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this week we will talk about anything to do with delts,,i will answer question involving delts ,,how to get them big,,how to get them round,,how they get flat looking and not tri dimentional,, how to avoid it ,,how to create illusion of width via delts,,how to decrease bodyfat yet not! lose delt volume because htis is mistaken of many up and comers that the poor air brushers fix all the time but real life is no magazine friends,, anyway i will talk this coming week on everything to do with the delts,, everything hormone related including training,, every question in regard to delt put here ,,no need pm question just put it here,, if no question put i will just put a lecture in the begining of next week ,,if many question asked i will just answer and develop as it goes,,
we start with delts,, every week diff bodypart and how to develop it right with hormone to competition level ,,and for quality look that also have quantityfor not to forget you as bodybuilder look FOR BOTH quality and quantity ,,the winner is the one who bring combination of both,, yet still maining the size of muscle via water and fat from the inside of the muscle is important in the endevour to become mark dugdildo delt size in comparing to local amatuer,,
so as i said this is delt week ,,next 7 days
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Hi GH, your opinion on the best delt exercise for a natty?
thanks
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GH,
In your opinion what are the top 5 exercises for delts? Thanks.
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Hi GH, your opinion on the best delt exercise for a natty?
thanks
well,, true natural and delt development is not something you see in one sentence,, simply put this is the part that natural have the hardest time to develop ,,never get thick for true naturals,,no matter what they do ,,also the width eventhough genetic depentend and wether you are sloppy or not when it come to delts like arnold had the slop so made him appear narrower,,,or fellas like jason or german marcus will appear wider due to the way the delts are,, but! the width also can hardly chnage for true natural,, this is the curse of the true natural and why you can immediatly see the diff between hormonized and true natural if understand hormones ,,
still! natural can develop delts to a point,,will never look good when turning side ways,,will dissapear in most cases,, but! the best exercise to grow the delt for natural is the hammer machine,, it also is the best for hormonized,,
first thing that bodybuild lose when go leaner is DELT,,this is first thing advanced! bodybuild lose,,bodybuild shoudl take into consideration this fact,,and before going lean should have enough muscle in delt so he stay with good size delt that later can be enhanced via more hormones ,,when lean enough,, but in general the first thing hormonized and ofcourse natural lose,,natural dont have any to begin with ,,is delt size,,even if you think its arm and leg ,,its not ,,it is ALWAYS delt ,,and you can see it first thing when you get into the sub 8 with the mesurement around your delts all around the body from delt to delt 360 with tape mesurment,,it will always lose some size,,if done right it will get back to this size when later on going on quick specific blits of specific hormones,,
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GH,
In your opinion what are the top 5 exercises for delts? Thanks.
heavy hammer
barbel more for begginers unlike what fellas will tell you the barbel is more for begginers,,the hammer is more for advance where you can put mega weight and do it strict and avoid injurys
slaterals with dumbel or machine,, interchange from session to session
rear delt on the fly machine always fly machine or cable
traps with heavy dumbells
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also ,,when i say never get thick for true natural ,,i mean thick at mid single digit bodyfat,,anyone can have thick delt when they are 20% bodyfat,,its not thick ...its fat,, thick in bodybuild is very diff than fat,, eventhough in americana they like to call fat fellas thick or big inorder to not embaress many of them ,,in reailty thick and fat is 2 very diff things,, thick involving more water from within the muscle that sits right with some fat inside the muscle and the skin is pretty thin on top of it ,,this is also the fellas that usually will be described as CHUNKY unlike chubby,,
fat...is the ones who usualy have low muscle or lots of fat inbetween the muscle and skin ,,as in folds...folds like accordion ,,like what trey brower has on his mid section right now,, this is fat,,when it drops in folds under the belt even when standing,,when it looks like it hang there like dead jello,,this is what fat is ...death,,ofcourse fat is good to some degree when you try to grow...but when i talk fat i mean 6-10% not 18-25%
big diff between the 2
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Great info.
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gh15 do you think site injecting your delts causes local growth.
also what is your take on synthol. it seems nasser used synthol in his ;)
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Dear god, here are your guidelines for arm training:
4) work heavy but only as heavy as you can go correctly! work to failure! it might be 12 reps or 9 reps or 6 reps as long as muscle fails.
5) 2 sets each exercise/ 3exercises bicep ans 3exercises triceps. all 6 done in the same workout session.
6) i suggest following routine: monday-arms/tuesday-legs/wed off/thursday-back/friday-chest and shoulders/ sat-sun off
So, do you recommend the same protocol for delts? 2 heavy work sets of 3 exercises?
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hammer curls?
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You had stated previous in the bible that equipona is what gave the roundness of the delts. How can a specific compound have more of a specific effect on a specific muscle than another compound? Why doesn't trenbolona or testosterona effect the delts as much as equipona?
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You had stated previous in the bible that equipona is what gave the roundness of the delts. How can a specific compound have more of a specific effect on a specific muscle than another compound? Why doesn't trenbolona or testosterona effect the delts as much as equipona?
good friggin` question my friend?
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(http://www.packrat-toyz.com/images/nytt/Himmler%2003.jpg)
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hammer curls?
No, he meant on a Hammerstrength machine.
(http://www.theloseweightdiet.com/blog/wp-content/themes/anthurium/images/hsshoulderpress.gif)
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this week we will talk about anything to do with delts,,i will answer question involving delts ,,how to get them big,,how to get them round,,how they get flat looking and not tri dimentional,, how to avoid it ,,how to create illusion of width via delts,,how to decrease bodyfat yet not! lose delt volume because htis is mistaken of many up and comers that the poor air brushers fix all the time but real life is no magazine friends,, anyway i will talk this coming week on everything to do with the delts,, everything hormone related including training,, every question in regard to delt put here ,,no need pm question just put it here,, if no question put i will just put a lecture in the begining of next week ,,if many question asked i will just answer and develop as it goes,,
we start with delts,, every week diff bodypart and how to develop it right with hormone to competition level ,,and for quality look that also have quantityfor not to forget you as bodybuilder look FOR BOTH quality and quantity ,,the winner is the one who bring combination of both,, yet still maining the size of muscle via water and fat from the inside of the muscle is important in the endevour to become mark dugdildo delt size in comparing to local amatuer,,
so as i said this is delt week ,,next 7 days
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Can't wait until quad and lat week though I'll understand if you skip over calves.
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GH15...with all the rowing and work that rear delts get through the course of Back training, is it a necessity to do specific Rear Delt exercises? I do notice that beginning with rear delt relieves some of the pain in any Side, or Frontal injury sites when doing presses later, but are they otherwise important?
Ps. I'm a new, but dedicated reader of your "advices." Thanks...from an old Adriatic beach walker!
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seated chest press machine,if i leaned forward a little bit is the movement will be similar to hammer machine?
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I think great delts are the sexiest thing (if they are big) on a man
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No, he meant on a Hammerstrength machine.
(http://www.theloseweightdiet.com/blog/wp-content/themes/anthurium/images/hsshoulderpress.gif)
Haha we just got one of those in our gym, havent seen anyone use the seatbelt yet though
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i asked markus about delt development
and he said : heavy side laterals are the key, and he said 70lbs is not that heavy for him
he was no 1 in this department, so he has to know
even better than dillet
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i asked markus about delt development
and he said : heavy side laterals are the key, and he said 70lbs is not that heavy for him
he was no 1 in this department, so he has to know
even better than dillet
oh brother ::) Laterals are all fine and dandy but it's funny how he forgets to mention how he cruises on 3 grams of test. Funny how he forgot to mention he hasn't been below 15iu of gh in over a decade, uses more trenbolona than a whole farm of cattle, and let's not discuss the insulin :D
Now time for a Serious question for gh15. What is it today that is getting these guys with narrow clavacles actually WIDE? In the old days, if you were narrow you were always narrow 21 inch arms or not. Now you have guys like Phil, who are actually creating the illusion of width who were so narrow naturally, that they would probably dissapear if they lost the muscle.. I'm guessing insulin every meal?
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oh brother ::) Laterals are all fine and dandy but it's funny how he forgets to mention how he cruises on 3 grams of test. Funny how he forgot to mention he hasn't been below 15iu of gh in over a decade, uses more trenbolona than a whole farm of cattle, and let's not discuss the insulin :D
Now time for a Serious question for gh15. What is it today that is getting these guys with narrow clavacles actually WIDE? In the old days, if you were narrow you were always narrow 21 inch arms or not. Now you have guys like Phil, who are actually creating the illusion of width who were so narrow naturally, that they would probably dissapear if they lost the muscle.. I'm guessing insulin every meal?
you are 100% correct abot the juice aspect - BUT jay cutler does exactly the same and his delts are much MUCH smaler
drugs are most important in BB but training makes the difference
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you are 100% correct abot the juice aspect - BUT jay cutler does exactly the same and his delts are much MUCH smaler
drugs are most important in BB but training makes the difference
I personally feel Markhus was a little less consevative when it came to androgens. Look at his face he look 60. Jay looks pretty young and healthy.
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i asked markus about delt development
and he said : heavy side laterals are the key, and he said 70lbs is not that heavy for him
he was no 1 in this department, so he has to know
even better than dillet
I can use 60lbs so 70's would be a breeze for him.
DB pressing and BB pressing essential IMO
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Haha we just got one of those in our gym, havent seen anyone use the seatbelt yet though
Apart from the free weights my gym is filled with Chinese crap. Only a few gyms here have HS stuff.
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I can't really get a good burn in my side delts no matter what. Can you help me get a burn, God?
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We have mostly Hammer strength stuff, very well equiped gym
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I can't really get a good burn in my side delts no matter what. Can you help me get a burn, God?
try 50-100 reps
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oh brother ::) Laterals are all fine and dandy but it's funny how he forgets to mention how he cruises on 3 grams of test. Funny how he forgot to mention he hasn't been below 15iu of gh in over a decade, uses more trenbolona than a whole farm of cattle, and let's not discuss the insulin :D
Now time for a Serious question for gh15. What is it today that is getting these guys with narrow clavacles actually WIDE? In the old days, if you were narrow you were always narrow 21 inch arms or not. Now you have guys like Phil, who are actually creating the illusion of width who were so narrow naturally, that they would probably dissapear if they lost the muscle.. I'm guessing insulin every meal?
Here comes flinstones1 the pretender regurgitating things that people with status have said to try to imitate them.
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Dear god, here are your guidelines for arm training:
4) work heavy but only as heavy as you can go correctly! work to failure! it might be 12 reps or 9 reps or 6 reps as long as muscle fails.
5) 2 sets each exercise/ 3exercises bicep ans 3exercises triceps. all 6 done in the same workout session.
6) i suggest following routine: monday-arms/tuesday-legs/wed off/thursday-back/friday-chest and shoulders/ sat-sun off
So, do you recommend the same protocol for delts? 2 heavy work sets of 3 exercises?
Why ask when your not gonna listen and continue to do your same crappy workout...
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Now time for a Serious question for gh15. What is it today that is getting these guys with narrow clavacles actually WIDE? In the old days, if you were narrow you were always narrow 21 inch arms or not. Now you have guys like Phil, who are actually creating the illusion of width who were so narrow naturally, that they would probably dissapear if they lost the muscle.. I'm guessing insulin every meal?
gh15 has earlier stated that it's because of GH (and insulin). GH lets you change your genetics in a way that AAS can't do (in itself).
the GH lets you add new muscle fibers so while a 70s bodybuilder could only blow up his existing muscle fibers via AAS the current generation of bodybuilders can transform himself in a way that was not possible before massive GH use was introduced into bodybuilding. I guess this is also one reason as to why todays bodybuilders pretty much all have the same look (=GH works as an equalizer).
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I can't really get a good burn in my side delts no matter what. Can you help me get a burn, God?
jesus if theres something that gives you a goddamned hellish burn it is side laterals, have you ever trained?
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well,, true natural and delt development is not something you see in one sentence,, simply put this is the part that natural have the hardest time to develop ,,never get thick for true naturals,,no matter what they do ,,also the width eventhough genetic depentend and wether you are sloppy or not when it come to delts like arnold had the slop so made him appear narrower,,,or fellas like jason or german marcus will appear wider due to the way the delts are,, but! the width also can hardly chnage for true natural,, this is the curse of the true natural and why you can immediatly see the diff between hormonized and true natural if understand hormones ,,
still! natural can develop delts to a point,,will never look good when turning side ways,,will dissapear in most cases,, but! the best exercise to grow the delt for natural is the hammer machine,, it also is the best for hormonized,,
first thing that bodybuild lose when go leaner is DELT,,this is first thing advanced! bodybuild lose,,bodybuild shoudl take into consideration this fact,,and before going lean should have enough muscle in delt so he stay with good size delt that later can be enhanced via more hormones ,,when lean enough,, but in general the first thing hormonized and ofcourse natural lose,,natural dont have any to begin with ,,is delt size,,even if you think its arm and leg ,,its not ,,it is ALWAYS delt ,,and you can see it first thing when you get into the sub 8 with the mesurement around your delts all around the body from delt to delt 360 with tape mesurment,,it will always lose some size,,if done right it will get back to this size when later on going on quick specific blits of specific hormones,,
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I THINK IT'S ALS0 A GENETIC THING. EVERY0NE IN MY FAMILY HAS HUGE DELTS BUT LACK IN 0THER MUSCLE GR0UPS. IT'S AN EASTERN EUR0PEAN PRED0MINATLY RUSSIAN TRAIT. IN THE STATES THERE ARE ALM0ST N0 EASTERN EUR0PEANS S0 ALL THE 0BSERVATI0N IS D0NE BY L00KING AT 0THER ETHNIC GR0UPS.
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Here comes flinstones1 the pretender regurgitating things that people with status have said to try to imitate them.
I'm no pretender bitch. :-* Grow some balls and post under your real account scarletnight!
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No, he meant on a Hammerstrength machine.
(http://www.theloseweightdiet.com/blog/wp-content/themes/anthurium/images/hsshoulderpress.gif)
yea its good for a change up but keep using it and it makes you weak whan you go back to db presses
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I THINK IT'S ALS0 A GENETIC THING. EVERY0NE IN MY FAMILY HAS HUGE DELTS BUT LACK IN 0THER MUSCLE GR0UPS. IT'S AN EASTERN EUR0PEAN PRED0MINATLY RUSSIAN TRAIT. IN THE STATES THERE ARE ALM0ST N0 EASTERN EUR0PEANS S0 ALL THE 0BSERVATI0N IS D0NE BY L00KING AT 0THER ETHNIC GR0UPS.
That's true...I have Russian blood as well and my delts are insanely huge and thick....they are also perfectly shaped.
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Why ask when your not gonna listen and continue to do your same crappy workout...
Because GH15 agreed with something he said once...so now he thinks they are BFFs and will suck his cock until the end of time.
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yea its good for a change up but keep using it and it makes you weak whan you go back to db presses
Agree, that's because free weights require stabilisation work. Apart from this I believe FW movements are more 'natural' for the joints, esp in the shoulder area.
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Because GH15 agreed with something he said once...so now he thinks they are BFFs and will suck his cock until the end of time.
Maybe he should have gh give him a stack so he could get himself to a whopping 165lbs :o
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what about Behind-the-Neck Smith machine presses (or even frontwards)
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Maybe he should have gh give him a stack so he could get himself to a whopping 165lbs :o
Yes that's a good idea. My only concern is since DJ is missing a leg, would it be safe for him to take gear?
What if he does a bad shot and his other leg gets infected.....he could wind up a double-amputee :o
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it worked to build the best pair of delts to walk the earth!
Maryland Muscle Machine! :)
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Yes that's a good idea. My only concern is since DJ is missing a leg, would it be safe for him to take gear?
What if he does a bad shot and his other leg gets infected.....he could wind up a double-amputee :o
No biggie,he doesn't work his legs anyway...
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No biggie,he doesn't work his legs anyway...
Calvin....you wouldn't be implying that DJ "accidentally" loses control of his wheelchair and drives his mouth right onto men's cocks.....would you?
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The training suggestions makes sense but as far as the multiple shots per day for something like gh, do you have to worry about the scar tissue from sticking yourself with a slin pin 5x a day everyday for 3 months assuming you are trying to undergo mutation. Also why would anyone pin their shoulders with SEO????
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Delts are one of my few good bodyparts!
Presently I`m writing an article that I`m gonna` submit to Iron Man Magazine in the hopes that they publish it.......they have published some of my stuff in the past.
The routine I`m gonna` outline is very unorthodox,uses seldom seen exercises,and is a fucking monster pain wise.
I`ll add in a few other shoulder scenarios that I`ve found work well over the years too.
These pics are ancient (2001) and my delts look much better now..............no more moustache either.....sporting a goatee` now,shooting for that suave,cultured,dignified, distinguished look ;D
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In my humble opinion,most Hammer Strength machines blow dead cats!!
Some are great........most suck.
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Calvin....you wouldn't be implying that DJ "accidentally" loses control of his wheelchair and drives his mouth right onto men's cocks.....would you?
I'm saying dj's wheelchair has a GPS that is programed to the mens locker room of every gym in town.
his opening line is "hey guys I bet your cock is bigger then my arms.why don't you pull down your pants and lets compare"
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Groink and Clavin.................. running on a wild boot dj in the ass rampage. ;D
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Groink and Clavin.................. running on a wild boot dj in the ass rampage. ;D
wes are you saying dj's stage 3 program is actually.
1.get guy to pull down his pants
2.go down on guy
3.get his protien straight from the tap
???
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wes are you saying dj's stage 3 program is actually.
1.get guy to pull down his pants
2.go down on guy
3.get his protien straight from the tap
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Why yes,that is precisely what I was implying Clavin !! LOL ;D
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Time W. Looking outstanding ....damn dude
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Thanks Groink.
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Time W. Looking outstanding ....damn dude
x2. Lean, muscular & tanned. An awesome build at any age.
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x2. Lean, muscular & tanned. An awesome build at any age.
Thank you sir,much appreciated.
That was then,(2001) and I`m a lot older now, but my plan is to exceed that condition if possible.......... or die trying. :)
I`m on a mission from God.
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dumbell press
dumbell laterals
rear delts on the pulleys
... substitute options... machine laterals and upright rows
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Delts is genetic. Look at Arnold, was a walking pharmacy, yet his delts were non exstant.
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In my humble opinion,most Hammer Strength machines blow dead cats!!
Some are great........most suck.
Most do. The shoulder one GH15 alludes to I also think is awful. Ever used the hammer seated calf machine? HORRIBLE.
Anyway WES, great build. Can you mention some of the shoulder exercises that you're going to send to the magazine? I'm interested in different shoulder exercises.
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In my humble opinion,most Hammer Strength machines blow dead cats!!
Some are great........most suck.
MY FAV0RITE IS WIDE MILITARY PRESS STANDING 0F C0URSE.
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I JUST DO SIDE LATERAL RAISES AND WIDE GRIP UPRIGHT ROWS. I LOVE MY DELTS. I DONT DO OVERHEAD PRESSES AT ALL.
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Where's Big Dicked Bob? he has been praising upright fucking rows for weeks, we need his opinion here!
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Most do. The shoulder one GH15 alludes to I also think is awful. Ever used the hammer seated calf machine? HORRIBLE.
Anyway WES, great build. Can you mention some of the shoulder exercises that you're going to send to the magazine? I'm interested in different shoulder exercises.
Thank you.
I`ll Pm you some of them bro..................... hate to post before they reject my article!! LOL :)
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Hammer seated calf plain old sux ass.
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Dear god, here are your guidelines for arm training:
4) work heavy but only as heavy as you can go correctly! work to failure! it might be 12 reps or 9 reps or 6 reps as long as muscle fails.
5) 2 sets each exercise/ 3exercises bicep ans 3exercises triceps. all 6 done in the same workout session.
6) i suggest following routine: monday-arms/tuesday-legs/wed off/thursday-back/friday-chest and shoulders/ sat-sun off
So, do you recommend the same protocol for delts? 2 heavy work sets of 3 exercises?
I'm sure he will confirm this when it's arm week !!!
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gh15 do you think site injecting your delts causes local growth.
also what is your take on synthol. it seems nasser used synthol in his ;)
there is no site growth for delt aside from the usage of igf 1 directly to delt,,not lr3 but igf1 ,,seo is good foro artificial growth if used corectly,, the growth with delts comes from water within the muscle that is a result of usage of specific hormones together when already lean,,nothing to do with heavy weight movements or exercises persay
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there is no site growth for delt aside from the usage of igf 1 directly to delt,,not lr3 but igf1 ,,seo is good foro artificial growth if used corectly,, the growth with delts comes from water within the muscle that is a result of usage of specific hormones together when already lean,,nothing to do with heavy weight movements or exercises persay
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then why bother training at all?
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I only ever do heavy laterals for shoulders and my delts are one of my better bodyparts.
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then why bother training at all?
im too busy with some whore gettign naked on cam for me right now for god knows why,,
training is to stimulate the muscle ofcourse,,i keep say no training no bodybuild gains no matter how much drug you take,,you will gain but not BODYBUILDING gains,,training specific bodypart like delt though has a lot less to do with how the delt look at the final end of thing,s,it is more hormones ,,it is actualy all hormones,,
just to give you example of a life of bodybuildr,, i sit right now with pineapple juice in glass ..into this pine apple juice i put 50mg dianabol liquid ...and i eat my jamaican with it ,,all while watching whore getting naked and masterbating because she liked muscle,,the fact i dont do a thing and just watch her while eating and drinking dianabol mean im a homo,,but i wil make her do it again when horny
bodybuild first
whores second
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I only ever do heavy laterals for shoulders and my delts are one of my better bodyparts.
thats because trainig delts really has nothing to do with how they lok at the end,, you can be much stronger but if not having right compound in blood and if not blowing from the inside out ..you will just look like another local who compete,, the blow up from within while WHILE getting in condition and quality ,,doing both! is what seperate the top from the local,,they all bodybuild,,many of both groups are good bodybuid and look quite impressive,,but the combo is the combo and thats what put one at the top
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You had stated previous in the bible that equipona is what gave the roundness of the delts. How can a specific compound have more of a specific effect on a specific muscle than another compound? Why doesn't trenbolona or testosterona effect the delts as much as equipona?
equipona/nandrolona is the prime for the aas,,you use them together or after priming the body with hgh ,,testosterona then added for the blow up to get into new dimentions,,trenbolona in this stage should be avoided,,it shoudl added later on to sculpt an already mutation in process but to begin with when try to get as wide as possible you do not use the trenbolona you also try to avoid masterona and anti estrogen as much as possible ,,
not to forget! trenbolona will work against width !,,it will work on thicknening ,,hardening ,,densing ,,an already large physiqe or physiqe in process of getting more lean muscle on it ,,but when it come to width and creating it to begin with ...as in water from the inside of the delt and over all muscle push from the inside out....you avoid the trenbolona ,,its all timing
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GH15...with all the rowing and work that rear delts get through the course of Back training, is it a necessity to do specific Rear Delt exercises? I do notice that beginning with rear delt relieves some of the pain in any Side, or Frontal injury sites when doing presses later, but are they otherwise important?
Ps. I'm a new, but dedicated reader of your "advices." Thanks...from an old Adriatic beach walker!
ofcourse rear delt is important,,it need to be worked on ,,but what wil bring it to be seen from the front like bodybuild want,,since bodybuiold want his rear delt to be seen when he stand front.... what bring it is hormones and bodyfat ,,mainly hormones.. not training
the 3 dimentional look is a direct result of consistant hormonal usage
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oh brother ::) Laterals are all fine and dandy but it's funny how he forgets to mention how he cruises on 3 grams of test. Funny how he forgot to mention he hasn't been below 15iu of gh in over a decade, uses more trenbolona than a whole farm of cattle, and let's not discuss the insulin :D
Now time for a Serious question for gh15. What is it today that is getting these guys with narrow clavacles actually WIDE? In the old days, if you were narrow you were always narrow 21 inch arms or not. Now you have guys like Phil, who are actually creating the illusion of width who were so narrow naturally, that they would probably dissapear if they lost the muscle.. I'm guessing insulin every meal?
you guess right,,
bodybuild discover sooneer or later,, that no omatter what he do ...after sitting at 6% it is very very hard for the bodybuild to gain fat,,he really need to be off gh and just pound junk food...most bodybuild only gain water,,,after bodybuild discover this secret when he arive at 6% 200lb and try to get bigger and does dianabola,,and testosteona higher doses,, and eqipona and nandrolona and trenbolona high doses,, and every thign he can imagine,,after he sees that....and try this...and see the gains go to 10lb or so and stop,,yet really nothing to write home aboutin size gain that is substantial,,,after he sees that in picture of him taken since bodybuild is addicted to take pic every day so he knows what he look like...
after recognizing that no matter what he do ,,even after increasing calories and eating junk icecream and jamaica and german ,,no omatter what he does when he is 6% he only improve his condition even on very aromatizing products....he discover that the over all increase in hormones only contribute to increase lean mass while decreasing bodyfat and bring better condition while the weight go up slowly to the 205 210 etc...THATS! when he has his little fairy tail on teh shoulder saying to him ....
hey max...you been doign all this shit and taking so much legit hormones...and you gain muscle but mainly you see the condition get better and you look sharper and tighter...how do you bring yourself to the big boys level max...? well...max is thnking a little and then say SHIT it is the insulina that will gt me there..since no matter what i do i cant gain fat im a walking fat burning machine on gh and hormones and i just seem to improve condition and not gain fat ...so our friend max...cross the road to walmart americana and ask for a vial of humulin....and then 6 months down the road you see him in the gym but insted of his 210 lb 32 inch waist...he is not 235lb 35 inch waist...but look like he has 32 inch waist because he got so much damn extra water and fat from within the muscle ,,,
so while inside he is getting fat ,,inthe muscle ...all americana chunky chunk....on the OUTSIDE! he remain same good ole 6-8% and to the girls he become huge and king of all kings and sudenly our friend max hear every geezer in the gym asking him if he is doing the nationals this year....
life of bodybuild 2011 my friends
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The training suggestions makes sense but as far as the multiple shots per day for something like gh, do you have to worry about the scar tissue from sticking yourself with a slin pin 5x a day everyday for 3 months assuming you are trying to undergo mutation. Also why would anyone pin their shoulders with SEO????
no scar tissue will absord everything into blood,,may take little longer but not somethign significant,, seo is done when the bodybuild go low bodyfat and think he maxed his growth because he cant get anymore size of bodypart no matter what he takes,,then he turn to seo and if done corectly and not abused it can add what bodybuild look for ,,
gh15 approved
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im too busy with some whore gettign naked on cam for me right now for god knows why,,
training is to stimulate the muscle ofcourse,,i keep say no training no bodybuild gains no matter how much drug you take,,you will gain but not BODYBUILDING gains,,training specific bodypart like delt though has a lot less to do with how the delt look at the final end of thing,s,it is more hormones ,,it is actualy all hormones,,
just to give you example of a life of bodybuildr,, i sit right now with pineapple juice in glass ..into this pine apple juice i put 50mg dianabol liquid ...and i eat my jamaican with it ,,all while watching whore getting naked and masterbating because she liked muscle,,the fact i dont do a thing and just watch her while eating and drinking dianabol mean im a homo,,but i wil make her do it again when horny
bodybuild first
whores second
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Brother that should be your extended tagline right there. Brilliant.
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theres nothing first before ron the prophet of getbig, he who received devine revelations through getbig. everything that a person states before him the prophet of getbig should have his head cut off to burn in the neverending flames of fire.
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im too busy with some whore gettign naked on cam for me right now for god knows why,,
training is to stimulate the muscle ofcourse,,i keep say no training no bodybuild gains no matter how much drug you take,,you will gain but not BODYBUILDING gains,,training specific bodypart like delt though has a lot less to do with how the delt look at the final end of thing,s,it is more hormones ,,it is actualy all hormones,,
just to give you example of a life of bodybuildr,, i sit right now with pineapple juice in glass ..into this pine apple juice i put 50mg dianabol liquid ...and i eat my jamaican with it ,,all while watching whore getting naked and masterbating because she liked muscle,,the fact i dont do a thing and just watch her while eating and drinking dianabol mean im a homo,,but i wil make her do it again when horny
bodybuild first
whores second
gh15 approved
That`s really a fucking weird coincidence bro.......I am doing the exact same thing!!
Small fucking world ain`t it? LOL ;D
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So the synopsis of this thread = do tons of gear and GH and very little direct delt training and masturbate furiosly while drinking pineapple juice.
I hope my article will be a bit more informative.
No offense gh15,I love most of your stuff as a rule but this one is dogshit.
Carry on!!
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There is no delt or trap development to speak of without hormones. I'm speaking in bodybuilding terms, there is no round delt and "big" traps without hormones period. I have watched true naturals train for decades and not a single one of them has any trap or delt development to speak of. A few have pretty good quads, when sitting at 12%+ body fat but even that goes away to a large extent if they decide to lean out.
Put a true natural on a tiny dosage of dbol, say 20mg, and what happens? Suddenly the delts starts looking rounder and it's as if their clavicles got wider, and traps gain size. Even if they are poor responders overall and don't have the fibers to gain much arm size etc, they usually show results in the trap/delt area.
That's one way you can spot a juicer a mile away.
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There is no delt or trap development to speak of without hormones. I'm speaking in bodybuilding terms, there is no round delt and "big" traps without hormones period. I have watched true naturals train for decades and not a single one of them has any trap or delt development to speak of. A few have pretty good quads, when sitting at 12%+ body fat but even that goes away to a large extent if they decide to lean out.
Put a true natural on a tiny dosage of dbol, say 20mg, and what happens? Suddenly the delts starts looking rounder and it's as if their clavicles got wider, and traps gain size. Even if they are poor responders overall and don't have the fibers to gain much arm size etc, they usually show results in the trap/delt area.
That's one way you can spot a juicer a mile away.
Very true in a lot of cases Van,but if you know how to "learn" or "teach" your lateral heads to do the brunt of the work,you`ll get rounder delts.
Just look at Skippy LaCour as the perfect example!! ;D
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Another thing,too many people rely on back training for rear delt development....I recommend 6 sets for rear delts arms wide and instead of throwing the DB`s around,act like there are pads on your elbows like the ones on some machines and "push" back those pads instead of pulling.........of course you will still be pulling the bells up,but my example helps to develop a good mind/muscle connection which is sorely lacking in most peoples rear delt training.........they never get that shelf like appearance because they aren`t properly stimulating/isolating the area.
Some guys bent-over laterals look like DB Rows which is wrong.
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I did my share of roids and they help immensely tjhough I`m a sucky responder but training correctly is impoirtant and shoulkd not be downplayed by fucks who solely rely on juice,train like fags,and eat like the average silly fuck walking the streets.
Sage advice here so take fucking notes and thank me later "O deltless ones"!! ;D
Hey,I`m answering my own posts..............as usual,I`m the only one that listens to me!! :)
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There is no delt or trap development to speak of without hormones. I'm speaking in bodybuilding terms, there is no round delt and "big" traps without hormones period. I have watched true naturals train for decades and not a single one of them has any trap or delt development to speak of. A few have pretty good quads, when sitting at 12%+ body fat but even that goes away to a large extent if they decide to lean out.
Put a true natural on a tiny dosage of dbol, say 20mg, and what happens? Suddenly the delts starts looking rounder and it's as if their clavicles got wider, and traps gain size. Even if they are poor responders overall and don't have the fibers to gain much arm size etc, they usually show results in the trap/delt area.
That's one way you can spot a juicer a mile away.
Why do you think that is bro ? I have seen guys say its cos theres huge amounts of androgen recepters in the arm/delt/trap area to it just being glycogen and intramuscular water just filling these areas out more so - but whats your take on it ?
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gh15,
What about Behind-the-Neck Smith machine presses like levrone recommends
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There is no delt or trap development to speak of without hormones. I'm speaking in bodybuilding terms, there is no round delt and "big" traps without hormones period. I have watched true naturals train for decades and not a single one of them has any trap or delt development to speak of. A few have pretty good quads, when sitting at 12%+ body fat but even that goes away to a large extent if they decide to lean out.
Put a true natural on a tiny dosage of dbol, say 20mg, and what happens? Suddenly the delts starts looking rounder and it's as if their clavicles got wider, and traps gain size. Even if they are poor responders overall and don't have the fibers to gain much arm size etc, they usually show results in the trap/delt area.
That's one way you can spot a juicer a mile away.
couldnt have said it better,,,, the truth right here!!!!
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There is no delt or trap development to speak of without hormones. I'm speaking in bodybuilding terms, there is no round delt and "big" traps without hormones period. I have watched true naturals train for decades and not a single one of them has any trap or delt development to speak of. A few have pretty good quads, when sitting at 12%+ body fat but even that goes away to a large extent if they decide to lean out.
Put a true natural on a tiny dosage of dbol, say 20mg, and what happens? Suddenly the delts starts looking rounder and it's as if their clavicles got wider, and traps gain size. Even if they are poor responders overall and don't have the fibers to gain much arm size etc, they usually show results in the trap/delt area.
That's one way you can spot a juicer a mile away.
ITS BECAUSE ANDROGEN RECEPTORS ARE IN YOUR TRAP/DELT AREA MAINLY. SO IF U RESPOND LIKE SHIT, IT'LL JUST GO THERE. YOU'LL HAVE THAT CAPPED, WHOLESOME LOOK. FIRST PLACE I NOTICED IT ONCE I GOT ON. I ROLLED UP MY SHIRT ONCE AND WAS LIKE WOW WTF, THESE DELTS ARE GREAT. BITCHES WERE ADMIRIN EM.
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for me, soon as im back on, its delts, traps and forearms.. just like magic
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Why do you think that is bro ? I have seen guys say its cos theres huge amounts of androgen recepters in the arm/delt/trap area to it just being glycogen and intramuscular water just filling these areas out more so - but whats your take on it ?
I'm not sure why, maybe it is because there's more receptors there. It just shows most in this area.
I'm one of those poor overall responders. But I get comments on how my forearms (agree with local hero here) look crazy big and veiny (to a person on the street), and how my upper back is like a barn door and how I have no neck (big traps). In bodybuilding terms I'm small but even someone not knowledgeable of bodybuilding notices these areas when I'm on.
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So the synopsis of this thread = do tons of gear and GH and very little direct delt training and masturbate furiosly while drinking pineapple juice.
I hope my article will be a bit more informative.
No offense gh15,I love most of your stuff as a rule but this one is dogshit.
Carry on!!
The tons of gear and gh or mastubating furiously while drinking pineapple juice?
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There is no delt or trap development to speak of without hormones. I'm speaking in bodybuilding terms, there is no round delt and "big" traps without hormones period. I have watched true naturals train for decades and not a single one of them has any trap or delt development to speak of. A few have pretty good quads, when sitting at 12%+ body fat but even that goes away to a large extent if they decide to lean out.
Put a true natural on a tiny dosage of dbol, say 20mg, and what happens? Suddenly the delts starts looking rounder and it's as if their clavicles got wider, and traps gain size. Even if they are poor responders overall and don't have the fibers to gain much arm size etc, they usually show results in the trap/delt area.
That's one way you can spot a juicer a mile away.
Nothing looks more impressive and scream weightlifter in a t-shirt than that trap/delt development. It's like you can drop a coin in the pit where the traps and delts tie in. And it's something I could never get. No matter how much shrugs, upright rows I'd do... I use to do shrugs on the standing calf (position the pads real low) working my way up to the stack followed by upright rows. Even though I'd feel the traps burn still nothing. I have zero trap development. In a t-shirt I have 12 year olds kicking sand in my face. But I have noticed that Samoans here seem to have that naturally. Even the old fucks. They walk around with their big guts, massive calves, big floppy quads and their shoulder and traps look like they're power lifters.
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I did my share of roids and they help immensely tjhough I`m a sucky responder but training correctly is impoirtant and shoulkd not be downplayed by fucks who solely rely on juice,train like fags,and eat like the average silly fuck walking the streets.
Sage advice here so take fucking notes and thank me later "O deltless ones"!! ;D
Hey,I`m answering my own posts..............as usual,I`m the only one that listens to me!! :)
I listen to you. Um, now what were you saying again?
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gh15 should do arm week next ;D
my arms look like shit compared to the rest of my body
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Nothing looks more impressive and scream weightlifter in a t-shirt than that trap/delt development. It's like you can drop a coin in the pit where the traps and delts tie in. And it's something I could never get. No matter how much shrugs, upright rows I'd do... I use to do shrugs on the standing calf (position the pads real low) working my way up to the stack followed by upright rows. Even though I'd feel the traps burn still nothing. I have zero trap development. In a t-shirt I have 12 year olds kicking sand in my face. But I have noticed that Samoans here seem to have that naturally. Even the old fucks. They walk around with their big guts, massive calves, big floppy quads and their shoulder and traps look like they're power lifters.
for traps i like alternating between smith machine shrugs and standing calf machine shrugs. the calf machine takes your grip and arms out of the movement, really isolates the fuck out of the traps.
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for traps i like alternating between smith machine shrugs and standing calf machine shrugs. the calf machine takes your grip and arms out of the movement, really isolates the fuck out of the traps.
I thought I invented the calf machine shrugs. I've never seen anyone else do them. You can pack on tons of weight very comfortably and it hits it directly. Even play with different shrugging angles.
I never saw the point of using the Smith for those kinds of movements. The plane limits the natural movement and with most machines, Hammer being a notable exception, you have to deal with friction. The wrong type of friction. The drag makes the negative portion lighter than the positive movement when ideally it should be the opposite. Smith is good for safety reasons where you can rack it if you fail instead of getting pinned under the weight. But for movements like shrugs, bentover rows, curls... free weights are better. And I'm no Coach. I'm very pro machine.
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The tons of gear and gh or mastubating furiously while drinking pineapple juice?
Why mastubating furiously while drinking pineapple juice of course silly!! LOL ;D
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There is no delt or trap development to speak of without hormones. I'm speaking in bodybuilding terms, there is no round delt and "big" traps without hormones period. I have watched true naturals train for decades and not a single one of them has any trap or delt development to speak of. A few have pretty good quads, when sitting at 12%+ body fat but even that goes away to a large extent if they decide to lean out.
Put a true natural on a tiny dosage of dbol, say 20mg, and what happens? Suddenly the delts starts looking rounder and it's as if their clavicles got wider, and traps gain size. Even if they are poor responders overall and don't have the fibers to gain much arm size etc, they usually show results in the trap/delt area.
That's one way you can spot a juicer a mile away.
Exactly. You can spot an asshole on juice from a mile away, especially if it's their first cycle. Swole delts, invisible lat syndrome, mean mugging so hard that you want to smash their face with a shovel, etc.
Delts are an all drugs body part once the foundation is laid.
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Nothing looks more impressive and scream weightlifter in a t-shirt than that trap/delt development. It's like you can drop a coin in the pit where the traps and delts tie in. And it's something I could never get. No matter how much shrugs, upright rows I'd do... I use to do shrugs on the standing calf (position the pads real low) working my way up to the stack followed by upright rows. Even though I'd feel the traps burn still nothing. I have zero trap development. In a t-shirt I have 12 year olds kicking sand in my face. But I have noticed that Samoans here seem to have that naturally. Even the old fucks. They walk around with their big guts, massive calves, big floppy quads and their shoulder and traps look like they're power lifters.
I stopped training traps directly because they just get too big when on the sauce. Not to mention when you are naturally ectomorphic, and naturaly a narrow guy like myself, big traps make the physique narrow unless you have some massive delts which I dont have yet. Big arms, big delts, and "noticable" traps are ideal look in my opinion.
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you guess right,,
bodybuild discover sooneer or later,, that no omatter what he do ...after sitting at 6% it is very very hard for the bodybuild to gain fat,,he really need to be off gh and just pound junk food...most bodybuild only gain water,,,after bodybuild discover this secret when he arive at 6% 200lb and try to get bigger and does dianabola,,and testosteona higher doses,, and eqipona and nandrolona and trenbolona high doses,, and every thign he can imagine,,after he sees that....and try this...and see the gains go to 10lb or so and stop,,yet really nothing to write home aboutin size gain that is substantial,,,after he sees that in picture of him taken since bodybuild is addicted to take pic every day so he knows what he look like...
after recognizing that no matter what he do ,,even after increasing calories and eating junk icecream and jamaica and german ,,no omatter what he does when he is 6% he only improve his condition even on very aromatizing products....he discover that the over all increase in hormones only contribute to increase lean mass while decreasing bodyfat and bring better condition while the weight go up slowly to the 205 210 etc...THATS! when he has his little fairy tail on teh shoulder saying to him ....
hey max...you been doign all this shit and taking so much legit hormones...and you gain muscle but mainly you see the condition get better and you look sharper and tighter...how do you bring yourself to the big boys level max...? well...max is thnking a little and then say SHIT it is the insulina that will gt me there..since no matter what i do i cant gain fat im a walking fat burning machine on gh and hormones and i just seem to improve condition and not gain fat ...so our friend max...cross the road to walmart americana and ask for a vial of humulin....and then 6 months down the road you see him in the gym but insted of his 210 lb 32 inch waist...he is not 235lb 35 inch waist...but look like he has 32 inch waist because he got so much damn extra water and fat from within the muscle ,,,
so while inside he is getting fat ,,inthe muscle ...all americana chunky chunk....on the OUTSIDE! he remain same good ole 6-8% and to the girls he become huge and king of all kings and sudenly our friend max hear every geezer in the gym asking him if he is doing the nationals this year....
life of bodybuild 2011 my friends
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makes sense. I bet tha's what kuclo the kid did no?. he realized his polish chinky genetics were shit and couldnt break 185 on all the AAS in the world so he blew trop and trop showed him the way
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I thought I invented the calf machine shrugs. I've never seen anyone else do them. You can pack on tons of weight very comfortably and it hits it directly. Even play with different shrugging angles.
I never saw the point of using the Smith for those kinds of movements. The plane limits the natural movement and with most machines, Hammer being a notable exception, you have to deal with friction. The wrong type of friction. The drag makes the negative portion lighter than the positive movement when ideally it should be the opposite. Smith is good for safety reasons where you can rack it if you fail instead of getting pinned under the weight. But for movements like shrugs, bentover rows, curls... free weights are better. And I'm no Coach. I'm very pro machine.
Anyone ever try one arm low pulley shrugs? Say you can shrug the 135lbs dumbells with good range of motion, using a pulley and doing one arm at a time you might be able to use 250lbs of resistance. You need something to hold onto with the other arm if you use any kind of weight.
Shit I even found a gif of the movement. Didn't think anyone else did them.
http://www.exrx.net/AnimatedEx/TrapeziusUpper/CBOneArmShrug.gif
I've done the calf machine shrugs. Leaves strands of blood under the skin. :D
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VAN.. that is what i do for traps.. i saw mark dugdale do them once and started myself.. great movement.. getting back to delts and gear.. i do agree that some bodyparts do respond well to just aas.. even on minimal training.. my legs i hardly have to train at all when on aas.. my dets were always a hard subject when i was natural.. different story on gear and i mean that comparing to other bodyparts.. most competitors today have good delts compared to years ago.. many do use seo.. but i believe that the increasing dosages over the last couple of decades has contributed greatly to the cannon ball caps we are seeing now also..