commander told Fouchet "In the past I didn't like NATO. Now that they are HELPING US in Libya, it's different." As to his goals, "al-Sadi" explained to Fouchet that he had rejoined the jihad in order to "cut Gaddafi's throat and establish an Islamic state."
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Libyan Rebel Commander: "Cut Gadaffi's Throat, Then Establish an Islamic State."
Pajamas Media ^ | April 4, 2011
While American intelligence experts search for "flickers" of jihadist involvement in the Libyan rebellion, a French reporter had no problem finding numerous jihadists on the front. "The Jihadists Go to the Front" is the title of French journalist Julien Fouchet's report from eastern Libya. Fouchet encountered a flagrant jihadist presence and met with participants who talked openly about their dedication to jihad and/or their desire to establish an Islamic state. Fouchet spotted a commander on a sand dune giving orders by satellite phone. "You can't speak to him," rebel fighters told Fouchet. "He's not fighting for Libya, it's for Allah." Further to the east Fouchet met a certain Sheikh Al-Hasy, director of the town's mosque who said "Those who followed the prophet Mohammed were the first jihadists so we're burying our martyrs next to them." Photos taken by Fouchet show a wall of the mosque covered with portraits of the "martyrs." Another commander told Fouchet "In the past I didn't like NATO. Now that they are HELPING US in Libya, it's different." As to his goals, "al-Sadi" explained to Fouchet that he had rejoined the jihad in order to "cut Gaddafi's throat and establish an Islamic state."
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And Obama is gladly helping these pieces of shit. It really makes me wonder if this guy is actually trying to re-establish the caliphate.
I thought we stopped almost all of our missions... I was reading or listening something about that earlier.
From what I read, we wanted to stop and then when it became apparent that the rest of NATO is incompetent and inept we were forced to keep flying them.
Now they're talking about putting troops on the ground.
This is so fucking retarded... Of course NATO is incompetent... We knew that... How is that these people don't?
I wanna run for President Nick... You wanna be my Secretary of Defense?
I'm sure we'd do a much better job.
I called this move by the Arab League weeks ago. They were setting this up from the beginning.
Though like Kazan said, good luck. From what I've read, Israeli pilots are among the best there are.
According to Powers, Rice, and Obama - the arab league is more important than the congress.
According to Powers, Rice, and Obama - the arab league is more important than the congress.
Foreigners, Muslims, illegal immigrants are all more important than Americans to the God-King. Not surprising that they value the opinion of the Arab League more.
These Arab regimes have been buying western military equipment for decades. Why not put it to use and enforce the NFZ themselves? But they won't because they're pussies and scared to death of the Israelis.
Foreigners, Muslims, illegal immigrants are all more important than Americans to the God-King. Not surprising that they value the opinion of the Arab League more.
These Arab regimes have been buying western military equipment for decades. Why not put it to use and enforce the NFZ themselves? But they won't because they're pussies and scared to death of the Israelis.
What happened to gadaffi leaving in days?
Obama's Women Advisers Pushed War Against Libya
fox ^ | 3/20/11 | Robert Dreyfuss, The Nation
So three or four of Obama's advisers, all women, wanted war against Libya. We'd like to think that women in power would somehow be less prowar, but in the Obama administration at least it appears that the bellicosity is worst among Hillary Clinton, Susan Rice and Samantha Power. All three are liberal interventionists, and all three seem to believe that when the United States exercises military force it has some profound, moral, life-saving character to it. Far from it.
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WTF? Are you kidding with that?
Nope. These are the people Obama, Power, Rice and Clinton have decided are worth saving, arming, funding and training.
so if the rebels lose tomorrow... what has the US accomplished?
Kadaffi is weakened, his country is torn up. US intelligence agents are all over the place now. We got to blow up a bunch of shit that we wanted to blow up. if kadaffi acts up/doesn't play ball, we have thousands of new ppl on the ground in place to ice his ass. And their air defenses are gone now.
So for under a billion dollars (you know, what boehnner spends on Kleenex during a week of budget debates), we got a much stronger position over the #5 oil producing nation in the world. #winning ???
so if the rebels lose tomorrow... what has the US accomplished?
Kadaffi is weakened, his country is torn up. US intelligence agents are all over the place now. We got to blow up a bunch of shit that we wanted to blow up. if kadaffi acts up/doesn't play ball, we have thousands of new ppl on the ground in place to ice his ass. And their air defenses are gone now.
So for under a billion dollars (you know, what boehnner spends on Kleenex during a week of budget debates), we got a much stronger position over the #5 oil producing nation in the world. #winning ???
Shut the fuck up. You bring nothing to this thread beyond your fabricated claims (all of which have been shot the fuck down).
This thread is about discussing facts, not your trashy claims that are nothing more than a thinly veiled attempt to save face your God-King.
Sad bro - really sad.
okay, youd rather attack me than address my points?
Seriously, if the US completely pulls out tomorrow... kadaffi has a black eye, we have intel people in key places, and they're weaker and we're stronger. With no US casualties.
Sad bro - really sad.
okay, youd rather attack me than address my points?
Seriously, if the US completely pulls out tomorrow... kadaffi has a black eye, we have intel people in key places, and they're weaker and we're stronger. With no US casualties.
No - we look like abject failures.
ok. well, since ya dont feel like addressing my points, have a nice day :)
so if the rebels lose tomorrow... what has the US accomplished?
Kadaffi is weakened, his country is torn up. US intelligence agents are all over the place now. We got to blow up a bunch of shit that we wanted to blow up. if kadaffi acts up/doesn't play ball, we have thousands of new ppl on the ground in place to ice his ass. And their air defenses are gone now.
So for under a billion dollars (you know, what boehnner spends on Kleenex during a week of budget debates), we got a much stronger position over the #5 oil producing nation in the world. #winning ???
ok. well, since ya dont feel like addressing my points, have a nice day :)
We haven't or are we accomplishing a fucking thing, if Gadhafi stays in power, ( which he will unless he leaves willingly or gets off'd by one of his people) his stock in the ME goes way up. NATO tried to take him out and failed, this is a loose loose for the US. We either have to keep dealing with a now defiant Gadhafi, or we get some loony Islamist filling the power vacuum.
Its really amazing. I hve no love for gadaffi whatsoever - but now we turned a NFZ into a assasination hit to cover up for he incompetence of Obama issuing his statements "days not weeks" crap.
Its really amazing. I hve no love for gadaffi whatsoever - but now we turned a NFZ into a assasination hit to cover up for he incompetence of Obama issuing his statements "days not weeks" crap.
This whole affair is one gigantic fiasco. It's embarrassing for this entire country and really shows just how out of his league 240's God-King is.
The best part is that I have the Team Dildo morons attacking me on other threads who refuse to even remotely address these issues.
This whole affair is one gigantic fiasco. It's embarrassing for this entire country and really shows just how out of his league 240's God-King is.
OBAMA: The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation. http://mobile.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2011/03/18/libya
He does, if he is a 'Republican'.
He does, if he is a 'Republican'.
Oh great, the manic depressive is back. What European country are you hiding in now?
Bama told me this was to prevent genocide. Did he lie us into war like GWB?
If these boards are a farce then why do you insist of popping in here every few months to drop your prophetic knowledge on us?
Career students pursuing their umpteenth degree shouldn't thumb their nose at anyone.
Bama told me this was to prevent genocide. Did he lie us into war like GWB?
So, you can't address anything I mentioned in the previous post? All I see are the usual ad hominems BF.
There is nothing prophetic about anything I say, it's quite obvious that there is little tangible difference between the parties and that both are beholden to corporate interests; foreign policy is always the same.
I didn't bother reading your post. I caught the part about a farce as I skimmed over it and that was it. You've been a broken record for years now. Just like this post of yours, which I stopped reading after the first sentence.
If these boards are a farce then why do you insist of popping in here every few months to drop your prophetic knowledge on us?
Career students pursuing their umpteenth degree shouldn't thumb their nose at anyone.
;D
gee, why don't you just suck the terrorist off already? lol
Ha ha ha ha. Sad isn't it?
Ha ha ha ha. Sad isn't it?
I would vote for gadaffi over bama in 2012 if given the choice.
Libya rebels will receive $25 million from U.S.
The Washington Times ^ | 4-20-2011 | Eli Lake
Dismissing concerns over possible links between Libyan rebels and al Qaeda, the Obama administration has notified Congress it is providing $25 million in nonlethal aid to the rebels’ effort to drive Col. Moammar Gadhafi’s regime from power.
“The president’s proposed actions would provide urgently needed nonlethal assistance to support efforts to protect civilians and civilian-populated areas under threat of attack in Libya,” said Joseph E. Macmanus, acting assistant secretary of state for legislative affairs, in an April 15 letter. A copy of the letter, sent to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, was obtained by The Washington Times.
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So bama really can be called "osama" now for good reason correct?
But but but but - bush, koch brothers, palin!
He's done more to bring about the rise of islamic extremism in 2 months than OBL has done in the last 20 years. AQ has been working to topple these countries for years and Obama just handed them Egypt, Libya, Tunisia and so on."Those who don't know history are destined to repeat it"
He's done more to bring about the rise of islamic extremism in 2 months than OBL has done in the last 20 years. AQ has been working to topple these countries for years and Obama just handed them Egypt, Libya, Tunisia and so on.
will your hyperbole never cease???..the arabs started their own revolution..not Obama;D
Obama has OK'd use of drones in Libya, Gates says
April 21st, 2011
03:41 PM ET
http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/04/21/obama-has-okd-use-of-drones-in-libya-gates-says
U.S. President Barack Obama has approved the use of armed Predator drones in Libya, Defense Secretary Robert Gates said Thursday.
Gates told CNN the unmanned Predators would allow for "some precision capability" against the forces of longtime Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi, and will offer a "modest contribution" to NATO efforts to support Libyan rebels.
NATO, meanwhile, has signaled it may ramp up air strikes on Gadhafi's regime. NATO issued a new warning to Libyan civilians to stay away from military areas - foreshadowing plans for attacks on targets seen as strategically significant in stopping the government's attacks against civilians, according to a NATO military official.
Libyan rebels had recently complained that NATO was not being aggressive enough to protect civilians from Gadhafi's forces.
Planes and missiles from a coalition including the United States, the United Kingdom and France began attacking Libyan air-defense targets March 19 in part to establish a no-fly zone. It was authorized by a U.N. Security Council resolution, which approved military action –short of occupation - to prevent Gadhafi's forces from attacking civilians and cities.
The intervention came after a Libyan uprising, which began in mid-February after clashes between government forces and protesters. Opposition forces are seeking the ouster of Gadhafi, who has ruled for nearly 42 years.
Obama has OK'd use of drones in Libya, Gates says
April 21st, 2011
03:41 PM ET
http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/04/21/obama-has-okd-use-of-drones-in-libya-gates-says
U.S. President Barack Obama has approved the use of armed Predator drones in Libya, Defense Secretary Robert Gates said Thursday.
Gates told CNN the unmanned Predators would allow for "some precision capability" against the forces of longtime Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi, and will offer a "modest contribution" to NATO efforts to support Libyan rebels.
NATO, meanwhile, has signaled it may ramp up air strikes on Gadhafi's regime. NATO issued a new warning to Libyan civilians to stay away from military areas - foreshadowing plans for attacks on targets seen as strategically significant in stopping the government's attacks against civilians, according to a NATO military official.
Libyan rebels had recently complained that NATO was not being aggressive enough to protect civilians from Gadhafi's forces.
Planes and missiles from a coalition including the United States, the United Kingdom and France began attacking Libyan air-defense targets March 19 in part to establish a no-fly zone. It was authorized by a U.N. Security Council resolution, which approved military action –short of occupation - to prevent Gadhafi's forces from attacking civilians and cities.
The intervention came after a Libyan uprising, which began in mid-February after clashes between government forces and protesters. Opposition forces are seeking the ouster of Gadhafi, who has ruled for nearly 42 years.
I see NATO's mandate has gone from "prevent a massacre" to "offensive drone attacks and regime change".
Cue that fucktard "andreisadouche" to sing his Messiah's praises while said Messiah lies right to his face.
if American boots go on the ground then it will be considered a lie..other than that, he is well within his rights....cut the nonsense will you???
if American boots go on the ground then it will be considered a lie..other than that, he is well within his rights....cut the nonsense will you???
This is Islamic freedom:
McCain’s Libyan “Heroes” Videotaped Beheading Captured Soldier
BENGHAZI, Libya (CBS News) — U.S. Sen. John McCain, one of the strongest proponents in Congress of the American military intervention in Libya, called Friday for increased international military support of the rebel fighters.
“They are my heroes,” McCain said of the rebels as he walked out of a local hotel in Benghazi. He was traveling in an armored Mercedes jeep and had a security detail. A few Libyans waved American flags as his vehicle drove past.
Reporting from Benghazi, Libya, CBS News correspondent Allen Pizzey said the arrival of McCain is exactly the kind of VIP trip the Transitional National Council has been looking for.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/04/22/501364/main20056366.shtml
These guys are my heroes, too! ::)
Cue andreisdaman to tell us about their freedoms or some shit.
McCain is freaking nuts. What a fool
Military: When the U.S. goes to war, it must always be with crystal-clear objectives, plus an ironclad commitment to winning.
This is Islamic freedom:
McCain’s Libyan “Heroes” Videotaped Beheading Captured Soldier
BENGHAZI, Libya (CBS News) — U.S. Sen. John McCain, one of the strongest proponents in Congress of the American military intervention in Libya, called Friday for increased international military support of the rebel fighters.
“They are my heroes,” McCain said of the rebels as he walked out of a local hotel in Benghazi. He was traveling in an armored Mercedes jeep and had a security detail. A few Libyans waved American flags as his vehicle drove past.
Reporting from Benghazi, Libya, CBS News correspondent Allen Pizzey said the arrival of McCain is exactly the kind of VIP trip the Transitional National Council has been looking for.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/04/22/501364/main20056366.shtml
These guys are my heroes, too! ::)
Cue andreisdaman to tell us about their freedoms or some shit.
uhhh..excuse me..isn't mcCain a conservative//..and didn't many of you on here say you would have voted for him over obama./??..now you see that mcCain is actually LEFT of obama!!
33,
Do you believe the US publicly lists the goals of each war 100% honestly?
Or do you think sometimes they say one thing and do another?
I mean, if we wanted to defeat kadaffi, we'd level his capital city in 5 minutes, shock n awe style.
I think every day we see the "CT" that we're just there to undermine the leadershp and the al-Q rebels - helping two sets of bad guys kill each other.
Call it crazy.. but as time passes, that is exactly what's being accomplished here. Five years from now, when the nation is weak and undermined and at US/Eur mercy, Al-Q from all over the region has died in the streets of libya, and kadaffi's been pissing in a pot in a basement for 5 years... well, that will be what we've acheved - despite whatever PR BS obama says on tv for rush/beck to whine about.
Don't bring your CT trash into here. Either substantiate it or shut up.
You want some proof that the govt will often release a lie publicly, while doing something else or seeking another outcome, behind the scenes?
Gee whiz, I don't think I could find anything like that.
Please. What you're doing is derailing the thread while attempting to defend your God-King with your trashy CTs and unsubstantiated CONSPIRACY theories. You haven't posted a single article in this thread that supports or even posits the stupid claims you're throwing out.
Does he ever? Unless its some idiotic article about Sarah Palin's menstrual cycle, 240 just recklessly offers Ct's out of thin air.
Unreal. We look weak and incompentent to say the least.
eh, at this point, who gives an F what people think?
We look weak with 900 military bases, dropping jdam's on kadaffi's bedroom?
We look weak shutting down libya's military in about 19 minutes? lol
If we are able to kill/destabilize an american-killer like kadaffi, leave 10k jihadists dead with zero US casualty, then i'm not worried about "looking weak". We have a 75 foot penis with all those military bases and the ability to decimate at will. "Looking weak"? LOL... We could have taken over in 5 days... yet we drag it out, as they kill each other.
Obama - "Days not weeks"
you can play 'gotcha' with obama on his media PR bs statements all day. In the meantime, 2 sets of bad guys are offing each other as we deliver 10% of what we're capable of doing there. You can win the "i told ya so" with lame media statements. Obama's facilitating the killing of al-Q and liyan military - by each other.
But hey, gotcha barry, you said it'd be days! #losing! let's all give kadaffi a BJ guys!
you can play 'gotcha' with obama on his media PR bs statements all day. In the meantime, 2 sets of bad guys are offing each other as we deliver 10% of what we're capable of doing there. You can win the "i told ya so" with lame media statements. Obama's facilitating the killing of al-Q and liyan military - by each other.
But hey, gotcha barry, you said it'd be days! #losing! let's all give kadaffi a BJ guys!
You still don't get it do you? This is a Eu orchestrated cluster fuck, they want/need Gadhafi gone. And as far as your theory about bad guys killing each other off, hey that has never back fired on us before has it ::) I still don't understand all this half assing around, we have been doing it since Korea.
So we're talking 60 years of US policy... and we're the world's #1 superpower, the only superpower...
I dunno, maybe it works if the people running our country since 1950 believe in it. help 2 sets of enemies decimate one another.
Wake up, we still have an increasingly hostile and nuclear North Korea, that worked out well ::)
Vietnam - we lost 58000 Americans to walk away and allow the communist to take over at this point it is a wash, Nam really no threat to us.
80's Afghanistan - Armed and trained AQ for all intensive purposes, that didn't come back to fuck us did it? Managed to bleed the Soviets in the process, traded one enemy that was kept in check by MAD for one that doesn't give a shit.
Desert Storm - Left Saddam in power, and surprise surprise we are back in Iraq.
Winning the hearts and minds strategy has really worked out well, so lets try it again in the ME of all places ::)
one could argue the bases there aren't designed to deal with the small-time neighbor as much as they are potential bases of operation for "real" conflicts - such as Russia or China simultaneously launching nukes at us one day. The ability to strike Moscow from Europe and Beijing from Vietnam, before their birds even hit DC, is a huge deterrant to their launching on us.
Look at the line of bases in iraq and the similar line in afghanistan. Perfect wall against China, india, whoever.
Obama does not believe anything along those lines.
it is my belief that neither obama, nor bush, nor clinton, nor any president makes these long-term planning decisions. The joint chiefs do. They don't let some wussy leader, subject to polls that change with the wind. These bases are all over the world and ensure nobody ever takes out the USA without MAD, mutual assured destruction.
So if you want to make this about dem/repub, you're farting in the wind dude. it is what it is. Those bases keep us safe against big and small threats and will be there hundreds of years from now.
one could argue the bases there aren't designed to deal with the small-time neighbor as much as they are potential bases of operation for "real" conflicts - such as Russia or China simultaneously launching nukes at us one day. The ability to strike Moscow from Europe and Beijing from Vietnam, before their birds even hit DC, is a huge deterrant to their launching on us.
Look at the line of bases in iraq and the similar line in afghanistan. Perfect wall against China, india, whoever.
Obama does not believe anything along those lines.
he doesn't have to...the president is hostage to pentagon military strategy..if the generals say they need the bases then we will have them....its amazing how you guys try to tie everything in the world back to Obama...this shows the mental illness you guys have concerning him,,,meanwhile when its something positive, you guys say Obama has nothing to do with it...
I love laughing at you guys..keep up the good work please....you guys are hilarious!!!
Huh? Are you nuts we have what 30K in the DMZ in NK what exactly is that going to do against 2.5 million if they decided to use conventional tactics? Same goes for the Russians, they will overwhelm with sheer numbers. A strike on Moscow of Beijing could more easily be carried out by subs, but that's right we cut those with that dumbass START treaty ::)
The only deterent the bases server is so the local dictators don't get to froggy, to the big boys they a nuisance at best
he doesn't have to...the president is hostage to pentagon military strategy..if the generals say they need the bases then we will have them....its amazing how you guys try to tie everything in the world back to Obama...this shows the mental illness you guys have concerning him,,,meanwhile when its something positive, you guys say Obama has nothing to do with it...
I love laughing at you guys..keep up the good work please....you guys are hilarious!!!
Is or is not the POTUS the CIC?, Does the POTUS have a say in who is a member of the JCOS?
yes you are correct about this but he does not know military strategy..he depends on the generals to tell him things and explain things to him and then he goes from there and makes his decisions
The reason we keep small numbers of troops in these areas is to signal to those that have overwhelming might that spilling U.S. blood will automatically trigger our involvement and that involvement may not be just conventional but nuclear as well...
This poses a problem for leaders of potentially belligerent countries that any aggression towards an ally might trigger a nuclear response..which psychologically keeps these potential adversaries at bay...this strategy by the U.S., actually costs less than having divisions upon divisions of standing armies bogged down in foreign countries
Then he is not held hostage by the military strategy of the Pentagon, because his people are the ones making the strategy.
what I meant by my statement is that the president DOES NOT CONCEPTUALIZE MILITARY DOCTRINE...the generals do so and present him with options..he then makes the final decision..but he is basically deciding on MILITARY OPTIONS not his own
what I meant by my statement is that the president DOES NOT CONCEPTUALIZE MILITARY DOCTRINE...the generals do so and present him with options..he then makes the final decision..but he is basically deciding on MILITARY OPTIONS not his own
Andre - I will be at Webster Hall tonight to hear Schiff and Ron Paul speak. Wanna to meet there? I will bring my legal credentialsand drivers license andlurkers and blacken and cen delete their accounts?
WOW...I wish you would have informed me beforehand as I would have loved to have met the great 3333 in person...but I have a psychology paper I must have in by midnight tonight...listening to Ron Paul speak would have been great as well.....
I do agree that we have got to get together soon....we live nearby...we probably =need to debate in person...and I guess you can show me your credentials..but I doubt those guys will really delete their accounts,,,but at least you will have one up on them
by the way....where is Webster Hall? At Fordham University?
Huh? Are you nuts we have what 30K in the DMZ in NK what exactly is that going to do against 2.5 million if they decided to use conventional tactics? Same goes for the Russians, they will overwhelm with sheer numbers. A strike on Moscow of Beijing could more easily be carried out by subs, but that's right we cut those with that dumbass START treaty ::)
The only deterent the bases server is so the local dictators don't get to froggy, to the big boys they a nuisance at best
240 is a fucking douche bag who can't substantiate any of the bullshit claims he makes. His posts in this thread belong on the CT board with the rest of the fictitious trash he conjures up from his trailer.
Of course you can't produce a single article or any evidence whatsoever that this is Obama's game plan.
This is you trying to make Obama look smart and like he's a master of foreign policy. Protip: It isn't working. He is the biggest foreign policy failure this country has seen since Jimmeh "I've never met a Communist or Islamist thug I didn't love" Carter.
i can't think the generals - who are running the war as we all know - are hapless here. I think thye wanna see a shitload of dead libyans, PERIOD. And so far, taht's what thye're getting.
Damn dude, just hit StrawMan level there. Yep, that's exactly what the Joint Chiefs want. ::)
i'm a dbag, no doubt about it it. can't argue that.
Just telll me this... how many months of "Obama only helps rebels enough to draw out froces, bomb them, the lets them get slaughtered for a few weeks" will it take until you agree with me?
cause he could have helped the rebels to a win by now. EASILY. He keeps letting them get mauled long enough to draw out troops, then he bombs them. Draw out the enemiy, then predator bomb their asses.
How many months of this little game until you say "wow, maybe he's just getting off on killing ppl on both sides?"
I mean, 5 years of this shit, and i think even you'd agree with me. It's been what, 6 or 7 weeks of it? Give me an idea here.
i agree they have nothing.
BUT IMO, their only purpose is to draw out kadaffi's army, witht he sole purpose of carpet bombing their asses from unmanned planes once they're visible, as they move in to finish the rebels.
It's actually a depiction of obama as more evil than 33 would say.. using rebels as panws to justifiably kill kadaffi's forces so the EU will have stronger position for oil prices.
i can't think the generals - who are running the war as we all know - are hapless here. I think thye wanna see a shitload of dead libyans, PERIOD. And so far, taht's what thye're getting.
Months of what, dick head? Have you seen these rebels? They have NOTHING. From day one they have had NOTHING and they will continue to have NOTHING. They are incompetent, inept, inexperienced, cowardly and pathetic. There is nothing to whittle away because they have nothing of value. They are not a fighting force. They are not a military, a government or good human beings, for that matter.
They are Islamist trash not fit for existence on this planet and should be treated as such.
And no, he can't help them win because the American public will castrate him should he put US boots on the ground. It has nothing to do with his CT-laced plan and everything to do with the fact that this war, from day one, has enjoyed the lowest popular support of any military action in the last 3-4 decades. That's why this war isn't over.
Funny, though, considering you were one of the "Gadhafi will be gone in days" crowd. ::)
Defend Obama and try to spin this shit all you want. It is going to go down as a failure no matter how hard you try.
Islamist Websites Recruiting For Jihad in Libya: “The Market of Paradise Has Opened And The Virgins Are Waiting”
(The Australian) — As the military and humanitarian quagmire in Libya deepens, a clarion call has gone out to followers of the global jihadist movement in the West.
“Who wants to join the mujahidin? The gates of jihad are open in Libya!” declares a message posted on a pro al-Qa’ida internet forum monitored by Western analysts.
The message — and countless others like it — has set off alarms in counter-terrorism circles in the West, as al-Qa’ida and its allies move to exploit the foment in the Arab world, seizing on the conflict in Libya as a new cause celebre for Islamic militants. And as yesterday’s WikiLeaks release shows, al-Qa’ida suspects freed from Guantanamo Bay are at work in Libya.
A report from the International Centre for the Study of Radicalisation says internet jihadists are portraying Libya as the newest front in the global jihad against the West, in a policy dictated by al-Qa’ida’s top leaders.
“Senior leadership figures, including Ayman al-Zawahiri, have given a number of sermons concentrating almost solely on Libya and portraying it as the most fertile ground for their global movement,” says the report’s author, Alexander Meleagrou-Hitchens, a research fellow at ICSR. He says Zawahiri’s call has been echoed on English-language jihadist forums.
“The Western Salafi-jihadi movement is attempting to take ownership of the rebellion on behalf of the global jihad, and is portraying anti-Gaddafi forces as mujahidin, while also encouraging Western Muslims to do all they can to reach the country and take part in a supposed jihad.”
The ICSR has monitored a stream of communications on al-Qa’ida run and backed websites and forums since the Arab spring began. A typical post says: “My brothers and sisters, we are facing a global change, Alhamdulillah [praise God]! We will see this uprising continuing in all Muslim countries and soon we will see the banner of Allah everywhere!”
The forums are full of news of the exploits of jihadist fighters who have joined “Islamic battalions” in Libya under names such as the Thunderbolt Battalion and the Islamic Army of Benghazi, and so-called exclusive pictures of fighters purporting to be mujahidin on the front lines, accompanied by messages urging new recruits to join them. They provide directions on how best to travel to Libya, along with this incentive: “The market of paradise has opened and the hoor al ayn [virgins promised to martyrs] are waiting.”
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/features/libya-ripe-for-jihads-rallying-cries/story-e6frg6z6-1226044640098
What this article forgot to mention is that these Islamists will be getting US weapons and training free of charge. Hurray! ::)
i agree they have nothing.
BUT IMO, their only purpose is to draw out kadaffi's army, witht he sole purpose of carpet bombing their asses from unmanned planes once they're visible, as they move in to finish the rebels.
It's actually a depiction of obama as more evil than 33 would say.. using rebels as panws to justifiably kill kadaffi's forces so the EU will have stronger position for oil prices.
i can't think the generals - who are running the war as we all know - are hapless here. I think thye wanna see a shitload of dead libyans, PERIOD. And so far, taht's what thye're getting.
Of course you can't produce a single article or any evidence whatsoever that this is Obama's game plan.
This is you trying to make Obama look smart and like he's a master of foreign policy. Protip: It isn't working. He is the biggest foreign policy failure this country has seen since Jimmeh "I've never met a Communist or Islamist thug I didn't love" Carter.
I believe we tried that in a place called Vietnam, how'd that turn out?
For who?
For thousands of poor drafted teenagers, vietnam was a failure.
For people owning stock in companies which profit from war, vietnam must have rocked.
Now... which one of these aforementioned groups had the decision making power during nam? ;)
funny...the British said this about us during the revolutionary war....look where we are today
Are you comparing Al Queda and MB to GW and TJ?
of course not..don't be silly..but the guys who fought the revolutionary war, the minutemen, were a bunch or rag tag fighters as well with no experience...but look what they accomplished
Way to compare apples to wrenches dude. ::)
England was also 3000 miles away with the only mode of transport being sailing ships.
and how is it apples to wrenches..because you say so?..both are fighting for their freedom from a dictatorial government...what they decide to do with that freedom once they get it is anybody's guess
Just stop. It reached the point of embarrassment long ago. You, and 240 for that matter, are both coming off as pathetically uninformed and stupid at this point. It's almost nauseating watching you two dipshits try to spin this for Obama.
Give it a rest
I hope you were looking in the mirror while typing that.....your utter stupidity is amazing....and you are becoming really boring with the same shit over and over...you never deviate...which proves my point that you are mentally ill and have no critical thinking skills
Sick burn, you stupid fuck. ::)
You are a joke and why you insist on posting in these threads is beyond me. You're a true glutton for punishment and easily the most uninformed, unintelligent and pathetically incompetent dickhead posting in this thread.
But pray tell, what critical thinking skills do you have? Let's remember that you're the guy who said you support the president no matter what, not me. You = sheep and a stupid one, at that. ;)
again...critical thinking means being able to see both sides of an issue and to be able to change your opinion in the face of overwhelming evidence which contradicts your own opinion...I have seen no indication here that you have that capability...you just continue to spew the same nonsense over and over....I know you are uneducated and don't have two masters degrees like I am going to have...but Jesus man.....you're embarrassing to watch....but you are a funny mofo though...your ignorance gives me tons of laughter every day hence why I shall keep returning to see what other nonsense you will post for my entertainment
hey, i call it like i see it. IMO, the goal of our govt is dead bad guys. period. and we're getting that once a side wins, bad guys stop dying. obama turned on shock n awe for 1 week, then let th bad guys all crawl back out. now he's doing it again, killing them with predators. another 2 weeks of silence, all the while those al-Q rebels being used as bait.
dont get me wrong, i'm not attributing any of this brilliant strategy to obama, his bosses rather.
I'll ask again seeing as you've yet to provide a single modicum of evidence to support this "brilliant" strategy; can you substantiate this conspiracy theory of yours? ::)
proof's in the pudding, champ. USA could have won this thing for either side at any point in the last 6 weeks.
we didn't.
we just let each side win 40 to 60%, then we kill evey kadaffi man we see.
it's not obama - he's a tool/cheerleader. its his bosses. but if they have two options - end kadaffi in 1 week - or end him in 3 months after killing a shitload of people in his army and al-Q bitches in the rebel ranks.... which do you think they coose?
proof's in the pudding, champ. USA could have won this thing for either side at any point in the last 6 weeks.
we didn't.
we just let each side win 40 to 60%, then we kill evey kadaffi man we see.
it's not obama - he's a tool/cheerleader. its his bosses. but if they have two options - end kadaffi in 1 week - or end him in 3 months after killing a shitload of people in his army and al-Q bitches in the rebel ranks.... which do you think they coose?
an article? so when some NYT d-bag talks about it, you'll buy into it?
Your grasping at straws now, face it, the whole operation is a cluster fuck. The rebels aren't going to win because they are incompetent at best, and killing Gadhafi ain't so easy. So how long do we keep at it? When all is said and done we will have another ME country that the US will have to foot the bill to rebuild.
The funniest part of this whole thing is that you barely even hear about this WAR in the MSM. When Bush invades a Muslim country = impeach and try for war crimes and when Obama does it = nary a peep from the hypocrites on the left.
It's because of the narrative floated out there of protecting civilians, but then ignore the shit going on is Syria. Kinda shoots that argument all to hell doesn't it. If Obama is the most brilliant POTUS we have ever had, why the fuck does everybody and their brother have to make excuses and cover for him? Oh thats right, we are all to stupid to understand the nuances of his decision making ::)
Did you guys see my article on saudi arabia and obama?
I'll ask again seeing as you've yet to provide a single modicum of evidence to support this "brilliant" strategy; can you substantiate this conspiracy theory of yours? ::)
I'm hoping you're kind enough to swallow for Obama. No one likes a woman that lets spunk spill out of her mouth and onto the sheets.
Was just a matter of time, the humanitarian crisis cited yet again.
Yup.
Bomb Gadhafi's compound = killing communications so his troops can't rally for a "massacre".
Put troops on the ground to win thewarkinetic action = again prevent a massacre.
What's next? ::)
I guess the civilians in Libya are more important than those in Syria or Darfur, or maybe they just didn't pitch their tent on land with oil under it.
Former CIA Director Michael Hayden: Gaddafi Was Actually a Good Partner Against al-Qaeda
NATIONAL HARBOR, Maryland (AFP) — The former chief of the CIA on Tuesday praised Libyan leader Moamer Kadhafi’s past cooperation and said his downfall could complicate US interests in the short term.
Retired general Michael Hayden, who led the Central Intelligence Agency from 2006 to 2009 under president George W. Bush, said that restive Syria also helped US intelligence but only in selective areas.
Speaking at a conference of the Marine Corps University, Hayden said the CIA had worked well with Kadhafi and Mussa Kussa, the foreign minister who defected last month as Libyan forces moved against rebels.
“Whatever you think of Kadhafi and Mussa Kussa . . . they were good and they were good counter-terrorism partners,” Hayden told the conference near Washington.
Hayden said Syrian President Bashar al-Assad was “pretty good” at fighting Sunni Muslim militants but supported Shiite radicals. Assad belongs to the Alawite sect, a Shiite offshoot despised by Sunni extremists such as Al-Qaeda.
“In both cases, you have real near-term turbulence that could — that will — make the closer fight in the immediate time-frame much more difficult,” Hayden said.
Kadhafi, a longtime international pariah due to the 1988 Lockerbie bombing and other attacks blamed on Libyan spies, started to reconcile with the United States in 2003 and found common interests in fighting Al-Qaeda.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hI5s6mw6nLWcIu9QkvMaylslcz9g?docId=CNG.17e3806625fad53ce9d38b16c2d5c8a2.d41
So we went from working with a reformed terrorist who was turning over Al Qaeda to arming, training, funding and fighting alongside them. The logic that only the God-King understands strikes again! ::)
So we went from working with a reformed terrorist who was turning over Al Qaeda to arming, training, funding and fighting alongside them. The logic that only the God-King understands strikes again! ::)
More civilians have died in Syria this week alone than have died in Libya since the beginning of this civil war. Funny, though. The best the pussy of a God-King can muster is some talk about sanctions.
As for Darfur, remember that genocide was a foreign Arab Muslim-perpetrated massacre of hundreds of thousands of native black Sudanese and, given that Muslims get a free pass to kill at will, it's not surprising it went ignored. ::)
Going well for the Rebels ::)
didn't go too well at first for the minutemen in the revolutionary war either.....yet we were able to win eventually
It's because of the narrative floated out there of protecting civilians, but then ignore the shit going on is Syria. Kinda shoots that argument all to hell doesn't it. If Obama is the most brilliant POTUS we have ever had, why the fuck does everybody and their brother have to make excuses and cover for him? Oh thats right, we are all to stupid to understand the nuances of his decision making ::)
More civilians have died in Syria this week alone than have died in Libya since the beginning of this civil war. Funny, though. The best the pussy of a God-King can muster is some talk about sanctions.
As for Darfur, remember that genocide was a foreign Arab Muslim-perpetrated massacre of hundreds of thousands of native black Sudanese and, given that Muslims get a free pass to kill at will, it's not surprising it went ignored. ::)
You really take the piss for being the most uninformed douche bag on this board. Go ahead and keep comparing these Libyan rebels to the people who fought in the revolutionary war. You're just embarrassing yourself...not that this is new to you given that you're fast approaching Samson/Blacken laughing stock territory.
You truly are pathetically embarrassing. Give it a rest.
'Mission creep' is bad sign in Libya's civil war
Athens Banner-Herald ^ | Saturday, April 30, 2011 | Timothy Rutten
In the think-tank argot popular in foreign policy circles, "mission creep" is an idiom for one of the garden-variety mistakes most people were warned against at their mother's knee. Think "don't throw good money after bad" and you've pretty well got the essence of the thing.Predictably, though, mission creep is what's occurring in Libya. Each halting step the United States and its NATO allies take deeper into a morass none of them really understands makes it more likely that this ill-considered intervention will end in precisely the event it set out to prevent: Moammar Gadhafi's massacre of his political opponents.
That's because even the most enthusiastic of the strongman's foreign antagonists, France, is unwilling to commit troops to dislodge him from power.
Without foreign troops it seems less and less likely that an untrained, sketchily equipped, ill-organized and divided insurgency will overthrow Gadhafi, who has all the resolve of a man with nowhere else to go and the support of his tribal allies and the considerable number of Libyans who somehow have benefited from his misrule.
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No - you just dont want to see the reality of the communist looter obama for what he is.
'Mission creep' is bad sign in Libya's civil war
Athens Banner-Herald ^ | Saturday, April 30, 2011 | Timothy Rutten
In the think-tank argot popular in foreign policy circles, "mission creep" is an idiom for one of the garden-variety mistakes most people were warned against at their mother's knee. Think "don't throw good money after bad" and you've pretty well got the essence of the thing.Predictably, though, mission creep is what's occurring in Libya. Each halting step the United States and its NATO allies take deeper into a morass none of them really understands makes it more likely that this ill-considered intervention will end in precisely the event it set out to prevent: Moammar Gadhafi's massacre of his political opponents.
That's because even the most enthusiastic of the strongman's foreign antagonists, France, is unwilling to commit troops to dislodge him from power.
Without foreign troops it seems less and less likely that an untrained, sketchily equipped, ill-organized and divided insurgency will overthrow Gadhafi, who has all the resolve of a man with nowhere else to go and the support of his tribal allies and the considerable number of Libyans who somehow have benefited from his misrule.
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Boom.
wheres the boom in that statement???....more like a "plop"
"HAHAHAHA, 333'S ASS-KICKING OF ANDREISDAMAN CONTINUES"
saying that Obama is a "communist looter" is kicking my ass????..you guys are really desperate which shows I've actually gotten to you :D
The fleecing has stepped into overdrive. Libyan rebels now asking for $3 billion to set up their government.
There's a war in Libya? Must have missed it due to the blatant MSM attempts to bury any talk about this for fear that their God-King will be criticized for being a warmongering twat.
Hi, Syria. 800 dead so far and rising! ::)
WH: Libya mission to go on until Gadhafi stops
AP – A woman protects from the sun as a boy poses with a plastic weapon during Friday Prayer in Benghazi, …
By JULIE PACE, Associated Press Julie Pace, Associated Press – 1 hr 38 mins ago
WASHINGTON – The White House says the U.S. and NATO will continue military operations in Libya as long as Moammar Gadhafi keeps attacking his own people.
President Barack Obama met with NATO Secretary-General Anders Fogh Rasmussen (AHN'-derz FOHG RAHS'-moo-sihn) at the White House on Friday.
The White House says in a statement that the two agreed that the NATO-led mission has saved countless lives.
Representatives from the anti-Gadhafi Libyan Transitional Council are in Washington to meet with U.S. officials at the White House later Friday. Obama is not scheduled to join them.
The U.S. has been increasing its financial support for the opposition, but is not recognizing the Council as Libya's legitimate government.
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Days not weeks. ::) ::) ::)
Now this tyrant is violating the war powers act.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2011/05/white-house-on-war-powers-deadline-limited-us-role-in-libya-means-no-need-to-get-congressional-autho.html
Gadaffi was a puppet for awhile.
Ha ha ha - how about kermit or oscar?
damn.... nato killing kadaffi's men.... and the rebels getting killed off too?
I know i've been saying it for months... but to me it really looks like the mission is to kill as many libyans with weapons as possible, whether they're rebels (some of which are al-Q) or they're under kadaffi.
Yeah ok 240. That's why obama invited the rebels to establish an official office in wash dc.
Can you substantiate that or is this another OBL moment with you?
It's nothing more than incompetence of the highest order from a man that hasn't the faintest fucking idea in the world what he's doing with regards to foreign policy.
damn.... nato killing kadaffi's men.... and the rebels getting killed off too?
I know i've been saying it for months... but to me it really looks like the mission is to kill as many libyans with weapons as possible, whether they're rebels (some of which are al-Q) or they're under kadaffi.
This is true. At the DOD we're typically briefed on how many Libyan's we kill each morning. From there we do a lot of high-fiving, some low-fiving, and then dance to "Just can't get enough" - and that's just before the 1st of our 3 morning doughnut breaks.
It's actually my job to draw little tiny guns on the people you see in the aerial photographs (for kicks I make it look like the kids are walking around with uzi's - sucka's at Strategic Air Command are totally fooled).
Well, once again you've outed our massive conspiracy....back to the drawing board.
maybe it's incompetence. I'm not trying to analyze the motives or obama or un or anyone else, really. I''m looking at the results...
neither side is winning. both sides getting killed left and right.
Maybe it has to go on for 1, 2, 5 years of dead libyans with weapons before my theory could be proven, who knows.
But I believe the US, the UN, Obama, whoever... sure does love seeing lots of libyans blown up, sure.
Are there holograms involved? I mean, if OBL's wife could use them then why not you guys or these rebels?
:D
My clearance isn't high enough to know. You better check with 240 and SAMSON/JAG. They're usually "in" on the top top secret stuff - I just handle Bilderburg shit and below.
:D
My clearance isn't high enough to know. You better check with 240 and SAMSON/JAG. They're usually "in" on the top top secret stuff - I just handle Bilderburg shit and below.
Your Google-fu isn't strong enough yet, young padawan. The only solution is for you to drop everything and move into a trailer in some Florida swamp.
Can you substantiate that or is this another OBL moment with you? Color me surprised that you're trying to paint Obama as some master manipulator and tactician here. Really, I'm stunned by this about-face from you. ::)
It's nothing more than incompetence of the highest order from a man that hasn't the faintest fucking idea in the world what he's doing with regards to foreign policy.
This guy defends literally 100% of everything this guy does. He will not criticize anything.
But don't worry, he voted Barr. ::)
the dickface knows all
Please don't ever put macarthur and obama in the same thread BF.
Let the great general rest in peace for gods sake. Lol.
Obama's laying the groundwork for how the next century of wars will be fought! Incompetence, embarrassment and months without any identifiable progress will set the standard for 21st century warfare! He's a GENIUS! I'm in awe of your and 240's ability to see through the bullshit and recognize that Obama is simply the greatest military mind to ever grace this planet.
Shame on guys like MacArthur for not realizing that you can win wars by claiming it will takes "day, not weeks" and then arming terrorists while bombing radio towers and other useless shit, all while managing to accidentally bomb the same terrorists you want to help in the process! Talk about impressive!
I'm in so much awe of Obama's tactical prowess that it was hard for me to even type this post.
sigh.....you so much want to blame Obama you aren't thinking straight....Obama is not running the war..the Europeans are...we are in a mostly support role....Obama is not running tactics
wow, that guy killed americans and you glorify him like that. sick.
33,
are you happy that the american-killing kadaffi is "winning"?
33,
are you happy that the american-killing kadaffi is "winning"?
Wow what a surprise, this is just like everything else this administration does. Lots a vague platitudes with no real plan to accomplish anything. Well done Barack, well done ::)
Where is code pinko? Michael moore? Amnesty intl? Moveon.org? Etc etc.
I really think this is going to turn in to a constitutional crisis unless bama complies soon w the war powers act.
I hope he keeps trucking down this path. Talk about ammo for the GOP.
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DK sued him today.
I hope he keeps trucking down this path. Talk about ammo for the GOP.
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DK sued him today.
Hahahaha. The Dems are cannibalizing themselves. A bunch of them stormed out of a party meeting about Weiner earlier today, too.
So the latest report shows that the "pro-Democracy" crowd is the minority among these jihadist rebels and, to top it off, Obama claims that he's above any law and can do what he wants.
Andrethescumbag, care to defend this? ::)
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/jun/15/white-house-says-libyan-conflict-too-limited-viola/print
Nice Already over a Billion Dollrs for this "non war"
why respond to your questions???..you don't respond to mine
When DK Ron and Rand Paul, Boehner, and many others from both partires sue your ass, when the comments section of the NYT is in meltdown, when gadaffi is still here months later after you promised Days not weeks:
Andre:
Face it - obama failed miserably.
Constantly sucking Obama's dick in every post =/= asking questions.
What's it like being a mindless Obama drone at 50 years old? Embarrassing.
Carry on with hiding from all the threads you opened that fuckhole of yours in when you thought things were going your way.
Brilliant harvard legal genius my ass. More like radical communist marxist tyrant and destroyer.
Don't know, obama initiated thgis though.
Yawn. Stop the bullshit.
More deflection and cts.
obama is a moron who is breaking the law here.half a sentence condemning obama the rest of your paragraph condemning republicans
methinks the senate (who voted 100 to 1 to start this war) secretly wants it to continue, but doesn't want their fingerprints on it ;)
Republicans Graham and mccain and durbin all back this war... on the record. How many secretly support it and won't say it? methinks 42 repub senate members...
and had things gone differently in 2004 and 2008, these 2 would have been the last 2 presidents.
Is there ANY Q in your mind now- that the candidates who win the nomination are wholly owned by the war campanies? ;)
nope, it is all by design so they always have the winner no matter what party is in power
and had things gone differently in 2004 and 2008, these 2 would have been the last 2 presidents.
Is there ANY Q in your mind now- that the candidates who win the nomination are wholly owned by the war campanies? ;)
McCain is a vile scumbag. I olny voted for him since as bas as he is, obama is dfrastically worse, and I liked and still like Palin.
Only way to change it is if enough people get behind Ron Paul and give him a chance.
I want to trust Cain and Bachmann but they have issues that point to the establishment.
Cain= Pro Federal Reserve
Bachmann= pro patriot act
The rest of the Repub. nominees are obvious insider picks, I'd stay away from them.
There is never a candidate that truly says what I think they should be saying.
Ron Paul comes closest to me, even on the social issues.
Some NATO allies in Libya exhausted in 90 days
Reuters ^ | Monday, July 11, 2011
BAGHDAD, July 11 (Reuters) - New U.S. Defense Secretary Leon Panetta said on Monday that some NATO allies operating in Libya could see their forces "exhausted" within 90 days.
"The problem right now, frankly, in Libya is that ... within the next 90 days a lot of these other countries could be exhausted in terms of their capabilities, and so the United States, you know, is going to be looked at to help fill the gap," Panetta said, speaking to troops in Baghdad.
He did not say which countries he was referring to, or what the U.S. response would be to calls for help.
NATO warplanes have been bombing Libya under a U.N. mandate to prevent civilians from Muammar Gaddafi's forces, but the alliance is under mounting strain because of the cost of the operation and the failure, after more than three months, to produce a decisive outcome.
Panetta, on his first trip to Iraq since taking the Pentagon's top job on July 1, called on NATO members to do more the ensure the viability of the alliance.
His comments echoed those of his predecessor, Robert Gates, who stepped down at the end of June. Gates warned that NATO risked collective military irrelevance unless allies bore more of the burden for military spending.
"They're going to have to develop their defense capabilities. They're going to have to invest in that kind of partnership as well. We can't be the ones to carry the financial burden in all of these situations. Others have got to do it as well..." Panetta said.
"I'm a believer in partnerships but when you talk about partnerships, dammit you gotta be partners.
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240, blacken, benny, vince, mal, et al could care less.
Obama could rape their mother and sister in front of them and they was say "Can I have one too please?"
how many libyans were killed in the last few months? how many americans died to do so? How weak and depleted is the libyan govt and military? how has their strategic power in negotiating oil sales to europe been weakened?
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how many libyans were killed in the last few months? how many americans died to do so? How weak and depleted is the libyan govt and military? how has their strategic power in negotiating oil sales to europe been weakened?
;)
Honestly, if I was a terrorist I would've been in Libya months ago. It's "Toys 'R Us" for mass-murdering douche bags.
70+ brand-new surface-to-air, shoulder-fired missiles vanished three weeks ago. ::)
Wanna make a trip and become international arms dealers?
I hear there's good money in that shit.
8)
;D
Lord of War is an awesome movie. Great beginning.
Wanna make a trip and become international arms dealers?
I hear there's good money in that shit.
8)
Obama and holder have some tips.
So we're saying that this could bring down NATO?
Damn... Obama will have done something right accidentally.
Can the UN be next?
Libyas rebels were in disarray on Friday after the mysterious killing of their leading military commander triggered fears that opposition fighters battling to oust Col Muammar Gaddafi could instead turn their weapons on each other.
This has been my belief all along- the US benefits from chaos in Libya. Lots of armed bad guys, many with affil to gadaffi or al-q, are capping one another.
So obamas goal was to blow billions of dollars, allow his father to make us look like fools, lose international repuation, collapse NATO, etc?
180 six months ago: Gadhafi will be gone in days.
It's amazing this disgrace is not getting more coverage.
Of course not. The MSM loves when liberals satiate their blood-lust.
Meanwhile, Syria just rolled tanks right into the heart of Hama and have been shelling homes around the clock for the last week now. But rest assured, the UN security council finally agreed to condemn them. How fucking sad.
Total bloodbath over there. I guess the State Dept. Is waiting for "the reformer" Assad to come through. Lmao.
Meanwhile , did you see who is now heading OPEC?
lol @ fcking bitching about obama firing a missile at Kadaffi.
the level of pussified belief from repubs disgusts me.
if this was a brave president mccain shooting missiles at the terrorist kadaffi, you'd be jacking off in the streets. But since it's a lib president, suddenly it takes too long, and "oh, he said non-kinetic, but I think this is technically kinetic..."
Obama killed the bad guy. Get over it.
lol @ fcking bitching about obama firing a missile at Kadaffi.
the level of pussified belief from repubs disgusts me.
if this was a brave president mccain shooting missiles at the terrorist kadaffi, you'd be jacking off in the streets. But since it's a lib president, suddenly it takes too long, and "oh, he said non-kinetic, but I think this is technically kinetic..."
Obama killed the bad guy. Get over it.
Obama didn't do shit.......a Bush era predator drone ..firing a Bush era hellfire....provided by a Bush era military that Obama was dead set against killed this idiot. All because Obama didn't to look like a pussy. He took the easy way out...and we still don't have a real reason for the libyan action. Was this guy ever a target of Obama...he shook his friggen hand at the UN.
Obama didn't do shit.......a Bush era predator drone ..firing a Bush era hellfire....provided by a Bush era military that Obama was dead set against killed this idiot. All because Obama didn't to look like a pussy. He took the easy way out...and we still don't have a real reason for the libyan action. Was this guy ever a target of Obama...he shook his friggen hand at the UN.
Would the close air support provided by our AF or the skilled use of the drones be possible without 10 years of combat in Iraq. This type of warfare with limited assets on the ground is very difficult. Much like the op against Osama...all can be tied to Bush, right or wrong. Atleast Barry was fully justified in killing that asshole. Epic spin...look at Barry's congressional record...voted against Iraq...no Iraq..no close air support expertise...no experienced JSOC forward air controlers directing drones and airstrikes..no Barry victory lap. But idiot...u have no idea what the hell I'm talking about.
Would the close air support provided by our AF or the skilled use of the drones be possible without 10 years of combat in Iraq. This type of warfare with limited assets on the ground is very difficult. Much like the op against Osama...all can be tied to Bush, right or wrong. Atleast Barry was fully justified in killing that asshole. Epic spin...look at Barry's congressional record...voted against Iraq...no Iraq..no close air support expertise...no experienced JSOC forward air controlers directing drones and airstrikes..no Barry victory lap. But idiot...u have no idea what the hell I'm talking about.
Obama didn't do shit.......a Bush era predator drone ..firing a Bush era hellfire....provided by a Bush era military that Obama was dead set against killed this idiot. All because Obama didn't to look like a pussy. He took the easy way out...and we still don't have a real reason for the libyan action. Was this guy ever a target of Obama...he shook his friggen hand at the UN.
I'm not crediting Bush...but Barry doesn;t get shit either because I'm still searching for a reason. Anybody paying any attention to LIbya before 48hrs ago...anybody? Further..anybody see Hils reaction...if Bush or Cheney had that reaction..the media would have had a coronary.
I'm not crediting Bush...but Barry doesn;t get shit either because I'm still searching for a reason. Anybody paying any attention to LIbya before 48hrs ago...anybody? Further..anybody see Hils reaction...if Bush or Cheney had that reaction..the media would have had a coronary.
which 'commander in chief' initiated this action? Obama.
which 'commander in chief' took criticism for it? Obama.
Which 'commander in chief' controls the military doing all the bombing? Obama.
Which 'commander in chief' woudl have been ridiculed MERCILESSLY, if a pic of kadaffi drinking daquiris in south america would have emerged? Obama.
Who deserves the credit when a US plane is ordered to shoot that entourage, and rebels are led to clean up the mess?
It's obama. Sorry, but he got shit on every inch of the way. He got a bad guy. just give him credit.
Oddly...the epic screw ups of this guy go unmentioned and ultimately defended by u bots.
Obama has done more to create havens for anti-American Muslims in the middle than any of the terrorist groups could have ever dreamed of.
Obama is single handedly helping to unite the middle east into a extremist muslim order. Lol.
Epic fail on his part.
Almost forgot about how Egypt is now demanding that we continue to give them money or theyll attack Israel.
Its official; the United States are now the Muslim Brotherhoods bitch.
Good Job on your foreign policy Barack, bang up job.
I agree that he should have stayed out of Libya... but he certainly didn't cause Iraq and I'm still asking what we did to Egypt? What did Obama have to do with what happened in Egypt in any way?
Obama has certainly fucked up plenty, but I don't think his foreign policy (aside from Libya) had anything to do with the Middle east being fucked up.
Obama kept calling for Mubarack to step down day after day remember? He also gave them 200 million dollars for their arab spring.
He did call for him to step down... but really did that have anything to do with what happened?
I don't recall what impact the money had... I thought he had already fled the country by then.
Obama was the spiritual leader of the movement for them. remember all the others in the ME screaming that obama had no idea the hornets nest he was stirring?
Obama and NATO Turn Libya, and a $30B Check, Over to Jihadists
Human Events ^ | JUly 24, 2011 | Tara Servatius
Posted on July 24, 2011 9:25:38 AM EDT by libstripper
How would Americans feel if they knew the Obama administration just agreed to hand people affiliated with a designated terrorist group a $30 billion dollar check and recognize them as the legitimate rulers of Libya?
Things weren’t looking so good for the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group back in 2004 when they were designated a foreign terrorist group by the State Department. In chilling testimony, then-CIA Director George Tenet warned the Senate Intelligence Committee in 2004 that even if Osama bin Laden's al-Qaeda was completely destroyed, “a global network of Islamic extremists bent on killing Americans had emerged.” Tenet listed the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG) as one of those groups.
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Bump
I too was and am still worried about this, but McCain says its not true... Why should I believe he's wrong?
Is the Senior Senator clueless?
Senator Barack Obama 12/20/207: “The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation.”
http://www.boston.com/news/politics/2008/specials/CandidateQA/ObamaQA/
BUMP for 240Thats not entirely true.
Thats not entirely true.I believe the Marine Corp takes it's orders directly from the President (whereas the rest of the Armed Forces receive them from Congress) for just this situation.
President can send U.S. armed forces into action abroad only by authorization of Congress or in case of "a national emergency created by attack upon the United States, its territories or possessions, or its armed forces."
The War Powers Resolution requires the President to notify Congress within 48 hours of committing armed forces to military action and forbids armed forces from remaining for more than 60 days, with a further 30 day withdrawal period, without an authorization of the use of military force or a declaration of war.
Obviously Obama knew that he could send troops in various situations without Congress as he has done so many times.Reagan did the same thing....TWICE....with Grenada and Panama
Reagan did the same thing....TWICE....with Grenada and Panama
Was he doing it to create a pan islamist global caliphate to collapse Israel and advance global Sharia like Obama is doing?
No.
Next.
Laughs you mean? :)
Oil prices have risen more than 25 percent since fighting began in mid-February.
there was a report on the news last night that gas prices in New Jersey are $1.50 per gallon in some places...I never thought I would see gas prices that low again in my lifetime.
THANKS OBAMA!!!!!!! 8)
True, but a dozen eggs now costs $683 in California. I read it on getbig.
But don't worry, he voted Barr. ::)
So I probably will vote dem. i'd love to see Obama choose a Wes Clark for a running mate, or a Jim Webb, possibly more likely, for strong military and defense credibility.My whole family - all Republicans - are voting Obama. i'm driving them to the station later - buying everyone dinner - making it a real family event.