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Good to see you posting on here the past few days.
Your knowledge and old time stories are a welcomed presence on this boad.
Thank you.
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Thank you... didn't think anyone gave a rats ass. ;D
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I like `em too Dave,but then again,I`m an old bastard! :(
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Good to see you posting on here the past few days.
Your knowledge and old time stories are a welcomed presence on this boad.
Thank you.
QFT :)
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Thank you... didn't think anyone gave a rats ass. ;D
Hell no Dave....I still have some PM's from you about stuff....you were definitely missed
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Thank you... didn't think anyone gave a rats ass. ;D
nah bro. your a wealth of knowledge and thats something that isnt seen much on this board.
good to have you back.
just curious. whats your opinion of this new mens physique division?
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I like `em too Dave,but then again,I`m an old bastard! :(
Same here.
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Flexingtonsteel, wes, Pellius (Phil) and Krankenstein thanks for all the well-wishes. I could never keep up with everyone’s changing screen names and gimmick accounts.
Krank I guess you used to post under a different name? What was it?
Thanks for all the welcomes guys. It’s nice to know someone enjoyed my old war stories.
Krank you asked me about the new men’s physique division. As far as standards for physiques I guess it’s cool but let me tell you why I never stepped on-stage after 1980 and never attend competitions. The last competition I attended (outside of the Iron Man Pro since I write for the mag) was when “The Coach” competed a few years ago.
The idea that my (or anyone competing) self acceptance is in the hands of mostly incompetent and often self-serving judges is beyond comprehension to me. I sat across the dinner table with two female judges after a competition here about 8 years ago and listened for an hour and a half while one of them went on and on about each competitor and how this one didn’t bow down and lick the shit out of her ass… so she scored him low and this other competitor had a bad attitude (I guess mirrors don’t exist in her world) so she scored her low…. on and on. Adding another division will never change THAT kind of unethical behavior.
I saw this happen at local shows in the late 70’s I watched it occur at shows in the 80’s and it happens today. I will never give anyone that kind of power over my self-existence. Taking cycles was fun and cool being huge and strong but I never got into bb to be… just big… or just strong. My parents were grossly overweight and my much older than my half-sister was morbidly obese and I was a skinny kid. I wanted a better body. That’s why I got into bb.
As you saw in the picture I posted today I achieved it and did it while I was off cycle. I don’t need a title or a judging panel for that. Women loved it enough to stuff money into my shorts, I got laid often and I had a great time. Today at 56 I LOVE to train and get guys walking past the trainers at the gym to come over and ask me training advice. I don’t consider myself that big anymore but I guess I still hold enough size to get some respect.
Even today I love the challenge of getting a rep more than last week or getting a pump or the nice soreness after a workout. I still like it when a young tender throws and admiring glance my way. Except today “young tender” include 40 year olds as well as the 20 something’s.
Ah the old dude rants on.
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Good to see you posting on here the past few days.
Your knowledge and old time stories are a welcomed presence on this boad.
Thank you.
Yea a good dude, maybe send us some old stories to makeup for Keith's loss in posting history of the game around here.
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As you saw in the picture I posted today I achieved it and did it while I was off cycle. I don’t need a title or a judging panel for that. Women loved it enough to stuff money into my shorts, I got laid often and I had a great time. Today at 56 I LOVE to train and get guys walking past the trainers at the gym to come over and ask me training advice. I don’t consider myself that big anymore but I guess I still hold enough size to get some respect.
Even today I love the challenge of getting a rep more than last week or getting a pump or the nice soreness after a workout. I still like it when a young tender throws and admiring glance my way. Except today “young tender” include 40 year olds as well as the 20 something’s.
So, what does your routine look like now as compared to a few years ago? What have you taken out, what have you kept in? Are there things you do now that you wish you would have done (or not done) years ago?
Where did you post your pic? (no homo)
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So, what does your routine look like now as compared to a few years ago? What have you taken out, what have you kept in? Are there things you do now that you wish you would have done (or not done) years ago?
Where did you post your pic? (no homo)
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As I said I was off-cycle for 9 months and even though I had been bigger and stronger, I never looked as good as this. It's not a contest body. It's a "That's what I always wanted to look like body".
Some judge would say well he needs more this or more that or less of this.
Today I train about 4 days a week instead of 5. I break my routine into 3 parts so on the fourth training day of the week, I'm doing the same workout that I did earlier in the week. That means each body part is getting hit 2 times in 8 days. That seems to work for me. Body parts get hit from 6 to 15 sets. I'll do set sets and build it up over about 4 weeks then back it down again. Rep patterns follow from 4 to 15 again cycling the high and low. If I'm doing low reps the reps are much slower. If I'm doing high reps it's much faster on the reps.
Occasionally I'll try a Crossfit or Performance type pf workout for the challenge but I have rotator cuff injuries, an ankle injury and asthma so I have to keep those within my own ability. I do walks outside or climb real stairs or ride a real bike for cardio 3-4 days a week.
You can also follow some of my training ideas and advice on my blog:
http://ironmanmagazine.com/blogs/fast-muscle-building-tips/outdoor-leg-and-cardio-routine.php?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+FastMuscleBuildingTips+%28Fast+Muscle+Building+Tips+by+David+Young%29&utm_content=FeedBurner
The stairs in the picture is in Palos Verdes, CA not too far from where Pellius and I used to train. To bad we really didn't know each other then. But we shared some of the same friends and places.
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The idea that my (or anyone competing) self acceptance is in the hands of mostly incompetent and often self-serving judges is beyond comprehension to me. I sat across the dinner table with two female judges after a competition here about 8 years ago and listened for an hour and a half while one of them went on and on about each competitor and how this one didn’t bow down and lick the shit out of her ass… so she scored him low and this other competitor had a bad attitude (I guess mirrors don’t exist in her world) so she scored her low…. on and on. Adding another division will never change THAT kind of unethical behavior.
I saw this happen at local shows in the late 70’s I watched it occur at shows in the 80’s and it happens today. I will never give anyone that kind of power over my self-existence. Taking cycles was fun and cool being huge and strong but I never got into bb to be… just big… or just strong. My parents were grossly overweight and my much older than my half-sister was morbidly obese and I was a skinny kid. I wanted a better body. That’s why I got into bb.
Finally someone that speaks the truth about this lousy "sport".
There is no such thing as fair competition when the sport is tainted with dirty judges.
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why do we haev judges?
why not crowd computerized vote?
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Too bad it's not just about crossing a finish line or catching a pass. You either cross the line before the other you don't. It's not someone's opinion, it's a fact (except of course in the case of a very close call).
Personally I'd rather just train with a top guy or lady than see them on-stage. I used to love challenging a training partner for reps or weight in the gym.
This may not be popular on here but I really do like the before and after transformation type stories. Seeing someone put their heart into something and get themselves in shape inspires me. I once trained with a 68 year old retired motorcycle cop. The guy put his heart and soul into his workouts. It was great.
I'll stand behind anyone who's willing to put in the work. THAT is bodybuilding. At least to me it is. Having a bunch of boobs tell someone that even though they did everything right, WE determine the winner because WE'VE been judging for X years is insanity. I'd like to body-slam some of them. Some of the judges are well-meaning and good people but the whole concept is flawed in my opinion.
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MaxRep,
I have a pretty good idea how you guys trained back in the day. Every bodypart twice a week and pretty good amount of volume.
But how did you guys eat? Offseason and Precontest.
Seemed like pre contest was pretty low carb all the way. But what did u guys do to grow?
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It was a lot of experimenting. Especially for me because I started skinny but as I said earlier my genetics were from obese parents. I’d gain weight and get to sloppy. Most guys at more carbs in the off-season but not a whole lot more. Guy’s like Mike Sable and the Mentzer’s suggested more carb’s but that didn’t work well for me. Rory had me eating more food than I could handle and I felt bloated and stuffed constantly. Vince Gironda had everyone eating a pound of red meat a day and a dozen eggs. John Brown said in a seminar he ate 3 pounds of meat a day. Dave Johns ate 3 dozen eggs a day (yuck) Essentially it was all over the map.
The most effective off season diet I ever followed was right out of Franco Columbo’s "Winning Bodybuilding". That plan allowed me to gain size while maintaining a reasonable degree of hardness. That’s how I was eating for the most part, during the nine months prior to that photo being taken. It's also how I ate off-season during the times I made the most progress. I would imagine that adding in cardio would have made that plan suitable right up to about 6 weeks before a competition. I could see altering it somewhat today (oatmeal instead of morning toast, etc.) would be a good way to go. Maybe take out the cheese tray that he suggested for the afternoon and replace it with a protein shake and oatmeal added in (off-season grow time).
I believe you need to adjust up or down every few weeks as needed. Look at your condition and determine it it's size or fat that your gaining and adjust. I just started making those adjustments again recently.
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good to see you posting again Max_rep
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It was a lot of experimenting. Especially for me because I started skinny but as I said earlier my genetics were from obese parents. I’d gain weight and get to sloppy. Most guys at more carbs in the off-season but not a whole lot more. Guy’s like Mike Sable and the Mentzer’s suggested more carb’s but that didn’t work well for me. Rory had me eating more food than I could handle and I felt bloated and stuffed constantly. Vince Gironda had everyone eating a pound of red meat a day and a dozen eggs. John Brown said in a seminar he ate 3 pounds of meat a day. Dave Johns ate 3 dozen eggs a day (yuck) Essentially it was all over the map.
The most effective off season diet I ever followed was right out of Franco Columbo’s "Winning Bodybuilding". That plan allowed me to gain size while maintaining a reasonable degree of hardness. That’s how I was eating for the most part, during the nine months prior to that photo being taken. It's also how I ate off-season during the times I made the most progress. I would imagine that adding in cardio would have made that plan suitable right up to about 6 weeks before a competition. I could see altering it somewhat today (oatmeal instead of morning toast, etc.) would be a good way to go. Maybe take out the cheese tray that he suggested for the afternoon and replace it with a protein shake and oatmeal added in (off-season grow time).
I believe you need to adjust up or down every few weeks as needed. Look at your condition and determine it it's size or fat that your gaining and adjust. I just started making those adjustments again recently.
what was the plan out of columbo's "winning bodybuilding"??
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I like `em too Dave,but then again,I`m an old bastard! :(
Thanks Tim... you have some very good advice yourself.
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what was the plan out of columbo's "winning bodybuilding"??
Stay tuned. I have to be somewhere but I'll post it tonight when I get back. I just realized that I had already altered it slightly but I have my notes.
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welcome back forever
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good to see you posting again Max_rep
Thanks newmom.
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what was the plan out of columbo's "winning bodybuilding"??
As I said earlier. I’ve tried every eating plan you could imagine. The most successful for me was trying to gain slowly by eating pretty clean and adjusting portion sizes and calories a little at a time. If I was gaining size and keeping my body fat in check I would go up a little but if I noticed my waist getting to big I’d back it down a little. The program I found to be most successful came out of Franco Columbo’s book “Winning Bodybuilding” but as you will see below I made a few adjustments that worked better for me. I often worked in restaurants so getting the food that fit my plan was pretty easy.
Franco’s Program
Breakfast
3 eggs
1 fresh fruit
Small dish yogurt with granola
Glass water
Lunch
Large Fresh vegetable Salad with Oil and Vinegar
Cooked Vegetable
Large portion broiled protein, fish chicken, steak or lamb.
Water or wine
Mid Afternoon
Large plate of imported cheeses
Fresh Fruit
Dinner
Same as lunch
Evening
Yogurt
My Variation of this was as follows:
Breakfast
2 Bran Muffins
6-8 egg whites 3 yolks
Essential Amino Acids
Fruit
Water
coffee
Lunch
Large Fresh vegetable Salad with Oil and Vinegar
Cooked Vegetable
Large portion broiled protein, fish chicken, steak or lamb.
Water or wine
Mid Afternoon
16 ounces of cottage cheese and fruit OR Protein drink
2 Rice Cakes with Peanut Butter and Fruit Only Jelly
Dinner
Same as lunch but with a baked potato 3 of 7 days (every day made me get too heavy).
Evening
Yogurt OR protein drink
If I was out clubbing sometimes I’d go to Fat Burger and get a Double Kingburger.
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As I said earlier. I’ve tried every eating plan you could imagine. The most successful for me was trying to gain slowly by eating pretty clean and adjusting portion sizes and calories a little at a time. If I was gaining size and keeping my body fat in check I would go up a little but if I noticed my waist getting to big I’d back it down a little. The program I found to be most successful came out of Franco Columbo’s book “Winning Bodybuilding” but as you will see below I made a few adjustments that worked better for me. I often worked in restaurants so getting the food that fit my plan was pretty easy.
Franco’s Program
Breakfast
3 eggs
1 fresh fruit
Small dish yogurt with granola
Glass water
Lunch
Large Fresh vegetable Salad with Oil and Vinegar
Cooked Vegetable
Large portion broiled protein, fish chicken, steak or lamb.
Water or wine
Mid Afternoon
Large plate of imported cheeses
Fresh Fruit
Dinner
Same as lunch
Evening
Yogurt
My Variation of this was as follows:
Breakfast
2 Bran Muffins
6-8 egg whites 3 yolks
Essential Amino Acids
Fruit
Water
coffee
Lunch
Large Fresh vegetable Salad with Oil and Vinegar
Cooked Vegetable
Large portion broiled protein, fish chicken, steak or lamb.
Water or wine
Mid Afternoon
16 ounces of cottage cheese and fruit OR Protein drink
2 Rice Cakes with Peanut Butter and Fruit Only Jelly
Dinner
Same as lunch but with a baked potato 3 of 7 days (every day made me get too heavy).
Evening
Yogurt OR protein drink
If I was out clubbing sometimes I’d go to Fat Burger and get a Double Kingburger.
looks pretty solid!
thanks alot.
i like to see how the guys back in the day ate!
its crazy now how guys nowadays eat sooooo much more then that and wonder why in the 70/80's no one had distended stomachs but now they do eating 6 or 7000 calories in the offseason and they look pregnant onstage and their stomachs are bursting out of their skin offstage.
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Never knew that you are so deep into bodybuilding Max_Rep.
Interesting insight.
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Naturalwonder83... thank you.
Bruce... a lot of people on here know my story. I was an amateur bodybuilder first way before I was a mod or a writer for Iron Man. I write from my experiences and not from a book (although I’ve read many). I was the training partner of several Pro's in the late 70's through the end of the 80's. That happened because I love to train hard and trust me I had to make up for my lack of genetic gifts. I have interviewed 2-3 dozen Pro's for Iron Man Magazine. Now at 56 I still love to train but am now clean and doing what I can at this age. I still train 4 days a week come hell or high water. Trust me I have about the worst genetics for bodybuilding of anyone who ever picked up a weight. Whatever little success I’ve had comes from passion and heart. I have never, ever, ever given up.
Flexingtonsteele. Ken Waller was a big eater as was his buddy Tony Nowak. There was a place all the bodybuilders went on Lincoln Ave in Westchester, CA. It was about 20 minutes from Gold's Gym and across the street from Loyola Marymount University. It was an all you can eat Smorgasbord place called the Swedish Inn. According to Danny Padilla, Ken and Tony got banned from the place for eating too much food.
Then there was Dinah’s on Sepulveda in Culver City. Every Monday night the place was packed with bodybuilders because it was all you can eat Fried Chicken night. We’d be waiting outside talking to Roger Collard, Dave Dupree, Larry Jackson and many others.
Then there was “The Omelet Parlor” on Main St., in Santa Monica just down the street in between Gold’s Gym and World Gym. They had an Omelet called “Arnold’s Favorite”. I don’t remember what was in it because I chose something different.
So get to the point Max_Rep!
Okay, okay… here’s my point. off-season many of the guys just ate a well balanced diet of Protien, complex carbs and vegetables. They’d limit bread and sugar consumption and eat pretty clean. They knew to eat 4-5-6 times a day. Some like Larry Scott, Sergio and Casey were heavily into Blair’s Milk and Egg Protein mixed with Heavy Cream or Half and Half. Rheo Blair had people sipping this all day long even during workouts with good results. I used it myself and got good results. Scott often said he used 2 full cups of the powder every day.
My guess is that with the exception of the added heavy cream for those who used it, most of the bigger Pro’s were in the 4000 to 4,500 calorie a day range. If they needed more calories they’d add in natural peanut butter.
The diet I listed was one that I found to be effective for me just out of lots of trial and error. Guy’s back then did it backwards from what is practiced today. They experimented, found what worked and then let someone figure out the science involved in what they were doing. Let’s call it “empirical evidence’.
When I trained under Rory’s guidance he wanted me to eat like 7000 calories a day. By the need of the day I’d be stuffed and still have two large meals to go when I was ready for bed. I couldn’t do it. Off-season Rory was real puffy but somehow still managed to have a small waist. The guy was a freak.
Today they seem to look for the science to tell them what to do before they do it. I guess they feel that’s more efficient. The problem is that theory doesn’t always translate into reality.
Max_Rep – the Nonsensical Ranting of a Warped Mind
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Max is a great gent.....good to see him back @ getbig!