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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: blaster on December 15, 2005, 07:45:55 PM
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I thought I'd start this thread for the new guys who might be thinking of juicing and are wondering if the stories they have heard are true. Personally, when I was a kid, we watched a video at school and all I can remember was the guy telling us his "nuts shrank to the size of raisins". He was an NFL player, and I'm not sure but I think he was the guy who died of a coke OD.
Anyway, I'll start. Here's MY side effects:
Pimples- I have a few pimples on my back and shoulders. Nothing major. When I took dbols, and all at once (which you shouldn't do) I got boil like pimples on my face.
Hair- I've got more hair on my chest and belly, plus a few my back. Mind you, I'm only 25 so I migt be getting hairier naturally.
Slight aggression- I have been irratable slightly when on Sustanon. By this I mean when someone fucked with me, normally I'd let it go. When on Sust, I'd give them the opportunity to punch on. That's all. I didn't turn into a crazed axe murderer.
Possible kidney pain- when I was on dbols only, I felt slight pain in my kidneys. I stopped taking orals after that and guess what? No more pain.
And last but not least- MUSCLE GROWTH! I went from 100kgs to 110 kgs with less fat and way more shape.
This was only with moderate doses and a pretty ordinary diet. I have had my blood work done and the doc said everything is fine except a slight raise in cholesterol (but it was still pretty good) and my estrogen levels were too high (I can't find any AI).
So moral of the story is:
Gear is no worse for you than drinking or smoking or eating shit food. If you wanna do it, study up, talk to people in the know and make your own decision. Good luck.
P.S The side effects I mentioned go away when you go off.
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The worst side effect, that's easy... it's busting at the seems for the next cycle... when off, it about drives me crazy!
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The worst side effect, that's easy... it's busting at the seems for the next cycle... when off, it about drives me crazy!
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention a couple more.
Deca dick- on Deca, I aint interested in sex. It's weird.
Depression- when I'm off and can't lift as much or don't look as good, I get depressed. Not so much as I wanna kill myself or anything, but just more upset. Like if you had tickets to the NBA finals and lost them.
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Occasional bitching and griping from spouse that does not understand or support this pursuit . . .
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Occasional bitching and griping from spouse that does not understand or support this pursuit . . .
Oh yeah, I've spent many a conversation trying to justify my 'habit' to people who do not know what I know.
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Oh yeah, I've spent many a conversation trying to justify my 'habit' to people who do not know what I know.
I don't try to justify it to anyone... let them think whatever they want, I could care less. I pretty much keep the gear to myself, but if there is someone who knows and they want to bitch me out, I just tell them to mind there own business.
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for me its acne that upsets me, and my back has became more hairy, whick freakin sucks, im 20 and i should not have that shit on my back but i guess its the price i pay for trying to reach my goal of having, in my opinion, the eprfect body!
muscle
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Have a GF shave your back for you. Naked in the shower with a big tited, fine ass woman always leads to some real fun afterward :D
Damn i gotta get that chick back :(
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blood pressure - 180 over 110 for a while
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blood pressure - 180 over 110 for a while
Whew that's a wacked BP
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Have a GF shave your back for you. Naked in the shower with a big tited, fine ass woman always leads to some real fun afterward :D
Damn i gotta get that chick back :(
I quite enjoy the unique pain from my gf plucking them one by one. It's kind of relaxing. Make sure she rubs the site immediately after plucking though.
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Ouch!^
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I quite enjoy the unique pain from my gf plucking them one by one. It's kind of relaxing. Make sure she rubs the site immediately after plucking though.
Sadistic MAN - I do understand.
Once you feel initial pain - I think endophins
kick-in and you really don't feel it till she gets
to your - - - - - . ;)
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Nair's 4-minute formula works great. I have blond hair, so I only feel the need to use it about every 4 months. My wife puts it on for me.
Side effects?
I got slight unilateral gyno in my 20s, when I didn't know what I was doing and used no ancillaries at all. It actually went away over time. Also, I find that deca decreases my sex drive, even when combined with test. No problem with performance, just "uninterested." I have a better ratio this cycle (around 1:3) so we'll see... Other than that, none (total# of cycles around 5 or 6).
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Can anyone else comment on the depression aspect? Sounds reseaonable...I just want to brace myself....
If I lost PLAYOFF tix, I WOULD BE WAY MORE THAN DEPRESSED >:(
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Imagine going from benching 160kgs back to 120kgs in a matter of days/weeks.
It's like someone has shaved your eyebrows off and you have to go out in public.
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I can bench 160kg now, so I would be pissed if i dropped down to 120kg ;D
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I'm still natural, 24 years old, and been training for nearly 4 years. I'm dying to do a cycle but I'd rather wait a few more years as I beleive I can still grow naturally.
I could imagine how shitty it must feel coming of a cycle. Which is what I really worry about sometimes when that time will come for me to juice.
Also, I think about what happens after that first cycle?
Would I become dependent on steroids forever and always be planning the next cycle?
I love bbing but I wonder if that would change once I juiced ???
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I'm still natural, 24 years old, and been training for nearly 4 years. I'm dying to do a cycle but I'd rather wait a few more years as I beleive I can still grow naturally.
I could imagine how shitty it must feel coming of a cycle. Which is what I really worry about sometimes when that time will come for me to juice.
Also, I think about what happens after that first cycle?
Would I become dependent on steroids forever and always be planning the next cycle?
I love bbing but I wonder if that would change once I juiced ???
I think you've got to get your hear around the fact that on the juice you are extra special, so to speak.
If you can accept that off the gear you are normal, then you will be ok. This is the attitude that I'm gonna take when I come off.
As long as off the juice you still train hard and can lift as much as, or more than, before you were on.
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def. has to be the deca dik....fine ass right infront of me....no interest at all even though I would wake upwith a perpetual hard-on....oh and the nut shrikage from a non-AI cycle back in the day....so what's wrong with a bit of shrinkage? makes the rest of it look even bigger ;)
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def. has to be the deca dik....fine ass right infront of me....no interest at all even though I would wake upwith a perpetual hard-on....oh and the nut shrikage from a non-AI cycle back in the day....so what's wrong with a bit of shrinkage? makes the rest of it look even bigger ;)
Yep, I came home one day after work and the missus greeted me in nothing but a pair of little French knickers.
I was on Deca and had to force myself to fuck her. But cause I wasn't into it I lasted forever and she was happy. :o
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I'm still natural, 24 years old, and been training for nearly 4 years. I'm dying to do a cycle but I'd rather wait a few more years as I beleive I can still grow naturally.
I could imagine how shitty it must feel coming of a cycle. Which is what I really worry about sometimes when that time will come for me to juice.
Also, I think about what happens after that first cycle?
Would I become dependent on steroids forever and always be planning the next cycle?
I love bbing but I wonder if that would change once I juiced ???
Bebe Borracho,
Once you crossover to the "Dark Side", everything changes.
You elevate your anabolic environment and you are in fact, enhanced.
Don't worry about coming off cycle, as long as you have researched and planned out your PCT the way you should, it won't be that big a deal.
Sure you'll lose some size and strength, but you will also have made permanent gains that you will keep as long as you keep training, "natural" or not.
After your first cycle you can make a choice as to whether you will want to keep cycling or stay clean. You will only become dependent on AAS if another area in your life is lacking and the Anabolics become your only sense of happiness and fullfillment.
So basically, keep your life in order and you should be straight.
Besides.......one cycle is nothing, you still have a long way to go in order to understand all the basics of AAS and how your body responds to them. It takes a few cycle to understand what works for you.
One last thing: Decadick is real, nothing you want to deal with. Make sure your Test:Deca ration is at least 3:2 and preferably 2:1.
DIV
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Props to Blaster and Div for your words of advice.
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'After your first cycle you can make a choice as to whether you will want to keep cycling or stay clean. You will only become dependent on AAS if another area in your life is lacking and the Anabolics become your only sense of happiness and fullfillment.'
This answers my question....Good Advise
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bad acne fromsome shitty russian D I took a while back, a little moody but really nothing to take notice of Love being on Test feel great suppressed hunger sometime I gotta force my self for shovel that extra chicken breast ... back injury now waiting to heal to start a new cycle just trying to keep my diet and supplementation in check tryin not to stray off too far gonne be a Test, EQ, Win cycle ,with all the PCT goodies and a front of pinkies
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A SLIGHT CASE OF GYNO AND A BIT OF HIGH BP TO MATCH THOSE 3 HUGE PIMPLES ON MY BACK.NOTHING MAJOR.BETTER PLANNING AND EXPERIENCE ELIMINATED ALL THOSE THINGS.
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The very worst side,is skipping the house payment to get
more gear!!!! the juice is the most addicting thing I have ever done and I have
tried every drug known to man.
it is also the best thing for me when I am on cycle it means no drinking,smoking
no late nights at the bar you will eat healthier you will take better care of yourself
than you ever have you will work out harder and more often than you ever have
and want more time in the gym. and for some reason all the woman will want you.
this is the worst thing i can think of LOL (the juce is good to me)
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The very worst side,is skipping the house payment to get
more gear!!!! the juice is the most addicting thing I have ever done and I have
tried every drug known to man.
it is also the best thing for me when I am on cycle it means no drinking,smoking
no late nights at the bar you will eat healthier you will take better care of yourself
than you ever have you will work out harder and more often than you ever have
and want more time in the gym. and for some reason all the woman will want you.
this is the worst thing i can think of LOL (the juce is good to me)
GET A CHEAPER SOURCE. SUCH AS A BULK POWDER SUPPLIER.
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GET A CHEAPER SOURCE. SUCH AS A BULK POWDER SUPPLIER.
Yes-I agree....cheaper source...cheaper scource.....cheaper source....
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Aside from wanting to murder people 24/7 ?... some acne breakouts , mostly on the back of my neck... high bp, crazy heartbeat...nothing major.. I get my bloodwork done a few times a year, so far the Doc hasn't seen anything out of this world, other then my cholesterol being elevated.
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I hope that's a joke.
Wanting to murder people?
You are the typical little-guy-who-got-picked-on-at-school-and-now-uses-roids to-make-yourself-big-and-tough aren't you?
I've had a slight shortening of my temper, but I never went into some mindles hulking rage where I didn't know right from wrong.
And I only got short tempered on Sust. On Deca, I reckon I was easier going and more relaxed than when I'm not on the gear.
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Aside from wanting to murder people 24/7 ?... some acne breakouts , mostly on the back of my neck... high bp, crazy heartbeat...nothing major.. I get my bloodwork done a few times a year, so far the Doc hasn't seen anything out of this world, other then my cholesterol being elevated.
those neck zits are the worst man
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- - And I only got short tempered on Sust. On Deca, I reckon I was easier going
and more relaxed than when I'm not on the gear.
I commonly do Sust/Deca based cycles - and am intense to start with. Geeze.
But r e a l l y h a v e to work at pacing myself - slow down.
to N O T be aggressive...
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I commonly do Sust/Deca based cycles - and am intense to start with. Geeze.
But r e a l l y h a v e to work at pacing myself - slow down.
N O T be aggressive...
so u reckon each cancels the other out?
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On Deca, I reckon I was easier going and more relaxed than when I'm not on the gear.
Was this a Deca only cycle?
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so u reckon each cancels the other out?
Mostly like I am so happy with my progress (build) that I cannot stay irritated for long.
M a y b e, that kind of averaging process....
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when i cycled tren for the first time, i had a hard time controlling myself, it is a pure mind fuck but one of the best roids i have ever used so far. crazy dreams, night sweats, all apart of the game i live everyday!
muscle
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when i cycled tren for the first time, i had a hard time controlling myself, it is a pure mind f**k but one of the best roids i have ever used so far. crazy dreams, night sweats, all apart of the game i live everyday!
Strange.
I have never gotten these sides from Tren. No bad dreams, no night sweats.......the only side I notice is that I get dehydrated easier and that my mind is altered, slightly aggressive, but not aggressive like Halotestin.
It's like a notch lower or two.
Halo makes me feel like a gorilla.
Tren makes me feel like a bull.
Winstrol makes me feel like a horse.
DIV
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Aside from wanting to murder people 24/7 ?... some acne breakouts , mostly on the back of my neck... high bp, crazy heartbeat...nothing major.. I get my bloodwork done a few times a year, so far the Doc hasn't seen anything out of this world, other then my cholesterol being elevated.
I USUALLY WANT TO HURT PEOPLE WITHOUT BEING ON.IT'S FUNNY CUZ I KNOW I'M A RAGING MONSTER INSIDE,SO WHEN I GET ON,IT'S LIKE I PROGRAM MYSELF TO CHILL OUT.DON'T GET ME WRONG,I STILL RAGE FROM TIME TO TIME,BUT I NEVER LET MY FURY REACH IT'S FULL POTENTIAL...
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I am just as aggressive on cycle as I am off- I dont have to much experience with juice- but the sides I have gotten so far are- night sweats, Increased erections, dry scalp, oily skin- nothing to bad so far- i am going to run some deca and test after the new year- will be interested too see how deca works for me- that or I might use EQ instead of Deca. I keep hearing about deca dick so i am reconsidering the deca/
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I keep hearing about deca dick so i am reconsidering the deca/
That only exist if your stupid... there is no need to worry about deca dick if you do things right.
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That only exist if your stupid... there is no need to worry about deca dick if you do things right.
I Agree!!!!
Lots of informed post and wisdom (related to that) here lately.
Don't even worry about that with the right program,
Test/Deca ratios and PCT.
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I USUALLY WANT TO HURT PEOPLE WITHOUT BEING ON.IT'S FUNNY CUZ I KNOW I'M A RAGING MONSTER INSIDE,SO WHEN I GET ON,IT'S LIKE I PROGRAM MYSELF TO CHILL OUT.DON'T GET ME WRONG,I STILL RAGE FROM TIME TO TIME,BUT I NEVER LET MY FURY REACH IT'S FULL POTENTIAL...
You seem like a fun guy to rile up, Michael.
Seeing you go off would be pretty funny..... ;D
I keep hearing about deca dick so i am reconsidering the deca/
You can easily prevent impotence by keeping your Test 2:1 over Deca.
Easy.
Settle down.
DIV
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You seem like a fun guy to rile up, Michael.
Seeing you go off would be pretty funny..... ;D
You can easily prevent impotence by keeping your Test 2:1 over Deca.
Easy.
Settle down.
I am passing on the Deca- I heard from a good bro that it can shut down your HPTA in as little as 3 days- It also stays in your system for a long ass time- sometimes up tp a 10-12 months- I think the EQ sounds better too me.
DIV
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I am passing on the Deca- I heard from a good bro that it can shut down your HPTA in as little as 3 days- It also stays in your system for a long ass time- sometimes up tp a 10-12 months- I think the EQ sounds better too me.
^This is true.
However, all AAS supress the HPTA. This is fact.
Traces of Deca can be stored in bodyfat for up to 18 months actually, so if drug tests are an issue it should be avoided.
DIV
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Was this a Deca only cycle?
Yes.
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deca dick and acne is the worst i have ever had
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Yes.
Do you experience any negative issues with that type of cycle. Seems like most are against them but on paper Deca seems to be relatively safe but effective.
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^This is true.
However, all AAS supress the HPTA. This is fact.
Traces of Deca can be stored in bodyfat for up to 18 months actually, so if drug tests are an issue it should be avoided.
DIV
Hold it even a bridge of Primo,J/k ;D
But really Div what do you think of the AM D-bol bridge?? 25mg d-bol am right when you wake up, how is that not fucking with the axis hardcore, just wanted to hear if you feel it's a crapshot also
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Hold it even a bridge of Primo,J/k ;D
But really Div what do you think of the AM D-bol bridge?? 25mg d-bol am right when you wake up, how is that not fucking with the axis hardcore, just wanted to hear if you feel it's a crapshot also
Any degree of AAS usage means you are on, if it supresses the HPTA you are on.
I don't build bridges.......I crash them with long 4 month cycles....
If you want to stay on all the time that is one thing, but these "bridge" theories are bullshit. You are still on when you are bridging.
DIV
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I don't build bridges.......I crash them with long 4 month cycles....
DIV
;D
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exactly, i dont see the pint of bridging, if ur on, ur on, no if ands or buts about it. all it is is just an excuss to be on ALL the time with out taking a break, maybe they think they will lose all their gains, i dont post cycle.
muscle
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Ive done only one cycle of roids in my life for a regional contest. It cost me $ , but i ve got second in the heavyweight class.
But. ive got
1-A bitch tits
2-Roid rage incidents (not really funny)
3-Testicular shrinkage
4- After the cycle I had the sex drive of a 8 years old schoolgirl
5-Liver problems
6-Heart hypertrophy
how i resolve those problems:
1-Surgery in 6 months
2-A good lawyer that cost me a hell of a pay
3-pct with clomid and hcg
4-another pct with clomid and hcg and the supp off cycle by fizogen
5-time will tell
6-NO WAY TO TREAT THIS SHIT
so .... do i will take roids again
NO FUCKIN WAY
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Ive done only one cycle of roids in my life for a regional contest. It cost me $ , but i ve got second in the heavyweight class.
But. ive got
1-A bitch tits
2-Roid rage incidents (not really funny)
3-Testicular shrinkage
4- After the cycle I had the sex drive of a 8 years old schoolgirl
5-Liver problems
6-Heart hypertrophy
how i resolve those problems:
1-Surgery in 6 months
2-A good lawyer that cost me a hell of a pay
3-pct with clomid and hcg
4-another pct with clomid and hcg and the supp off cycle by fizogen
5-time will tell
6-NO WAY TO TREAT THIS SHIT
so .... do i will take roids again
NO FUCKIN WAY
Do you have any pre-existing health issues?
Why the lawyer?
Are you claiming that steroids caused your heart and liver problems? What compounds did you take? Dosages? Duration?
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Ive done only one cycle of roids in my life for a regional contest. It cost me $ , but i ve got second in the heavyweight class.
But. ive got
1-A bitch tits
2-Roid rage incidents (not really funny)
3-Testicular shrinkage
4- After the cycle I had the sex drive of a 8 years old schoolgirl
5-Liver problems
6-Heart hypertrophy
how i resolve those problems:
1-Surgery in 6 months
2-A good lawyer that cost me a hell of a pay
3-pct with clomid and hcg
4-another pct with clomid and hcg and the supp off cycle by fizogen
5-time will tell
6-NO WAY TO TREAT THIS SHIT
so .... do i will take roids again
NO FUCKIN WAY
From one cycle?!?! I'm calling
BULL SHIT
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From one cycle?!?! I'm calling
BULL SHIT
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Agreed.
There has got to be more to this story.
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I agree thats total bullshit! This guy is making shit up.
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1) Resting heart rate over 100.
2) Calf pumps/cramps from Stenox that were insane.
3) The temper of a rabid badger.
4) Gyno, but Nolvadex always worked for me.
5) High food bills.
All things considered... nothing much.
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yeah , thatdoes seem alittle extreme, elaborate more on this
muscle
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I think the guy was fabricating his story to make a point. Yes we can see through it, kind of an interesting way to make a point though.
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Calf pumps/cramps from Stenox that were insane.
I doubt this. Cramps from Halotestin?
Never heard of these, nor have had anyone that I've had take them complain of such.
I think it was something else that caused the cramping.
I think the guy was fabricating his story to make a point. Yes we can see through it, kind of an interesting way to make a point though.
I'm tired of these "points" people make. We're looking for ancillary evidence of real situations, not hypothetical bullshit morality rants. This isn't the G&O forum, it's AAS. Real shit.........not people with hidden agendas throwing out their random shit.
DIV
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I doubt this. Cramps from Halotestin?
Never heard of these, nor have had anyone that I've had take them complain of such.
I think it was something else that caused the cramping.
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You might be right. We always attributed the cramps to the Stenox aka Halotestin but there were a few other things that may have been the culprit. We used to mix 2cc's of Sustanon 250 with 3cc's of B-12 and site inject our calves (5cc's per calf) but that would cause a different type of pain.
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You might be right. We always attributed the cramps to the Stenox aka Halotestin but there were a few other things that may have been the culprit. We used to mix 2cc's of Sustanon 250 with 3cc's of B-12 and site inject our calves (5cc's per calf) but that would caused a different type of pain.
I would say the B-12 possibly, the Sustanon might cause soreness but not cramping.
DIV
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5 cc's IN YOUR CALF? AND U WONDER WHY THE CRAMPS AND SORENESS? AN IM SHOT OF THAT VOLUME NEEDS TO BE IN A DEEP,DENSE MUSCLE...
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BM- I know 5cc's was on the high side (volume wise) for calf shots but we did it anyway :) We would shoot'em up and then train calves. Usually moderate weight and super high volume... excellent pump but the post workout soreness was crazy. We would sometimes lay on the ground with our feet up against the wall and wait for the pain to leave. It was pretty funny.
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BM- I know 5cc's was on the high side (volume wise) for calf shots but we did it anyway :) We would shoot''em up and then train calves. Usually moderate weight and super high volume... excellent pump but the post workout soreness was crazy. We would sometimes lay on the ground with our feet up against the wall and wait for the pain to leave. It was pretty funny.
WELL,THAT DOES SOUND KINDA FUNNY ;D
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BM- I know 5cc's was on the high side (volume wise) for calf shots but we did it anyway :) We would shoot''em up and then train calves. Usually moderate weight and super high volume... excellent pump but the post workout soreness was crazy. We would sometimes lay on the ground with our feet up against the wall and wait for the pain to leave. It was pretty funny.
You crazy kids and your calf shots......... ::)
When will it stop?
DIV
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When will it stop?
DIV
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It stopped when we ran out of Sustanon. ;D
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You crazy kids and your calf shots......... ::)
When will it stop?
DIV
I THINK THE QUESTION HERE IS WETHER THEIR CALVES "GREW" FROM THOSE MIRACLE SPOT INJECTS...
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I THINK THE QUESTION HERE IS WETHER THEIR CALVES "GREW" FROM THOSE MIRACLE SPOT INJECTS...
They got swollen from inflammation, but no direct muscle hypertrophy.
DIV
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They got swollen from inflammation, but no direct muscle hypertrophy.
DIV
^EXACTLY MY POINT.
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current side...
I've been on test for years and started taking clomid a week ago...
My balls are aching from expanding so quickly.. It's like blue balls except fucking doesn't help.. :o
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current side...
I've been on test for years and started taking clomid a week ago...
My balls are aching from expanding so quickly.. It's like blue balls except fucking doesn't help.. :o
How small had your nuts shrunk from years of being on the "Dark Side"?
I think you should at least be using HCG for the sake of volume in your semen.
DIV
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How small had your nuts shrunk from years of being on the "Dark Side"?
I think you should at least be using HCG for the sake of volume in your semen.
DIV
It's kinda weird... to be Frank (no pun intended)
But semen volume went down for a while, maybe 2 or 3 months, then it went up close to normal ever since,,, But after a few weeks of clomid I can put a girls eye out at 400 yards... ;D This effect tends to wear off and go back to normal after a while also.. :'(