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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: purenaturalstrength on December 03, 2011, 06:21:21 AM
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The theories sound so compelling. Break the muscle down, build it back up with over compensation
muscular adaptation
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Is this rhetorical? It does work, we just have limited adaptive capabilities!
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since when working out naturally "doesnt work" ie doesnt enhance muscle mass/ improve fitness and well being ? You must do something wrong.
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since when working out naturally "doesnt work" ie doesnt enhance muscle mass/ improve fitness and well being ? You must do something wrong.
how do I do it right?
I stay the same size always
When I eat more I just get fatter I don't even get heavier somehow
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how do I do it right?
I stay the same size always
When I eat more I just get fatter I don't even get heavier somehow
When you eat more, do your training loads increase?
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PNS, you've been doing some good tinychimp owning lately, keep it up.
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how do I do it right?
I stay the same size always
When I eat more I just get fatter I don't even get heavier somehow
pics?
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PNS, you've been doing some good tinychimp owning lately, keep it up.
Wazntme but, last time I checked 152 people want him dead
http://webpolls.hanzo.eu/poll,137836,aujS.html
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Girls and sons who have not been loved by their fathers seek attention once teens and adults to compensate for what they didnt have originally. Fathers either left them alone, or were distant most of the time and not encouraging them. Some even despised them which would shape their personality and the way they d interact with others for the rest of their life.
They are extremistic in everything they do, always looking exageratly for attention, and have troubles adapting to society's rules, because they also have troubles defining their own identity and respecting authority and hierarchy.
Also boys who got picked on by others during childhood and adolescence -often sons without a father figure- try to compensate by lifting weights, to develop muscles and survive in ther male world. They re insecure because they re girly, childish, feminine having been raised by a single mom. They lift obsessively hoping it will transform them into men, to compensate for their lack of influence from a father figure that was not there. Unfortunaltey they can get as big as they can it doesnt cure their insecurity and who they truly are, how they grew up being raised by a single mom. They re no as manly as other men whatever they do, and they often have a big lack of masculine presence they dont know how to balance, hence often being borderline homosexuals while trying to get their manhood back thru various manly activities (mma, cars, weight lifting etc). They are often the ones that, in order to get respect from other males will go the steroids route to get even "bigger" attemptint to cure their insecurity , but being natural not being "enough", they still feel "too small", insecure, amongst other males. The lack of a father figure also often means they didnt have guidance to continue studies and are often working shitty manual jobs.
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Girls and sons who have not been loved by their fathers seek attention once teens and adults to compensate for what they didnt have originally. Fathers either left them alone, or were distant most of the time and not encouraging them. Some even despised them which would shape their personality and the way they d interact with others for the rest of their life.
They are extremistic in everything they do, always looking exageratly for attention, and have troubles adapting to society's rules, because they also have troubles defining their own identity and respecting authority and hierarchy.
Also boys who got picked on by others during childhood and adolescence -often sons without a father figure- try to compensate by lifting weights, to develop muscles and survive in ther male world. They re insecure because they re girly, childish, feminine having been raised by a single mom. They lift obsessively hoping it will transform them into men, to compensate for their lack of influence from a father figure that was not there. Unfortunaltey they can get as big as they can it doesnt cure their insecurity and who they truly are, how they grew up being raised by a single mom. They re no as manly as other men whatever they do, and they often have a big lack of masculine presence they dont know how to balance, hence often being borderline homosexuals while trying to get their manhood back thru various manly activities (mma, cars, weight lifting etc). They are often the ones that, in order to get respect from other males will go the steroids route to get even "bigger" attemptint to cure their insecurity , but being natural not being "enough", they still feel "too small", insecure, amongst other males. The lack of a father figure also often means they didnt have guidance to continue studies and are often working shitty manual jobs.
LOL
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Girls and sons who have not been loved by their fathers seek attention once teens and adults to compensate for what they didnt have originally. Fathers either left them alone, or were distant most of the time and not encouraging them. Some even despised them which would shape their personality and the way they d interact with others for the rest of their life.
They are extremistic in everything they do, always looking exageratly for attention, and have troubles adapting to society's rules, because they also have troubles defining their own identity and respecting authority and hierarchy.
Also boys who got picked on by others during childhood and adolescence -often sons without a father figure- try to compensate by lifting weights, to develop muscles and survive in ther male world. They re insecure because they re girly, childish, feminine having been raised by a single mom. They lift obsessively hoping it will transform them into men, to compensate for their lack of influence from a father figure that was not there. Unfortunaltey they can get as big as they can it doesnt cure their insecurity and who they truly are, how they grew up being raised by a single mom. They re no as manly as other men whatever they do, and they often have a big lack of masculine presence they dont know how to balance, hence often being borderline homosexuals while trying to get their manhood back thru various manly activities (mma, cars, weight lifting etc). They are often the ones that, in order to get respect from other males will go the steroids route to get even "bigger" attemptint to cure their insecurity , but being natural not being "enough", they still feel "too small", insecure, amongst other males. The lack of a father figure also often means they didnt have guidance to continue studies and are often working shitty manual jobs.
this cant be repeated enough.
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Elegant, smart, faithful, educated enough women coming from stable families are taught by their fathers and mothers not to date losers (sons abandonned by their fathers and badly raised by single moms) because they mean troubles. They can detect them from a mile.
Yet, they can recognize such a guy who wants to better himself and give him a chance. They can have pity for a guy whose parents separated and offer him the opportunity to repair his past. But if you shit on this oportunity, you re the worst asshole ever, period.
When your father left your mother and condemend both you and sisters/brothers and mother to a lot of pain and the terrible possibility of reproducing what he exposed you to, you better not listening to him anymore.
Just aim for a girl who s working while studying, isnt superificial, is down to earth, has family values and knows how to be a caring mother for both her man and eventual kids. Teach her sex (balanced sexual acts, not extremistic shit, do not search to perform, casual normal sex with love is what lasts the longest) , how to get in shape and go thru life together. You re wasting your time if you dont.
Stay balanced, quit the extremes. Lots of hapiness to be found in sincere, prosaic, everyday stable love. But it requires a lot of courage and sacrifices.
Women just like what is balanced, what is not extreme, as it means you re able to adapt to everything = maximum odds of survival. They want a guy with a good job, but that doenst take too much time, who earns good money but wont care only about material goods, who s muscular but not too much, who s nice, but not too much, who s a beast in bed most of the time but adapt to their feelings on the moment, who will force them to suck his hard veiny cock some times until they moan like babies, but will lick their clit at others... who will cuddle but not too much, who will not hesitate to slap them once in a while when they go overboard but will also discuss with them when they re depressed...who has friends and spend time socializing with them but not too much and who will also care about her and kids... Who will be nice to kids, but not too nice either and will teach them respect...
This is how it truly works. Balance. It is perfection in people minds. It is maximum capacity of adaptation, maximum odds of survival whatever happens. Extremes are repulsive to most.
And, men want exactly the same thing of a woman.
Men dont give a fuck if a woman earns a good income, her place is in the kitchen, in the gym, and in kids sleeping room. Sometimes woman can go visit one or two good old reliable friends to socialize -if they think like your man does-, and maybe your parents -when they re not in conflict with your man's views-, but that's about it. Woman, You re suposed to have enough time to take care of the house,kids and most importantly your man.
Also wether a woman works 20 hour s a week at the local walmart or is a business executive working 60 hours a week -and neglecting kids and husband- doesnt matter the least to men. Actually i dont know any man who enjoys his woman earns more than him or sacrify time spent with him and/or kids to focus on a ''career''. Women are not suposed to have a career. Only power hungry women who want to dominate men do.
Some women get it right, and accept their condition. They re called happy women. Women are here to help men, men are here to dominate women in a benevolent way. We re not talking about unhealthy domination. It s about teaching them life. Men are teachers for women and kids.
Love cannot be found in emotionless, casual sex which is an addiction that never fulfils men and women who ve been designed to create a stable, happy family. Sex is for reproduction and then to keep men and women together (if sexual life is satysfying between them) so they ll raise kids in peace until they can leave home by themselves. If women cannot provide fulfiling sex to their men then everything will collapse. Most of the time they cant cause they havent been taught by their mothers/grandmothers how to handle this part of life. The other extreme is women who only are good at sex but nothing else much and always want to dominate men but cannot become mothers.
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Haha ;D ;D
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read that entire wall of text but it's all general knowledge
nothing to see here
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Yeah, we know, we re all short, small or/and skinny kids / men on here with no father figures, raised by single mothers who struggle in life and think that looking like arnold s will make us happy until we understand life is about so much more than this. Some will eventually grow out of it as they age finding some guidance, and a lot of others will be stuck in this immature , autistic obsession of wanting to become ''bigger'' at all costs, to compensate for the fact they had no father figure, a weak confidence, low self esteem deeply embeded in them as a result, and that's assuming there arent other weaknesses like being short/being unintelligent, uneducated, or having a small cock/being fugly, at play simultaenously.
Some guys are obsessed by big muscles and ''strong father'' (roided actors, super heroes etc) figures because it gives them what they didnt have, what they dont have being raised by a single mother and few or no father figure at all during childhood and adolescence. They spend their whole life attempting to regain their virility that has been shut down forever by the lack of a caring father. They re often extremistic in everything they do, in the way they think, have psycho behavorial troubles, because basically they have a personnality that is too feminine. They try to hide it by overcompensating exagerely adopting looks and attitudes that they hope will hide the fact they re weak minded pansies.
Sons raised by decent fathers are balanced, have less difficulties adaptating to the real world and are more mature sooner, dont fall for most of life's traps as they re constantly and correctly adivsed by their fathers. Others just spend their whole life trying to get what they didnt have , hitting all the walls at full speed one after another. A lot dont see their 50s.
Yes, lifting weights can be good for health and sex appeal, but it doesnt change the fact that life is about so much more than just being muscular to impress people who most of the time dont give a fuck about muscles. Intelligence, money, power are what's important. Being loved by signifcant ones is what s important. Contributing, giving as much as you receive, is what's important. Your pathetic muscles are only 1 % of what life is about. And newsflashs; there s always someone bigger than you and there s a new sucker without a father figure born every second who will attempt to compensate by getting bigger than everyone else.
Yes, spending your life caring only about your muscles means there is something wrong with you. Yes it borders on homosexuality. Yes most men without a father figure are obsessive about muscles , theirs, and other men muscles because they want to become that perfect dad they never had, and want more than anything that love they never had, even if it means for some taking another old man s cock in their ass, one excess leading to another. Considering most sons without a father become manual workers and dont earn a lot of money, have no serious studies, education, they stagnate in the lower, nastier layers of the social pyramid and are more prone to do the stupidest, gayest shit to survive, they become filthy indivduals who only adapt by backstabing others every chance they get, that s what they learnt from the interactions between their own family members when they were young.
You can enjoy a healthy lifestyle, practise physical conditionning without being extremistic, obsessive about it and caring about others as much as you care about yourself. You can be balanced, and exist for others things that are more important at the same time than just being focused on your appearance. But it takes a sane, healhty, guided mind to do so, something very few have because they come from dysfunctonnal families with no or poor father figures.
Considering there s a growing number of sons raised by single mothers, the bodybuilding industry (homos, supplement and steroids dealers)have a nice future.
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"Natural" bodybuilding sounds to be very healthy, but in fact it's a contradiction..
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You can be a bodybuilder without drugs and live a healthy, well balanced lifestyle.
BUT, EXTREME drug use is required to be the best in the biggest league of the sport.
So, the best guys will move in that direction in order to be a pro .
Over 90% of those that lift will never have the talent to be good bodybuilders,regardless of drugs.
Even on drugs, the avg guy will simply be a bigger but still unimpressive bodybuilder overall.
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You can be a bodybuilder without drugs and live a healthy, well balanced lifestyle.
BUT, EXTREME drug use is required to be the best in the biggest league of the sport.
So, the best guys will move in that direction in order to be a pro .
Over 90% of those that lift will never have the talent to be good bodybuilders,regardless of drugs.
Even on drugs, the avg guy will simply be a bigger but still unimpressive bodybuilder overall.
Holy shit, did you forget to take your quadruple dose of retard pills this morning? :o
Pretty spot on other than the first sentence. You can't be a natural bodybuilder. You can just be a schmoe that doesn't use drugs but for some strange reason hangs out in the gym a lot. It's creepy. You get to a point where you realize you need hormonas to progress. And it's only the weirdos that keep trying to lift hardcore but stay natural.
There's always a troupe of weird ass natural dudes that show up in the gym like clockwork. They're always slamming protein shakes, talking about creatine and their bodybuilding idols whom they believe are truly natural. These guys are hilarious. They make guys like me look like a God in the gym. 8)
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the weirdos that keep trying to lift hardcore but stay natural.
like me :-\
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how do I do it right?
I stay the same size always
When I eat more I just get fatter I don't even get heavier somehow
How much more do you eat + how does your routine look like?
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like me :-\
Yeah, bro. :-\
You can look good as a natural, but you can't look GREAT. And you can build up a decent foundation naturally too, but you can't be a bodybuilder. The body's natural limit is too low. It doesn't want to carry sheaths of muscle, nor can it unless you augment your training regimen with glorious, glorious hormonas. ;D
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How much more do you eat + how does your routine look like?
one meal more of about 600-700calories
routine goes like
MONDAY:
5x5 squat
1x5 bench press
5x5 barbell row
weighted situps
WEDNESDAY:
5x5 light squats or no squats depending on recovery
1x5 deadlift
5x5 military press
3x6-8 weighted pull ups
5x5 standing calf raise
3x8-12 seated calf raise
Friday
1x5 squat
5x5 bench
1x5barbell row
3x6-8 weighted dips
3x5 preacher curls
3x6-8 skull crushers
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one meal more of about 600-700calories
routine goes like
MONDAY:
5x5 squat
1x5 bench press
5x5 barbell row
weighted situps
WEDNESDAY:
5x5 light squats or no squats depending on recovery
1x5 deadlift
5x5 military press
3x6-8 weighted pull ups
5x5 standing calf raise
3x8-12 seated calf raise
Friday
1x5 squat
5x5 bench
1x5barbell row
3x6-8 weighted dips
3x5 preacher curls
3x6-8 skull crushers
600+ kcals seems too much. Such a huge surplus every day will be stored as fat unless you're very active and then you'll just burn off the extra.
Try finding your basic calorie line. If you're below you'll feel depleted and weak. The trick is to go a hair above what's really needed which will keep you strong and !slowly! growing.
Rotate the set x rep scheme.
Cruise from 5x5 - 4x6 - 3x7 - 3x8 every 8 weeks. Of course you need to recalc the weights - tonnage stays the same.
Keep an endurance unit every day of the week - 15-20 min. where you give your body a way to handle higher workloads. If you're not in the mood for "cardio" then just do your barbell training regime from start to finish with an empty bar.
Lack of endurance, or GPP as Louie calls it, can dampen your progress.
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Yeah, bro. :-\
You can look good as a natural, but you can't look GREAT. And you can build up a decent foundation naturally too, but you can't be a bodybuilder. The body's natural limit is too low. It doesn't want to carry sheaths of muscle, nor can it unless you augment your training regimen with glorious, glorious hormonas. ;D
Yep, the human body is not made to look like a bber---it limits the function of the body...
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600+ kcals seems too much. Such a huge surplus every day will be stored as fat unless you're very active and then you'll just burn off the extra.
Try finding your basic calorie line. If you're below you'll feel depleted and weak. The trick is to go a hair above what's really needed which will keep you strong and !slowly! growing.
Rotate the set x rep scheme.
Cruise from 5x5 - 4x6 - 3x7 - 3x8 every 8 weeks. Of course you need to recalc the weights - tonnage stays the same.
Keep an endurance unit every day of the week - 15-20 min. where you give your body a way to handle higher workloads. If you're not in the mood for "cardio" then just do your barbell training regime from start to finish with an empty bar.
Lack of endurance, or GPP as Louie calls it, can dampen your progress.
yes it is very hard to get it right, i mean i dont want to be an obsessive compulsive douchebag weighing food etc or is that really required?
cardio every day, that would require me to do it right before or after my workouts on monday, wednesday and friday. is that really advisable after killing your legs with 5x5 squats on monday?
is sticking to the same rep set scheme too long a huge mistake?
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one meal more of about 600-700calories
routine goes like
MONDAY:
5x5 squat
1x5 bench press
5x5 barbell row
weighted situps
WEDNESDAY:
5x5 light squats or no squats depending on recovery
1x5 deadlift
5x5 military press
3x6-8 weighted pull ups
5x5 standing calf raise
3x8-12 seated calf raise
Friday
1x5 squat
5x5 bench
1x5barbell row
3x6-8 weighted dips
3x5 preacher curls
3x6-8 skull crushers
Looks like an enhanced texas method.
But that's for intermediates.
You've signalled that you're more advanced than that to the points that your gains have stopped.
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yes it is very hard to get it right, i mean i dont want to be an obsessive compulsive douchebag weighing food etc or is that really required?
cardio every day, that would require me to do it right before or after my workouts on monday, wednesday and friday. is that really advisable after killing your legs with 5x5 squats on monday?
is sticking to the same rep set scheme too long a huge mistake?
Just do some light intensity cardio. I like walking on the treadmill at a speed of 3.5 and I jack up the incline hardcore. It gets my legs super pumped up and gets me sweating, but it's not so much that it thrashes my body and kills recovery. It helps recovery big time. You just need to find a balance.
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Looks like an enhanced texas method.
But that's for intermediates.
You've signalled that you're more advanced than that to the points that your gains have stopped.
I got it from the website that was explaining dual factor pendley or something
it would have 5 weeks of "volume" which is the routine i presented
then it would have 4 weeks or so "deloading and intensification phase" where the volume is reduced and the intensity (weight % of max) is increased
i tried it and lost strength by the day on the "deloading and intensification phase" so i decided to stay on the "volume phase" even tho it's "harder"
see programming here http://stronglifts.com/madcow/5x5_Program/Periodized_5x5.htm
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Just do some light intensity cardio. I like walking on the treadmill at a speed of 3.5 and I jack up the incline hardcore. It gets my legs super pumped up and gets me sweating, but it's not so much that it thrashes my body and kills recovery. It helps recovery big time. You just need to find a balance.
so do you do it after your weights or before?
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I got it from the website that was explaining dual factor pendley or something
it would have 5 weeks of "volume" which is the routine i presented
then it would have 4 weeks or so "deloading and intensification phase" where the volume is reduced and the intensity (weight % of max) is increased
i tried it and lost strength by the day on the "deloading and intensification phase" so i decided to stay on the "volume phase" even tho it's "harder"
yeah, these are the methods pendley and rippetoe designed.
May I ask what your goal is?
If you're looking to increase your strength., like I said, that programme is for intermediates and it's more likely to overtrain you than anything else. Have a look at rippetore's books, especially Programming Practice, he recommends specific programmes for advanced lifters.
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yeah, these are the methods pendley and rippetoe designed.
May I ask what your goal is?
If you're looking to increase your strength., like I said, that programme is for intermediates and it's more likely to overtrain you than anything else. Have a look at rippetore's books, especially Programming Practice, he recommends specific programmes for advanced lifters.
Goal is to get big and strong but I absolutely hate the "milos approach" as I call it, the way bodybuilders talk about "it's not about how much you lift but look like you can lift" or "train smart not heavy" or "squeeze the contraction, dont use the power" i absolutely HATE it (even if they are right i dont care really i hate it that much)
that's why I am inclined to powerlifting methodology even tho I care about size as much as about strength
I wouldn't say I'm advanced, my best bench is 5x115kg and best squat ("high bar full depth" without belt or knee sleeves) is 6x160kg
but my bench regresses often
last friday i was struggling with 100-105kg for 5 ....
squat however seems not to regress without reasonable outside factors or excuses squat seems to respond to hard hard training
bench is just wtf man
yes i will look into that programming book because following a fixed template to a T may not be the ultimate way forward
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Less calories
More exercises + more reps
Quality clean food except on the weekend
Train fucking hard,don`t just go through the motions
Feel the muscle work....don`t be obsessed with lifting mega- heavy weight
Use intensity techniques such as Super-Sets,Drop-Sets,Rest Pause etc.
Do low intensity cardio for 30 minutes 4 X a week (walk on inclined treadmill at brisk pace)
Train like your life depended on it
Stay leaner
Good luck,but don`t plan on looking like one of the top guys in a national level show or an IFBB pro.
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Good luck,but don`t plan on looking like one of the top guys in a national level show or an IFBB pro.
All I ever wanted was to look like this Chinese dude in my gym with a 43cm arm at 172cm height super lean great upperbody all together
I was about 14 when I first saw him, now almost 10 years later he's still the same and I'm also still the same :(
swears he's natural and only consumes 70 grams of protein a day he said
I guess what I'm saying is I didn't think I had such unreasonable goals trying to look up to a supposed natural in my local gym
but maybe i did :-\
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All I ever wanted was to look like this Chinese dude in my gym with a 43cm arm at 172cm height super lean great upperbody all together
I was about 14 when I first saw him, now almost 10 years later he's still the same and I'm also still the same :(
swears he's natural and only consumes 70 grams of protein a day he said
I guess what I'm saying is I didn't think I had such unreasonable goals trying to look up to a supposed natural in my local gym
but maybe i did :-\
Dude,get busy and go to war on the weights and the food.
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wes laying some truth/knowledge...
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All I ever wanted was to look like this Chinese dude in my gym with a 43cm arm at 172cm height super lean great upperbody all together
I'm afraid you will never look Chinese...
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Dude,get busy and go to war on the weights and the food.
i've been doing that since i was 14 and it didnt work ???
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i've been doing that since i was 14 and it didnt work ???
Surely you couldn't lift the weights you mentioned before when you were 14....
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Surely you couldn't lift the weights you mentioned before when you were 14....
i mean it didnt work to get arms and upperbody like that china man
and he said he was very quickly like that took him only a few years and by 25 he was swole as hell
he said the doctor tested his blood and his natural test is sky high that's why
i was like "not sure if serious" but i'm not a doctor!
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first of all raymon u can stop postign that shit it's getting annoying
second natural bodybuilding shouldn;t work, the body tries to stay the same as much as it can, it treis to keep homeostasis, the body doesn't adapt like people think it should, it's simply not that sophisticated. if it changes it all, it's despite its own best efforts to stay the same
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first of all raymon u can stop postign that shit it's getting annoying
second natural bodybuilding shouldn;t work, the body tries to stay the same as much as it can, it treis to keep homeostasis, the body doesn't adapt like people think it should, it's simply not that sophisticated. if it changes it all, it's despite its own best efforts to stay the same
You have to be the impetus that makes the body change.
I wish I could see PNS training to see if he really knows what hard training is.
I`m not saying he doesn`t,but I`ve seen so many guys who say they train hard and they aren`t even scratching the surface.
I`m talking intensity,no talking,all out effort, all the time........fun time comes later when the training is done.......after all you paid for a membership,why waste your money.
Too many fucks wander around talking in the gym then complain how they can`t gain or make progress.
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apply, didn't read ;)
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You have to be the impetus that makes the body change.
I wish I could see PNS training to see if he really knows what hard training is.
I`m not saying he doesn`t,but I`ve seen so many guys who say they train hard and they aren`t even scratching the surface.
I`m talking intensity,no talking,all out effort, all the time........fun time comes later when the training is done.......after all you paid for a membership,why waste your money.
Too many fucks wander around talking in the gym then complain how they can`t gain or make progress.
you better believe it
people don't think i will make the first set of my 5x5 squats usually and at the end of the 5 sets they will say i'm crazy will get a brain aneurysm
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you better believe it
people don't think i will make the first set of my 5x5 squats usually and at the end of the 5 sets they will say i'm crazy will get a brain aneurysm
Cool,just trying to verbally light a fire under your ass.
Never quit dude!!
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second natural bodybuilding shouldn;t work, the body tries to stay the same as much as it can, it treis to keep homeostasis, the body doesn't adapt like people think it should, it's simply not that sophisticated. if it changes it all, it's despite its own best efforts to stay the same
if this is true and it could very well be
then natural bodybuilding is quite literally the dumbest sport ever
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Cool,just trying to verbally light a fire under your ass.
Never quit dude!!
was never planning to quit
can anyone ellaborate on that "practical programming" book by riptoe?
is it good? i real he benched 396 as his alltime best and he used steroids so not sure if that's all too impressive
best book I own is "beyond brawn" but it's all over the place and repetitive unstructured
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so do you do it after your weights or before?
I do it before. I know that was always criticized but it's light intensity, and barely enough to get myself sweating.
I don't like doing it after because it diverts blood from the muscles I just worked. Once I finish the weights I just want to get home to eat and shower.
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Yeah, bro. :-\
You can look good as a natural, but you can't look GREAT. And you can build up a decent foundation naturally too, but you can't be a bodybuilder. The body's natural limit is too low. It doesn't want to carry sheaths of muscle, nor can it unless you augment your training regimen with glorious, glorious hormonas. ;D
Define great... Achieving the maximum muscle mass you can naturally is looking great to me, wether you re an ecto, endo or meso. And im not even implying you should be watching your diet. But again it's clearely easier for ectos and mesos than it is for endos, that's a fact. Endos are genetically programmed to transform everything they eat into fat while ectos burn everything, and mesos have the best of both worlds, they build muscles faster than others and dont store fat like endos do.
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LOL with the flex science.
fat french fucker asking for steroids, also a fact :)
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LOL with the flex science.
fat french fucker asking for steroids, also a fact :)
oh snap
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how do I do it right?
I stay the same size always
When I eat more I just get fatter I don't even get heavier somehow
one word, homeostasis. the naturals number 1 enemy
and i get to say for the very first time
NO (http://www.freejunknstuff.com/hom.gif)
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"Natural" bodybuilding sounds to be very healthy, but in fact it's a contradiction..
only when preparing for a show. otherwise it is the epitome of health.
ok i should say on second thought, the natural bb lifestyle.
i stand corrected self pwned (http://www.freejunknstuff.com/fork.gif) anyway
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LOL with the flex science.
fat french fucker asking for steroids, also a fact :)
it's a bad photoshop work, i never wrote this "pm".
Poor loser leafy made it up after i posted a screenshot of one of his private message he sent me, which is this time, genuine;
(http://i51.tinypic.com/2py3ibr.jpg)
You can tell his screenshot is a photoshop as the font size is bolder than it should be and also by noticing he applied a blur effect on it to smooth the whole thing. Quite pathetic if you ask me. But not surprising from such a mentaly troubled kid who got hurt cause i posted the strange stuff he wrote to me hoping i would "help him".
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only when preparing for a show. otherwise it is the epitome of health.
ok i should say on second thought, the natural bb lifestyle.
i stand corrected self pwned (http://www.freejunknstuff.com/fork.gif) anyway
epitome of health would require one to eat a lot less calories and carbs to slow the aging process
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epitome of health would require one to eat a lot less calories and carbs to slow the aging process
X2 best health is the lowest healthy weight, meaning very little muscle... :-\
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Yeah, bro. :-\
You can look good as a natural, but you can't look GREAT. And you can build up a decent foundation naturally too, but you can't be a bodybuilder. The body's natural limit is too low. It doesn't want to carry sheaths of muscle, nor can it unless you augment your training regimen with glorious, glorious hormonas. ;D
pure horseshit. proven by the fact even when my old ass goes
thru the mall in a tanktop, motherfuckers get out of my way
my genetics are so bad I make a better rock than a swimmer
but i am a competitive bodybuilder.
speaking of which where the fuck are my stars. here's my scoresheet
http://www.freejunkstuff.com/scoresheet.jpg
i am david molle. i came in second.
to last and I demand my stars ::) :P
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it's a bad photoshop work, i never wrote this "pm".
Poor loser leafy made it up after i posted a screenshot of one of his private message he sent me, which is this time, genuine;
(http://i51.tinypic.com/2py3ibr.jpg)
You can tell his screenshot is a photoshop as the font size is bolder than it should be and also by noticing he applied a blur effect on it to smooth the whole thing. Quite pathetic if you ask me. But not surprising from such a mentaly troubled kid who got hurt cause i posted the strange stuff he wrote to me hoping i would "help him".
Clicking image properties on that picture shows that it's someone else who has been using photoshop....
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I guess getting dumped by your bitch for being a fat ass did a number to your head... explains how you came up with that crackpot drivel you've been posting.
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so you re a gimick of leafy?
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The theories sound so compelling. Break the muscle down, build it back up with over compensation
muscular adaptation
Well, it DOES work that way. But only a little.... ;D
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pure horseshit. proven by the fact even when my old ass goes
thru the mall in a tanktop, motherfuckers get out of my way
my genetics are so bad I make a better rock than a swimmer
but i am a competitive bodybuilder.
speaking of which where the fuck are my stars. here's my scoresheet
http://www.freejunkstuff.com/scoresheet.jpg
i am david molle. i came in second.
to last and I demand my stars ::) :P
I don't give a shit about your scoresheet, chief.
Do you think I should counter with a text message from my grandmother who told me I'm the most handsome man in the world? Post pics or STFU.
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epitome of health would require one to eat a lot less calories and carbs to slow the aging process
slowing aging is bro science.
good health demands you eat a diet rich in fats carbs and protein.
Ive gone from 235 this year to 187 this morning and i eat like a mofo
and i am not blessed with genetics, fast metabolism, nothing.
being a drug free lifter, bodybuilder even a competitor, doesn't require
you be small. that is only the eyes of bro science and retarded druggies
who will never have the balls to diet and get on stage.
a bodybuilding lifestyle to me, is to be constantly preparing for my next show.
there may never be a next but it's what i have passion for and it is what drives
me forward. it is the most important thing in my life, that i can live this lifestyle
if you are not going to get on stage, get all of this bullshit bro science
you carry around, out of your minds.
if you have true passion for the lifestyle this will make sense to you
and fuck what anyone else thinks.
wanna know what "anyone" else thinks, put on a tank top and walk the mall.
the "bros" will get the fuck out of your way
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I don't give a shit about your scoresheet, chief.
Do you think I should counter with a text message from my grandmother who told me I'm the most handsome man in the world? Post pics or STFU.
my pics from 4 weeks out are on this site. they are all i have
from that time. i am nothing special. i have said i make a better
rock than a swimmer let alone a bodybuilder.
no need to mention your grandma.
if she is alive, celebrate that fact. my folks are dead so lets
leave other than ourselves out of the conversation.
i'm thinking your above that
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Less calories
More exercises + more reps
Quality clean food except on the weekend
Train fucking hard,don`t just go through the motions
Feel the muscle work....don`t be obsessed with lifting mega- heavy weight
Use intensity techniques such as Super-Sets,Drop-Sets,Rest Pause etc.
Do low intensity cardio for 30 minutes 4 X a week (walk on inclined treadmill at brisk pace)
Train like your life depended on it
Stay leaner
Good luck,but don`t plan on looking like one of the top guys in a national level show or an IFBB pro.
Arrr....you do realize he is still natural?
More exercises + more reps
Quality clean food except on the weekend
Train fucking hard,don`t just go through the motions
Maybe if your goal is to get injured or overtrain then yeah...I would so do that.
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it's a bad photoshop work, i never wrote this "pm".
Poor loser leafy made it up after i posted a screenshot of one of his private message he sent me, which is this time, genuine;
(http://i51.tinypic.com/2py3ibr.jpg)
Clicking image properties on that picture shows that it's someone else who has been using photoshop....
so you re a gimick of leafy?
I guess I'm his gimmick too ::)
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I guess I'm his gimmick too ::)
TOTAL PWNAGE
he won't recover
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Arrr....you do realize he is still natural?
Maybe if your goal is to get injured or overtrain then yeah...I would so do that.
Not if he eats correctly.
He`s doing 5x5.......that`s not the greatest thing as far as hypertrophy goes.......more for building power.
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Not if he eats correctly.
He`s doing 5x5.......that`s not the greatest thing as far as hypertrophy goes.......more for building power.
I think you will back me up on this. to be a natural bodybuilder, one who is always
in search for that extra millameter of size or half pound of strength,
involves the risk of getting hurt and possibly bad. we aint doing our joints
any favors as it is.
you and i train completely opposite styles of one another. but i think you will agree
we both know that when we hit the gym
there is but one path,
WE KILL THEM ALL.
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i've been doing that since i was 14 and it didnt work ???
That mark ripetard 5x5 shit is never going to make anything grow apart from your legs, look how pathetic the kids on bodybuilding.com look who worship that fat old bearded douchebag
as a natural you'll never really look like a bodybuilder but you need a ton more volume, higher reps, slower reps and a lot more upper body and arm work
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Unfortunately, he does recommend huge diet surpluses (GOMAD, lol), which is why kids on the starting strength program gain just a respectable amount of fat along with their muscle.
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I guess I'm his gimmick too ::)
the fuck are you talking about? i made a screenshot, pasted it into photoshop, cropped it and saved it as a jpeg and uploaded it to tinypic... Doesnt mean i modified it... At the oposite, this is exactly what this loser did; he took a message from someone and copy and pasted the pic of my avatar and my nickname on the left to replace the original poster identity and voilą, simply to save face cause i posted his weirdo question to me.
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volume kills naturals who don't have genetics for uber recovery.
the average man has average genetics. means you a swimmer.
and you can look like a bodybuilder. just not some pathetic
drug addicted headed to the prison dyalisis ward gh15 believing moron.
more arms and upper body? if in doubt what to train at a particular
session then do either back or legs. back or legs back or legs.
arms and upper body is vague. back or legs back or legs.
train the areas where the most muscle is or should could would be.
only imho of 20+ years in the emm errrr sport
yea
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I think you will back me up on this. to be a natural bodybuilder, one who is always
in search for that extra millameter of size or half pound of strength,
involves the risk of getting hurt and possibly bad. we aint doing our joints
any favors as it is.
you and i train completely opposite styles of one another. but i think you will agree
we both know that when we hit the gym
there is but one path,
WE KILL THEM ALL.
Exactly,no fucking around in the gym.
Stop complaining and give homeostasis a kick in the ass,or take up checkers instead. :)
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That mark ripetard 5x5 shit is never going to make anything grow apart from your legs, look how pathetic the kids on bodybuilding.com look who worship that fat old bearded douchebag
as a natural you'll never really look like a bodybuilder but you need a ton more volume, higher reps, slower reps and a lot more upper body and arm work
^THIS^
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That mark ripetard 5x5 shit is never going to make anything grow apart from your legs, look how pathetic the kids on bodybuilding.com look who worship that fat old bearded douchebag
as a natural you'll never really look like a bodybuilder but you need a ton more volume, higher reps, slower reps and a lot more upper body and arm work
they all do ridiculous high volume bodypart split routines
brb 14 sets for arms
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no sorry i don't believe in the milos approach some of you are suggesting
why?
because I put it to the test for about a year, gained nothing and lost a lot of strength
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no sorry i don't believe in the milos approach some of you are suggesting
why?
because I put it to the test for about a year, gained nothing and lost a lot of strength
Because you didn't have any hormones in your system, you moran, what do you expect? ::)
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Because you didn't have any hormones in your system, you moran, what do you expect? ::)
fuck i hate this bodybuild shit nowadays
why did flex magazine feed me so many lies when I was 14
goddamnit
and that milos cock sucker and charles glass with their homo routines
goddamnit
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fuck i hate this bodybuild shit nowadays
why did flex magazine feed me so many lies when I was 14
goddamnit
and that milos cock sucker and charles glass with their homo routines
goddamnit
Calm down, mate.
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no sorry i don't believe in the milos approach some of you are suggesting
why?
because I put it to the test for about a year, gained nothing and lost a lot of strength
then you either have to use hormonas to compensate or accept you'll never get any bigger than you are now. If you can't grow on a bodybuilding regime then God didn't mean for you to have large muscles.
I stopped chasing big numbers when I got hurt too much... and like b-boy said, getting hurt and having to use lighter weights and more pump volume is the best thing for getting bigger (when geared obviously)
Danta Strudel claims you need to keep getting stronger but that only works to a certain point even on hormonas, and those squats and deadlifts are very draining to the body and probably draining your recovery that could be used on upper body
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fuck i hate this bodybuild shit nowadays
why did flex magazine feed me so many lies when I was 14
goddamnit
and that milos cock sucker and charles glass with their homo routines
goddamnit
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-m6HKqV83kIw/TbSzN3prtNI/AAAAAAAAAGM/KUdzyX9uORg/s1600/I+know+that+feel+bro.png)
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(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-m6HKqV83kIw/TbSzN3prtNI/AAAAAAAAAGM/KUdzyX9uORg/s1600/I+know+that+feel+bro.png)
:D
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Because you didn't have any hormones in your system, you moran, what do you expect? ::)
^THAT^
problem is the younger guys are just like i was and the drug
user protocols is all we had to follow. some never figure it out.
the rest of us try to be the best swimmers we can (http://www.freejunknstuff.com/laf.gif)
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then you either have to use hormonas to compensate or accept you'll never get any bigger than you are now. If you can't grow on a bodybuilding regime then God didn't mean for you to have large muscles.
I stopped chasing big numbers when I got hurt too much... and like b-boy said, getting hurt and having to use lighter weights and more pump volume is the best thing for getting bigger (when geared obviously)
Danta Strudel claims you need to keep getting stronger but that only works to a certain point even on hormonas, and those squats and deadlifts are very draining to the body and probably draining your recovery that could be used on upper body
But what about Dorian Yates?
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But what about Dorian Yates?
Dorian is drugs drugs drugs plus superior genes and great response to gear.
He could have juiced up and played tiddlywinks and got huge.
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Dorian is drugs drugs drugs plus superior genes and great response to gear.
He could have juiced up and played tiddlywinks and got huge.
so basically these guys lift hardcore for fun/for cool dvds?
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PNS WHAT IS YOUR EXACT LOCATION?
CAUSE IF DON'T STOP BITCHING I WILL NEED TO TRACK YOU DOWN AND STICK A NEEDLE IN YOUR ASS SO YOULL SHUT UP
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so basically these guys lift hardcore for fun/for cool dvds?
No,hard training plus drugs,food,rest/sleep,make you grow.
The tiddlywinks thing was an exaggeration but I think you got the point.
Question for you PNS,why stay on a 5 X 5 routine if you`re not progressing?
I`m not talking about going light with more volume,I`m talking heavy for a higher rep range..........5-15 or 20-30 for quads.
Heavy is relative.
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there are two guys on getbig that represent the epitome of what can be achieved naturally;
simpyhuge;
(http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t224/SimplyHuge/Photo008-3.jpg)
and an123
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=29547.0;attach=27050;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=29547.0;attach=27051;image)
They both train religiouly, eat religiously, and maybe sometimes use creatine. I was that big long time ago, but at some point i lost the drive, didnt see the point anymore. Eating 4 meals a day (as an ecto, it's even more difficult, it's basically forcefeeding), focusing on protein intakes, training 1 hour a day, just to attain that maximum amount of muscle that would melt as soon as i had others serious things to do with my life became quickly boring, i didnt enjoy it anymore.
Today im a lighter version of those physiques, and a lot of natural guys look the way i do, it's not that hard, all it requires are 3 to 5 hours of training (to failure) a week, not caring much about nutrition anymore. But again, it's easier for an ecto and meso to look like this, than it is for a fatty endo. Genetics play a big role again.
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They both train religiouly, eat religiously, and maybe sometimes use creatine. I was that big long time ago, but at some point i lost the drive, didnt see the point anymore. Eating 4 days a week, training 1 hour a day, just to attain that maximum amount of muscle that would melt as soon as i had others serious things to do with my life.
Today im a lighter version of those physiques, and a lot of natural guys look the way i do, it's not that hard, all it requires are 3 to 5 hours of training (to failure) a week, not caring much about nutrition anymore. But again, it's easier for an ecto and meso to look like this, than it is for a fatty endo. Genetics play a big role again.
... and steroids.
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PNS WHAT IS YOUR EXACT LOCATION?
CAUSE IF DON'T STOP BITCHING I WILL NEED TO TRACK YOU DOWN AND STICK A NEEDLE IN YOUR ASS SO YOULL SHUT UP
you will have to stick a needle in yourself before you can be man enough to square off with me you twink! >:(
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you will have to stick a needle in yourself before you can be man enough to square off with me you twink! >:(
Maybe I will :D
and then you'll be jealous
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there are two guys on getbig that represent the epithome of what can be achieved naturally;
simpyhuge;
(http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t224/SimplyHuge/Photo008-3.jpg)
and an123
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=29547.0;attach=27050;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=29547.0;attach=27051;image)
They both train religiouly, eat religiously, and maybe sometimes use creatine. I was that big long time ago, but at some point i lost the drive, didnt see the point anymore. Eating 4 meals a day, focusing on protein intakes, training 1 hour a day, just to attain that maximum amount of muscle that would melt as soon as i had others serious things to do with my life.
Today im a lighter version of those physiques, and a lot of natural guys look the way i do, it's not that hard, all it requires are 3 to 5 hours of training (to failure) a week, not caring much about nutrition anymore. But again, it's easier for an ecto and meso to look like this, than it is for a fatty endo. Genetics play a big role again.
Those guys look great!1
They`ll never be IFBB pros,but neither will tons and tons of guys who abuse the living shit out of gear.
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Maybe I will :D
and then you'll be jealous
(http://verydemotivational.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/demotivational-posters-get-out-of-my-head.jpg)
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so basically these guys lift hardcore for fun/for cool dvds?
I worked most of my life as simple laborer. ten years of concrete work,
factories ive even done some geek shit like webmastering for 5 years
and working 100 hour weeks.
i don't work anymore. if i had to work i would die. so bodybuilding is
all I know. it keeps me sane occupied and goal oriented.
the my bulk of my life evolves around the lifestyle.
it consumes my brain and most of my time and i like it that way.
when i'm not thinking about training eating sleeping etc i try to
further my education in areas that interest me and that benefit me.
mainly ancient rome, religion, politics and the zeitgiest movement.
understand i do very damn little that i don't enjoy. i have no
desire to work, accumulate material wealth or chase whatever
the fuck the american dream is. Ive done all of that.
I bodybuild. i train with a show in mind, trying to put on any size
i can between now and then. moving forward always forward.
I understand that "then" may never come because i have life threatening
health issues. and if you ever do you may realize as I do, that loving yourself
for yourself and trying to be the best self you can be for you,
is an admirable goal in life.
none of us are anything special. you live you love you die. the end.
base yourself against yourself. what is spoken here would be like me
telling wes i'm gonna get on stage and beat him. that is not what bodybulding
is about to me. its not how i look to others or if i am bigger stronger. none of that.
which is why "bros" like us pass one another in gym and never utter a word.
because we know. natural bodybuilding is the most unforgiving hardest bunch of
worthless shit you may ever persue and never ever win a show nor place let alone
be considered a "big" guy.
I have no delusions, i know i do not belong on stage, but i have, i can and by
the power of zues i shall again. or I'll die and be happy either way.
if none of this registers then you are weightlifter. be happy with that and
the human you are. it doesn't make you less than. at least most of those guys
rarily obsess with giving it all up like we do. honestly it makes you smarter in
most cases. imho.
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Less calories
More exercises + more reps
Quality clean food except on the weekend
Train fucking hard,don`t just go through the motions
Feel the muscle work....don`t be obsessed with lifting mega- heavy weight
Use intensity techniques such as Super-Sets,Drop-Sets,Rest Pause etc.
Do low intensity cardio for 30 minutes 4 X a week (walk on inclined treadmill at brisk pace)
Train like your life depended on it
Stay leaner
Good luck,but don`t plan on looking like one of the top guys in a national level show or an IFBB pro.
Do all of the above but add drugs then you will look like a bodybuilder or at least someone who trains with dedication :D
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I worked most of my life as simple laborer. ten years of concrete work,
factories ive even done some geek shit like webmastering for 5 years
and working 100 hour weeks.
i don't work anymore. if i had to work i would die. so bodybuilding is
all I know. it keeps me sane occupied and goal oriented.
the my bulk of my life evolves around the lifestyle.
it consumes my brain and most of my time and i like it that way.
when i'm not thinking about training eating sleeping etc i try to
further my education in areas that interest me and that benefit me.
mainly ancient rome, religion, politics and the zeitgiest movement.
understand i do very damn little that i don't enjoy. i have no
desire to work, accumulate material wealth or chase whatever
the fuck the american dream is. Ive done all of that.
I bodybuild. i train with a show in mind, trying to put on any size
i can between now and then. moving forward always forward.
I understand that "then" may never come because i have life threatening
health issues. and if you ever do you may realize as I do, that loving yourself
for yourself and trying to be the best self you can be for you,
is an admirable goal in life.
none of us are anything special. you live you love you die. the end.
base yourself against yourself. what is spoken here would be like me
telling wes i'm gonna get on stage and beat him. that is not what bodybulding
is about to me. its not how i look to others or if i am bigger stronger. none of that.
which is why "bros" like us pass one another in gym and never utter a word.
because we know. natural bodybuilding is the most unforgiving hardest bunch of
worthless shit you may ever persue and never ever win a show nor place let alone
be considered a "big" guy.
I have no delusions, i know i do not belong on stage, but i have, i can and by
the power of zues i shall again. or I'll die and be happy either way.
if none of this registers then you are weightlifter. be happy with that and
the human you are. it doesn't make you less than. at least most of those guys
rarily obsess with giving it all up like we do. honestly it makes you smarter in
most cases. imho.
Damn good post.....you have to have a passion for training and your mind is the most powerful muscle you have.
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yes it is very hard to get it right, i mean i dont want to be an obsessive compulsive douchebag weighing food etc or is that really required?
cardio every day, that would require me to do it right before or after my workouts on monday, wednesday and friday. is that really advisable after killing your legs with 5x5 squats on monday?
is sticking to the same rep set scheme too long a huge mistake?
Do the cardio whenever you want - there are many fixed ideas that may make exercising complicated.
No it is not killing gains - you are just keeping a steady pace -> you are not huffing and puffing for an ungodly amount of time killing your cns.
The changing up of rep ranges is "vital" to avoid a sort of stagnation/burnout. A rep scheme will only be changed after a few good weeks of correctly following your cycle.
Remember - the less you think about it and the more you do/experiment, the better are chances to progress.
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i havent read this whole thread, cuz why would i. but, has it been menitioned to you to have yr test levels checked?
i could never get past 190 at 5'11. bodyfat would be around 10, but eating more just got me fat, not muscular. i'd either burn out or get hurt. turned out my pituitary and balls are fuckarood. hypogonadism, they call it. went on trt. now im 220.
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you can look decent and be strong natural the ultra low bf is where you run into problems i keep saying it and saying it no pays attention.
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you can look decent and be strong natural the ultra low bf is where you run into problems i keep saying it and saying it no pays attention.
i agree anything under 6 to 8 pct unless born to superskinny then got bigger but still lanky and 4/5 pct naturally like running basketball courts,,but a real lifter clean when u start going below 6/8 pct bye to delt/traps and fullness and if competing u can't recover that size like a user can in any sort of time..so lift/get good or as great as u can and be happy or compete to the best u can and pray no users come beat the test and win if ur doing clean/natural show's if u go open npc drug show's clean enter at your own risk...
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You can be impressive to joe public in everyday situations as a natural, you cant not look like shit onstage as a natural.Hope this helps.
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You can be impressive to joe public in everyday situations as a natural, you cant not look like shit onstage as a natural.Hope this helps.
well thats a large scale to look good in then,,,
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You can be impressive to joe public in everyday situations as a natural, you cant not look like shit onstage as a natural.Hope this helps.
I don't think so, maybe in a small town that has no juiced up bodybuilders
But where I live I feel like a twink whenever I go out at night and see these juiced up guidos in the clubs
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Stop whining,you`ve been given good advice..........take it or leave it!!
GEEZUS!!
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Stop whining,you`ve been given good advice..........take it or leave it!!
GEEZUS!!
most of your advice was bro science but I agree there were a couple of posters with very excellent advice
and I am reading the book he suggested right now (practical programming by rippetoe)
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most of your advice was bro science but I agree there were a couple of posters with very excellent advice
and I am reading the book he suggested right now (practical programming by rippetoe)
LOL @ broscience,and LOL @ rippetoe................ ...good luck !
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good luck !
thanks :D
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most of your advice was bro science but I agree there were a couple of posters with very excellent advice
and I am reading the book he suggested right now (practical programming by rippetoe)
Why would you take advice on bodybuilding from a fat old man who prides himself in not caring about how he or his trainees look?
I wouldn't even take PLing advice from him as a beginner because his technique advice is terrible for people who want to total more than 1400... and that's supposed to be the area he's an 'expert' in
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Why would you take advice on bodybuilding from a fat old man who prides himself in not caring about how he or his trainees look?
I wouldn't even take PLing advice from him as a beginner because his technique advice is terrible for people who want to total more than 1400... and that's supposed to be the area he's an 'expert' in
Well I do question his expertise because
*he admitted to having used steroids because all his mates and competitors where using them and it was legal back then
*all time best bench press 1 rep max of 396 @ 220lbs bodyweight (i don't know his height but i've seen his pictures and he was a full house)
soo all in all that's not THAT impressive
problem is I don't find any other powerlifting writers that seem trustworthy
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does he use the 'it was legal and the Dr gave me one dbol a day' lie?
400lb bench isnt bad for 220, but it was single ply which added 50lbs even back then.
you could read the dave tate/wendler advice but thats for equipped lifting.. trying to bench all tris doesnt really help much when yr a raw bencher. same as sitting back on a box squat, doesnt do shit for raw squatting that should be mostly quads anyway
either way his advice is all wrong for getting bigger. I used to bench 405 for reps, now I rarely go over 315 and my chest and arms are bigger, because I do the reps slower and do a ton more volume.
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does he use the 'it was legal and the Dr gave me one dbol a day' lie?
400lb bench isnt bad for 220, but it was single ply which added 50lbs even back then.
you could read the dave tate/wendler advice but thats for equipped lifting.. trying to bench all tris doesnt really help much when yr a raw bencher. same as sitting back on a box squat, doesnt do shit for raw squatting that should be mostly quads anyway
either way his advice is all wrong for getting bigger. I used to bench 405 for reps, now I rarely go over 315 and my chest and arms are bigger, because I do the reps slower and do a ton more volume.
but you are juiced right?
seems like getbig agrees on the idea that volume training is pointless for natureals
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but you are juiced right?
seems like getbig agrees on the idea that volume training is pointless for natureals
Probably less pointless and more detrimental than anything. Being juiced, you can train and make mistakes with a lot more forgiveness.
That was one of my biggest reasons for going on. I get chronic migraines and sometimes can't eat or train well. And if I get a status migraine (72 hours or greater) it's like having a terrible cold with a migraine on top. I used to drop like 20lbs at a time. But now that I've built up a solid foundation on and off the sauce, it's a lot different.
Did you ever put any recent thought into going on? You mentioned some BS about having to take GH, but you don't HAVE to. Do gh15's cycle that he recommended. It only costs a few hundred a month and maybe a couple hundred more if you add GH and don't have the best sources. Do a log so we can all follow along. It'd be interesting.