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I don't keep track of the heavyweight division so no idea
Would Tyson be too small now to dominate or are they all a bunch of tomato cans?
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Tyson was a beast.
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Absofuckenlutely! The heavyweight division is a joke!
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Prime-Tyson could take anyone!
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Tyson would of dominated most, but the Klitschko's would've gave him trouble. I still think a prime D'amato era Tyson would win, but it would be tough. Tyson had a bit of trouble with tall fighters, and didn't fight many tall good fighters in their prime.
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Tyson would of dominated most, but the Klitschko's would've gave him trouble. I still think a prime D'amato era Tyson would win, but it would be tough. Tyson had a bit of trouble with tall fighters, and didn't fight many tall good fighters in their prime.
all the distractions in todays world must have an effect or take it's toll. It's not like Tyson or Ali had to worry about checking facebook. They must have been more focused back then.
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all the distractions in todays world must have an effect or take it's toll. It's not like Tyson or Ali had to worry about checking facebook. They must have been more focused back then.
Famous people do their own social media? Most have their PR do it and it revolves and selling products
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Yes.
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with Cus D'amato, probably, without NO CHANCE. Boxing kind of sucks today and much of the wind has been taken out by MMA. The only fight people would really want to see is Mayweather vs. Pac and that's not going to happen.
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with Cus D'amato, probably, without NO CHANCE. Boxing kind of sucks today and much of the wind has been taken out by MMA. The only fight people would really want to see is Mayweather vs. Pac and that's not going to happen.
the Mexicans/Ricans invaded boxing with their jab/clinch style. boring as fuck
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prime tyson with cus' would destroy todays heavyweight division. The K brothers are tall and do have good jabs but are to S L O W, tyson would/could get inside of their reach advantage and throw combinations that would destroy them within 3rounds.
but we are talking about prime tyson, the tyson who threw 2-3 punch combo's, not the 1 punch looking for a knockout tyson after cus.
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a PRIME tyson would dominate any era of boxing
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No, he wouldn't. To short. His career would follow a similar track. His fighting style can't be prolonged for long. Tall fighters would keep him at bay with the jab or smother him until he tired which won't take long
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No, he wouldn't. To short. His career would follow a similar track. His fighting style can't be prolonged for long. Tall fighters would keep him at bay with the jab or smother him until he tired which won't take long
Douglas caught him unprepared.
Holyfield got inside his head and he was frightened of Holyfield.
Holyfield said "Tyson has never been in a fight", he always had the advantage of having people who were scared of him in the ring.
After Holyfield he was finished.
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what heavyweight division? I would say Yes. Tysons problem was he didn't train hard enough and under-estimated alot of opponents. If the guy was the least bit sane he would of ran the heavyweight division for much longer then he did.
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Tyson would of dominated most, but the Klitschko's would've gave him trouble. I still think a prime D'amato era Tyson would win, but it would be tough. Tyson had a bit of trouble with tall fighters, and didn't fight many tall good fighters in their prime.
You're crazy if you think the young, hungry, angry, Mike Tyson would have had any trouble at all with the Klitschko brothers. One body shot and either of those two Russians would fold like a cheap tent.
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He'd still have problems with the Klits bros. Wlad would tie him up on the inside, and he's much better than Mitch Green and Tony Tucker. Vitali not easy to deal with either...good chin, power and big as well.
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Tyson must have been super tough. I never got past The Bald Bull. :-[
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beast
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a PRIME tyson would dominate any era of boxing
I agree he's easily a top three in greatest heavyweights of all time, his aggression alone stands unmatched by any athlete much less boxer. Have always been a big fan of Tyson
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yes
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Douglas caught him unprepared.
Holyfield got inside his head and he was frightened of Holyfield.
Holyfield said "Tyson has never been in a fight", he always had the advantage of having people who were scared of him in the ring.
After Holyfield he was finished.
dont agree
first fight holifield won
second fight
tyson was wining... holyfield kept headbutting him..... the referee wouldnt step in...
tyson snapped
remember what holifiled did to rahman
(http://www.boxnews.com.ua/photos/334/hasim-rahman11.jpg)
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I agree he's easily a top three in greatest heavyweights of all time, his aggression alone stands unmatched by any athlete much less boxer. Have always been a big fan of Tyson
I agree, more untapped and controlled agression than anyone. "Prime" Tyson could take any of today's guys. He would bust up their bodies and ribs like no one else.
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Tyson was built almost like a bodybuilder. Todays heavyweights are pretty fat looking.
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a PRIME tyson would dominate any era of boxing
This. People dont realise just how good he was at his absolute best, there hasnt been another like him. Forget his size compared to the freaks like the K's, Fury (the only time ill mention them in the same sentence) etc. Tyson IMO is the best fighter ill ever see in a ring, he always managed to get inside and destroy people and i dont see anyone being able to handle him at his peak.
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Aggression wins.
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(http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/mike-tyson-punch.gif)
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dont agree
first fight holifield won
second fight
tyson was wining... holyfield kept headbutting him..... the referee wouldnt step in...
tyson snapped
remember what holifiled did to rahman
(http://www.boxnews.com.ua/photos/334/hasim-rahman11.jpg)
Check out Tysons eyes at 8.20 onwards, the guy was terrified.
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Tyson and Bigg Rigg (Mute the Sound)
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tyson was brutal but so much of his game was based on beating the guy mentally before they got in the ring
if he couldn't do that he had problems
holyfield was a prime example
lewis would have beaten tyson every time- which is why mike paid him money to step aside
tyson was a destructive puncher- his combinations were good but at 5'10 ish againt a big 6'5 lewis i couldn't see him doing anything other than getting caught
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The Amato-trained Tyson was throwing 4-5 punch combos to the body and forced his opponent to drop their hands. Nobody from any era could handle that kinda hurt.
The Tyson a couple years after Amato was a whole different fighter. Impatient and poor foot work.
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Both Klitschkos would easily handle Tyson in his prime. He sucks big time against a very tall fighter. He would not last but a few rounds at the most.
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Both Klitschkos would easily handle Tyson in his prime. He sucks big time against a very tall fighter. He would not last but a few rounds at the most.
In his prime Tyson moved a lot more, Cus pretty much trained him from childhood to fight tall fighters, I think Vitali would have given him problems due to his rugged style but Wlad's jabbing can get predictable and he has a glass jaw , Mike would have caught him.
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Yes. tyson would dominate...even at the MMA level
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Mike was beyond aggressive, powerful and whole-body conscious. In his prime, he would have smashed Godzilla, for fuck sakes.
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Yet another thread in which getbiggers show their absolute ignorance of boxing.
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I don't keep track of the heavyweight division so no idea
Would Tyson be too small now to dominate or are they all a bunch of tomato cans?
Just as easily than prime Ali. It is about the talent, and that's all there is.
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Yes. tyson would dominate...even at the MMA level
He would be taken to the ground and submitted easily, he has no wrestling or jujitsu skills.
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This. People dont realise just how good he was at his absolute best, there hasnt been another like him. Forget his size compared to the freaks like the K's, Fury (the only time ill mention them in the same sentence) etc. Tyson IMO is the best fighter ill ever see in a ring, he always managed to get inside and destroy people and i dont see anyone being able to handle him at his peak.
(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x89/edwardbayntun/gifs/VanDammeBand.gif)
ahahaha
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There's still a heavyweight division???????????????
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No way Tyson's ego would have been able to handle social media...People would have come at him from all over the world. And because so, I think he wouldn't have been able to keep it together...
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id take him out "in da cage!" welcome to da top of da food chain!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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He would be taken to the ground and submitted easily, he has no wrestling or jujitsu skills.
yeh cos if you have those you can beat anyone even a beast like tyson hahahahah fucking freak. Come down maximums gym in slough tommorow night and try that shit on me and i aint even in a million miles of Tyson.knob
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yeh cos if you have those you can beat anyone even a beast like tyson hahahahah fucking freak. Come down maximums gym in slough tommorow night and try that shit on me and i aint even in a million miles of Tyson.knob
Oh, I thought we were talking about experienced fighters, I didn't realise that it meant Tyson going in the cage with people who have just fell out of the pub.
Sorry for me being dumb to think Tysons opponents would be skilled fighters. ::)
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He would be taken to the ground and submitted easily, he has no wrestling or jujitsu skills.
Prime Tyson, if he was fighting in MMA now, would have had great takedowns as well as Ground n Pound
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Mike was beyond aggressive, powerful and whole-body conscious. In his prime, he would have smashed Godzilla, for fuck sakes.
Exactly. Imagine one of these middle class white MMA twink boys getting in the cage and seeing him looking at them. Hahaha
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yeh cos if you have those you can beat anyone even a beast like tyson hahahahah fucking freak. Come down maximums gym in slough tommorow night and try that shit on me and i aint even in a million miles of Tyson.knob
Oh for fuck's sake you phaggy little twink. Girl Scouts would shit in your mouth inside a ring..... ::)
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Lots of IFs though
If they used Time-Travel and transported a 13-16 year old Tyson to the present, i'm sure he'd be training both Wrestling and JJ right about now, becoming a Huge Threat at 24 years or age
If Tyson was Born 20 years ago, who knew how he'd turn out? Maybe he'd go the way of Melvin Goodrum instead, wearing rose-tinted glasses and starting a webshop called Excalibur Fatness instead?
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Oh for fuck's sake you phaggy little twink. Girl Scouts would shit in your mouth inside a ring..... ::)
COme down Maximums tommorow at 730pm and ill crush your bones and eat your brains!
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I don't keep track of the heavyweight division so no idea
Would Tyson be too small now to dominate or are they all a bunch of tomato cans?
the two brothers would give him trouble if they would fight their type of fight, that is useing there superior reach advantage to wear down an opponent.larry holmes in his prime might have won too.
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COme down Maximums tommorow at 730pm and ill crush your bones and eat your brains!
You'd piss your fucking Garanimals if you saw me...
Dickdrainer. ::)
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Please post a pic!
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Tyson was a Pitbull. Nobody has had that kind of animal instinct in the ring since. His highlight reel of knockouts and beatdowns is legendary.
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MMA is a joke. Same as boxing. Real fighting = biting allowed. Who wants some of dat?
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Tyson would dominate TODAY, in the 1970's not so. Foreman, Holmes, Ali, possibly Frazier Norton, Shavers all put Iron Mike down.
Going back to the earlier era's - Liston beats Mike, Marciano beats Mike, Louis beats Mike, I think Dempsey puts Mike down also. NONE of these guys would have feared Mike and were all ferocious. I know some of you guys will jump on me for Marciano, Frazier and Dempsey but they all had what it took to beat Mike- it was possible they could have won .
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Tyson would dominate TODAY, in the 1970's not so. Foreman, Holmes, Ali, possibly Frazier Norton, Shavers all put Iron Mike down.
Going back to the earlier era's - Liston beats Mike, Marciano beats Mike, Louis beats Mike, I think Dempsey puts Mike down also. NONE of these guys would have feared Mike and were all ferocious. I know some of you guys will jump on me for Marciano, Frazier and Dempsey but they all had what it took to beat Mike- it was possible they could have won .
Oh brother ::) STFU.
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Prime Tyson would beat any fighter in their prime, Louis...Ali....Marciano. For some of us who remember his fights, there was nothing like that ever...
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all the distractions in todays world must have an effect or take it's toll. It's not like Tyson or Ali had to worry about checking facebook. They must have been more focused back then.
wow.
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Prime Tyson would beat any fighter in their prime, Louis...Ali....Marciano. For some of us who remember his fights, there was nothing like that ever...
This post is almost as bad as this post by T Rex:
"Tyson would dominate TODAY, in the 1970's not so. Foreman, Holmes, Ali, possibly Frazier Norton, Shavers all put Iron Mike down.
Going back to the earlier era's - Liston beats Mike, Marciano beats Mike, Louis beats Mike, I think Dempsey puts Mike down also. NONE of these guys would have feared Mike and were all ferocious. I know some of you guys will jump on me for Marciano, Frazier and Dempsey but they all had what it took to beat Mike- it was possible they could have won ."
No. A prime Tyson would not beat any fighter in their prime. Nor would Dempsey, Marciano or Frazier beat a prime Tyson.
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WHO did Tyson beat ? an old Holmes? Razor Ruddock? Spinks?
Tyson was exposed as being a GOOD fighter no doubt - but the GOAT in his prime? You must be joking friend. Yeah Marciano had a weak era also, but if you put Mike in the ring with real "killers"-Dempsey. Marciano, Frazier- he can be beaten . Heck, James Toney would have given Mike headaches all night too.
You better bone up on your boxing knowledge friend and be objective in your analysis of fighters. Tyson NEVER WRECKED A GOOD FIGHTER or showed he had heart, that is where he falls short. COULD he have been the GOAT if Cus hadn't died and he had proper handling- maybe
We will never know because as someone else said we can't find a time machine and use it
Just my opinion
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Tyson had dynamite in both hands ... most of his fights in his prime didn't make it to the second round..
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Tyson had dynamite in both hands ... most of his fights in his prime didn't make it to the second round..
Tyson's speed would have made the difference (more than his power ) also don't forget that guys like Marciano ,Dempsey .....were 190 lbs soaking wet.
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WHO did Tyson beat ? an old Holmes? Razor Ruddock? Spinks?
Tyson was exposed as being a GOOD fighter no doubt - but the GOAT in his prime? You must be joking friend. Yeah Marciano had a weak era also, but if you put Mike in the ring with real "killers"-Dempsey. Marciano, Frazier- he can be beaten . Heck, James Toney would have given Mike headaches all night too.
You better bone up on your boxing knowledge friend and be objective in your analysis of fighters. Tyson NEVER WRECKED A GOOD FIGHTER or showed he had heart, that is where he falls short. COULD he have been the GOAT if Cus hadn't died and he had proper handling- maybe
We will never know because as someone else said we can't find a time machine and use it
Just my opinion
OK, I am not a Tyson nut hugger mostly for the same reasons you mentioned: He never showed the ability to come back from adversity; he was a bully. He peaked early in his career. His skill set deteriorated significantly and many of his fights were won before he even stepped into the ring because of the intimidation factor. However he had alot of strong points and when he was still hungry he was impressive as hell. My opinion is objective and my boxing knowledge is a sharp as they come.
So here it goes- Marciano and Dempsey both wieghed 180's 190's their opponents were in the 180's and 190's too. Neither on ewas ever in with a guy as big, as fast and as strong as Tyson. Tyson would steamroll both of them. Dempsey benefited from old style boxing gloves, which were really nothing more than leather gloves, very little padding. Most of Dempsey's biggest opponent was Jess Willard who was a BUM and its pretty well known that he used loaded gloves for that fight. He also benefited from old style boxing rules and after he was champ he wouldn't cross the color line, So him fighting Tyson is a moot point. That aside I don't know how many fights you've watched from 1910's 1920's but the skill set was incredibly lacking compared to what we see now.
As far as comparing competition goes, Marciano benefited from beating champs who were all far past their prime. Not a single one of his best wins came against a prime opponents: Charles, Louis, Walcott. In fact Charles and Walcott both came very close to beating him. Not to mention he was Dropped by Archie Moore. Now outside of Moore, Louis, Walcott and Charles his only other big fight was Roland Lastarza. He was a slower, smaller, weaker version of Tyson and he actually faced weaker competition.
Tyson had trouble with guys bigger than him. Dempsey and Marciano don't qualify neither does smoking Joe. A Smaller, slower weaker version of Tyson. Aside from that Frazier was a one trick pony, he came forward throwing the left hook and if that didn't work he was fucked.
Those guys were all great in their own context, their own times, for their own reasons-just like Tyson
Now Foreman, Ali, Liston yes they would all give Tyson a loads of Trouble.
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i really care to hear ches opinion on this, before i say mine.
tyson didnt even dominate holyfield, so its bit a dumb term to use
IMHO , Tyson's prison sentence ended his boxing career .
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Vitali Klitchko (the older brother for the uninformed) would beat any version of Tyson like a mule. So no, he most certainly wouldn't dominate today.
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Vitali Klitchko (the older brother for the uninformed) would beat any version of Tyson like a mule. So no, he most certainly wouldn't dominate today.
totally agree. Klitchko, Lewis, and all the other taller champs would have beaten him like a mule. Tyson was extremely overrated, and got the shit beat out of him by Buster Douglas. No way Tyson dominates any era.
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I'm a Tyson fan but lets face it, he fought a shitload of cans...
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Nobody showed up at the location I posted to throw hands.
Where you at dawg I am sending Gerry Cooney out tonight.
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COULD he have been the GOAT if Cus hadn't died and he had proper handling- maybe
Probably the best point made in this entire thread, we all want to believe that Tyson was the best but he lost his way to a demonic personal life when Cus died. I honestly believe him to be the GOAT but thats just my opinion.
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jaejoanna
most of his fights in his prime didnt make it to the second round
thats bullshit
tell me when his 'prime was'?
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Head to head prime v prime he beats any mofo ever.
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Klitschkos would have to throw lot of jabs to keep Tyson of them.
Otherwise its quick hook combos to body/head = going down like big trees.
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Klitschkos would have to throw lot of jabs to keep Tyson of them.
Otherwise its quick hook combos to body/head = going down like big trees.
Tyson would beat Wladamir. Vitali would stand a good chance of winning.
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Klitschkos would have to throw lot of jabs to keep Tyson of them.
Otherwise its quick hook combos to body/head = going down like big trees.
The young, angry, homicidal, Tyson would fold both Klitschkos with body shots within 2 rounds.
I think you fellas are forgetting how nasty his initial onslaught was in Tyson's earlier fights.
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The young, angry, homicidal, Tyson would fold both Klitschkos with body shots within 2 rounds.
I think you fellas are forgetting how nasty his initial onslaught was in Tyson's earlier fights.
Was Tyson better earlier or was his competition easier earlier. Klitschkos are quality heavy's Vitali more so than Wladamir, who is over rated IMHO. Vitali is big enough, strong enough and tough enough to give anyone a hard time. I doubt he would double over in two rounds.
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Was Tyson better earlier or was his competition easier earlier. Klitschkos are quality heavy's Vitali more so than Wladamir, who is over rated IMHO. Vitali is big enough, strong enough and tough enough to give anyone a hard time. I doubt he would double over in two rounds.
Yeah.....Trevor Berbick was big enough, strong enough, tough enough, and a HW Champion that was going to show the "smaller" Mike Tyson a thing or two when they fought.
Check the video of that fight out when you get a chance.
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Yeah.....Trevor Berbick was big enough, strong enough, tough enough, and a HW Champion that was going to show the "smaller" Mike Tyson a thing or two when they fought.
Check the video of that fight out when you get a chance.
I've seen it. I watched it LIVE. Berbick was always a TOMATO CAN. Nobody thought Berbick was going to teach Tyson anything. He was a 6 to 1 underdog.
Aside from that you can't possibly be comparing Berbick to Vitali. Really? Vitali is 6'7'' at 250. Berbick was 6'2'' and weighed 2 pounds LESS than Tyson at 218.
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I've seen it. I watched it LIVE. Berbick was always a TOMATO CAN. Nobody thought Berbick was going to teach Tyson anything. He was a 6 to 1 underdog. Aside from that you can't possibly be comparing Berbick to Vitali. Really? Vitali is 6'7'' at 250. Berbick was 6'2'' and weighed 2 pounds LESS than Tyson at 218.
Neither Klitschko brother is remotely close to being top ten all-time.....so why all of a sudden does anyone think they could defeat a prime Tyson? In fact....both K Brothers are soft, Tyson would cruise through them IMHO.
Berbick was HWT Champion when he fought a 20 year old Tyson. It was a comparison where people contended that Tyson would lose to the "bigger" fighter.
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Neither Klitschko brother is remotely close to being top ten all-time.....so why all of a sudden does anyone think they could defeat a prime Tyson? In fact....both K Brothers are soft, Tyson would cruise through them IMHO.
Berbick was HWT Champion when he fought a 20 year old Tyson. It was a comparison where people contended that Tyson would lose to the "bigger" fighter.
Ok, your opinion sucks. You don't know much about boxing. Stick to Hockey Fights.
I didn't say the Klitschkos could defeat a prime Tyson. What I said was Vitali would give him and anyone else trouble because of his physical qualities and his toughness.
Berbick was the SOFTEST and least credible of the HWT champs at that TIME. He was the first one Tyson beat. He had to go through TUCKER, SMITH and SPINKS to get full recognition. BERBICK was the weakest of that group. Now that I bring it up both Tucker and Smith went the distance with Tyson and both actually rocked Mike when they finally threw a fucking punch. And SMITH was hardly more than a fringe contender who got lucky to win an alphabet tittle.
NO ONE thought that Berbick was going to win. Yes, there was some speculation that a taller fighter could give Tyson trouble. Berbick was still lighter than Tyson. And a huge betting underdog.
Where on earth do you get that VITALI is SOFT.
I can't stand how these Tyson nut-huggers just gobble up his cock and know nothing else about the sport and history of boxing.
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The Klitschkos would not be able to absorb Tyson's punishing bodyshots. Their hands will drop and they won't be able to catch young Tyson. His footwork was superior to anything the Klitschkos have shown. Boxing is all about footwork. The Tyson that fought Lewis fought like a statue. Anyone who boxed a little could clearly see the sharp decline in Tyson's footwork post-Amato.
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The Klitschkos would not be able to absorb Tyson's punishing bodyshots. Their hands will drop and they won't be able to catch young Tyson. His footwork was superior to anything the Klitschkos have shown. Boxing is all about footwork. The Tyson that fought Lewis fought like a statue. Anyone who boxed a little could clearly see the sharp decline in Tyson's footwork post-Amato.
Tyson in prime would beat the piss out those Russians.
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Tyson in prime would beat the piss out those Russians.
Well, that settles it. Prime Tyson would dominate the Heavyweight Division Today. Thanks for clearing that up.
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Prime Tyson would beat any fighter in their prime, Louis...Ali....Marciano. For some of us who remember his fights, there was nothing like that ever...
Ali mopped the floor with Sonny Liston. Tyson did so with Trevor Berbick. Nice fail.
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Prime Tyson would have had a chance with Wladmir only because Wladmir is a little chinny. I think the post Manny Steward version of Wlad does what Lennox did to Mike. Vitali Klitchko is a bad man. He is mean as a rattle snake, supremely confident and has a granite chin. He would stand up to Mikes early onslaught, fight back and punish Tyson for however long Mike could take it.
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Prime Tyson would have had a chance with Wladmir only because Wladmir is a little chinny. I think the post Manny Steward version of Wlad does what Lennox did to Mike. Vitali Klitchko is a bad man. He is mean as a rattle snake, supremely confident and has a granite chin. He would stand up to Mikes early onslaught, fight back and punish Tyson for however long Mike could take it.
Those pre-fight commercials got you good. The Tyson that fought Lennox was terrible.
The Amato-trained Tyson would have murdered Lennox. And both Klitchskos.
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Those pre-fight commercials got you good. The Tyson that fought Lennox was terrible.
The Amato-trained Tyson would have murdered Lennox. And both Klitchskos.
Yeah, the prime Tyson who quit trying to win against Tony Tucker and Bonecrusher smith once they punched him in the face. Lennox, Vitali, Evander and any other skilled competent heavyweight with any self believe and wasn't afraid beats Mike. Your hanging on to a fantasy that was long ago exposed.
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Ok, your opinion sucks. You don't know much about boxing. Stick to Hockey Fights.
I didn't say the Klitschkos could defeat a prime Tyson. What I said was Vitali would give him and anyone else trouble because of his physical qualities and his toughness.
Berbick was the SOFTEST and least credible of the HWT champs at that TIME. He was the first one Tyson beat. He had to go through TUCKER, SMITH and SPINKS to get full recognition. BERBICK was the weakest of that group. Now that I bring it up both Tucker and Smith went the distance with Tyson and both actually rocked Mike when they finally threw a fucking punch. And SMITH was hardly more than a fringe contender who got lucky to win an alphabet tittle.
NO ONE thought that Berbick was going to win. Yes, there was some speculation that a taller fighter could give Tyson trouble. Berbick was still lighter than Tyson. And a huge betting underdog.
Where on earth do you get that VITALI is SOFT.
I can't stand how these Tyson nut-huggers just gobble up his cock and know nothing else about the sport and history of boxing.
You're flat out fucking retarded.
The two Russians are overrated as hell, soft, and compete in a HWT division totally devoid of talent.
Now carry on gargling their balls.
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You're flat out fucking retarded.
The two Russians are overrated as hell, soft, and compete in a HWT division totally devoid of talent.
Now carry on gargling their balls.
Im flat out retarded? Nice one.
Ive never said that either klitschko would beat Tyson. In fact I do believe Tyson would clean out the division today. What I said was Vitali would give him trouble. You are just another Tyson cock gobbler who doesnt know shit about boxing. Stick to fights on ice h o m o.
I cant stand assholes who've seen a few Tyson fights and then they think they know boxing.
Oh and by the way learn to fucking read hockeyfightfag.
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Never saw Marciano, Ali, etc. during their era, but I watched Tyson in his prime. Just sayin', it's hard to imagine anyone going toe to toe with that fucker.
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Im flat out retarded? Nice one.
Ive never said that either klitschko would beat Tyson. In fact I do believe Tyson would clean out the division today. What I said was Vitali would give him trouble. You are just another Tyson cock gobbler who doesnt know shit about boxing. Stick to fights on ice h o m o.
I cant stand assholes who've seen a few Tyson fights and then they think they know boxing.
Oh and by the way learn to fucking read hockeyfightfag.
You come here to argue about your soft Russian boyfriends and now you tuck tail and run. Fuck you, you Youtube watching dickdraining phaggot.
I will make this simple for you because you're obviously mentally challenged.
A prime Tyson, with Cus behind him, wrecks the current HWT division. Your two nuthugging Russian cream puffs included.
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You come here to argue about your soft Russian boyfriends and now you tuck tail and run. Fuck you, you Youtube watching dickdraining phaggot.
I will make this simple for you because you're obviously mentally challenged.
A prime Tyson, with Cus behind him, wrecks the current HWT division. Your two nuthugging Russian cream puffs included.
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Jessus Christ what in the fuck is wrong with you?
Im so sorry I got into a conversation with a complete imbecile like you.
Please learn how to read and for god's sake please stay as far the fuck away from this thread as possible because you don't know jack shit about boxing.
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Jessus Christ what in the fuck is wrong with you?
Im so sorry I got into a conversation with a complete imbecile like you.
Please learn how to read and for god's sake please stay as far the fuck away from this thread as possible because you don't know jack shit about boxing.
Oh for fuck's sakes you whiny kunt.
You said Tyson would not fold Klitschko over within 2 rounds. I say you're full of shit (and a know it all cawksucker).
So you get the best of both worlds.....you prove you're retarded and you get it put out there on GB that you like the cawk. Now die in a fire piss boy.
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Oh for fuck's sakes you whiny kunt.
You said Tyson would not fold Klitschko over within 2 rounds. I say you're full of shit (and a know it all cawksucker).
So you get the best of both worlds.....you prove you're retarded and you get it put out there on GB that you like the cawk. Now die in a fire piss boy.
I could give a fuck less about you're lame insults that, trust me, has nobody laughing. You don't know boxing. You think Tyson is so fucking bad ass. Yeah he was pretty fucking good. Go watch Sandy Saddley, Eder Jofre, Khaosai Galaxi, Wilfredo Gomez, Carlos Zarate just for starters then after watching about 10 or 15 of their fights each ( not just highlight reels ) but whole fights then comeback and we'll talk about Stanley Ketchel, Jack Johnson, Jimmy Wilde and Sam Langford.
You've already demonstrated you're fairly simple and fragile. So stick to the ice rink Peggy. When you are ready to learn about boxing then we will talk.
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I could give a fuck less about you're lame insults that, trust me, has nobody laughing. You don't know boxing. You think Tyson is so fucking bad ass. Yeah he was pretty fucking good. Go watch Sandy Saddley, Eder Jofre, Khaosai Galaxi, Wilfredo Gomez, Carlos Zarate just for starters then after watching about 10 or 15 of their fights each ( not just highlight reels ) but whole fights then comeback and we'll talk about Stanley Ketchel, Jack Johnson, Jimmy Wilde and Sam Langford.
You've already demonstrated you're fairly simple and fragile. So stick to the ice rink Peggy. When you are ready to learn about boxing then we will talk.
He should really learn about Sonny Liston. Mike Tyson is a great heavyweight. Possibly top 15-20 all time. But, he was a poor mans Sonny Liston. Sonny Liston went through better fighters than Mike ever did and in devastating fashion. But then he ran into a young fellow by the name of Cassius Clay who wasn't so bad himself. If Ali didn't come around when he did, who knows if and when Sonny Liston could have been stopped.
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The two Russians are overrated as hell, soft, and compete in a HWT division totally devoid of talent.
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They a NOT Russians ;)
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A very interesting interview gives insight to Mike's heart, he never had parents that guided him. Cus took him in guided him to world champion when Cus died all down hill. Don King stepped in. Pigeons are his freedom from this world they don'y judge him. A great fighter that was thrown into a crazy world and did not know how to deal with it.
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The Klitty boys would shit their pants if this was coming at them, and so would YOU!
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were you bullied? are you a pussy? why the obsession with fighting but you never fought...you seem to cum when you see a big fighter
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Who you talking to pumpkin?
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Tyson is Dangerous
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Who you talking to pumpkin?
you carrot face ..why do you cream yourself over fighters
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to clear some of this up because i think alot of you are not really boxing fans or watch much of it
vitali k-before he took time off to go into politics was actually a very good fighter and had a hi ko % hes the reason lennox lewis retired.
tyson would have had a tough time with him, mikes prime only lasted about 3 years. during that time he was a beast. it is very hard to say he would crush vitali
i do think he would ko wladimir though. if wladimir fought in the 90's i cant see him being a champion.
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you carrot face ..why do you cream yourself over fighters
i dont, i m a fight fan bit like you re a fan of naked men oiled up showing their muscles "cleanest natural"
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to clear some of this up because i think alot of you are not really boxing fans or watch much of it
vitali k-before he took time off to go into politics was actually a very good fighter and had a hi ko % hes the reason lennox lewis retired.
tyson would have had a tough time with him, mikes prime only lasted about 3 years. during that time he was a beast. it is very hard to say he would crush vitali
i do think he would ko wladimir though. if wladimir fought in the 90's i cant see him being a champion.
Spot on. Unfortunately some people see a few highlight reels on ESPN and then post their opinion as if they're Angelo Dundee.
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Majority of those tremendous KO's of Tyson's came from tomato cans! They were hand picked, to assemble the record and KO ratio.
Never forget the legend Mitch "Blood" Green, going the distance with a PRIME Tyson.
TYSON FIGHT
After a comeback win over Percell Davis he lost a ten round decision to Mike Tyson in 1986 on HBO, in his most famous fight. In the build up to the fight Green had complained bitterly of the disparity in purses between him and Tyson when a day before the fight, Green learnt he was being paid $30,000 to Tyson's $200,000. He threatened to pull out of the contest and Green finally settled for being released from his managerial contract with King's stepson Carl in return for his short purse. Green put up a stubborn showing during the fight where Tyson was unable to hurt or put down Green, but did at one point knock out a gold tooth which landed in front of writer Phil Berger.
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Majority of those tremendous KO's of Tyson's came from tomato cans! They were hand picked, to assemble the record and KO ratio.
Never forget the legend Mitch "Blood" Green, going the distance with a PRIME Tyson.
TYSON FIGHT
After a comeback win over Percell Davis he lost a ten round decision to Mike Tyson in 1986 on HBO, in his most famous fight. In the build up to the fight Green had complained bitterly of the disparity in purses between him and Tyson when a day before the fight, Green learnt he was being paid $30,000 to Tyson's $200,000. He threatened to pull out of the contest and Green finally settled for being released from his managerial contract with King's stepson Carl in return for his short purse. Green put up a stubborn showing during the fight where Tyson was unable to hurt or put down Green, but did at one point knock out a gold tooth which landed in front of writer Phil Berger.
agreed except berbick
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Green went the distance against a green Tyson!Tyson was fuckign 19!!! His prime was 21. Silly sausages you are!
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Green went the distance against a green Tyson!Tyson was fuckign 19!!! His prime was 21. Silly sausages you are!
did you just cum?
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If Mitch was a better fighter and his head was on a bit straighter, he would've gave Tyson trouble. It also illustrates how important the intimidation factor was to Tyson, Green wasn't afraid of Tyson as much as others, and you can see it flusters Tyson a bit in the later rounds.
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hold on
Vitali was the reason lewis retired???
no he wasn't
a demotivated lewis who had no one left to face put in a half arsed performance against Vitali and still stopped him
lewis was 37 and had had 44 fights. that was why he retired.
the idea he retired because of him is laughable. lewis beat him when he had no interest and trained like a bum.
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Glad BB posted that fight. And think this is GREEN, laughable when people say Mike would take ALI, Mitch Green had no skills compared to the greats. A tall heavyweight with great jab and durability = end of Tyson.
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ahahhahah the same Ali who was floored by 180lb Henry fucking Cooper!! haha whatever, piss off back to Nascar tosspot
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Mitch got him on the street later.
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Mitch got him on the street later.
Yeh he really kicked mikes ass!!! Hey "Mr Nobody" how do YOU think you d do against Tyson in a street fight
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ahahhahah the same Ali who was floored by 180lb Henry fucking Cooper!! haha whatever, piss off back to Nascar tosspot
Ali also made George Foreman respect him, Ali could take and deliver when needed.
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ahahhahah the same Ali who was floored by 180lb Henry fucking Cooper!! haha whatever, piss off back to Nascar tosspot
oh brother here we go, another 'expert' opinion.
Look here, NO OTHER heavyweight legend, Not Ali, Not Louis, Not Marciano, Holmes, Johnson, Dempsey, got taken out by a chump like Buster Douglas, while still in their prime. Douglas was known in boxing circles as a quitter. I remember Ali getting off the floor to whooop that ass. Not groveling around on the floor fumbling for his mouthpiece like your hero.
You and hockeyfightfag are fucking up the thread with your lust for Tyson. The worst thing about Tyson is legions of assholes like you who suck his dick then post your worthless opinion like your Manny Steward.
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Yeh he really kicked mikes ass!!! Hey "Mr Nobody" how do YOU think you d do against Tyson in a street fight
With my shotgun I would do just fine, without it I get TKO'd. :D
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Dont underestimate 'Enry's 'Ammer, Cooper could bang. Ali was out for the count and by rights lost that fight by KO, but we know what happened thereafter.
Beak, what is your opinion on the great Harry Greb? A small man who would willingly fight anyone of any size. If Herol Graham had a chin he would have beaten everyone in his division and would have danced rings around some of the heavyweights today even as a MW. The division is so poor.
Tyson's abilities set him apart, but if there had never been a Dempsey, an Ali, a Foreman or a Liston then there would have been no Mike Tyson. IMO he mirrors Igor Vovchanchyn, an undersized guy that smashed fighters far bigger than himself through raw power and ability. Tysons prime was something i will likely not see again, i cant help being a fan because i liked the way he fought. Im not talking about a career Tyson, im talking about the incredible finished product he was before he lost his way to drugs and poor choices. That isnt a big window of appreciation but by christ he was the best HW boxer ive ever seen.
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Dont underestimate 'Enry's 'Ammer, Cooper could bang. Ali was out for the count and by rights lost that fight by KO, but we know what happened thereafter.
Beak, what is your opinion on the great Harry Greb? A small man who would willingly fight anyone of any size. If Herol Graham had a chin he would have beaten everyone in his division and would have danced rings around some of the heavyweights today even as a MW. The division is so poor.
Tyson's abilities set him apart, but if there had never been a Dempsey, an Ali, a Foreman or a Liston then there would have been no Mike Tyson. IMO he mirrors Igor Vovchanchyn, an undersized guy that smashed fighters far bigger than himself through raw power and ability. Tysons prime was something i will likely not see again, i cant help being a fan because i liked the way he fought. Im not talking about a career Tyson, im talking about the incredible finished product he was before he lost his way to drugs and poor choices. That isnt a big window of appreciation but by christ he was the best HW boxer ive ever seen.
Greb was pound for pound one of the greatest fighters ever. Up there with the best of them Robinson, Armstrong and Pep. He fought just about everyone from welter to heavy. Had something like 300 fights and was stopped once or twice. The only man to ever beat Gene Tunney. Greb was truly a great fighter. Probably top 3 IMO.
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Greb was pound for pound one of the greatest fighters ever. Up there with the best of them Robinson, Armstrong and Pep. He fought just about everyone from welter to heavy. Had something like 300 fights and was stopped once or twice. The only man to ever beat Gene Tunney. Greb was truly a great fighter. Probably top 3 IMO.
My dad used to tell me stories about him when i was a kid as a way of making me realise that size meant nothing if you had the heart. Definitely top 3-5 of all time, outstanding boxer and a hell of a shame to go out the way he did.
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Too much false information here.
1) Lennox retired becuz of Vitali? I don't know where to start. Prime Lennox was 10x better than prime Vitali. Old uninspired Lennox was still better than prime Vitali. You cannot debate this.
2) I watched Lennox vs. Tyson live. Around this time I was training in both TKD and boxing as hobbies. I also remember I betted a lot of money on Lennox despite being a Tyson fan. The media made Tyson out to be this beast but a lot of us guys who understood boxing knew Tyson was a shell of himself. I believe at his best, Tyson would KO Lennox. However, if Tyson couldn't KO Lennox, Lennox would win the decision.
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hes the reason lennox lewis retired.
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a demotivated lewis who had no one left to face put in a half arsed performance against Vitali and still stopped him
lewis was 37 and had had 44 fights. that was why he retired.
the idea he retired because of him is laughable. lewis beat him when he had no interest and trained like a bum.
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If Mitch was a better fighter and his head was on a bit straighter, he would've gave Tyson trouble. It also illustrates how important the intimidation factor was to Tyson, Green wasn't afraid of Tyson as much as others, and you can see it flusters Tyson a bit in the later rounds.
Mitch Green was courageous in this fight, but he took a lot of punishment there. I wouldn't use this fight to discredit Tyson. He was impatient early on and was never really known for his endurance in later rounds. But Tyson outclassed Green there and delivered a beating.
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Mitch Green was courageous in this fight, but he took a lot of punishment there. I wouldn't use this fight to discredit Tyson. He was impatient early on and was never really known for his endurance in later rounds. But Tyson outclassed Green there and delivered a beating.
But it does show that Tyson would have trouble with a real top class tall fighter if a decent journeyman like Mitch could stay in with him like that. Tyson is a great fighter, but it is hilarious how some think that he'd walk through the Kiltschkos, and especially some of top names of the 70's that were mention more recently.
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Too much false information here.
1) Lennox retired becuz of Vitali? I don't know where to start. Prime Lennox was 10x better than prime Vitali. Old uninspired Lennox was still better than prime Vitali. You cannot debate this.
2) I watched Lennox vs. Tyson live. Around this time I was training in both TKD and boxing as hobbies. I also remember I betted a lot of money on Lennox despite being a Tyson fan. The media made Tyson out to be this beast but a lot of us guys who understood boxing knew Tyson was a shell of himself. I believe at his best, Tyson would KO Lennox. However, if Tyson couldn't KO Lennox, Lennox would win the decision.
Bullshit . LL was at his best or close to it and VITALLY was coming off shoulder and back surgeries . The LL stories are BULLSHIT . He held the title hostage until the VITALY KIRK fight and then bowed out . FACT he retired because of VITALLY .
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Bullshit . LL was at his best or close to it and VITALLY was coming off shoulder and back surgeries . The LL stories are BULLSHIT . He held the title hostage until the VITALY KIRK fight and then bowed out . FACT he retired because of VITALLY .
1) Lennox was a champion for a long time. He was 38 or something like that. He had fought plenty of boxers better than Vitaly. To say he retired becuz he was scared of Vitaly is ABSURD.
2) Yeah most boxers are in their absolute prime at 37, 38. Sure.
3) Nobody forces you to take a big fight while you're dealing with shoulder and back injuries. You have the option to not accept the fight or delay until you're 100%. Come on son we all know how boxing works. Don't make excuses for the guy who lost.
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Dont worry the HW division will soon be saved
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Absofuckenlutely! The heavyweight division is a joke!
this^
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1) Lennox was a champion for a long time. He was 38 or something like that. He had fought plenty of boxers better than Vitaly. To say he retired becuz he was scared of Vitaly is ABSURD.
2) Yeah most boxers are in their absolute prime at 37, 38. Sure.
3) Nobody forces you to take a big fight while you're dealing with shoulder and back injuries. You have the option to not accept the fight or delay until you're 100%. Come on son we all know how boxing works. Don't make excuses for the guy who lost.
::) LOL wow
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your funny cold so because you did some tkd your an expert in boxing now.
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vitali was actually up on the score cards, in the fight with lewis, it was stopped on a cut
i didnt say vitali would destroy tyson, but i think he would have given tyson a good fight. tyson was always my favorite fighter, im being a realist here
his prime was from 85-88 he was never the same fighter after he defeated spinks he went into a decline after that fight.
mike tyson squandered a great talent. im not sure he could have beaten a prime george foreman either.
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Spot on. Unfortunately some people see a few highlight reels on ESPN and then post their opinion as if they're Angelo Dundee.
Fuck you are a whiny kunt.
Many of us here are old enough to have watched Tyson in his prime. Not read about him on Wikipedia like a peter puffing blowhard like you.
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hold on
Vitali was the reason lewis retired???
no he wasn't
a demotivated lewis who had no one left to face put in a half arsed performance against Vitali and still stopped him
lewis was 37 and had had 44 fights. that was why he retired.
the idea he retired because of him is laughable. lewis beat him when he had no interest and trained like a bum.
I agree with you whole heartedly. Vitali is still a bad mofo. No shame in losing to Lennox who is an All Time Great.
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Fuck you are a whiny kunt.
Many of us here are old enough to have watched Tyson in his prime. Not read about him on Wikipedia like a peter puffing blowhard like you.
its a shame your that old and yet so fucking stupid.
I watched him live. I trained at kronk gym. I trained with James Toney. I knew Manny Steward personally. I've been studying boxing for 30 years. Your opinion is worthless. You can hardly read let alone form a coherant thought. You have not added one solid argument to this thread. Your a typical loser, cant articulate your point with a reasonable statement so you just get pissed and make a bunch of lame "CAWK" jokes. Ignorant of boxing and life.
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its a shame your that old and yet so fucking stupid.
I watched him live. I trained at kronk gym. I trained with James Toney. I knew Manny Steward personally. I've been studying boxing for 30 years. Your opinion is worthless. You can hardly read let alone form a coherant thought. You have not added one solid argument to this thread. Your a typical loser, cant articulate your point with a reasonable statement so you just get pissed and make a bunch of lame "CAWK" jokes. Ignorant of boxing and life.
Three things:
You never trained at Kronk.
It's "coherent" fuckwit.
You are still a whiny kunt.
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its a shame your that old and yet so fucking stupid.
. I trained at kronk gym. I trained with James Toney. I knew Manny Steward personally. I've been studying boxing for 30 years.
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Three things:
You never trained at Kronk.
It's "coherent" fuckwit.
You are still a whiny kunt.
You're a low life man. I can tell you all about Kronk Gym. It would be your first real boxing lesson. But you are too much of a low life to listen. I can tell you, you wouldn't last 2 minutes in Kronk Gym with your attitude. Fuck you wouldnt last 2 seconds from the walk from the street to the front doors of the Gym.
You come on here and say something ridiculous, like "Vitali is soft he would fold over in two rounds." You get called out on it and rather than debate it with boxing knowledge, you respond like an angry drunk woman by repeating yourself constantly with "Fuckwhit" "Whiny Kunt" "Cawk" etc etc.. Because you act like a woman, I'm sure you whimper like a bitch evertime you get hit. So just remain a fan because I can tell you aren't meant to actually fight...Hockeyfightfan. Hockeyfightfag.
;D ::)
If you want to know PM me. I made the walk everyday from my house, about half a mile. It's in a neighborhood that you and fightfag would never even dream of walking down the street. If you stepped out of your car. A Hobo would whipp your asses before you even got to the gym. The area is so dilapatated now My house is now burnt out and Kronk Gym is vacant and was striped out by crack heads a few years ago. I trained there in the mid to late 90's.
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You're a low life man. I can tell you all about Kronk Gym. It would be your first real boxing lesson. But you are too much of a low life to listen. I can tell you, you wouldn't last 2 minutes in Kronk Gym with your attitude. Fuck you wouldnt last 2 seconds from the walk from the street to the front doors of the Gym.
You come on here and say something ridiculous, like "Vitali is soft he would fold over in two rounds." You get called out on it and rather than debate it with boxing knowledge, you respond like an angry drunk woman by repeating yourself constantly with "Fuckwhit" "Whiny Kunt" "Cawk" etc etc.. Because you act like a woman, I'm sure you whimper like a bitch evertime you get hit. So just remain a fan cause I can tell you aren't met to actually fight...Hockeyfightfan. Hockeyfightfag.
Weak.......
You're new to this......whiny kunt.
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Weak.......
You're new to this......whiny kunt.
Nice response, listen bitch, you couldn't cary my jockstrap. The only thing soft in this thread is you. Just stay a fan because everyone now knows you don't know shit about fighting.
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You're a low life man. I can tell you all about Kronk Gym. It would be your first real boxing lesson. But you are too much of a low life to listen. I can tell you, you wouldn't last 2 minutes in Kronk Gym with your attitude. Fuck you wouldnt last 2 seconds from the walk from the street to the front doors of the Gym.
You come on here and say something ridiculous, like "Vitali is soft he would fold over in two rounds." You get called out on it and rather than debate it with boxing knowledge, you respond like an angry drunk woman by repeating yourself constantly with "Fuckwhit" "Whiny Kunt" "Cawk" etc etc.. Because you act like a woman, I'm sure you whimper like a bitch evertime you get hit. So just remain a fan because I can tell you aren't meant to actually fight...Hockeyfightfan. Hockeyfightfag.
If you want to know PM me. I made the walk everyday from my house, about half a mile. It's in a neighborhood that you and fightfag would never even dream of walking down the street. If you stepped out of your car. A Hobo would whipp your asses before you even got to the gym. The area is so dilapatated now My house is now burnt out and Kronk Gym is vacant and was striped out by crack heads a few years ago. I trained there in the mid to late 90's.
Pm you what, just post a pic of you trainign with Toney and you and manny and ill believe you. You must have taken pics"?"
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You're a low life man. I can Google all about Kronk Gym. It would be your first real boxing lesson. But you are too much of a low life to listen. I can tell you, you wouldn't last 2 minutes in Kronk Gym with your attitude. Fuck you wouldnt last 2 seconds from the walk from the street to the front doors of the Gym.
You come on here and say something ridiculous, like "Vitali is soft he would fold over in two rounds." You get called out on it and rather than debate it with boxing knowledge, you respond like an angry drunk woman by repeating yourself constantly with "Fuckwhit" "Whiny Kunt" "Cawk" etc etc.. Because you act like a woman, I'm sure you whimper like a bitch evertime you get hit. So just remain a fan because I can tell you aren't meant to actually fight...Hockeyfightfan. Hockeyfightfag.
If you want to know PM me. I made the walk everyday from my house, about half a mile. It's in a neighborhood that you and fightfag would never even dream of walking down the street. If you stepped out of your car. A Hobo would whipp your asses before you even got to the gym. The area is so dilapatated now My house is now burnt out and Kronk Gym is vacant and was striped out by crack heads a few years ago. I trained there in the mid to late 90's.
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Hmmmm fifteen years ago when I was training there. I didn't think to myself "Someday I'll be on get big arguing with a couple of children. So I better take pics"...I wasn't a tourist or a FAN like you two assholes. I was actually there fighting and learning how to box. This was prior to modern smart phones. Picture phones weren't for a few more years. So it wasnt as common for people to snap pictures every two seconds like it is now.
I'll tell you what....You can call the modern Kronk Gym, it relocated to east Dearborn. The head trainer is Sugar Hill. I know him really well. We worked together for a long time. You ask him if you don't believe me. He's Manny Stewards nephew.
Arguing with you assholes is frustrating because I have to teach you first so you can even understand. Back then, if you walked into Kronk Gym to train and whipped out a camera and started taking pic's, you would have been laughed out of the gym.
I trained with Toney even longer ago...1992 he was maybe 16-0 and he was a fucking asshole. So no there aren't pic's. Im sure thats hard for you to imagine. But no in 1992 cell phones weren't common, camera phones didn't exist, tablets were not even hought of.
Why don't you take a picture of your fucking brain because I am beginning to wonder if it exists.
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Hmmmm fifteen years ago when I was training there. I didn't think to myself "Someday I'll be on get big arguing with a couple of children. So I better take pics"...I wasn't a tourist or a FAN like you two assholes. I was actually there fighting and learning how to box. This was prior to modern smart phones. Picture phones weren't for a few more years. So it wasnt as common for people to snap pictures every two seconds like it is now.
I'll tell you what....You can call the modern Kronk Gym, it relocated to east Dearborn. The head trainer is Sugar Hill. I know him really well. We worked together for a long time. You ask him if you don't believe me. He's Manny Stewards nephew.
Arguing with you assholes is frustrating because I have to teach you first so you can even understand. Back then, if you walked into Kronk Gym to train and whipped out a camera and started taking pic's, you would have been laughed out of the gym.
I trained with Toney even longer ago...1992 he was maybe 16-0 and he was a fucking asshole. So no there aren't pic's. Im sure thats hard for you to imagine. But no in 1992 cell phones weren't common, camera phones didn't exist, tablets were not even hought of.
Why don't you take a picture of your fucking brain because I am beginning to wonder if it exists.
You Sir......are 100% full of shit.
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Hmmmm fifteen years ago when I was training there. I didn't think to myself "Someday I'll be on get big arguing with a couple of children. So I better take pics"...I wasn't a tourist or a FAN like you two assholes. I was actually there fighting and learning how to box. This was prior to modern smart phones. Picture phones weren't for a few more years. So it wasnt as common for people to snap pictures every two seconds like it is now.
I'll tell you what....You can call the modern Kronk Gym, it relocated to east Dearborn. The head trainer is Sugar Hill. I know him really well. We worked together for a long time. You ask him if you don't believe me. He's Manny Stewards nephew.
Arguing with you assholes is frustrating because I have to teach you first so you can even understand. Back then, if you walked into Kronk Gym to train and whipped out a camera and started taking pic's, you would have been laughed out of the gym.
I trained with Toney even longer ago...1992 he was maybe 16-0 and he was a fucking asshole. So no there aren't pic's. Im sure thats hard for you to imagine. But no in 1992 cell phones weren't common, camera phones didn't exist, tablets were not even hought of.
Why don't you take a picture of your fucking brain because I am beginning to wonder if it exists.
translation - im chatting out of my ass
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You Sir......are 100% full of shit.
O.K. nice response.
You've been wrong since you entered this thread.
So now there were camera phones in 1992 or 1998 for that matter?
Like I said Ho, you can't cary my jockstrap.
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O.K. nice response.
You've been wrong since you entered this thread.
So now there were camera phones in 1992 or 1998 for that matter?
Like I said Ho, you can't cary my jockstrap.
I'll bet your biggest sporting accomplishment is coaching your stepdaughter's youth soccer team.
You've never set foot in a boxing ring. Bullshitter.
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I can imagine, for people like you and Darren, people with no life experience it is difficult for you to wrap your head around. Especially given what kind of pussies you are. But yes I have boxed, for years.
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Its something I wouldnt expect a FAN to understand. Life is more enjoyable when your a particpant and not just a fan. Try getting out from behind your keyboard, lowlife.
You two are the reason why getbig sucks now. Nothing intelligent, funny or relevant comes out of your posts. Not only are you two assholes nothing in your own lives but your so pathetic you can't even believe what other people do with their own.
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I can imagine, for people like you and Darren, people with no life experience it is difficult for you to wrap your head around. Especially given what kind of pussies you are. But yes I have boxed, for years.
Whats your real name?ill look you up on boxrec
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I never said I was pro fuckface! Cant either of you fucking read! Besides I would never give my name to you assholes. Theres probably only 1 or 2 getbiggers I would give my real name to. It sure a s fuck isnt either one of you two jackoff's.
I have a real job, i didnt go pro. I sure as fuck am not going to have photoshopped pictures of me floating around the internet because you two fuckin idiots couldn't win an argument on a bodybuilding forum.
So because you two assholes go to the gym ypu must be pro bodybuilders? Right? Walk into any boxing gym in the world the majority of them have no pro boxers, the best of them have maybe 3 or 4. You two are so fuckin stupid why did you post on a topic you know nothing about?
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I never said I was pro fuckface! Cant either of you fucking read! Besides I would never give my name to you assholes. Theres probably only 1 or 2 getbiggers I would give my real name to. It sure a s fuck isnt either one of you two jackoff's.
I have a real job, i didnt go pro. I sure as fuck am not going to have photoshopped pictures of me floating around the internet because you two fuckin idiots couldn't win an argument on a bodybuilding forum.
So because you two assholes go to the gym ypu must be pro bodybuilders? Right? Walk into any boxing gym in the world the majority of them have no pro boxers, the best of them have maybe 3 or 4. You two are so fuckin stupid why did you post on a topic you know nothing about?
I'm still calling you a 100% bullshitter. You are digging a deeper hole. What years did you train at Kronk?
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I never said I was pro fuckface! Cant either of you fucking read! Besides I would never give my name to you assholes. Theres probably only 1 or 2 getbiggers I would give my real name to. It sure a s fuck isnt either one of you two jackoff's.
I have a real job, i didnt go pro. I sure as fuck am not going to have photoshopped pictures of me floating around the internet because you two fuckin idiots couldn't win an argument on a bodybuilding forum.
So because you two assholes go to the gym ypu must be pro bodybuilders? Right? Walk into any boxing gym in the world the majority of them have no pro boxers, the best of them have maybe 3 or 4. You two are so fuckin stupid why did you post on a topic you know nothing about?
Methinks he doth protest too much ;)
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Its not a hole when its the truth, guy. Your digging a hole because your wrong and your begining to realise it. I trained there from 1998-2000.
Z, who gives a shit what ypu think. I can tell you things about Kronk that you cant google. It was just one gymm I trained at throughout the years. Because at that time I lived a few blocks away and I happened to work with and know Arnold Sugar Hill real well. I trained at 4 different gyms from 92 to 2001.
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Its not a hole when its the truth, guy. Your digging a hole because your wrong and your begining to realise it. I trained there from 1998-2000.
Z, who gives a shit what ypu think. I can tell you things about Kronk that you cant google. It was just one gymm I trained at throughout the years. Because at that time I lived a few blocks away and I happened to work with and know Arnold Sugar Hill real well. I trained at 4 different gyms from 92 to 2001.
Now I know you are full of shit.
You never fought for, or trained at, Kronk Gym. If you did, and you know so much about boxing, who and when did you fight in the Michigan Golden Gloves? It is well known that Kronk pushes all of their amateur fighters into the GG's. Bullshitter....
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Now I know you are full of shit.
You never fought for, or trained at, Kronk Gym. If you did, and you know so much about boxing, who and when did you fight in the Michigan Golden Gloves? It is well known that Kronk pushes all of their amateur fighters into the GG's. Bullshitter....
I never said I fought for kronk gym asshole, I never wore their banner across my trunks. I trained there. I sparred there. I practiced there. I wasn't there with the hopes of going pro you dipshit. I was a grown man had a full time fucking job. I started boxing in 1990, I fought a few exhibitions. I fought an exhibition at the diamond gloves in Ohio. My last exhibition was in 1994. I didn't go to Kronk until several years later...Why the fuck am I explaining any of this to you. You're just a loser who can't even grasp stepping foot in a boxing gym because you are nothing more than a fanboy. Fuck your life must be miserable.
You pretending to know about Kronk gym is a fuckin joke, like I said you would be scared shitless just to drive through the neighborhood. By 1998 when I trained there I was in my late 20's asshole and working full time. I did it to be able to handle myself, stay in shape and because I loved boxing. Golden gloves and diamond glove tournaments are for teenagers. Not grown men asshole.
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Tex Cobb.
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Now I know you are full of shit.
You never fought for, or trained at, Kronk Gym. If you did, and you know so much about boxing, who and when did you fight in the Michigan Golden Gloves? It is well known that Kronk pushes all of their amateur fighters into the GG's. Bullshitter....
Why in the hell would I have to lie to you? Why in the hell would anyone have to make this up?
The Kronk recreation center was just that a rec center run by the city of Detroit. The gym was hardly even a gym. It was a boxing ring, 2 or 3 heavy bags. A staionary bike and a few slanted wooden planks to do sit-ups on and a bicycle-like machine but the peddles were for yout hands. It was in the cellar of the rec center..Verry small space. More neighborhood kids went there to play basketball than box.The hot water pipes ran across the top of the gym and were exposed. It was always hot as fuck down there. In the late 90's Kronk was a fading name in boxing. Manny Steward became a trainer for hire and Arnold Hill was starting to run it. Steward came by only every once in a while in the early morning that was a time slot reserved for the best fighters. The gym was covered with news articles from when it first gained fame in the late 70's. Nothing recent or modern was in there. At the time I went there, there were no name fighters at the gym. The best guy was a cruiserweight with an aweful record( Kadee King not sure on spelling ). There were a few amatuers. 1 or 2 pro;s, neither of whom were good. Nontheless there were always a bunch of young guys there willing to learn. The trainers didn't even pay attention to you if they didn't think you could be pro material. Even Hill, who was my friend, hardly spoke to me at the gym. When I would bother him for coaching he would have me stand in the corner and practice my jab. He would say, work on that for a little while and Ill get back to you. I'd be there for hours working on my jab. When I spoke to him again he'd tell me "you need to work on your jab some more."
The gym was a few blocks from my house. The fact that this is sooooo unbelievable to you lets me know what a lame excuse for a life you have.
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beakdoctor
you are being too modest
you trained with james toney
and knew manny steward personally
you must have some great tales about those days at the kronk- please share them with fellow fight enthusiasts
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Tex Cobb.
Tex Cobb was tough as heck, fun fighter to watch -
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beakdoctor
you are being too modest
you trained with james toney
and knew manny steward personally
you must have some great tales about those days at the kronk- please share them with fellow fight enthusiasts
Are you serious? or being a smart ass?
James Toney was an asshole with a true mean streak. He would drop in the gym I trained at back in 90-91. He was from Annn Arbor. But my Gym was in Dearborn Heights. He was up and comming and had a huge chip on his shoulder. This was right around the time he fought Merqui Sosa. It was on TV so when ever he came around people would stop and watch him. He came with a fairly small group of people. Anyway he would never pay his gym fee's.
One day he walks into the gym and the owner/trainer, a guy named Kelly Kroy, says under his breath "Its Toney again, he never pays his dues." Toney heard and his head perked up. Kelly tried to make a joke of it and said "James are you going to pay your dues this time?" Toney didn't say shit. He stepped into the ring to spar and he ended up sparring with Kroy, who was still an active kick boxer all though he was older and washed up.
Well Toney beat the fucking brakes off of Kelly. Kelly got beat the fuck down. He had a look on his face of pain, it wasnt like he was dazed but in actuall physical pain. Toney got out of the ring took his gloves off and left without paying his fee's again. Kelly was still on his hands and knee's.
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beakdoctor
you are being too modest
you trained with james toney
and knew manny steward personally
you must have some great tales about those days at the kronk- please share them with fellow fight enthusiasts
Manny was a really nice guy. I never knew him when I trained at Kronk. I only knew him later just few years before his death. One of his fighters, William Caveman Lee, used to buy his beer at a Liquor store on Livernois St across from the police station (10th pct.) This was just a few miles north of the former Kronk gym.
I recognized Caveman Lee, he was really just an ex-con and alcoholic at this point, but he was so happy to be recognized. We started talking about boxing. Caveman got so excited because I am a boxing nut and historian we spoke about all the kronk fighters, Duane Thomas, Milton McCrory, Rick Womack. Lee had a pretty famous fight with John Locicero and a blowout at the hands of Hagler. So we talked about that. He said Manny and he were still close and that Manny still looks out for him. I didn't believe him. I didn't think Manny still lived in Detroit. So he calls Manny on the phone and hands the phone over, we start talking. I tell him who I am and where I work, I tell him I know Sugar Hill. Manny ends the conversation by offering to take me and my wife to dinner. Class act, all the way.
When I was a teenager, he lived across the street from my girlfriends house. I always wanted to talk to him then but was intimidated. We wouldn't meet until 2008.
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no need to be so obnoxious is there?
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A pub I used to drink in in London- the victoria was owned by charlie magri and you used to get a lot of the boxers in there.
I am also on good terms with John Conteh whose brother Gerry is a mate- he runs a bar called Hannahs in Liverpool. Both sound enough in fairness.
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A pub I used to drink in in London- the victoria was owned by charlie magri and you used to get a lot of the boxers in there.
I am also on good terms with John Conteh whose brother Gerry is a mate- he runs a bar called Hannahs in Liverpool. Both sound enough in fairness.
Yeah John Conteh, excellent Light Heavyweight, if I remember correctly.
Might not want to share those stories. There are some simple minded people on here who live such worthless existences that can't even imagine it might be a true story.
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Tyson would of dominated most, but the Klitschko's would've gave him trouble. I still think a prime D'amato era Tyson would win, but it would be tough. Tyson had a bit of trouble with tall fighters, and didn't fight many tall good fighters in their prime.
No they wouldn't have.
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Yeah John Conteh, excellent Light Heavyweight, if I remember correctly.
Might not want to share those stories. There are some simple minded people on here who live such worthless existences that can't even imagine it might be a true story.
You are full of shit.
At very best, you sniffed jockstraps at/near Kronk once or twice.
Another Internet bullshitter with legends of days past.
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I'm actually Cus Amato's son.
I trained Manny Pacquiao prior to him working with Freddie Roach. Prior to working with me, Manny's left hand wasn't good enough to wipe his own azz. Yet I get no credit for this.
I'm the reason why Anderson Silva is a legend. I showed him how to use his feet. Before he met me, dude couldn't even walk in a straight line.
I was well on my way to being a world champion in the middleweight class when I wrecked my shoulders working on my upper pecs.
You guys are all full of shit. I'm the only one who tells the truth here. Your opinion is like your azz hole. It stinks.
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Are you serious? or being a smart ass?
James Toney was an asshole with a true mean streak. He would drop in the gym I trained at back in 90-91. He was from Annn Arbor. But my Gym was in Dearborn Heights. He was up and comming and had a huge chip on his shoulder. This was right around the time he fought Merqui Sosa. It was on TV so when ever he came around people would stop and watch him. He came with a fairly small group of people. Anyway he would never pay his gym fee's.
One day he walks into the gym and the owner/trainer, a guy named Kelly Kroy, says under his breath "Its Toney again, he never pays his dues." Toney heard and his head perked up. Kelly tried to make a joke of it and said "James are you going to pay your dues this time?" Toney didn't say shit. He stepped into the ring to spar and he ended up sparring with Kroy, who was still an active kick boxer all though he was older and washed up.
Well Toney beat the fucking brakes off of Kelly. Kelly got beat the fuck down. He had a look on his face of pain, it wasnt like he was dazed but in actuall physical pain. Toney got out of the ring took his gloves off and left without paying his fee's again. Kelly was still on his hands and knee's.
My 15 years of posting on getbig has taught me 1 lesson:
Anyone who writes an essay trying to prove their story is a lying sack of shyt.
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You are full of shit.
At very best, you sniffed jockstraps at/near Kronk once or twice.
Another Internet bullshitter with legends of days past.
you got to be shitting me. You can't believe this. Like its so far outside of your life's experiences that it just cannot be real. You're a fucking joke. I might as well not even tell you about the time I fucked the queen Of England.
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My 15 years of posting on getbig has taught me 1 lesson:
Anyone who writes an essay trying to prove their story is a lying sack of shyt.
wow 15 years online. so you're a loser too? tthat's quite an accomplishment. No wonder you don't know shyt.
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Beakdoctor is full of shit , he talks/sounds like a boxing fan not a fighter , I hope this helps .
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wow 15 years online. so you're a loser too? tthat's quite an accomplishment. No wonder you don't know shyt.
If you think only losers post on getbig, then why are you here my friend?
Go delete your account homo.
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Beetch if you think only losers post on getbig, then WTF are you doing here? Fukken hypocrite.
Go delete your account homo.
noPe. only you Darren and hockeyfag are loser. The rest of GB is ppretty good. Rest assured you h o m o s are fucking it up though.:
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Beakdoctor is full of shit , he talks/sounds like a boxing fan not a fighter , I hope this helps .
wow really. I thought you were the resident expertI'm dissapointed.
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noPe. only you Darren and hockeyfag are loser. The rest of GB is ppretty good. Rest assured you h o m o s are fucking it up though.:
Haha. Show us a picture of you and Emmanuel Stewart together. Or those famous boxers you hung out and trained with. U must have taken a pic with one of those people through those years. Don't tell me in a decade you trained at famous gyms you never snapped a picture. haha.
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Haha. Show us a picture of you and Emmanuel Stewart together. Or those famous boxers you hung out and trained with. U must have taken a pic with one of those people through those years. Don't tell me in a decade you trained at famous gyms you never snapped a picture. haha.
God damn. I can't believe how fucking pathetic you guys are. You're lives must be void of any value or character whatsoever. Let me get this straight: you can't imagine that I went into a rec center 15 years ago and trained to box? Thats it? Too much for you to comprehend. What is unbelievable about that? OHHH wait I got it, you spent that entire time on your privileged white ass behind a computer screen jack'n off to porn, salviating over bodybuilders and trolling the internet.
For you assholes (Che included) the Kronk gym may be something you've heard about on tv. But In Detroit it was a neighborhood rec center. Alot of people went there. Most of them were poor black kids.....You guys are fuckin losers.
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Haha. Show us a picture of you and Emmanuel Stewart together. Or those famous boxers you hung out and trained with. U must have taken a pic with one of those people through those years. Don't tell me in a decade you trained at famous gyms you never snapped a picture. haha.
thats what i was gonna say, you trained with at the time p4p world number 1 james toney yet didnt get a pic done!! :o
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God damn. I can't believe how fucking pathetic you guys are. You're lives must be void of any value or character whatsoever. Let me get this straight: you can't imagine that I went into a rec center 15 years ago and trained to box? Thats it? Too much for you to comprehend. What is unbelievable about that? OHHH wait I got it, you spent that entire time on your privileged white ass behind a computer screen jack'n off to porn, salviating over bodybuilders and trolling the internet.
For you assholes (Che included) the Kronk gym may be something you've heard about on tv. But In Detroit it was a neighborhood rec center. Alot of people went there. Most of them were poor black kids.....You guys are fuckin losers.
You are full of shit.
You're claiming, in its heyday, Kronk Gym was nothing more than a Rec Center. You are a complete and total bullshitter.
Fuck you and the fake story you rode in on.
Let me guess....you also snapped a German Shepherd's spine and fucked a chicken too right?
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You are full of shit.
You're claiming, in its heyday, Kronk Gym was nothing more than a Rec Center. You are a complete and total bullshitter.
Fuck you and the fake story you rode in on.
Let me guess....you also snapped a German Shepherd's spine and fucked a chicken too right?
Yes. From the time it started up to the day it closed its doors. It was a run down rec center. And the gym itself was the most run down part of it.
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Yes. From the time it started up to the day it closed its doors. It was a run down rec center. And the gym itself was the most run down part of it.
Do you play chess in an all-white outfit?
Own any samurai swords?
Christ you're full of shit - and you're going to ride that train right into the ground.
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Do you play chess in an all-white outfit?
Own any samurai swords?
Christ you're full of shit - and you're going to ride that train right into the ground.
Jessus Christ you are soooo fucking ignorant. I dont have to lie. I lived it asshole. I lived down the block from it. It was so runb down it was closed down. The city couldnt afford to keep it open.
The fact that its something you can never comprehend lets me and everyone else know how sheltered you are. Pussy. Your lily white ass would get raped in that neighborhood so I wouldn't expect you to know.
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I don't keep track of the heavyweight division so no idea
Would Tyson be too small now to dominate or are they all a bunch of tomato cans?
From March '85 until July '89, Tyson was UNTOUCHABLE and UNBEATABLE. I have everyone one of his amateur and pro fights spanning from even before '85 and he was a freak. A true oddity.
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vitali was actually up on the score cards, in the fight with lewis, it was stopped on a cut
i didnt say vitali would destroy tyson, but i think he would have given tyson a good fight. tyson was always my favorite fighter, im being a realist here
his prime was from 85-88 he was never the same fighter after he defeated spinks he went into a decline after that fight.
mike tyson squandered a great talent. im not sure he could have beaten a prime george foreman either.
I would extend his prime up to 1989.
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Yeh his fav KO of mine was in 89 V Carl Williams