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Not surprised
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Not surprised
FU GEORGE W BUSH
FU OBAMA
FU ROBERTS
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Chief Justice Robert's vote saved the Afordable Care Act, but was the mandate struck down in particular or was it all upheld.
I am following the SCOTUSblog and they are the most trustworthy group, while CNN can't get their shit straight.
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Chief Justice Robert's vote saved the Afordable Care Act, but was the mandate struck down in particular or was it all upheld.
I am following the SCOTUSblog and they are the most trustworthy group, while CNN can't get their shit straight.
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still waiting but the main thing is that our asses are going to be taxed for it....although I don't pay for my benefits so it doesn't really matter to me
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still waiting but the main thing is that our asses are going to be taxed for it....although I don't pay for my benefits so it doesn't really matter to me
Ok, just read that that the Supreme Court upholds every part of the ACA and that consumers have a choice to participate on the mandate, but failure from consumers to comply (particularly those WITHOUT health insurance) will lead to a tax being imposed upon them.
Essentially, the court reinforces that individuals not complying with the mandate will have to pay the tax.
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P.S. Fucking CNN, can't even understand the opinions of the court..
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That's a winner!
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That's a winner!
Yeah - a win for slavery to govt and to the corporations that lobby it.
fuck you asshole
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Yeah - a win for slavery to govt and to the corporations that lobby it.
fuck you asshole
Hahaha.
Let the meltdowns roll.
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Hahaha.
Let the meltdowns roll.
Well, he's right. Big government in bed with bigger pharma, and forcing us to buy something even if we don't need or want it.
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Well, he's right. Big government in bed with bigger pharma, and forcing us to buy something even if we don't need or want it.
I guess the Republicans won't have to worry about spiking that football.
Huge win for Obama and the American people.
Best court decision I've heard in my lifetime.
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Well, he's right. Big government in bed with bigger pharma, and forcing us to buy something even if we don't need or want it.
garebare is a socialist obama cult follower, he could care less.
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US Const: 'The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States
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Not surprised
As a tax not a mandate. Remember when they said "its not a tax".......well, they lied about that that as well. It's.coming out of tax.refunds. I don't get a tax refund so duck Obama again. Haha
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Not surprising, but if you think a judicial decision like this will stop Republican juddering you'd be mistaken.
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still waiting but the main thing is that our asses are going to be taxed for it....although I don't pay for my benefits so it doesn't really matter to me
this statement made by you is the end of all humanity. you dont pay for anything, so it dosnt matter to you.
but guess what? there are people who pay for you, you filt
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the day America became communist.
if you live or die is decided for you, you will be told what care to get. europe already have this.
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We're taxed for public education whether we decide to use it or put a kid into private school.
(im not a liberal or "democrat")
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Forgetting individual states rights, to choose or not, to go with ObamaCare. 27 states filed suits which began the whole process in the Supreme Court. The current ruling(s) suggest that any state can reject ObamaCare all together and keep the system they are using. These battles can go on for years.
Medicare will suffer greatly if ObamaCare is finally the law of the land. Bottom line, ObamaCare is a disruptive and not well thought out scheme. Government, also, will have the right to check not only your bank records, but your private medical records
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Forgetting individual states rights, to choose or not, to go with ObamaCare. 27 states filed suits which began the whole process in the Supreme Court. The current ruling(s) suggest that any state can reject ObamaCare all together and keep the system they are using. These battles can go on for years.
Medicare will suffer greatly if ObamaCare is finally the law of the laws. Bottom line, ObamaCare is a disruptive and not well thought out scheme. Government, also, will have the right to check not only your bank records, but your private medical records
After that, they'll probably take your guns away.
Conspiracy!
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Conspiracy ..naw. Open borders, probably. Which seems to be what the current White House wants very badly.
The thing is is that the Mexican-Americans (the ones who want to allow more illegals into the states) don't seem to understand that by letting in Mexican nationals, their own jobs may be threatened. Illegals will work for lower wages (usually cash only) and/or little or no health insurance. The American citizens, of Mexican decent, are being aced out of some fairly good paying job here in California. A lot in construction jobs, which can pay $50,000 a year (with benefits)and up. Advantage being, that paying a much lower wage, with no benefits, means more money for the employer. Even skilled jobs like driving heavy equipment, welding, framers, etc are taken up by cheaper labor. Just go by any construction site and notice very few white or blacks working on them. Other point that American blacks are overlooked for most of these jobs.
Little secret is that Mexican nationals do not think very much of American-Mexicans. And are happy to replace the Americans on any job.
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Wow, so the government now has the right to require me purchase something or tax me as a penalty. Why stop at healthcare, what else does Obama want me buy, carbon credits, a hybrid car? These things are better for the earth so lets get that started right away. It's for your own good people. Obama knows best.
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After that, they'll probably take your guns away.
Conspiracy!
Nice to see you doing the bidding for the Private Insurance Industry, you lemming. This is probably one of the worst Supreme Court Decisions ever and this seals the deal for the United States NEVER having a National Health System as it gives full power to Private Insurance companies.
Garebear, you are a moron.
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Nice to see you doing the bidding for the Private Insurance Industry, you lemming. This is probably one of the worst Supreme Court Decisions ever and this seals the deal for the United States NEVER having a National Health System as it gives full power to Private Insurance companies.
Garebear, you are a moron.
I'm not as smart as you, but is that really a fair way of judging things?
After all, you know more about slavery than the slaves.
It's hard to top that.
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I don't believe in using the tax code to punish companies and individuals that you disagree with. It wasn't meant to be wielded as a weapon to make people do what you want them to do. Then you have the IRS that is going to be the one enforcing this and you know how they get down.
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Now three things in life you will go through and pay for, Death, Taxes & Obama Care!
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Who wouldn't want health insurance? I can't imagine most people being able to afford 100% of medical bills. I don't agree with them being able to charge you tax for not getting insurance. The penalty for not having insurance, is having to foot the entire bill. They shouldn't add tax on top of that.
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Who wouldn't want health insurance? I can't imagine most people being able to afford 100% of medical bills. I don't agree with them being able to charge you tax for not getting insurance. The penalty for not having insurance, is having to foot the entire bill. They shouldn't add tax on top of that.
yes, but they shouldn't take away the choice, and make it illegal.
it's like having to pay a rent for being alive, well I guess in a way you are renting your body, the government owns it. maybe obama is a genius, wow this is awesome!
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I'm taken care of the rest of my life medically so this doesn't concern me but I really don't know how to feel about this...I'm happy for the people that couldn't afford health care I'm upset at the consequences that will result from this. Another feather in the good Pres' Cap. Haters gonna hate.
Thanks Roberts, your the best player on the Dems team... ;D
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I'm taken care of the rest of my life medically so this doesn't concern me but I really don't know how to feel about this...I'm happy for the people that couldn't afford health care I'm upset at the consequences that will result from this. Another in the good Pres' Cap. Haters gonna hate.
Thanks Roberts, your the best player on the Dems team... ;D
people who could not afford health insurance were put on medicare and medicaid insurance as it were already.
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yes, but they shouldn't take away the choice, and make it illegal.
it's like having to pay a rent for being alive, well I guess in a way you are renting your body, the government owns it. maybe obama is a genius, wow this is awesome!
It's illegal? I thought you just had to pay a tax if you do not have coverage? I don't get it.
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It's illegal? I thought you just had to pay a tax if you do not have coverage? I don't get it.
No you don't get get it.
Obamacare mandates far more than ER coverage.
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It's illegal? I thought you just had to pay a tax if you do not have coverage? I don't get it.
If you have health insurance already (either self-purchased or provided to you by your workplace) - You won't have to worry about the mandate or tax whatsoever.
If you are able to afford health insurance, but decide to not purchase it, then you will be taxed.
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It's illegal? I thought you just had to pay a tax if you do not have coverage? I don't get it.
Obamacare is the first FEDERALLY mandatory insurance. If you don't buy the insurance you are fined.
the centerpiece of ObamaCare is the individual mandate, a provision that makes it mandatory for every citizen to purchase private health insurance, which is unprecedented in American history.
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The Supreme Court's Conservative Wing Fears A Federal Power Grab
Abby Rogers|24 minutes ago|126|
Justices Anthony Kennedy, Clarence Thomas, Antonin Scalia, and Samuel Alito are not happy about the Supreme Court's ruling to uphold the heart of Obamacare.
And they're letting everyone know it in a blistering dissent.
As to be expected, they opposed the insurance mandate, contending it wrongly regulates some Americans' failure to maintain coverage.
But failure is not commerce, meaning Congress has no power over it, they said.
"One does not regulate commerce that does not exist by compelling its existence," the dissent stated.
The three conservative justices and the one swing-voter bash Congress for trying to overstep its power, saying the government can't "regulate all private conduct."
While the high court has long given Congress leeway when it comes to taxing and spending, the government has taken things too far, according to the dissent.
The four unhappy justices pointed out that the federal government has gotten so big that it has created departments for areas it was never meant to regulate, like education and housing.
But for some justices, one dissent just wasn't enough. Check out Thomas' individual dissent as well as Kennedy's individual dissent >
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/obamacare-dissent-2012-6#ixzz1z6qOQ5As
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Obamacare is the first FEDERALLY mandatory insurance. If you do buy the insurance you are fined.
Yes and No.
What it should truly be known as is a new healthcare tax. If you buy the insurance you are paying the fee for the overall insurance provided to you, if you don't buy the insurance, you are taxed (as a penalty), which can then be used to cover the overhead costs of providing medical care to those who opt out when they decide to show up to a hospital.
I wouldn't say it's the first federally mandated form of insurance, since we all pay a medicare tax and that in itself is a mandatory form of insurance that we ALL pay for.
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Yes and No.
What it should truly be known as is a new healthcare tax. If you buy the insurance you are paying the fee for the overall insurance provided to you, if you don't but the insurance, you are taxed (as a penalty), which can then be used to cover the overhead costs of providing medical care to those who opt out when they decide to show up to a hospital.
I wouldn't say it's the first federally mandated form of insurance, since we all pay a medicare tax and that in itself is a mandatory form of insurance that we ALL pay for.
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Obama lied about this too.
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It is an individual's right to not purchase goods or services. If the IRS is going to assess this penalty, I assume that you can still get around the individual mandate if you do not file taxes (do not earn any income).
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this statement made by you is the end of all humanity. you dont pay for anything, so it dosnt matter to you.
but guess what? there are people who pay for you, you filt
I served my country....thats why
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I served my country....thats why
STFU - you got rolled out before even being in for a year on a sick chit and have been taking benes ever since. You were mopping the latrines and the head but make it like you were fucking rambo.
95er please!
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no matter what side you are on OBAMA LIED TO YOU.. he is on video repeatedly saying this is NOT A TAX.. this bill would not have gone through even with democratic votes if it was labeled as a tax.. now we find out that the argument put forth by the obama legal team to the supreme court is that IT WAS A TAX.. but he has denied all along.. now he is telling us "yeah i fooled ya.. it is a tax".. this will be appealed.. even demos are feeling the heat when they have to go back and tell their constituents that we misled you.. whether it was intentional or not on their part..
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I'm taken care of the rest of my life medically so this doesn't concern me but I really don't know how to feel about this...I'm happy for the people that couldn't afford health care I'm upset at the consequences that will result from this. Another feather in the good Pres' Cap. Haters gonna hate.
Thanks Roberts, your the best player on the Dems team... ;D
Your just like all of the black retards I work with. When it really comes down to it most of them have pretty conservative views but they voted for and support Obama because he's black and they think they're going to get handouts. Black people are the biggest sheep!
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Your just like all of the black retards I work with. When it really comes down to it most of them have pretty conservative views but they voted for and support Obama because he's black and they think the're going to get handouts. Black people are the biggest sheep!
95% of blacks are pathetic sheep and followers. Race over all else.
The 5% who are independent thinkers like mcway, powell, condi, sowell, get attacked by the lynch mob of lemmings for not engaging in group think.
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95% of blacks are pathetic sheep and followers. Race over all else.
The 5% who are independent thinkers like mcway, powell, condi, sowell, get attacked by the lynch mob of lemmings for not engaging in group think.
Yup. That's exactly true.
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As the day goes on it's coming out more and more that the decision was last minute and Roberts was some how "persuaded" to change his opinion when he said it was a "tax" the problem is his weak opinion never said what kind of a tax it was, excise, income, etc. This is sounding fishy.
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Not surprised
Not to pick nits, but wasn't the SC vote 5-4?
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Not to pick nits, but wasn't the SC vote 5-4?
Yes.
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Edit - I tried to help without being too obvious (look at all of my posts and the name of the title as it appears on my responses).
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Yes.
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Well.....considering who the OP was. ;D
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95% of blacks are pathetic sheep and followers. Race over all else.
The 5% who are independent thinkers like mcway, powell, condi, sowell, get attacked by the lynch mob of lemmings for not engaging in group think.
Like you're an independent thinker!? You just regurgitate/cut & paste from partisan/gutter websites. You wouldn't know an original thought if it dong slapped you. Hypocrite.
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Like you're an independent thinker!? You just regurgitate/cut & paste from partisan/gutter websites. You wouldn't know an original thought if it dong slapped you. Hypocrite.
95% of Blacks would gladly put chains on and get in steerage and row back to Africa in the bottom of the Amistad if Obama asked them to do so.
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95% of Blacks would gladly put chains on and get in steerage and row back to Africa in the bottom of the Amistad if Obama asked them to do so.
Silly comment. And steerage is a boating class, not the propulsion. Up your (racism) game.
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US Const: 'The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States
But, Obama and the Dems claimed that ObamaCare was NOT a tax.
In other words, they LIED their keisters off, to pass something which wouldn't have passed, if they'd told the truth and been "transparent" about this mess.
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But, Obama and the Dems claimed that ObamaCare was NOT a tax.
In other words, they LIED their keisters off, to pass something which wouldn't have passed, if they'd told the truth and been "transparent" about this mess.
Actually, all you guys should be more pissed off at Obama's recent claimings of Executive Privilege. I know it's more a Bush-era thingy, but Obama has nicely embraced it.
Edit: AG just got held in contempt by House of Representatives. Now you have a real issue.
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Like you're an independent thinker!? You just regurgitate/cut & paste from partisan/gutter websites. You wouldn't know an original thought if it dong slapped you. Hypocrite.
Pathetic white pussy.
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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303561504577494472052048242.html
Obama lied - freedom died
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Pathetic white pussy.
You really should stay out of political threads. Your lack of intelligence becomes embarrassingly stark. :-\
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You really should stay out of political threads. Your lack of intelligence becomes embarrassingly stark. :-\
He's a liar man. You want socialist healthcare. That makes you a white pussy in my book.
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He's a liar man. You want socialist healthcare. That makes you a white pussy in my book.
Obama cultists dont give a damn what he does. They are the beaten wives club for ghettobama.
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Does this mean free Deca for everybody?
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He's a liar man. You want socialist healthcare. That makes you a white pussy in my book.
Emotion: 95%
Intelligence: 2.5%
Plastic: 2.5%
Politicians, are by nature whores/liars. I want Socialist health care? Really? I have not expressed a definitive on the subject. You really are dim, aren't you?
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A politician lied ? :o , who would have thought ?
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He's a liar man. You want socialist healthcare. That makes you a white pussy in my book.
No, no sweetheart, it's not that cut and dry unfortunately.
We Americans are a very special breed of people. We say we love Capitalism and completely hate Socialism, but not only are we in bed with Socialism, we also enjoy making wild passionate love to it as well.
- Social Security
Medicare
Unemployment
Fannie Mae
Freddie Mac
Corporate welfare
Bailouts
Farm subsidies
These are all socialistic programs that we can't live without. Our economy, senior citizens, wealthy 1%'s, middle class folks and average mid-western Americans couldn't survive without the existence of these programs we love.
It's truly a sticky subject and I am not particularly picking sides on this, but we've had socialist healthcare in this country for years in the form of both Medicare and Medicaid.
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STFU - you got rolled out before even being in for a year on a sick chit and have been taking benes ever since. You were mopping the latrines and the head but make it like you were fucking rambo.
95er please!
Yes, I mopped floors, cleaned latrines, mowed grass, scrubbed trash cans, hauled ice to the ranges, did guard duty, and a lot of other shit......I don't recall any time where I stated that I ran though Iwo Jima or killed Bin Laden you fucking moron. ::)
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I would personally like to thank Obama for handing over the presidency to Romney. Thank you Mr. Obama, don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. Haha
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Look at this Nazi
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I would personally like to thank Obama for handing over the presidency to Romney. Thank you Mr. Obama, don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. Haha
Chuckle....there are more poor people than rich people. Romney is losing in the electoral race and every poll out there indicates it
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_romney_vs_obama-1171.html
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I would personally like to thank Obama for handing over the presidency to Romney. Thank you Mr. Obama, don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. Haha
You think so?
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Chuckle....there are more poor people than rich people. Romney is losing in the electoral race and every poll out there indicates it
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_romney_vs_obama-1171.html
Four states that Obama won handily have either gone "toss-up" or "leans Romney". You think that's good for an incumbent president?
He's below 50% in all the swing states and that's not counting the undecided votes, which almost always go AGAINST the incumbent.
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Four states that Obama won handily have either gone "toss-up" or "leans Romney". You think that's good for an incumbent president?
He's below 50% in all the swing states and that's not counting the undecided votes, which almost always go AGAINST the incumbent.
Ohio, VA, and Florida are leaning to Obama. He pretty much has enough electoral votes to win. Romney had better full some diamonds from his ass if he wants to win because with the immigration thing, he's giving up a lot of ground
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Ohio, VA, and Florida are leaning to Obama. He pretty much has enough electoral votes to win. Romney had better full some diamonds from his ass if he wants to win because with the immigration thing, he's giving up a lot of ground
Yeah, rely on a dem push poll. Idiot.
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Yeah, rely on a dem push poll. Idiot.
Dem push poll...you have any proof of that???
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Ohio, VA, and Florida are leaning to Obama. He pretty much has enough electoral votes to win. Romney had better full some diamonds from his ass if he wants to win because with the immigration thing, he's giving up a lot of ground
I wouldn't be too sure, Romney's father was born in Mexico.
That will earn him a few points with Hispanic Americans.
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So, is this lose or win for Obama 2012?
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Dem push poll...you have any proof of that???
the quinnipiac poll you are hissing over oversampled demos by at least 5 plus.
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Ohio, VA, and Florida are leaning to Obama. He pretty much has enough electoral votes to win. Romney had better full some diamonds from his ass if he wants to win because with the immigration thing, he's giving up a lot of ground
No, he doesn't. He's under 50% in nearly ALL of those swing states and statistically tied (within the margin of error) in most.
Again, you leave out the undecided voters. In the last 8 elections involving an incumbent, 7 of them lost ALL of the undecided/swing voters. The lone exception was Bush (43).
In case you forgot, he's losing white working-class voters by the truckload. If Romney gets 62% of them on election day, it's all over but the crying, no matter how much Obama panders to Latinos, gays, or whoever.
And that's under the gracious assumption that Latinos, gays, and especially black people match the numbers (sheer numbers, not percentages) of 2008, which is highly unlikely.
ObamaCare has been LOATHED for two years. It will not become popular in four months. ObamaCare got the Dems clobbered in 2010; history may repeat itself.
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I wouldn't be too sure, Romney's father was born in Mexico.
That will earn him a few points with Hispanic Americans.
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If they know about it. Its been for the most part a media blackout regarding that. Even with that being said, they are likely going to see him as a white guy not to mention he has to oppose it since Obama endorsed it.
What really sucks is that Romney will either lose Tea Party members if he waffles on it or Hispanic voters for appealing it
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I guess the Republicans won't have to worry about spiking that football.
Huge win for Obama and the American people.
Best court decision I've heard in my lifetime.
Best post in the thread gare! Bout time we started making people responsible for their healthcare. Billions and billions are spent in E.R. visits from uninsured people running in for all kinds of reasons...And taxpayers have to pay for it. NO MORE!! We need to fight the republicans wanting this welfare system mentality!!! Everyone carries their weight!!! 8)
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So, is this lose or win for Obama 2012?
I say it's a loss. Not only does Obama now have to defend an unpopular law, he has to explain why he lied about the nature, cost, and impact of that law.
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Best post in the thread gare! Bout time we started making people responsible for their healthcare. Billions and billions are spent in E.R. visits from uninsured people running in for all kinds of reasons...And taxpayers have to pay for it. NO MORE!! We need to fight the republicans wanting this welfare system mentality!!! Everyone carries their weight!!! 8)
Are illegals going to the ER going to be forced to pay up?
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Best post in the thread gare! Bout time we started making people responsible for their healthcare. Billions and billions are spent in E.R. visits from uninsured people running in for all kinds of reasons...And taxpayers have to pay for it. NO MORE!! We need to fight the republicans wanting this welfare system mentality!!! Everyone carries their weight!!! 8)
Everyone doesn't carry their weight. People have to pay for those who can't or won't carry their weight. And, they have to pay for things they don't want or need. And, they'll likely be forced to take government insurance, as their jobs throw their coverages out.
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Are illegals going to the ER going to be forced to pay up?
Nope!!
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Everyone doesn't carry their weight. People have to pay for those who can't or won't carry their weight. And, they have to pay for things they don't want or need. And, they'll likely be forced to take government insurance, as their jobs throw their coverages out.
But at least theres a penalty for not carrying your weight and contributing to make the insurance companies richer!!! Do you have any idea of the revenue this will bring to the insurance comps!!! I thought you guys are pro capitialism??? I know if i dont buy auto insurance i can get my license revoked...so at least thats a start to action. Are you sure rebublicans??/ ???
And BTW. STFU 333333333! your a delusional retard and a shut-in judging by your post count.
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I say it's a loss. Not only does Obama now have to defend an unpopular law, he has to explain why he lied about the nature, cost, and impact of that law.
Whatever...lol. Wait till you have to tell all those kids in college that they are coming off the parents policies!!...lol
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But at least theres a penalty for not carrying your weight and contributing to make the insurance companies richer!!! Do you have any idea of the revenue this will bring to the insurance comps!!! I thought you guys are pro capitialism??? I know if i dont buy auto insurance i can get my license revoked...so at least thats a start to action. Are you sure rebublicans??/ ???
And BTW. STFU 333333333! your a delusional retard and a shut-in judging by your post count.
So making the government richer is better than making insurance companies richer?
And fining someone (and likely JAIL time, if you don't pay the fine) for not buying something is beyond ridiculous.
What's next? Are we going to be forced to buy Chevy Volts? Lord knows, that's the only way you'll get those pieces of crap sold.
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Whatever...lol. Wait till you have to tell all those kids in college that they are coming off the parents policies!!...lol
In ghettobamas economy no one has jobs so. They. Have to stay on parents insurance. FAIL.
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Whatever...lol. Wait till you have to tell all those kids in college that they are coming off the parents policies!!...lol
You're not "kids", when you're in your mid-20s.
Wait until you tell all those parents THAT ACTUALLY HAVE TO PAY THE BILLS that their premiums are going through the roof, to pay for stuff they don't need or want and, because of the lousy Obama economy, their "kids" (college degree and all) are still flipping burgers.
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You're not "kids", when you're in your mid-20s.
Wait until you tell all those parents THAT ACTUALLY HAVE TO PAY THE BILLS that their premiums are going through the roof, to pay for stuff they don't need or want and, because of the lousy Obama economy, their "kids" (college degree and all) are still flipping burgers.
So your not a capitialist? DOnt you want huge numbers of new policies flowing into insurance companies pockets( who also own the banks)
almost everyone i know, knows someone who has lost their home or other assets cuz the medical bills were outragous....where else does this happen but the might USA!!! We need somthing to happen and this is a good start.
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So your not a capitialist? DOnt you want huge numbers of new policies flowing into insurance companies pockets( who also own the banks)
almost everyone i know, knows someone who has lost their home or other assets cuz the medical bills were outragous....where else does this happen but the might USA!!! We need somthing to happen and this is a good start.
If this were a good start:
1) The Democrats wouldn't have had the holy hell beaten out of them in 2010.
2) They wouldn't have had to lie through their teeth to pass this mess in the first place
3) Obama would be touting this throughout his campaign (until today, he was all but mush-mouthed).
4) This bill wouldn't have been loathed for over two years.
Higher premiums for stuff you don't need doesn't help the middle class. THEY, not the rich (despite Obama's boneheaded claims) will get bilked for all this. They were told that NONE of their taxes would be increased, which was utter BS.
Obama isn't even on his own plan. Much worse, he hooked up all his union buddies and cronies with WAIVERS (which some people have apparently forgotten). Why would you need a waiver for something so God-Blessedly good?
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how many people go the ER for. Birth control?
ObamaCare equals FAIL!
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What about the E.R?? Most people going in would now have a policy!! And as for illegals..i say we deport them...or throw on the tax!! That would spread the word fast!!
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What about the E.R?? Most people going in would now have a policy!! And as for illegals..i say we deport them...or throw on the tax!! That would spread the word fast!!
Obama ain't deporting them. Or did you miss that from a couple of days ago? In fact, they can complain to the DOJ that the POLICE are harassing them, even thought they're the ones breaking our laws.
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Obama ain't deporting them. Or did you miss that from a couple of days ago? In fact, they can complain to the DOJ that the POLICE are harassing them, even thought they're the ones breaking our laws.
2011 set a record for deportations. 436,000. More than bush ever did or anyone else. Do you stay on fox channel or something? You seem to get spoon fed half the story. Im out, time for the chicken, salad, potato stuff. ;D
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dems lost in a landslide in 2010 based on obamacare.. now that the middle class will find out that this is "now" a tax.. good luck mr president.. obama got this through by announcing it was not a tax.. but, his lawyers, once again argued that it was a tax in order to get it passed because obama knew he was screwed trying to get it passed under the commerce clause.. so he lied..plain and simple...
as for him doing well in swing states.. you know little about the polls.. they use registered voters in most.. the undecided will decide this election.. and they lean right - center in those states.. if a incumbant is below 50% at this stage.. good luck.. the economy is listed as getting worse in the next couple of months.. and you will notice obama is not running on his record.. he is running by bashing romney.. that is telling.. have ya noticed how many demos have canceled going to the dems convention?? the list goes on..
can obama still win.. yes.. by lying like he did to us today.. some still fall for it.. ::)
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2011 set a record for deportations. 436,000. More than bush ever did or anyone else. Do you stay on fox channel or something? You seem to get spoon fed half the story. Im out, time for the chicken, salad, potato stuff. ;D
This ain't 2011. It's 2012 and with Obama's job on the line, he just ordered his administration to cease with the deporting, to suck up to the Latino voters. Now, you claim he's simply going to deport them, if they don't pay for health insurance.
Do you stay on MSNBC or something? You are squawking the left's talking points virtually verbatim.
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dems lost in a landslide in 2010 based on obamacare.. now that the middle class will find out that this is "now" a tax.. good luck mr president.. obama got this through by announcing it was not a tax.. but, his lawyers, once again argued that it was a tax in order to get it passed because obama knew he was screwed trying to get it passed under the commerce clause.. so he lied..plain and simple...
as for him doing well in swing states.. you know little about the polls.. they use registered voters in most.. the undecided will decide this election.. and they lean right - center in those states.. if a incumbant is below 50% at this stage.. good luck.. the economy is listed as getting worse in the next couple of months.. and you will notice obama is not running on his record.. he is running by bashing romney.. that is telling.. have ya noticed how many demos have canceled going to the dems convention?? the list goes on..
can obama still win.. yes.. by lying like he did to us today.. some still fall for it.. ::)
As stated earlier, three states Obama won easily in 2008 have gone "toss-up"; one just switched to "Leans Romney".
Thanks to the gay "marriage" flop, he can kiss NC goodbye.
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Oslama is a POS Socialist c unt who is torching the middle class. Hope that fucker has a mjor heart attack and dies VERY soon.
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Oslama is a POS Socialist c unt who is torching the middle class. Hope that fucker has a mjor heart attack and dies VERY soon.
Well, that's not a very nice thing to say at all.
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Well, that's not a very nice thing to say at all.
Stay in China, Putz!
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I guess the Republicans won't have to worry about spiking that football.
Huge win for Obama and the American people.
Best court decision I've heard in my lifetime.
We really will not know for 5-10 years whether the bill really is any good or sustainable for that matter. At that point, give or take, we will also know whether it was a good decision by the court
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You think so?
I do. It's still a tax and most people don't want more tax. He just taxed the shit out of the middle class.....the ones he said wouldn't get taxed. And libs still think he's some middle class saviour? Suckers.
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I do. It's still a tax and most people don't want more tax. He just taxed the shit out of the middle class.....the ones he said wouldn't get taxed. And libs still think he's some middle class saviour? Suckers.
I hope you're right.
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I do. It's still a tax and most people don't want more tax. He just taxed the shit out of the middle class.....the ones he said wouldn't get taxed. And libs still think he's some middle class saviour? Suckers.
Obama and his ghetto communist lemmings belong at the bottom of the ocean.
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But, Obama and the Dems claimed that ObamaCare was NOT a tax.
In other words, they LIED their keisters off, to pass something which wouldn't have passed, if they'd told the truth and been "transparent" about this mess.
No one lied about anything. Chief Justice Roberts found Obamacare to be constitutional via the tax clause. I did not listen to the oral arguments; however, it was reported that the tax clause issue was not argued (if someone heard different let me know). Thus, Roberts found his own way to find this constitutional (which is not unheard of by the Supreme Court). ASSUMING the tax clause argument was included in the brief submitted to the Court, it was certainly not the main argument. It would have been a "last resort" argument (again, assuming it was argued at all). Moreover, even IF it was the main argument in the brief...Obama could have signed the bill with the intention that it would have been deemed constitutional via the commerce clause. As such, no one lied about anything.
All that said, I am not sure if this healthcare plan is the worst plan ever or something that will change America's overall health in a very positive way.
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No one lied about anything. Chief Justice Roberts found Obamacare to be constitutional via the tax clause. I did not listen to the oral arguments; however, it was reported that the tax clause issue was not argued (if someone heard different let me know). Thus, Roberts found his own way to find this constitutional (which is not unheard of by the Supreme Court). ASSUMING the tax clause argument was included in the brief submitted to the Court, it was certainly not the main argument. It would have been a "last resort" argument (again, assuming it was argued at all). Moreover, even IF it was the main argument in the brief...Obama could have signed the bill with the intention that it would have been deemed constitutional via the commerce clause. As such, no one lied about anything.
All that said, I am not sure if this healthcare plan is the worst plan ever or something that will change America's overall health in a very positive way.
Obama and his administration said, in plain language to the American people, that ObamaCare was NOT a tax. Yet, under oath, Obama's lawyers said that it WAS a tax and thus it could be levied on the American people.
That is a LIE, pure and simple. And, they know it; otherwise, they would have NEVER passed this garbage.
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Obama and his administration said, in plain language to the American people, that ObamaCare was NOT a tax. Yet, under oath, Obama's lawyers said that it WAS a tax and thus it could be levied on the American people.
That is a LIE, pure and simple. And, they know it; otherwise, they would have NEVER passed this garbage.
It's not a LIE unless Obama signed this bill with the intent that it would be constitutional under the tax clause. It was their alternative argument, their main argument was the commerce clause...which is most likely what Obama had in mind when he signed this bill. The fact that the issue was complex enough to have 9 of the most intelligent legal minds split 5-4, should be enough to tell you that Obama could not have known that this bill would IN FACT be a tax. Unless you have evidence that Obama saw this healthcare plan being found constitutional under the tax clause, (which NO one saw coming or being a legitimate argument) he cannot be deemed a liar.
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It's not a LIE unless Obama signed this bill with the intent that it would be constitutional under the tax clause. It was their alternative argument, their main argument was the commerce clause...which is most likely what Obama had in mind when he signed this bill. The fact that the issue was complex enough to have 9 legal minds split 5-4 should be enough to tell you that Obama could not have known that this bill would IN FACT be a tax. Unless you have evidence that Obama saw this healthcare plan being found constitutional under the tax clause, (which NO one saw coming or being a legitimate argument) he cannot be deemed a liar.
IT WAS a lie, because he was asked, point blank, if ObamaCare was a tax. He said it was not, as did his supporters.
And, since Obama also claimed he wouldn't raise taxes on the middle class, he LIED about that, too.
Do you really think that the ObamaCare lawyers made their case about this being a TAX, with Obama having no clue as to what they were doing? PLEASE!!
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Do you really think that the ObamaCare lawyers made their case about this being a TAX, with Obama having no clue as to what they were doing? PLEASE!!
No, I am not saying that. I am saying that after all was said and done, the lawyers needed to use the "kitchen sink approach" and throw all the possible winning theories at the Court. The tax clause theory was included and was successful. You are making the assumption that when Obama signed the bill and stated it was not a tax, that he planned on taking this to the Supreme Court and arguing the tax clause theory. That is VERY doubtful....
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No, I am not saying that. I am saying that after all was said and done, the lawyers needed to use the "kitchen sink approach" and throw all the possible winning theories at the Court. The tax clause theory was included and was successful. You are making the assumption that when Obama signed the bill and stated it was not a tax, that he planned on taking this to the Supreme Court and arguing the tax clause theory. That is VERY doubtful....
Ends justify the. Means for one of the worst laws ever passed. Yeah freedom!
fuck you moron! V
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Ends justify the. Means for one of the worst laws ever passed. Yeah freedom!
fuck you moron! V
Your attack is laughable. I merely stated that Obama didn't lie when he stated the healthcare plan was not a tax. My opinion regarding its rank, from the best to worst law ever passed, was never shared. Your reading comprehension is less than adequate.
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Can we get a raise of hands on how many of you douchers have your own policy and are/would be prepared for a catastrophic physical let down?
If you don't, why should my existing policy be what it is dollar-wise because you welch out on your hospital bill after being treated for your torn this or that?
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No, I am not saying that. I am saying that after all was said and done, the lawyers needed to use the "kitchen sink approach" and throw all the possible winning theories at the Court. The tax clause theory was included and was successful. You are making the assumption that when Obama signed the bill and stated it was not a tax, that he planned on taking this to the Supreme Court and arguing the tax clause theory. That is VERY doubtful....
Not doubtful at all. When your signature piece of legislature is on the line, after you've declared that it's not a tax, there is NO WAY you're going to let your legal team go to work, without knowing what strategy they're using.
Now, Obama has to explain why he (and the other Dems) misled the people by doing the very thing he said he wouldn't do: RAISE THEIR TAXES (not to mention he's going to do it AGAIN when the Bush Tax Cuts expire).
ObamaCare got the Dems clobbered in 2010; the sequel is queued up for 2012.
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Not doubtful at all. When your signature piece of legislature is on the line, after you've declared that it's not a tax, there is NO WAY you're going to let your legal team go to work, without knowing what strategy they're using.
Now, Obama has to explain why he (and the other Dems) misled the people by doing the very thing he said he wouldn't do: RAISE THEIR TAXES (not to mention he's going to do it AGAIN when the Bush Tax Cuts expire).
ObamaCare got the Dems clobbered in 2010; the sequel is queued up for 2012.
So, when Obama signed this piece of legislation and then told the people that it was not a tax...he ALREADY knew it was going to be challenged and headed to the Supreme Court?
For some reason, you are assuming a legal team put together a defense fit to argue in front of the Supreme Court...prior to the healthcare plan being challenged...
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still waiting but the main thing is that our asses are going to be taxed for it....although I don't pay for my benefits so it doesn't really matter to me
Why pay taxes when they can just print more money?
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Obama and his ghetto communist lemmings belong at the bottom of the ocean.
You're getting dangerously close to being reported to the FBI.
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You're getting dangerously close to being reported to the FBI.
lmao...we should for shits and giggles...he wouldn't recover.
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You're getting dangerously close to being reported to the FBI.
Yeah...like he's the only one who thinks this way. Most heavily protected "President" in the history of this country.....and for good reason.
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Yeah...like he's the only one who thinks this way. Most heavily protected "President" in the history of this country.....and for good reason.
The clown lives in China and teaches english. He needs Oslama, when he gets back to the US he'll be first in line for Oslama handouts.
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No you don't get get it.
Obamacare mandates far more than ER coverage.
Jesus Christ! Don't Americans have to buy auto insurance? What's the difference? Britain and Canada have a national healthcare system and you know what? It's a good thing, unless you want to pay twenty thousand dollars to fix your broken leg. Sure we pay for it in higher taxes but it's not the end of the world. How is this plan different from Romney's? It's fun watching him squirm when reporters bring up the similarities.
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Jesus Christ! Don't Americans have to buy auto insurance? What's the difference? Britain and Canada have a national healthcare system and you know what? It's a good thing, unless you want to pay twenty thousand dollars to fix your broken leg. Sure we pay for it in higher taxes but it's not the end of the world. How is this plan different from Romney's? It's fun watching him squirm when reporters bring up the similarities.
Are you mandated to drive or purchase a car from the Federal Govt?
YES OR NO?
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Day 2 of Obamacare and I still have not received any free Dianabol! >:(
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Day 2 of Obamacare and I still have not received any free Dianabol! >:(
Nor will you. The only thing you are going to get from obamacare is a mandate to buy expensive insurance covering things you will never use.
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Jesus Christ! Don't Americans have to buy auto insurance? What's the difference? Britain and Canada have a national healthcare system and you know what? It's a good thing, unless you want to pay twenty thousand dollars to fix your broken leg. Sure we pay for it in higher taxes but it's not the end of the world. How is this plan different from Romney's? It's fun watching him squirm when reporters bring up the similarities.
Auto Insurance is as big as bullshit as a Healthcare Mandate. The Government should not have the power to force an individual into buying a private product.
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Yeah...like he's the only one who thinks this way. Most heavily protected "President" in the history of this country.....and for good reason.
You can use "quotes" all you like, but you can't threaten the POTUS.
I was no Bush fan, but I knew well enough not to threaten.
You want to see some shit come down on you hard, just try it.
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Auto Insurance is as big as bullshit as a Healthcare Mandate. The Government should not have the power to force an individual into buying a private product.
Exactly. We are forced, by men with guns, to prove that we have auto insurance. Insanity. Madness.
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Did any of you really think that another chance to merge big government and big business wouldn't be passed by the elites?
Really?
Nah, but you go on thinking it's a left/right problem that can be solved in the voting booth. ::)
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Auto Insurance is as big as bullshit as a Healthcare Mandate. The Government should not have the power to force an individual into buying a private product.
Right, an unemployed drunk with no prospects should be able to get a car and financially destroy as many lives as he likes.
It's about freedom.
This is obviously a ploy to take our guns and hide the fact that slaves loved slavery.
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Auto Insurance is as big as bullshit as a Healthcare Mandate. The Government should not have the power to force an individual into buying a private product.
Don't know TA, you would be shit out of luck if you got into an accident with someone without insurance. I think forced auto insurance is more important then forced health insurance.
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Don't know TA, you would be shit out of luck if you got into an accident with someone without insurance. I think forced auto insurance is more important then forced health insurance.
What about the fact that virtually everyone is going to need health insurance at some point?
In another sense, if you will, everyone is driving a car once they are born.
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Consider the below examples I came up with now totally legitimate under Roberts’ treasonous decision. This does not even scratch the surface of the congress’ new powers:
Apple lobbies obama and the congress to force people to buy an ipad as part of an “education law” or face a tax penalty - legal
Ruger lobbies Romney to force Americans to buy firearms and take self defense classes under ‘anti-Crime” law or face a tax - legal
Chevy wants to recoup its losses from the bailout by lobbying congress to force us to buy a volt or face a tax - legal
Solyndra lobbies obama to force americans to buy its solar panels under new “Environmental Law” or face a tax - legal
NYSC lobbies Romney to force people to buy gym memberships under new “Anti-Obesity” law or face a tax - legal
Monsanto lobbies Obama to force american to buy tomatos, salads, etc under new “Safe Food” law or face a tax - legal
Trek lobbies the congress and president to force people to by a mountain bike as part of “anti-obesity” law or face a tax - legal
Valvoline lobbies president and congress to mandate proof of oil changes in your car every 4,000 miles as part of “transportation law” or face a tax - legal
American Standard lobbies president and congress to by new toilet bowl w new tech as part of “safe water” act or face a tax - legal
Johnson and Johnson lobbies congress to force women to use “green tampons” as part of a “environmental law” or face a tax, legal
National Assoc. of Realtors lobbies Romney and the Congress as part of a “Economic Growth Law” to force Homeowners to purchase mandatory home warranty for 5 years - Legal
See where this is going folks? Roberts is a traitor as he almost single handidly made us slaves this week to literally anything these thugs in the congress want to compel us into.
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Don't know TA, you would be shit out of luck if you got into an accident with someone without insurance. I think forced auto insurance is more important then forced health insurance.
Someone hit me before and they didn`t have insurance, yet I did. My Insurance covered it.
I think Insurance should be optional. If two people get in a wreck and they don`t have insurance, then they should take it to the courts and sue in a civil manner which they have every right to do. Insurance should NOT be required. I don`t see a single scenario where it would or should be required.
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Right, an unemployed drunk with no prospects should be able to get a car and financially destroy as many lives as he likes.
It's about freedom.
This is obviously a ploy to take our guns and hide the fact that slaves loved slavery.
There are a ton of unemployed Drunks with auto insurance who kill people with their cars, what is your point?
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Someone hit me before and they didn`t have insurance, yet I did. My Insurance covered it.
I think Insurance should be optional. If two people get in a wreck and they don`t have insurance, then they should take it to the courts and sue in a civil manner which they have every right to do. Insurance should NOT be required. I don`t see a single scenario where it would or should be required.
TA - do you think my above examples are not legit?
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What about the fact that virtually everyone is going to need health insurance at some point?
In another sense, if you will, everyone is driving a car once they are born.
Supporting the Private Health Insurance Industry and making them the sole dictators of people`s treatment is NOT the way to go. A National Health System, Single Payer, TRUE UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE is the way to go. The Private Insurance system is a failed joke only looking to make a profit off of human suffering and misery. Their goal is NOT to help people, but to make the most profit possible.
You support this shit, you are a moron.
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TA - do you think my above examples are not legit?
I see them as valid. I never thought I would see the day when the FEDERAL Government would FORCE its citizens to purchase a product from the Private Sector or face a fine/tax.
This should not stand and I support the Republican repeal 100 percent.
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What about the fact that virtually everyone is going to need health insurance at some point?
In another sense, if you will, everyone is driving a car once they are born.
The difference being, you have car insurance to cover someone else, in case you fuck their shit up.
Health Insurance is your own responsibility. The government shouldnt be able to mandate that you HAVE TO BUY insurance for yourself.
Cmon man, get passed the "everyone has a right to healthcare" and look at Obamacare for what it really is. Its not about health insurance - its about private insurance companies bottom lines. Of all people I figured you'd be all over that shit.
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I see them as valid. I never thought I would see the day when the FEDERAL Government would FORCE its citizens to purchase a product from the Private Sector or face a fine/tax.
This should not stand and I support the Republican repeal 100 percent.
And, the difference between purchasing something from the government and purchasing something from the private sector would be......
This ObamaCare mess is about eventually forcing people onto government run healthcare by driving the private sector bankrupt. So, contrary to what Obama stated, you will NOT get to keep your plan if you like it. Your employer will likely unload it to the government and cut costs.
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Supporting the Private Health Insurance Industry and making them the sole dictators of people`s treatment is NOT the way to go. A National Health System, Single Payer, TRUE UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE is the way to go. The Private Insurance system is a failed joke only looking to make a profit off of human suffering and misery. Their goal is NOT to help people, but to make the most profit possible.
You support this shit, you are a moron.
Do you know that pre-existing conditions must be covered now?
That was a major hurdle before. Insurance companies could simply keep out the people who need insurance the most in order to maximize profits.
You knew that, right?
Why are you name-calling on the internet now? I don't remember you doing it before.
I wrote unemployed drunk driver when I should have written uninsured drunk driver. It is now a crime not to have insurance and drive, which isn't perfect, but at least it cuts down on that bullshit happening, not to mention making it a crime.
Were you born into wealth?
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Someone hit me before and they didn`t have insurance, yet I did. My Insurance covered it.
I think Insurance should be optional. If two people get in a wreck and they don`t have insurance, then they should take it to the courts and sue in a civil manner which they have every right to do. Insurance should NOT be required. I don`t see a single scenario where it would or should be required.
Well it sounds like the guy who hit you was probably driving without insurance for years and probably saved himself thousands of dollars. I'm sure there are lots of assholes like that out there, guys who can't get insurance because of multiple DUIs, driving with suspended licences. Because you had insurance I'm pretty sure your insurance company had to recoup their loss somehow, either they sued the guy or they raised your rates.
To say you can't think of a single instance you think insurance would be required is, well, assinine. Suppose you are out in your brand new Vette and some guy scrapes you in the parking lot causing ten thousand dollars worth of damage and takes off. What are you going to do? Pay for it out of your pocket?
I was rear ended once and my car was totaled. I got my check within a week. To take someone to court takes months, Maybe he is wealthy and has a five hundred dollar an hour lawyer on retainer and decides to bury you in paper work and legal fees. What if your young daughter gets crippled for life and will need medical care for the rest of her life? The senarios are endless, I could go on for pages but my fingers are tired.
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What about the fact that virtually everyone is going to need health insurance at some point?
In another sense, if you will, everyone is driving a car once they are born.
Food is even more essential than healthcare, high quality food. Why is their no nationalized grocery system? I'm serious, at least a million people in the United States could be considered malnourished. Children in Appalachia have rotten teeth from eating so much candy and pop.
Would you support nationalized groceries?
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You're not required to have insurance in a lot of states if you post a bond with the DMV.
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You're not required to have insurance in a lot of states if you post a bond with the DMV.
Auto insurance is nothing like ThugCare.
And the ER issue is a sham since most of the people abusing the ER are illegals from mexico and south of the border.
FU Obama
FU Cuntlosi
FU Reid
FU Roberts
FUGWB
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Auto insurance is nothing like ThugCare.
And the ER issue is a sham since most of the people abusing the ER are illegals from mexico and south of the border.
FU Obama
FU Cuntlosi
FU Reid
FU Roberts
FUGWB
I have a police scanner. Ten or so calls a day are dispatches to real emergencies in middle and upper class neighborhoods. The other three hundred (and I am not exaggerating here at all) are to lower income areas of town for absolute bullshit.
Calls to the ghetto for "sunburns", "toe nail that fell off", "kid with his penis stuck in a shampoo bottle" (swear to god), "Child that hasn't had a bowel movement in eight hours", etc.... All non emergency calls to the ghetto.
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I have a police scanner. Ten or so calls a day are dispatches to real emergencies in middle and upper class neighborhoods. The other three hundred (and I am not exaggerating here at all) are to lower income areas of town for absolute bullshit.
Calls to the ghetto for "sunburns", "toe nail that fell off", "kid with his penis stuck in a shampoo bottle" (swear to god), "Child that hasn't had a bowel movement in eight hours", etc.... All non emergency calls to the ghetto.
20% of this nation is sucking out 80% of the resources.
The ghetto thugs, illegals, welfare mobs, Section 8 scumbags, WIC addicts, dopers, enviro-communists, LGBT, et al are destroying this nation w their endless demands for more free shit.
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20% of this nation is sucking out 80% of the resources.
The ghetto thugs, illegals, welfare mobs, Section 8 scumbags, WIC addicts, dopers, enviro-communists, LGBT, et al are destroying this nation w their endless demands for more free shit.
It's weird, but that 20/80 rule seems to apply to everything.
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Did any of you really think that another chance to merge big government and big business wouldn't be passed by the elites?
Really?
Nah, but you go on thinking it's a left/right problem that can be solved in the voting booth. ::)
I know where you're coming from and I don't believe it's going to stop there I believe things are just going to keep getting worse. Before you know it there be another false flag attack in order to attack our individual rights and freedoms that we have left. We have choices in front of us and I'm speaking to all of you - either we keep living as slaves or we choose to take action and use our 2nd Amendment rights.
"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty. " - Thomas Jefferson
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Well it sounds like the guy who hit you was probably driving without insurance for years and probably saved himself thousands of dollars. I'm sure there are lots of assholes like that out there, guys who can't get insurance because of multiple DUIs, driving with suspended licences. Because you had insurance I'm pretty sure your insurance company had to recoup their loss somehow, either they sued the guy or they raised your rates.
To say you can't think of a single instance you think insurance would be required is, well, assinine. Suppose you are out in your brand new Vette and some guy scrapes you in the parking lot causing ten thousand dollars worth of damage and takes off. What are you going to do? Pay for it out of your pocket?
I was rear ended once and my car was totaled. I got my check within a week. To take someone to court takes months, Maybe he is wealthy and has a five hundred dollar an hour lawyer on retainer and decides to bury you in paper work and legal fees. What if your young daughter gets crippled for life and will need medical care for the rest of her life? The senarios are endless, I could go on for pages but my fingers are tired.
1. Your Vette Example: Insurance should cover YOUR property should you choose to have a policy. If someone hits you, your insurance pays. If you choose not to have insurance, you pay. You should have both options available and not be forced to buy insurance.
2. I don`t understand what a crippled family member has to do with Insurance. You can choose to have Insurance and it should cover you and nobody else. Insurance should be for YOUR protection. Someone elses insurance policy should not be for anyone else but themselves. Furthermore, one can sue and get a civil judgement pretty easily.
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1. Your Vette Example: Insurance should cover YOUR property should you choose to have a policy. If someone hits you, your insurance pays. If you choose not to have insurance, you pay. You should have both options available and not be forced to buy insurance.
2. I don`t understand what a crippled family member has to do with Insurance. You can choose to have Insurance and it should cover you and nobody else. Insurance should be for YOUR protection. Someone elses insurance policy should not be for anyone else but themselves. Furthermore, one can sue and get a civil judgement pretty easily.
Too much common sense for the slaves to grasp TA. Good post BTW
These idiots cheering on what Roberts did have no clue what has been unleashed.
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1. Your Vette Example: Insurance should cover YOUR property should you choose to have a policy. If someone hits you, your insurance pays. If you choose not to have insurance, you pay. You should have both options available and not be forced to buy insurance.
2. I don`t understand what a crippled family member has to do with Insurance. You can choose to have Insurance and it should cover you and nobody else. Insurance should be for YOUR protection. Someone elses insurance policy should not be for anyone else but themselves. Furthermore, one can sue and get a civil judgement pretty easily.
There's just one problem with your premise. You're only complaining about the government forcing people to buy insurance, because most insurance companies and policies are in the PRIVATE SECTOR.
However, you seem to have no problem with people being forced to buy insurance when it's run by the government.
So, for you, the issue isn't the principle that government can't force somebody to buy something, only who gets the checks (government vs. private sector).
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There's just one problem with your premise. You're only complaining about the government forcing people to buy insurance, because most insurance companies and policies are in the PRIVATE SECTOR.
However, you seem to have no problem with people being forced to buy insurance when it's run by the government.
What gives?
Wrong. I don`t know where you came up with that assumption. I support a single payer system without any insurance from anybody unless you want some sort of special coverage which would be for things such as plastic surgery etc..
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The difference being, you have car insurance to cover someone else, in case you fuck their shit up.
Health Insurance is your own responsibility. The government shouldnt be able to mandate that you HAVE TO BUY insurance for yourself.
Cmon man, get passed the "everyone has a right to healthcare" and look at Obamacare for what it really is. Its not about health insurance - its about private insurance companies bottom lines. Of all people I figured you'd be all over that shit.
We ALREADY pay for free-loaders. This is an attempt to put that to a stop.
I figured fiscally responsible people would WANT to get rid of free-loaders.
And it's not just health insurance, we're talking about. If someone is financially destroyed due to medical bills, they are going to need other kinds of assistance (housing, food, etc.) Who do you think pays for that?
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1. Your Vette Example: Insurance should cover YOUR property should you choose to have a policy. If someone hits you, your insurance pays. If you choose not to have insurance, you pay. You should have both options available and not be forced to buy insurance.
2. I don`t understand what a crippled family member has to do with Insurance. You can choose to have Insurance and it should cover you and nobody else. Insurance should be for YOUR protection. Someone elses insurance policy should not be for anyone else but themselves. Furthermore, one can sue and get a civil judgement pretty easily.
Vette example. Why would anyone not choose to have insurance if you have a decent car? Do you know that a simple rear end bump could cost $3500 to repair, minimum. If you allow people the option then the ones with no insurance are going to be well, your typical welfare case and local hillbilly driving a seventies junker.
No2 I'm saying your family member gets crippled in a car accident. Insurance covers everyone in the car. If the other guy has none well it could take years to see any money and you need it NOW. The insurance company has to take this individual to court and sue...If he can't afford insurance then believe me he probably doesn't have a lot of assets to go after. You don't want these people on the road. I don't know where you get the notion that it is easy to sue someone in a civil case. Probably been watching too much Judge Judy. A former girlfriend of mine was hit by a car while riding her bycycle and even though he had insurance it took her five years to see any money. Now if you were to say the insurance companies are ripping us off then I agree with that but no one should be driving without insurance.
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You dummies seem to forget its called romneycare.
Obama is just using something which worked for romney. BTW Its hilarious top see romney throw himself under the bus for it cuz the GOP doesnt find it convenient anymore...because obamas using it.....LMAO.