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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Sherief Shalaby on August 28, 2011, 12:28:33 PM
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5'4", 5'9", 5'11"
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Why is the guy in the middle Mr. O while the guy on the right never did any damage?
They have the exact same proportions and the same level of conditioning while the guy on the right is waaay bigger.
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Dwarf, Short, Average........well in Holland that is.
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Why is the guy in the middle Mr. O while the guy on the right never did any damage?
They have the exact same proportions and the same level of conditioning while the guy on the right is waaay bigger.
guy on the right looks to have a better chest
but im guessing it's a different story when we turn them around?
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guy on the right looks to have a better chest
but im guessing it's a different story when we turn them around?
I said this before, as Dorian was a multiple Mr. O Fux could've been Mr O just as well. Even his back was right up there with Dorians.
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I said this before, as Dorian was a multiple Mr. O Fux could've been Mr O just as well. Even his back was right up there with Dorians.
Shhhhhhh don't say Fux could have been Mr O ( although I agree ) sherief will get upset
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dont forget this is mr. olympia 97 where dorian presented his shittiest ever shape.. also you see them in the relaxed position.. when they were hitting poses it was another story..
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Please don't start a Fux vs Yates thread..... :-[
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(http://muscleshots.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/mystery60.jpg)
He could use Wong Hong's head up there...
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Please don't start a Fux vs Yates thread..... :-[
dont worry we can start it like this then i will shortly convert it to be nasser vs. dorian ;D
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dont worry we can start it like this then i will shortly convert it to be nasser vs. dorian ;D
I worry too much.. ;)
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Why the guy on the left looks best ???
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dont worry we can start it like this then i will shortly convert it to be nasser vs. dorian ;D
At his worse Dorian crushed him lol forget his best
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Why the guy on the left looks best ???
X2...
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At his worse Dorian crushed him lol forget his best
i dont think so ;)
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i dont think so ;)
yeeeaaaa Nasser wins a pose ::) contests are more than one or two shots
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He could use Wong Hong's head up there...
lol
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yeeeaaaa Nasser wins a pose ::) contests are more than one or two shots
sure and nasser was better in more poses including the FLS which was one of dorian's best (before 97)!!..
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back to the topic of the thread before ND changes it!!..
now it's large, medium, and small :P
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back to the topic of the thread before ND changes it!!..
now it's large, medium, and small :P
Shawn had best legs there though!
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sure and nasser was better in more poses including the FLS which was one of dorian's best (before 97)!!..
Sure he was and that's why he won the Olympia that year :D wait , no he didn't ;)
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back to the topic of the thread before ND changes it!!..
now it's large, medium, and small :P
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Sure he was and that's why he won the Olympia that year :D wait , no he didn't ;)
besides the back photos the only way you can make dorian look better than nasser is by posting pictures that favor dorian based on the angle. the side chest and side tri shots you posted earlier in the thread are a perfect example. nasser wins every pose except back double bi rare lat spread, ab/thigh is tied
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besides the back photos the only way you can make dorian look better than nasser is by posting pictures that favor dorian based on the angle. the side chest and side tri shots you posted earlier in the thread are a perfect example. nasser wins every pose except back double bi rare lat spread, ab/thigh is tied
Sure he did hence why he won the contest :D
Nasser beat Dorian in the front double biceps & standing relaxed from the front and maybe the ab-thigh ( although close ) but Dorian crushed him everywhere else
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Sure he was and that's why he won the Olympia that year :D wait , no he didn't ;)
you seriously see dorian better here??!!.. sure love is blind :-X
this pose is not only lats man!!..
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you seriously see dorian better here??!!.. sure love is blind :-X
this pose is not only lats man!!..
Says the guy who has a Facebook account dedicated to Nasser lol you are right love is blind and it prevents you from seeing what 12 judges seen
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Sure he did hence why he won the contest :D
Nasser beat Dorian in the front double biceps & standing relaxed from the front and maybe the ab-thigh ( although close ) but Dorian crushed him everywhere else
ironically you yourself said before that you personally saw nasser the winner but you still understood how dorian won!!.. it was a stupid statement full of contradiction but still a clear confession showing your real opinion!!..
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Fux would have won the Mrs. Olympia---he was about to give birth at every contest he entered.
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ironically you yourself said before that you personally saw nasser the winner but you still understood how dorian won!!.. it was a stupid statement full of contradiction but still a clear confession showing your real opinion!!..
I never ever once said I saw Nasser as the winner liar , I said I don't personally think Dorian should have won , but Nasser did NOT beat him , get your facts straight kid
Dorian really didn't represent what a Mr Olympia should be at this contest but he won according to the criteria by accumulating more mandatory poses , it's a hard pill for you to swallow but Nasser simply wasn't good enough , he looked fantastic in the front double biceps , standing relaxed and the ab-thigh but he couldn't compare to Dorian in the sides and back shots or 1/4 turns
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besides the back photos the only way you can make dorian look better than nasser is by posting pictures that favor dorian based on the angle. the side chest and side tri shots you posted earlier in the thread are a perfect example. nasser wins every pose except back double bi rare lat spread, ab/thigh is tied
very ture.. also i dont see how ND sees dorian better than nasser in the side chest for example!!.. everything on nasser from top to bottom was bigger and bette!!..
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Fux would have won the Mrs. Olympia---he was about to give birth at every contest he entered.
Ronnie and Nasser as well
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very ture.. also i dont see how ND sees dorian better than nasser in the side chest for example!!.. everything on nasser from top to bottom was bigger and bette!!..
Sure he is
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Dorian crushes him
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I never ever once said I saw Nasser as the winner liar , I said I don't personally think Dorian should have won , but Nasser did NOT beat him , get your facts straight kid
Dorian really didn't represent what a Mr Olympia should be at this contest but he won according to the criteria by accumulating more mandatory poses , it's a hard pill for you to swallow but Nasser simply wasn't good enough , he looked fantastic in the front double biceps , standing relaxed and the ab-thigh but he couldn't compare to Dorian in the sides and back shots or 1/4 turns
ok so according to this criteria plz explain to me where was the symmetry between dorian's left and right sides??.. where was the proportion between his different parts??..
i see that he had one whole arm missing which killed the symmetry with the other arm.. also he was not proportioned as his back was very big for the rest of his upper body and his arms even the right and his shoulders were all small for his wide torso.. his calves clearly overpowered his upper legs..
i may be wrong so plz ND teach me :-X
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ok so according to this criteria plz explain to me where was the symmetry between dorian's left and right sides??.. where was the proportion between his different parts??..
i see that he had one whole arm missing which killed the symmetry with the other arm.. also he was not proportioned as his back was very big for the rest of his upper body and his arms even the right and his shoulders were all small for his wide torso.. his calves clearly overpowered his upper legs..
i may be wrong so plz ND teach me :-X
' i may be wrong ' ? you are dead wrong especially about the story where I said Nasser was the winner ;) . You see what you wanna see and you're biased to boot now lets couple that with a few other facts like you just cherry-picked what you think wins a pose while leaving out the rest of the criteria and lets also add the fact that you WEREN'T there live and in person and are basing things off of a few photos , if you trusted the judges on Nassers wins and then say they got it wrong here you're a hypocrite but you exposed yourself as one of those a LONG time ago
Nasser wasn't as good as you wished he was it's a fact and he wasn't close to Dorian even at his worst
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' i may be wrong ' ? you are dead wrong especially about the story where I said Nasser was the winner ;) . You see what you wanna see and you're biased to boot now lets couple that with a few other facts like you just cherry-picked what you think wins a pose while leaving out the rest of the criteria and lets also add the fact that you WEREN'T there live and in person and are basing things off of a few photos , if you trusted the judges on Nassers wins and then say they got it wrong here you're a hypocrite but you exposed yourself as one of those a LONG time ago
Nasser wasn't as good as you wished he was it's a fact and he wasn't close to Dorian even at his worst
still you didnt answer me about dorian's missing symmetry and proportion.. dont answer i know you have nothing to say here..
and dont tell me i was not there because like this no one can discuss any contest unless he was there ::).. sure pictures and videos show the reality and it's stupid to believe they show a certain guy worse than his reality while dont do the same with the guys beside him!!..
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still you didnt answer me about dorian's missing symmetry and proportion.. dont answer i know you have nothing to say here..
and dont tell me i was not there because like this no one can discuss any contest unless he was there ::).. sure pictures and videos show the reality and it's stupid to believe they show a certain guy worse than his reality while dont do the same with the guys beside him!!..
I pointed out that you only picked PART of the criteria while ignoring the others bias and ignorance on your behalf , you're willing to overlook the rest of the criteria because it suits your point of view
no people can discuss contests without being there , but it's a poor substitute which is why contests aren't judged online ;) again if you trusted the judges to pick Nasser the winner at times you can't in the same breathe bitch when he doesn't win or you think he should have , the internet is full of biased ignorant fan-boys like yourself who think they figured it all out at home on the PC , reality dictates otherwise
Nasser beat Dorian in some poses but not enough to beat him hands down , all your bitching & moaning doesn't change this fact
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I pointed out that you only picked PART of the criteria while ignoring the others bias and ignorance on your behalf , you're willing to overlook the rest of the criteria because it suits your point of view
no people can discuss contests without being there , but it's a poor substitute which is why contests aren't judged online ;) again if you trusted the judges to pick Nasser the winner at times you can't in the same breathe bitch when he doesn't win or you think he should have , the internet is full of biased ignorant fan-boys like yourself who think they figured it all out at home on the PC , reality dictates otherwise
Nasser beat Dorian in some poses but not enough to beat him hands down , all your bitching & moaning doesn't change this fact
what are the rest of this fukin criteria??.. dryness??.. shape??.. details??.. there were more than one top pro. who were more detailed and drier than yates and with naturally better shapes (on that day).. dorian beat them all from the rear only..
and forget about nasser,.. didnt shawn ray present a more compete over all package than dorian on that day according to the "criteria"??.. he was more balanced all over his physique, much more symmetrical, more details.. etc..
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what are the rest of this fukin criteria??.. dryness??.. shape??.. details??.. there were more than one top pro. who were more detailed and drier than yates and with naturally better shapes (on that day).. dorian beat them all from the rear only..
and forget about nasser,.. didnt shawn ray present a more compete over all package than dorian on that day according to the "criteria"??.. he was more balanced all over his physique, much more symmetrical, more details.. etc..
Oh please , I've posted and explained the entire criteria to you and many others ad nausem , you see what you want , Nasser lost get over it.
here study this and then come to your senses and ask yourself how 12 individuals all came to the same conclusion , Dorian meet this better than Nasser did
When assessing a competitor’s physique, a judge should follow a
routine procedure which will allow a comprehensive assessment of
the physique as a whole. During the comparisons of the
compulsory poses, the judge should first look at the primary
muscle group being displayed. The judge should then survey the
whole physique, starting from the head, and looking at every part
of the physique in a downward sequence, beginning with general
impressions, and looking for muscular bulk, balanced
development, muscular density and definition. The downward
survey should take in the head, neck, shoulders, chest, all of the
arm muscles, front of the trunk for pectorals, pec-delt tie-in,
abdominals, waist, thighs, legs, calves and feet. The same
procedure for back poses will also take in the upper and lower
trapezius, teres and infraspinatus, erector spinae, the gluteus
group, the leg biceps group at the back of the thighs, calves, and
feet. A detailed assessment of the various muscle groups should
be made during the comparisons, at which time it helps the judge
to compare muscle shape, density, and definition while still
bearing in mind the competitor’s overall balanced development.
The comparisons of the compulsory poses cannot be overemphasized
as these comparisons will help the judge to decide
which competitor has the superior physique from the standpoint of
muscular bulk, balanced development, muscular density and
definition.
Front Double Biceps (see Figure 1)
Standing face front to the judges, with the legs and feet
in-line and a short distance apart, the competitor will raise
both arms to shoulder level and bend them at the elbows.
The hands should be clenched and turned down so as to
cause a contraction of the biceps and forearm muscles,
which are the main muscle groups that are to be assessed
in this pose. In addition, the competitor should attempt
to contract as many other muscles as possible as the
judges will be surveying the whole physique, from head to
toe.
The judge will first survey the biceps muscles looking for a
full, peaked development of the muscle, noting whether
or not there is a defined split between the anterior and
posterior sections of the biceps, and will continue the
head-to-toe survey by observing the development of the
forearms, deltoids, pectorals, pec-delt tie-ins, abdominals,
thighs, and calves. The judge will also look for muscle
density, definition, and overall balance.
Front Lat Spread (see Figure 2)
Standing face front to the judges, with the legs and feet a
short distance apart, the competitor will place the open
hands, or clenched fists, against, or gripping, the lower
waist or obliques and will expand the latissimus muscles.
At the same time, the competitor should attempt to
contract as many other frontal muscles as possible. It
shall be strictly forbidden for the competitor to pull up on
the posing trunks so as to show the top inside of the
quadriceps.
The judge should first see whether the competitor can
show a good spread of the latissimus muscles, thereby
creating a V-shaped torso. Then the judge should
continue with the head-to-foot survey, noting first the
general aspectsof the physique and then concentrating on
the more detailed aspects of the various muscle groups.
3. Side Chest (see Figure 3)
The competitor may choose either side for this pose, in
order to display the “better” arm. He will stand with his
left or right side towards the judges and will bend the arm
nearest the judges to a right-angle position, with the fist
clenched and, with the other hand, will grasp the wrist.
The leg nearest the judges will be bent at the knee and
will rest on the toes. The competitor will then expand the
chest and by upward pressure of the front bent arm and
contract the biceps as much as possible. He will also
contract the thigh muscles, in particular, the biceps
femoris group, and by downward pressure on his toes,
will display the contracted calf muscles.
The judge will pay particular attention to the pectoral
muscles and the arch of the rib cage, the biceps, the leg
biceps and the calves, and will conclude with the head-tofoot
examination. In this pose the judge will be able to
survey the thigh and calf muscles in profile, which will
help in grading their comparative development more
accurately.
Back Double Biceps (see Figure 4)
Standing with his back to the judges, the competitor will
bend the arms and wrists as in the Front Double Biceps
pose, and will place one foot back, resting on the toes.
He will then contract the arm muscles as well as the
muscles of the shoulders, upper and lower back, thigh
and calf muscles.
The judge will first survey the arm muscles and then do
the head-to-foot survey, during which there are more
muscle groups to look at than in all of the other poses.
This includes the neck, deltoids, biceps, triceps, forearm,
trapezius, teres, infraspinatus, erector spinae, external
obliques, latissimus dorsi, gluteus, thigh biceps, and
calves. This pose, probably more than the others, will
help the judge to determine the quality of the
competitor’s muscle density, definition, and overall
balance.
Back Lat Spread (see Figure 5)
Standing with his back to the judges, the competitor will
place his hands on his waist with his elbows kept wide,
one foot back and resting on the toes. He will then
contract the latissimus dorsi as wide as possible and
display a calf contraction by pressing downward on the
rear toes. The competitor should make an effort to
display the opposite calf to that which was displayed
during the back double biceps pose so the the judge may
assess both calf muscle equally. It shall be strictly
forbidden for the competitor to pull up on the posing
trunks so as to show the gluteus maximus muscles.
The judge will look for a good spread of the latissimus
dorsi, but also for good muscle density and will again
conclude with the head-to-foot survey.
6. Side Triceps (see Figure 6)
The competitor may choose either side for this pose so as
to show the “better” arm. He will stand with his left or
right side towards the judges and will place both arms
behind his back, either linking his fingers or grasping the
front arm by the wrist with his rear hand. The leg nearest
the judges will be bent at the knee and the foot will rest
flat on the floor. The competitor will exert pressure
against his front arm, thereby causing the triceps muscle
to contract. He will also raise the chest and contract the
abdominal muscles as well as the thigh and calf muscles.
The judge will first survey the triceps muscles, and
conclude with the head-to-foot examination. In this pose,
the judge will be able to survey the thigh and calf muscles
in profile, which will help in grading their comparative
development more accurately.
Abdominals and Thighs (see Figure 7)
Standing face front to the judges, the competitor will
place both arms behind the head and will place one leg
forward. He will then contract the abdominal muscles by
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“crunching” the trunk slightly forward. At the same time,
he will contract the thigh muscles of the forward leg.
The judge will survey the abdominal and thigh muscles,
and then conclude with the head-to-foot examination.
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I'll take the medium and large with a side order of fries to go. :P
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Why the guy on the left looks best ???
It is sad when Lee Priest the shortest guy looks the best.
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Dorian is not 5'9. He is a legit 5'10 or 5'11 ;D
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too bad dorian and fux look like fat blobs with those stomach. Lee at least has a great midsection. Though Fux does have insane size!
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Because Dorian only looked 3 months pregnant but Fux looked 8 months pregnant, hope this helps
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Lee and shawn ray look the best. fux,nasser and droian are just a bunch of fatsos
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Dorian beat Nasser in 1 pose of 7 compulsories, the RDB
Nasser is clearly killing Dorian in all the other mandatories
Everyone knows 94, 95, 96, 97 O's, yates got gifts
rightful winners
shawn 94 O
kevin 95 O
Nasser, 96 and 97
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The injustices re judging by the IFBB borders on criminal and is patently incompetent. How on earth can a guy with half a biceps win an Olympia? That is ludicrous. Whoever picked those judges should be fired. The judges who put Dorian ahead of Nasser should be put on a barge and abandoned outside the 200 mile limit at sea. No food or water to those knuckleheads.
The judging is bad enough without obvious bullshit. Someday the IFBB should apologize for injustices done over the years and some restitution and compensation effected to restore some credibility in that corrupt organization.
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Another "Bitter, more bitter, and, even more bitter!!.." thread. What's the use of complaining about past placings, over and over again, some kind of repeating therapy?! LOL
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there will only be one............ who the fuck says nassoil beats this pose?
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The injustices re judging by the IFBB borders on criminal and is patently incompetent. How on earth can a guy with half a biceps win an Olympia? That is ludicrous. Whoever picked those judges should be fired. The judges who put Dorian ahead of Nasser should be put on a barge and abandoned outside the 200 mile limit at sea. No food or water to those knuckleheads.
The judging is bad enough without obvious bullshit. Someday the IFBB should apologize for injustices done over the years and some restitution and compensation effected to restore some credibility in that corrupt organization.
very true and dorian was not only with half a bicep but also with a deformed tricep on the same arm so he was competing with only one arm.. the best bb on earth had one arm!!.. how come they didnt mark him down in all rounds.. it's funny also those judges didnt notice his tricep tear and knew about it only when dorian narrated what had happened in flex magazine!!.. or may be they noticed but didnt consider it a big deal!!..
and after being left with no food or water at sea they must be thrown in the sea with free weights tied around their bodies!!...
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The judges were sitting right up near the stage. You could drive a truck through the gap in Dorian's arm. They should test the eyesight of judges from now on!
BTW, I also tore a biceps so know how awful that is. I wouldn't compete with a torn biceps or pectoral.
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Another "Bitter, more bitter, and, even more bitter!!.." thread. What's the use of complaining about past placings, over and over again, some kind of repeating therapy?! LOL
Don't schmoe hate, appreciate
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Dorian beat Nasser in 1 pose of 7 compulsories, the RDB
Nasser is clearly killing Dorian in all the other mandatories
Everyone knows 94, 95, 96, 97 O's, yates got gifts
rightful winners
shawn 94 O
kevin 95 O
Nasser, 96 and 97
Agree.
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For some reason I thought this thread was going to be about cocks, but I clicked on it anyway. :-\
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For some reason I thought this thread was going to be about cocks, but I clicked on it anyway. :-\
so you like cocks??..
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Two fags arguing over two guys pictures taken at a beauty contest 15 years ago. You are pathetic...
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so you like cocks??..
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No my friend. That's where the joke is.
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Ronnie with The Big Show.
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Ronnie with The Big Show.
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now this is a XXXXL man :o
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Why is the guy in the middle Mr. O while the guy on the right never did any damage?
They have the exact same proportions and the same level of conditioning while the guy on the right is waaay bigger.
It's the glute/lower back conditioning where he carried a bit of water. Also although his gut only looked slightly shitty at that show, he quickly ballooned out of control like a super-bloated sack of shit.
He had an amazing back though and could have gone toe to toe with thebest for years if he hadn't ruined it so quickly. Aesthetically he did suck, but that may not have mattered.
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there will only be one............ who the fuck says nassoil beats this pose?
Worst arms on a Mr O ever. :-X
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Another "Bitter, more bitter, and, even more bitter!!.." thread. What's the use of complaining about past placings, over and over again, some kind of repeating therapy?! LOL
It's the only way with posttraumatic stress disorder.....
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Dorian beat Nasser in 1 pose of 7 compulsories, the RDB
Nasser is clearly killing Dorian in all the other mandatories
Everyone knows 94, 95, 96, 97 O's, yates got gifts
rightful winners
shawn 94 O
kevin 95 O
Nasser, 96 and 97
Says who? you? everyone I know has Yates as the clear winner, only controversy was 97 and Yates was still killing Nasser from behind so I say 50 50 only for that year
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Why is the guy in the middle Mr. O while the guy on the right never did any damage?
They have the exact same proportions and the same level of conditioning while the guy on the right is waaay bigger.
It's called "charisma" ~ of which Dorian had plenty of, much like Arnie. He had already won before he even posed.