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Title: Sting
Post by: mass 04 on August 15, 2011, 09:46:39 AM
I haven't really watched TNA in a while. I guess Sting has a joke like gimmick. For the guys that watch, what is your opinion of it?
Title: Re: TNA News:
Post by: nasht5 on August 15, 2011, 11:01:49 AM
he's playing the "joker" from batman ala: heath ledger makeup and chaos ... don't like it.
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Post by: tu_holmes on August 15, 2011, 11:02:22 AM
I haven't really watched TNA in a while. I guess Sting has a joke like gimmick. For the guys that watch, what is your opinion of it?

I have actually enjoyed it... His "Joker" gimmick is pretty good.

Sting has actually shown himself to be kind of a versatile storyteller. He really does get into the bit and makes it work.
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Post by: Montague on August 15, 2011, 03:05:13 PM
he's playing the "joker" from batman ala: heath ledger makeup and chaos ... don't like it.


Yes; instead of ripping off James O'barr, he's now ripping off DC Comics.
Such originality!
 ;D
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Post by: tu_holmes on August 15, 2011, 04:17:49 PM
I'm glad he never came to the Federation.

Funny, Vince has wanted him for years, but he has no desire to work for VKM.
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Post by: tu_holmes on August 15, 2011, 08:39:38 PM
VKM wants everybody he can make a buck off of. I have never watched one match with Sting. Cannot ever actually see myself doing it. He would have gone no where in the Federation. He knows it and he has always been afraid of the Big Stage. Wrestlemania. Maybe one match against Undertaker. But besides that he couldn't draw a penny. He knows it and that's why he's always been afraid of coming up North. Stings a nothing. He'd have zero chance against Hulkster. Macho would have beaten him. Warrior would have ripped his head off. Bret, 3:16, HHH, Rock, and Cena would all beat him. His only hope in the Federation would have been against HBK. Shawn could have believeably put this clown over. That Crow gimmick wouldn't last a second with us Federation fans.

Chef, let's keep it real here... I get you're a  VKM mark like no other, but his Crow gimmick was the best gimmick between 96 and 98 period. No one stood a chance against that gimmick.

That's why WCW obliterated WWE in the ratings during that time... The gimmick ran it's course, as did the NWO gimmick, but at the time, the Sting Crow silent gimmick was the king.

EVERYONE wanted to see what Sting was going to do... was he WCW or NWO... etc.

You think Earthquake or Koko B. Ware were better gimmicks than the Crow sting? Come on man... Sting would have been just as over in the WWF.

Sting and Flair had hour long matches that put most WWF stuff to shame during their heyday.

Why do you Shill for Vince?

Who the fuck considers themselves a "Federation Fan" besides you around here anyway? Most of us are "wrestling fans" and watched both of them and whichever one was the most entertaining at the time is the one we watched the most.
Title: Re: TNA News:
Post by: Montague on August 16, 2011, 04:58:24 AM
Sting has confessed that a major reason he’s avoided going to the Fed is that he’s witnessed how they’ve used and what they’ve done with a lot of the talent that’s achieved stardom outside the WWF.

Whether it’s ego or just plain foolishness, the old man has a habit of not just underutilizing these guys, but COMPLETELY MISUSING THEM and drastically tarnishing their industry image.

Who knows how Vince would have used Sting?
It may have been better…may have been worse…may have been the same.
Sting was never willing to take the risk, and fortunately for him, he’s never had to.
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Post by: The Showstoppa on August 16, 2011, 10:11:56 AM
So Tim has by his own admission "never watched a Sting match" yet thinks he didn't come to the WWF because he couldn't make it.....ummmmmm, okaayyyyyyyy....... :-\


I've never been a big Sting guy, mostly from his fueding with Flair back in the day.....but he certainly had a huge fanbase and if used properly would have been a big draw in ANY federation he went to.  Otherwise VKM wouldn't have wanted him all these years.
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Post by: funk51 on August 16, 2011, 12:08:45 PM
So Tim has by his own admission "never watched a Sting match" yet thinks he didn't come to the WWF because he couldn't make it.....ummmmmm, okaayyyyyyyy....... :-\


I've never been a big Sting guy, mostly from his fueding with Flair back in the day.....but he certainly had a huge fanbase and if used properly would have been a big draw in ANY federation he went to.  Otherwise VKM wouldn't have wanted him all these years.
a young sting was almost as popular as hulk hogan and had better ring skills.
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Post by: The Showstoppa on August 16, 2011, 01:14:00 PM
a young sting was almost as popular as hulk hogan and had better ring skills.

The hardcore WWF fans from the northeast that I have met from that time period are BY FAR the least knowledgeable fans as far as ANY other territories go.  If it wasn't spoon fed to them by Vince, they know nothing about it.  Its actually kinda sad because during the 80's it was so much fun following, even if only thru magazines, what was happening in Florida, Texas, Memphis, Minnesota, etc...
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Post by: tu_holmes on August 16, 2011, 01:27:26 PM
The hardcore WWF fans from the northeast that I have met from that time period are BY FAR the least knowledgeable fans as far as ANY other territories go.  If it wasn't spoon fed to them by Vince, they know nothing about it.  Its actually kinda sad because during the 80's it was so much fun following, even if only thru magazines, what was happening in Florida, Texas, Memphis, Minnesota, etc...

They were great times... I miss them.

Going to see the different guys from around the country... good stuff.
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Post by: The Showstoppa on August 16, 2011, 01:38:00 PM
They were great times... I miss them.

Going to see the different guys from around the country... good stuff.

I loved when a new guy came to the area.  They would run those cheesy little movies to introduce them.  Still remember Magnum TA's video set to "Born to be wild..." hahaha   good times!
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Post by: tu_holmes on August 16, 2011, 02:10:51 PM
I loved when a new guy came to the area.  They would run those cheesy little movies to introduce them.  Still remember Magnum TA's video set to "Born to be wild..." hahaha   good times!

Haha... him on that damn motorcycle.

There's a guy whose career was cut terribly short.

That guy would have been huge had his accident not happened.
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Post by: tu_holmes on August 16, 2011, 03:45:07 PM

Maybe better ring skills but nowhere near as popular. How many times did young Sting sell out MSG?

How many times did Hogan sell out in New Japan or the Georgia dome? About as many as Goldberg.

Trust me, Sting has sold out plenty of places all over the world.
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Post by: Montague on August 16, 2011, 03:55:11 PM
I've never been a big Sting guy...


Show, I know you were really a "Little Stinger."
It's okay, man... you don't have to hide it.
As I've said before: we're ALL accepted down here.







































 ;D ;D
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Post by: The Showstoppa on August 16, 2011, 05:13:48 PM

Show, I know you were really a "Little Stinger."
It's okay, man... you don't have to hide it.
As I've said before: we're ALL accepted down here.







































 ;D ;D

 ;D   Man,when he would no-sell and do that stupid yell against Flair I would go ballistic..... 
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Post by: tu_holmes on August 16, 2011, 05:15:06 PM
;D   Man,when he would no-sell and do that stupid yell against Flair I would go ballistic..... 

And then do the gorilla chest beat.

Hahaha!!! I remember those days.

They had the best matches though. Hogan has never had a match to rival Sting and Flair at Clash of the Champions.
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Post by: tu_holmes on August 16, 2011, 09:03:24 PM
No disrespect at all. Hogan could have sold out anything. Hulkamania is the strongest force in the universe. You would have to see what Hulkster was capable of doing to a crowd. Listen to what the Gorilla used to say. "This place feels like its gonna cave in" Hogan could cause border line Earthquakes in the center of NYC! This guy set it off like no other. You would have to see it to believe it. Sting is a World Class "B" superstar of wrestling. Be real here fellas. Mania is the Main Stage.

Sting is a straight up AAA superstar in wrestling.

Arguably the 4th or 5th greatest wrestler of all time. Behind Hogan, Flair, and maybe HHH.

No one else touches Sting.

Gorilla Monsoon screaming over a crowd track doesn't make it so.

I've seen them both in the big events in their prime... To say that Sting couldn't hang with Hogan is just false.
Title: Re: Sting
Post by: mass 04 on August 17, 2011, 10:12:03 AM
split this topic (no homo). Good debate going on.
Title: Re: Sting
Post by: Montague on August 17, 2011, 03:26:50 PM
split this topic (no homo). Good debate going on.


Pfft...

Fag!!

Title: Re: Sting
Post by: Montague on August 17, 2011, 03:27:17 PM
Oh, sorry man.

I just saw the "no homo."
Title: Re: Sting
Post by: mass 04 on August 17, 2011, 04:40:47 PM
Oh, sorry man.

I just saw the "no homo."
;D

I think that you have to put Sting in the top 10 North American wrestlers of all time. I never really liked him after he ditched the blonde hair and became Crow Sting. He was the whole package. He did have the advantage of working with Flair pretty early in his WCW run. Put his best matches up against Austin, Rock, Taker's best....and I say Sting's are just as good.
Title: Re: Sting
Post by: Montague on August 17, 2011, 04:53:35 PM
Sometimes I have to remind myself that Sting and "Ultimate Jim" came up at the same time under the same trainers.
Total opposites insofar as skills and attitude.

Title: Re: Sting
Post by: mass 04 on August 17, 2011, 04:57:53 PM
Sometimes I have to remind myself that Sting and "Ultimate Jim" came up at the same time under the same trainers.
Total opposites insofar as skills and attitude.


What does Warrior think of Sting? I watched that shoot he did a while back but don't really remember.
Title: Re: Sting
Post by: Montague on August 17, 2011, 05:03:29 PM
What does Warrior think of Sting? I watched that shoot he did a while back but don't really remember.


I don't recall ever hearing Jim mention anything about Sting.
But then again, I don't pay much attention to anything Hellwig ever says about wrestling.

Title: Re: Sting
Post by: The Showstoppa on August 18, 2011, 06:18:05 AM
Sometimes I have to remind myself that Sting and "Ultimate Jim" came up at the same time under the same trainers.
Total opposites insofar as skills and attitude.



they should bring back The Blade Runners !!!!!!
Title: Re: Sting
Post by: tu_holmes on August 18, 2011, 07:29:08 AM
4th or 5th greatest of all time? So he's ahead of Bret, Taker, Macho, 3:16, and Mr. Wrestlemania?

Hell yes he is. Taker is all gimmick and almost no skill.

Bret? Out of the game while Sting is still going strong.

Austin? Really? He's all gimmick too. A great gimmick and fun to listen to. But he's not some great wrestler.

He was better as a Hollywood blonde. Do you remember Ringmaster?
Title: Re: Sting
Post by: funk51 on August 18, 2011, 12:28:21 PM
Hell yes he is. Taker is all gimmick and almost no skill.

Bret? Out of the game while Sting is still going strong.

Austin? Really? He's all gimmick too. A great gimmick and fun to listen to. But he's not some great wrestler.

He was better as a Hollywood blonde. Do you remember Ringmaster?
taker not that great that walking on rope thing old skool not very impressive. he's good for one great move a year now his dive over the top rope saved for WM. bret hart was never that greatthat pathetic elbow off the ropes  not very impressive.austin lamest punches in game i know he has bad elbows and shoulders. HHH same 5 moves every match ad infinitum doesn't make a great wrestler. karl gotch now there was a wrestler.
Title: Re: Sting
Post by: The Showstoppa on August 18, 2011, 12:40:42 PM
My top 5, in no particular order....

Flair
Michaels
Macho
Steamboat
Benoit


In their prime, they all put on great matches EVERYTIME out.... even with opponents who often couldn't work for shit.
Title: Re: Sting
Post by: Montague on August 18, 2011, 03:37:10 PM
taker not that great that walking on rope thing old skool not very impressive. he's good for one great move a year now his dive over the top rope saved for WM. bret hart was never that greatthat pathetic elbow off the ropes  not very impressive.austin lamest punches in game i know he has bad elbows and shoulders. HHH same 5 moves every match ad infinitum doesn't make a great wrestler. karl gotch now there was a wrestler.


While I readilly admit that the above were not "the best ever," I don't share the harshness of your critiques.
You guys are f'n brutal! :)

Funk, if you liked Karl Gotch, I'm curious to know what you thought of the Malenko's (from a technical standpoint), as they were both trained by Gotch.
He was always quick to point that out, too.
I think he was very proud of those two.

If you like the old shooters, search for some Billy Robinson footage.
He spent some time up in MN, but I consider his best success to have been in Japan.
Title: Re: Sting
Post by: The Showstoppa on August 18, 2011, 05:17:44 PM

While I readilly admit that the above were not "the best ever," I don't share the harshness of your critiques.
You guys are f'n brutal! :)

Funk, if you liked Karl Gotch, I'm curious to know what you thought of the Malenko's (from a technical standpoint), as they were both trained by Gotch.
He was always quick to point that out, too.
I think he was very proud of those two.

If you like the old shooters, search for some Billy Robinson footage.
He spent some time up in MN, but I consider his best success to have been in Japan.

I remember Robinson making a couple of short passes thru the mid-atlantic.  I've also read that he was one of the most hated guys in the locker room for taking liberties in-ring with guys.  Complete prick, but nobody wanted to f with him.
Title: Re: Sting
Post by: Andy Griffin on August 18, 2011, 05:30:18 PM
My top 5, in no particular order....

Flair
Michaels
Macho
Steamboat
Benoit


In their prime, they all put on great matches EVERYTIME out.... even with opponents who often couldn't work for shit.


I have always liked Steamboad-Flair matches best. 

I probably mentioned this before, but I definitely agree about Flair putting people over.  Once he wrestled GEORGE SOUTH, and made him look so good that I thought George was going to get some kind of push...until he was squashed the following week by "Hot Stuff" Eddie Gilbert.
Title: Re: Sting
Post by: The Showstoppa on August 18, 2011, 05:33:30 PM

I have always liked Steamboad-Flair matches best. 

I probably mentioned this before, but I definitely agree about Flair putting people over.  Once he wrestled GEORGE SOUTH, and made him look so good that I thought George was going to get some kind of push...until he was squashed the following week by "Hot Stuff" Eddie Gilbert.

The Flair-Steamboat fued was great both in the mid-atlantic and then the WCW.  I remember seeing them wrestle many, many times in M-A.  The matches were always 5 star affairs that usually went an hour and you were always on the edge of your seat the whole time.

And you are right about Flair, he was the THE BEST at putting other talent over.  Nobody else is even close in my book.
Title: Re: Sting
Post by: Montague on August 18, 2011, 05:49:28 PM
I remember Robinson making a couple of short passes thru the mid-atlantic.  I've also read that he was one of the most hated guys in the locker room for taking liberties in-ring with guys.  Complete prick, but nobody wanted to f with him.


Yeah, Billy was a tough bastard.
He could (and would) mess guys up in the ring.

Often, though, that kind of reputation backfired on a guy.
Many promoters were reluctant to put belts on legit toughies because it may be rather difficult to get that belt back if the guy doesn't cooperate.
The same concept applied to them even working with the champ.

Karl Gotch experienced this phenomenon.


I think that truly tough guys in wrestling is becoming a thing of the past.
Admittedly, I don't follow too much anymore.

Is there anyone today you guys would say is on the same level of toughness as, say:
Harley Race,
Steiners,
Haku,
RW's,
APA
Dynamite,
etc.
Title: Re: Sting
Post by: littleguns on August 19, 2011, 03:11:13 AM
I cant blame sting for standing by his morals of not coming to WWE.......Goldberg and Steiner are 2 examples of brining in Maineventers and squashing them.

If he was smart he would have asked for 1 match, $5 million then set off into the sunset....
Title: Re: Sting
Post by: GraniteCityDon on August 19, 2011, 10:47:58 AM
IMO Sting was an excellent draw, a popular champion and someone molded to challenge Hulkamania. Unfortunately he does not, and never has rivaled the popularity of Hogan in his prime. He was one of the most recognisable people in the world - the W.O.R.L.D. - standing along side the likes of MJ and could have pretty much done anything he wanted to.

Bottom line is that a century from now a few hardcore's will recall Sting for one reason or another whereas Hogan may very well have a 30ft statue in Washington striking a pose to signify America's strength. Sting never made anyone a billionaire.....
Title: Re: Sting
Post by: GraniteCityDon on August 19, 2011, 10:51:37 AM

Yeah, Billy was a tough bastard.
He could (and would) mess guys up in the ring.

Often, though, that kind of reputation backfired on a guy.
Many promoters were reluctant to put belts on legit toughies because it may be rather difficult to get that belt back if the guy doesn't cooperate.
The same concept applied to them even working with the champ.

Karl Gotch experienced this phenomenon.


I think that truly tough guys in wrestling is becoming a thing of the past.
Admittedly, I don't follow too much anymore.

Is there anyone today you guys would say is on the same level of toughness as, say:
Harley Race,
Steiners,
Haku,
RW's,
APA
Dynamite,
etc.


There was Finlay, however aside from that today's guys are all pampered sweethearts who hardly have to lift a finger and would likely have their arses handed to them in many a bar. Angle is supposedly legit tough however, a real hard b*stard, and although its subjective i believe Lesnar can be spoken among those names with unshakable confidence.
Title: Re: Sting
Post by: The Showstoppa on August 19, 2011, 11:08:28 AM
There was Finlay, however aside from that today's guys are all pampered sweethearts who hardly have to lift a finger and would likely have their arses handed to them in many a bar. Angle is supposedly legit tough however, a real hard b*stard, and although its subjective i believe Lesnar can be spoken among those names with unshakable confidence.

I'd put Steve Regal in there too.
Title: Re: Sting
Post by: Montague on August 19, 2011, 02:57:32 PM
There was Finlay, however aside from that today's guys are all pampered sweethearts who hardly have to lift a finger and would likely have their arses handed to them in many a bar. Angle is supposedly legit tough however, a real hard b*stard, and although its subjective i believe Lesnar can be spoken among those names with unshakable confidence.


Supposedly, Angle & Lesnar had a little "friendly" backstage competition once, in which Angle cleaned up pretty quick with him.
Title: Re: Sting
Post by: Montague on August 19, 2011, 03:00:56 PM
I'd put Steve Regal in there too.


Good call.
Didn't Regal train with some of the same shooters that schooled Dynamite early on?

I know that Foley consulted Regal to write the history of the fictional character in Foley's novel, Tietam Brown, who was trained by the Wigan coal miners.
Title: Re: Sting
Post by: GraniteCityDon on August 20, 2011, 01:23:50 AM

Supposedly, Angle & Lesnar had a little "friendly" backstage competition once, in which Angle cleaned up pretty quick with him.


I'm pretty sure that was an amateur wrestling match, and to be fair even though Lesnar has excellent pedigree its no match for Kurt's (interesting point of note: both Mark Coleman & Mark Kerr (MMA fighters) handled Kurt in the amateurs).

Angle should have done MMA in his prime, he would have been a sight to see.
Title: Re: Sting
Post by: Montague on August 20, 2011, 03:44:32 AM
Angle should have done MMA in his prime, he would have been a sight to see.


I suspect your'e right.
What do you make of his Olympic bid?
Title: Re: Sting
Post by: GraniteCityDon on August 21, 2011, 03:38:42 AM
Nothing more than publicity, perhaps on the back of the GSP talk. If he was that serious about it he would have done it years ago and i feel that, whilst he's still in phenomenal shape, he is too long in the tooth for such a bid. Surely the U.S. has the necessary personnel in their ranks to fill a team without the need for a man retired for 15 years?
Title: Re: Sting
Post by: Montague on August 21, 2011, 06:18:20 AM
Nothing more than publicity, perhaps on the back of the GSP talk. If he was that serious about it he would have done it years ago and i feel that, whilst he's still in phenomenal shape, he is too long in the tooth for such a bid. Surely the U.S. has the necessary personnel in their ranks to fill a team without the need for a man retired for 15 years?


Those are pretty much my sentiments.
Specifically, I see it as a long-shot that will draw attention & maybe even a little "legitimacy" to the TNA product.

If, on the off-chance he actually qualifies, both he and TNA would benefit beyond their wildest dreams.

To me, it seems like a situation in which both parties will either win a little...or win HUGE!!!
Either way, there is definitely a payoff.
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Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 23, 2011, 07:36:55 AM


Arguably the 4th or 5th greatest wrestler of all time. Behind Hogan, Flair, and maybe HHH.

WTF???  No way in hell does HHH even break the Top 20 of greatest wrestlers.
Title: Re: Sting
Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 23, 2011, 07:46:00 AM
I like Sting.

I have marked for Sting all the way from his UWF days.  Back when he couldn't wrestle his way out of a paper bag and was learning as he went each week.  The first time he unleashed his Stinger Splash in his WCCW debut at Starccade in the 6 man tag match, people all over the building (was watching it in a PPV admission crowd) popped like none other.

That being said, he has become the worst rip off artist of all time.  And for the record, he did NOT rip off the Crow character. He ripped off the Fake Sting character.  When the nWo brought out their fake Sting, his face paint was going to be black and white, the nWo colors.   After a few house shows the real Sting decided that he would rather have the look and pulled the prima donna card with the higher ups.  Since the fake sting was basically an unknown guy named Jeff Farmer who only had wrestled under a Ranger gimmick in the past, it was given to him and later Jeff was shipped off to Japan for the nWo charter there.  Where he blew crowds away.  They loved him more than the real Sting.  And no wonder.  He had a better body and displayed an arsenal of moves that went beyond the 6-7 moves that the real Sting did over and over.  After this was when Sting took what he had and blatantly copied the rest of the Crows look, and mannerisms. 

Now Sting is once again trying to revive another character that is years old.   As if the old padded body suit wasn't bad enough.
Title: Re: Sting
Post by: tu_holmes on August 23, 2011, 02:54:10 PM
WTF???  No way in hell does HHH even break the Top 20 of greatest wrestlers.

I think we will have to just disagree on that.

I could put a lot of other people as better "wrestlers", but longevity and being "over", along with skill set, it's hard to argue against HHH in my opinion.
Title: Re: Sting
Post by: Montague on August 23, 2011, 04:47:39 PM
Everybody's got their opinion.
At the end of the day...no matter how you look at it...it's still just guys in spandex pretending to fight.
Title: Re: Sting
Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 23, 2011, 07:34:15 PM
HHH is one dimensional.  Ego tripper who grew stale in every regards six months after his DX peak.  He would still be bowing and wearing knee high boots if it were not for Shawn.
Title: Re: Sting
Post by: tu_holmes on August 24, 2011, 09:48:05 AM
HHH is one dimensional.  Ego tripper who grew stale in every regards six months after his DX peak.  He would still be bowing and wearing knee high boots if it were not for Shawn.

You will get no argument from me that The Showstopper is possibly the 3rd greatest wrestler of all time, but it doesn't take away from HHHs success.
Title: Re: Sting
Post by: Montague on August 24, 2011, 07:14:06 PM
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The majority of his career was Shawn Michael's. A prime muscle bound HHH was very entertaining. But once he got hurt, lost his size, and became really ugly. The only thing that has kept him in the spotlight is because he's Mr. Stephanie McMahon. Oh no? Why is Shane out and HHH COO? How on Earth are they making movies starring HHH? The fans don't have a choice here. HHH has been jammed down our throats and will always continue to be unless he gets a divorce.


I respectfully disagree with the “majority” aspect.
Hunter gained leverage politically when he & Shawn maneuvered their way onto the booking committee around ‘96.
The sophomoric schtick of the “original” D-X got Hunter increased exposure as the Fed rapidly gained viewers during the Attitude Era.

But, D-X grew even bigger without Michaels, and Hunter’s biggest success came when he re-invented himself as “The Game.”
As a former student who‘s actually been in a wrestling ring, I can say that everything from HHH’s look to his mic. skills and ring work were TOP NOTCH from about ‘98 to ‘03.
And, this was well after Michaels took yet another sabbatical for his 14th supposed career-ending injury; or, maybe he just lost his smile again. ::)

As far as I’m concerned, even if Michaels did help propel HHH to superstardom, HHH deserves it for all the times he & Chyna carried Shawn back to his room because the little prick was shit-faced plastered on Somas in the bar.

Title: Re: Sting
Post by: The Showstoppa on August 25, 2011, 10:04:45 AM

I respectfully disagree with the “majority” aspect.
Hunter gained leverage politically when he & Shawn maneuvered their way onto the booking committee around ‘96.
The sophomoric schtick of the “original” D-X got Hunter increased exposure as the Fed rapidly gained viewers during the Attitude Era.

But, D-X grew even bigger without Michaels, and Hunter’s biggest success came when he re-invented himself as “The Game.”
As a former student who‘s actually been in a wrestling ring, I can say that everything from HHH’s look to his mic. skills and ring work were TOP NOTCH from about ‘98 to ‘03.
And, this was well after Michaels took yet another sabbatical for his 14th supposed career-ending injury; or, maybe he just lost his smile again. ::)

As far as I’m concerned, even if Michaels did help propel HHH to superstardom, HHH deserves it for all the times he & Chyna carried Shawn back to his room because the little prick was shit-faced plastered on Somas in the bar.



I think the world of Michaels as a wrestler, but I have to get HHH credit.  Sure, he got a bump when he was paired with Michaels and Chyna and I found them very entertaining, more so than later DX, but the thing HHH did was take advantage of the situation and run with it.  How many other guys have had an opportunity and sqaundered it? 

Really the only knock I have on him as a wrestler is that his mic schtick should have only been about 3-5 minutes as the longer the interview went, the worse he got....until most times it was unbearable after 10-15 minutes of it. 

I really can't comment on him over the last 4 or 5 yrs as i haven't watched enough wrestling on a regular basis to have an informed opinion.
Title: Re: Sting
Post by: Montague on August 25, 2011, 05:34:07 PM
The thing I’ve always found most interesting about Michaels is that he’s got the smallest, but most devoted fan-base.
There weren’t a lot of fans who loved HBK, but the few who did will defend him until death as the greatest “worker” that ever lived.
We know there weren’t a lot of HBK fans because the Fed experienced its worst financial years during Michaels’ reign as champion.

My favorite observation regarding Michaels came from a U.K. fan in a letter sent to The Wrestling Observer: “No adult male is going to support an obnoxious, blonde, ponytail wearing self-professed sexy boy. No matter how well he does in the ring.”
Title: Re: Sting
Post by: Montague on August 26, 2011, 03:20:38 AM
One other disturbing thing I distinctly remember was from when Michaels was a face pre-attitude era.
They would actually bring little kids into the ring to do the stripper dance with Shawn.

Now, before the HBK marks jump in professing what a great worker their "hero" is, let me qualify my statement:
Yes, I don't deny that Shawn was a great worker in the ring; what I'm discussing here is GETTING LITTLE KIDS TO DANCE LIKE MALE STRIPPERS on TV.
WTF???
Title: Re: Sting
Post by: The Showstoppa on August 26, 2011, 09:36:47 AM
I agree on Michaels.  I wasn't really into the WWF during his earlier run, but he was probably as important as anyone with introducing the attitude era.  He simply became on air what he was off of it.  And then others followed. 

But the leather chaps, strip tease and SF gay-biker little leather hat was just too much during the earlier run.  He did a subtle tweaking once the DX and attitude era came around....thankfully.
Title: Re: Sting
Post by: Montague on August 26, 2011, 01:53:14 PM
...the leather chaps, strip tease and SF gay-biker little leather hat was just too much during the earlier run.


That undeniably gay ensemble always made me think of of Eugene Levy in that one scene from Armed and Dangerous:

(http://www.wwe.com/f/reign/image/2005/06/493362.jpg?1298296871)

(http://www.criticplanet.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/armed-and-dangerous-1986-01.jpg)


Of all of the possibilities of ring gear to chose from, why would you intentionally chose the one that makes you look the gayest?
Title: Re: Sting
Post by: tu_holmes on August 26, 2011, 01:53:49 PM

That undeniably gay ensemble always made me think of of Eugene Levy in that one scene from Armed and Dangerous:

(http://www.wwe.com/f/reign/image/2005/06/493362.jpg?1298296871)

(http://www.criticplanet.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/armed-and-dangerous-1986-01.jpg)


Of all of the possibilities of ring gear to chose from, why would you intentionally chose the one that makes you look the gayest?

Bitches love that shit.
Title: Re: Sting
Post by: mass 04 on August 26, 2011, 07:25:25 PM
I just read an interview with Scott Hall, and he says that he is the one that suggested that Sting watch "The Crow" after he started wearing his hair longer and was no longer dying it.
Title: Re: Sting
Post by: Montague on August 26, 2011, 07:35:36 PM
I just read an interview with Scott Hall, and he says that he is the one that suggested that Sting watch "The Crow" after he started wearing his hair longer and no was no longer dying it.


Do you remember: there was at least one Nitro on which they had Sting appear in the rafters with a great big turkey vulcher perched on his shoulder.
I laughed my ass off at the time!!

I also distinctly remember the TV commercial for one of the WCW PPV's; they had a young girl's voice deliver a monologue - something about putting the wrong things right - just like the original Crow movie began. In fact, the commercial looked like a trailer for the Brandon Lee film, complete with set design, lighting, and Sting's mannerisms.
This was ALL a DIRECT rip-off of The Crow.
Title: Re: Sting
Post by: mass 04 on August 26, 2011, 07:53:35 PM

Do you remember: there was at least one Nitro on which they had Sting appear in the rafters with a great big turkey vulcher perched on his shoulder.
I laughed my ass off at the time!!
lol is this it?



And here is the Hall interview:

Scott Hall: I gave Sting "The Crow" gimmick. We were standing next to each other in North Carolina and I'm slicking my hair back and he's sitting there in his neon sh--, but he's not dyeing his hair anymore. He's not bleaching it anymore. And he's letting his hair grow out. And I don't know Sting. He's always been a big deal. When I was in WCW before, I was a jabroni and he was a big star. I went to New York and I've only been (back in WCW) a week or two. So we're standing next to each other at the sinks in the locker room. I'm slickin' my sh-- back because I've gotta go do an interview or something. So Sting enters and I say, "You growin' your hair out, huh?" He goes, "Yeah." I said, "You still gonna wear the neon happy-guy stuff?" He goes, "Yeah, yeah." I said, "You ever see The Crow, man?" He went, "No, I didn't see it." I said, "You outta check it out, man. The guy kinda has his stuff drippin' down. I'm not telling you to trip off the Undertaker, but he kinda acts like Taker." I told him that. And I tell ya' what, he gives me props for it. I will say this. Dallas's book, Sting's quote, he gives me props. He did it on Home Shopping Network one time, he gave me props. To me, that's all I need to know. I just want Sting to know I gave him that gimmick. That's the only satisfaction I need. I don't need none of your royalties or that bullsh--.
Title: Re: Sting
Post by: Montague on August 27, 2011, 03:49:52 AM
I don't need none of your royalties or that bullsh--.


He'd just use it to buy more drugs.


And, yeah: that's the episode I remember, although I forgot about the buzzard being in the ring at the end.
LOL at the guys all standing there pointing at it.
Due props; Nash sold it the best when he cocked the belt back ready to swing it like a bat.

Title: Re: Sting
Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 29, 2011, 09:09:12 AM
That video reminded me of how annoying Konnan was and how useless Scott Norton was.