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http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/seanthomas/100231060/are-atheists-mentally-ill/
Are atheists mentally ill?
Thanks to a couple of surveys, it’s being put about in certain circles that atheists have higher IQs than believers. That may or may not be the case, but one problem with this argument is that, if you accept "average group differences in IQ”, you get into all sorts of sinister debates which bien pensant atheist Lefties might find less to their liking.
So let’s not go down that unhappy road. Let’s dispense with the crude metric of IQ and look at the actual lives led by atheists, and believers, and see how they measure up. In other words: let’s see who is living more intelligently.
And guess what: it’s the believers. A vast body of research, amassed over recent decades, shows that religious belief is physically and psychologically beneficial – to a remarkable degree.
In 2004, scholars at UCLA revealed that college students involved in religious activities are likely to have better mental health. In 2006, population researchers at the University of Texas discovered that the more often you go to church, the longer you live. In the same year researchers at Duke University in America discovered that religious people have stronger immune systems than the irreligious. They also established that churchgoers have lower blood pressure.
Meanwhile in 2009 a team of Harvard psychologists discovered that believers who checked into hospital with broken hips reported less depression, had shorter hospital stays, and could hobble further when they left hospital – as compared to their similarly crippled but heathen fellow-sufferers.
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As a young lad I scored a 138 on an IQ test. All it did was get me put into a "gifted" program with a bunch of nerds and added a boatload of extra school work. :-\
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Having fun is dangerous...
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Ever heard of the phrase, Ignorance is bliss?
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I'd call it spiritually retarded.
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IQ test suck dick. My patented IR tests mop the fucking floor with IQ tests.
How do whores do with the IR tests?
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as opposed to believing in mythical stories and a book wrote thousands of years ago (nevermind the thousands of years of history before the book was written... all those ppl must be in hell ::) )... and a 'religion' named after a man who called himself the 'son of god'. you've gotta be mentally ill to believe that foolishness, let alone defend it.
no different than David Koresh in Waco.
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::)
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Using data from a U.S. study of 6,825 adolescents, the authors found that atheists scored 6 IQ points higher than non atheists.
Several Gallup poll studies of the general population have shown that those with higher IQs tend not to believe in God. A study published in Social Psychology Quarterly in March 2010 also stated that "atheism ...correlates with higher intelligence".
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the main reason i love this kind of argument is that it proves that believers just care about what feels good, not what's true.
even if it were true that 100% of theists were happier than 100% of atheists, that wouldn't make god exist. it would just mean the lie is more comforting than reality.
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Can a narcissist believe in a higher power or do they believe the world begins and ends with themselves? A god-complex if you will...
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http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/seanthomas/100231060/are-atheists-mentally-ill/
Are atheists mentally ill?
Thanks to a couple of surveys, it’s being put about in certain circles that atheists have higher IQs than believers. That may or may not be the case, but one problem with this argument is that, if you accept "average group differences in IQ”, you get into all sorts of sinister debates which bien pensant atheist Lefties might find less to their liking.
So let’s not go down that unhappy road. Let’s dispense with the crude metric of IQ and look at the actual lives led by atheists, and believers, and see how they measure up. In other words: let’s see who is living more intelligently.
And guess what: it’s the believers. A vast body of research, amassed over recent decades, shows that religious belief is physically and psychologically beneficial – to a remarkable degree.
In 2004, scholars at UCLA revealed that college students involved in religious activities are likely to have better mental health. In 2006, population researchers at the University of Texas discovered that the more often you go to church, the longer you live. In the same year researchers at Duke University in America discovered that religious people have stronger immune systems than the irreligious. They also established that churchgoers have lower blood pressure.
Meanwhile in 2009 a team of Harvard psychologists discovered that believers who checked into hospital with broken hips reported less depression, had shorter hospital stays, and could hobble further when they left hospital – as compared to their similarly crippled but heathen fellow-sufferers.
Allow me.
It matters not what you believe or more to the point, profess to believe but how you live your life both in public and private. I have known Atheists that live many of the tenets taught by the Christ and an equal (if not greater) number of professing Christians that fail to live His word.
To be sure, the hope of Resurrection is a far more wonderful climax to the end of all things than is the emptiness of the nothing that could possibly await us all. The former holds the promise, the hope if you will of being reunited with loved ones as well as the answers to any questions we may now have, while the latter offers nothing but the cold reality that when you are dead, everything and everyone you know for all intents and purposes ceases to exist.
I prefer to hope. If someone else thinks otherwise that is fine with me but that does not make either of us morons.
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it's rather suspect for you to believe something to be the case simply because you hope it to be so. one could "hope" many things to be true about the universe, but that doesn't mean there is any reason to think that they're real.
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it's rather suspect for you to believe something to be the case simply because you hope it to be so. one could "hope" many things to be true about the universe, but that doesn't mean there is any reason to think that they're real.
The hope of my faith sustains me. It is not meant as in insult to any, including you.
As I said, I know Atheists that are good people. I know false Christians too. I suspect no one.
What you "suspect" is beyond me. What one could hope for is manners. But then, this is GetBig.
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Even science has struggled to find a way to destroy energy (that which matter is composed of). To the point where we consider that a LAW.
Currently, in this universe - we do not believe a single "unit" of energy can be destroyed. Resurrection is a long shot. The continual existence of everything you are composed of is not. Many of your elements were composed in a star. Most of you will not be able to get your head around that.
I respect people who quietly hope for the christian way to prevail, after death, but it's not necessary - unless you're unprepared to begrudgingly admit that you're unlikely to reunite with recomposed loved ones, after death.
I've had a few conversations with people about this to know that they do not consider continual existence of the energy they are composed of to be enough. For me, I'm just happy that the energy I am composed of will persist - hoping for more is really unlikely.
Atheism is for the intelligent because the intelligent have a natural curiosity. It doesn't mean the intelligent cannot be christians, but they must first suspend their disbelief at the lack of evidence for this type of thing. A difficult task.
Quality of life CAN be difficult for atheists, but at the same respect, christians walk around missing out on a lot of interesting things, because they think they are going to exist after death. Neither camp is easy.
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http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/seanthomas/100231060/are-atheists-mentally-ill/
Are atheists mentally ill?
Meanwhile in 2009 a team of Harvard psychologists discovered that believers who checked into hospital with broken hips reported less depression, had shorter hospital stays, and could hobble further when they left hospital – as compared to their similarly crippled but heathen fellow-sufferers.
I hope I never break a hip, but should that happen, I will keep this post in mind.
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i met a girl last night and we played a little bit religious debating, but agreed to not get angry or fall out, she defended religion, i asked the hard questions, must say it was a very interesting and productive talk.but with the questions, i provided slight modifications and interpretations on how to make biblical stuff seem possible, so i had neutral as possible stance.
we both believe there is something out there, whos to say that the creation force isnt god.
i aske last question and what if its all nothing and we just die.she said well then atleast we die with hope into something.
Thats a moronic sentiment to hold in your mind.
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i met a girl last night and we played a little bit religious debating, but agreed to not get angry or fall out, she defended religion, i asked the hard questions, must say it was a very interesting and productive talk.but with the questions, i provided slight modifications and interpretations on how to make biblical stuff seem possible, so i had neutral as possible stance.
we both believe there is something out there, whos to say that the creation force isnt god.
i aske last question and what if its all nothing and we just die.she said well then atleast we die with hope into something.
::) You die wasting your life resigning your brain over to ignorance. At least you will remain ignorant I guess. (not sure that would be a great goal to have)
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So how exactly are atheists mentally ill if they don't believe? I don't care what others believe, but this is the same kind of post as if I went attacking any religious group.
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sum neegas
out there
sum where
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I'd call it spiritually retarded.
Atheists... claim to believe in nothing or noone. Kind of ironic, no?
"Spiritually retarded" definitely a fitting term.
At least in the end of their pitiful lives, they always change their minds and renounce their non-existent choice to not make a choice even though they actually have made a choice....lol
The sun sets and rises on the good and the evil. Shows that they are loved in spite of themselves.
Oh well, we all know these kinds of threads never end well. This is where I stopped reading... so carry on our wayward ones, carry on.
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as opposed to believing in mythical stories and a book wrote thousands of years ago (nevermind the thousands of years of history before the book was written... all those ppl must be in hell ::) )... and a 'religion' named after a man who called himself the 'son of god'. you've gotta be mentally ill to believe that foolishness, let alone defend it.
no different than David Koresh in Waco.
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as opposed to believing in mythical stories and a book wrote thousands of years ago (nevermind the thousands of years of history before the book was written... all those ppl must be in hell ::) )... and a 'religion' named after a man who called himself the 'son of god'. you've gotta be mentally ill to believe that foolishness, let alone defend it.
no different than David Koresh in Waco.
your logic is undeniable
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Say what you like about the tenets of National Socialism, at least it's an ethos.
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Say what you like about the tenets of National Socialism, at least it's an ethos.
:)
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:)
;D ;D ;D
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Say what you like about the tenets of National Socialism, at least it's an ethos.
Yeah, if you hate freedom.
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Yeah, if you hate freedom.
It's a quote from The Big Lebowski, simmer down
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Quality of life CAN be difficult for atheists, but at the same respect, christians walk around missing out on a lot of interesting things, because they think they are going to exist after death. Neither camp is easy.
I'm not sure I follow. You seem to suggest there's something inherent in the lack of belief in deities that would make it difficult for a person without such a belief to have a high quality of life. What would that be?
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I don't know where I fit in as an atheist or agnostic, don't really care. But my contention is that if there's a God such as the one described in the Bible, I think he'd do a better job with his instruction booklet. Doesn't even have to leave an entire bible, just something like the 10 commandments except timeless and not bullshit.
In the 21st century, I'd like to know the do's and don'ts. I want a definitive list, one that maybe I can download to my Android and one for monkeys that use Apple devices too. I can appreciate there being some ambiguity and letting us develop and rely on a moral compass, but for fuck sakes the Churches fight over things like homosexuality and they can't even agree on the rules. I'm sorry, but I can't commit to worshipping a God that can't even give a bit of direction.
Everyone should get one of these instruction booklets too. Why are kids starving in Africa without a fighting chance too? I just think there's a bit too much bullshit to really entertain worshipping any sort of deity. I don't anyone should be chastised for that either. It's a huge leap to ask someone to commit themselves without any proof. If God could give me 5 minutes of his time to prove his existence and bounce a few questions back and forth I'm sure we could come to an agreement. But right now, the argument is just not compelling enough.
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Plum Orchard in Georgia, Home of the Carnegie Family Mansion.
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Carnegie Mansion in NYC taking up an entire city block.
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Plum Orchard in Georgia, Home of the Carnegie Family Mansion.
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I love Andrew Carnegie
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My city still has a Carnegie Library.
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I don't know where I fit in as an atheist or agnostic, don't really care. But my contention is that if there's a God such as the one described in the Bible, I think he'd do a better job with his instruction booklet. Doesn't even have to leave an entire bible, just something like the 10 commandments except timeless and not bullshit.
In the 21st century, I'd like to know the do's and don'ts. I want a definitive list, one that maybe I can download to my Android and one for monkeys that use Apple devices too. I can appreciate there being some ambiguity and letting us develop and rely on a moral compass, but for fuck sakes the Churches fight over things like homosexuality and they can't even agree on the rules. I'm sorry, but I can't commit to worshipping a God that can't even give a bit of direction.
Everyone should get one of these instruction booklets too. Why are kids starving in Africa without a fighting chance too? I just think there's a bit too much bullshit to really entertain worshipping any sort of deity. I don't anyone should be chastised for that either. It's a huge leap to ask someone to commit themselves without any proof. If God could give me 5 minutes of his time to prove his existence and bounce a few questions back and forth I'm sure we could come to an agreement. But right now, the argument is just not compelling enough.
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Christians do play an important role in society though, they do an excellent job of keeping all the annoying new age faggotry at bay.
They're the lesser of two evils.
I'll take that old ignorant prick Pat Robertson over Rachel Maddow and her ilk any day.
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Christians do play an important role in society though, they do an excellent job of keeping all the annoying new age faggotry at bay.
They're the lesser of two evils.
I'll take that old ignorant prick Pat Robertson over Rachel Maddow and her ilk any day.
Why not let them do as they want and ridicule them for what they are and do rather than impose some archaic bullshit instead?
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OMFG am I gonna go to hell for laughing at this? ;D
Boom, double entendre!! But seriously, this is the 21st century and Jesus is going to have to try a little harder than that. Setup a new domain like bible.GOD so I can log on and read up on the rules on my coffee break. If a divine being wants to reach me it'd be easier if they do it electronically. I'm not trying to be cynical either. I try to be a good person and if there really is a man in the clouds I would drop my shit and give them my undivided attention. That would change everything for me! But if I'm expected to read a tainted bible from thousands of years ago that gets passed down by pedophiles who've committed atrocities in the name of their God, you'll have to forgive me for being a bit leery.
I'm just asking that us atheists or non-believers are given something a little more tangible so we can start believing. I used to give my faith blindly, but now that I can form thoughts and opinions independently I don't want to listen to someone who can't provide the simplest of logic.
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What's wrong with Judaism in your opinion TA?
Doesn't seem to far out IMO
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I love the "fuck off, Jesus" meme lol
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Atheists... claim to believe in nothing or noone. Kind of ironic, no?
"Spiritually retarded" definitely a fitting term.
At least in the end of their pitiful lives, they always change their minds and renounce their non-existent choice to not make a choice even though they actually have made a choice....lol
The sun sets and rises on the good and the evil. Shows that they are loved in spite of themselves.
Oh well, we all know these kinds of threads never end well. This is where I stopped reading... so carry on our wayward ones, carry on.
Amen brother!
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I love the "fuck off, Jesus" meme lol
haha yes. Bodybuilding related.
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i met a girl last night and we played a little bit religious debating, but agreed to not get angry or fall out, she defended religion, i asked the hard questions, must say it was a very interesting and productive talk.but with the questions, i provided slight modifications and interpretations on how to make biblical stuff seem possible, so i had neutral as possible stance.
we both believe there is something out there, whos to say that the creation force isnt god.
i aske last question and what if its all nothing and we just die.she said well then atleast we die with hope into something.
In my opinion, this kind of thinking is mere proof that we would all do well to live in the here and now and do the best with that, that we can.
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In 2004, scholars at UCLA revealed that college students involved in religious activities are likely to have better mental health. In 2006, population researchers at the University of Texas discovered that the more often you go to church, the longer you live. ...
This is epidemiological bullshit research. It's like the research showing that being in a hospital is dangerous, because it is associated with a sky-high risk of dying. Well, duh, I hope the intelligent getbiggers see the problem with that conclusion.
Same with going to church. It introduces a massive selection bias. You need to be able to travel to go to church, hence, very sick people will tend to go less to church. Dementia, neuropsychiatric illness, vascular disease, cancer etc etc, all diseases common in the elderly, will tend to make people not go outside much, much less to a social gathering like in a church. Thus, this will show up as a finding indicating that church is beneficial, while the reason may be selection. This is the curse of all observational research.
NN
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So how exactly are atheists mentally ill if they don't believe? I don't care what others believe, but this is the same kind of post as if I went attacking any religious group.
;) ;) ;)
I am Agnostic ;D
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http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/seanthomas/100231060/are-atheists-mentally-ill/
Are atheists mentally ill?
Thanks to a couple of surveys, it’s being put about in certain circles that atheists have higher IQs than believers. That may or may not be the case, but one problem with this argument is that, if you accept "average group differences in IQ”, you get into all sorts of sinister debates which bien pensant atheist Lefties might find less to their liking.
So let’s not go down that unhappy road. Let’s dispense with the crude metric of IQ and look at the actual lives led by atheists, and believers, and see how they measure up. In other words: let’s see who is living more intelligently.
And guess what: it’s the believers. A vast body of research, amassed over recent decades, shows that religious belief is physically and psychologically beneficial – to a remarkable degree.
In 2004, scholars at UCLA revealed that college students involved in religious activities are likely to have better mental health. In 2006, population researchers at the University of Texas discovered that the more often you go to church, the longer you live. In the same year researchers at Duke University in America discovered that religious people have stronger immune systems than the irreligious. They also established that churchgoers have lower blood pressure.
Meanwhile in 2009 a team of Harvard psychologists discovered that believers who checked into hospital with broken hips reported less depression, had shorter hospital stays, and could hobble further when they left hospital – as compared to their similarly crippled but heathen fellow-sufferers.
So let me get this straight: We should all be religious, so that we will live longer, so that we will enter the (putative) afterlife LATER? Where is the sense in that?
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People feel the need to believe they're part of something more grand than a cow's life. Or when a person dies, they clings to any odd logic....he's in a better place, etc. Things happen in God"s time, it wasn't God's will.
People will believe almost anything, if taught from a young age.
My problem is I like to actually think and use a little logic. Have you ever listened to stories from the bible? Sounds like Dungeons and Dragons tales. If someone you just met told you these stories in a modern context, you would laugh and tell them they were full of shit.
It's amusing listening to religious people though. So thanks, if you are ;)
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Have you ever listened to stories from the bible? Sounds like Dungeons and Dragons tales.
are you saying the bible should be turned into a board game for nerds, instead of a sex game for pedos?
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Coach claims that prayers have been proven to work and there is evidence that supports this claim. Of course, he never posts it.
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hahaha I love that guy!!
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Mr. Adonis, please enlighten us less fortunate simpletons your expertise on how we came to know what we are today, without God?
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Mr. Adonis, please enlighten us less fortunate simpletons your expertise on how we came to know what we are today, without God?
How did "God" come to know what he knows today without a meta-"God"?
NN
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No, all atheists are not mentally ill.
That's a ridiculous notion.
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Religion is a tool for the weak, lazy, and ignorant!
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TA casually pushin an awful lot of buttons in this thread.
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Spiritually retarded. They should have to wear helmets with identifying marks and be put in labor camps.
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This is epidemiological bullshit research. It's like the research showing that being in a hospital is dangerous, because it is associated with a sky-high risk of dying. Well, duh, I hope the intelligent getbiggers see the problem with that conclusion.
Same with going to church. It introduces a massive selection bias. You need to be able to travel to go to church, hence, very sick people will tend to go less to church. Dementia, neuropsychiatric illness, vascular disease, cancer etc etc, all diseases common in the elderly, will tend to make people not go outside much, much less to a social gathering like in a church. Thus, this will show up as a finding indicating that church is beneficial, while the reason may be selection. This is the curse of all observational research.
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I tend to agree that this type of "research" doesn't mean much at all.
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Is this thread meant to be ironic?
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Why must a person have any interest in ''god'' at all? God is irrelevant. There's nothing to be believed or disbelieved. Of course retards don't understand this. People that believe and don't believe are mentally ill. If you don't believe there is still investing in non-belief. Until you let go of this idea of a god you're a slave to a lesser mind.
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Why must a person have any interest in ''god'' at all? God is irrelevant. There's nothing to be believed or disbelieved. Of course retards don't understand this.
You aren't required to have any interest in God. Feel free to live out your days however you prefer.
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This is what I mean.
I go outside and I see something growing from the ground. If you speak in english you'd call it a tree.
But here is god..... I've never seen it. I've only heard the word with nothing to apply it to other than some frivolous belief handed down from people assumed to be wiser. WHAT?! How is that logical in any way?
I do see that there is a life force. Such as a cut on my arm that would heal without my doing anything. This is the closest thing i could imagine to being god. But to limit it in any way by calling it something so ridiculous is to go astray from rationality IMO.
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This is what I mean.
I go outside and I see something growing from the ground. If you speak in english you'd call it a tree.
But here is god..... I've never seen it. I've only heard the word with nothing to apply it to other than some frivolous belief handed down from people assumed to be wiser. WHAT?! How is that logical in any way?
It isn't.
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This is what I mean.
I go outside and I see something growing from the ground. If you speak in english you'd call it a tree.
But here is god..... I've never seen it. I've only heard the word with nothing to apply it to other than some frivolous belief handed down from people assumed to be wiser. WHAT?! How is that logical in any way?
I do see that there is a life force. Such as a cut on my arm that would heal without my doing anything. This is the closest thing i could imagine to being god. But to limit it in any way by calling it something so ridiculous is to go astray from rationality IMO.
Have you ever earnestly and humbly sought out God (the Christian God of the bible) based on the terms laid out in scripture? I mean really desired to know God in a personal way and surrendered to his purposes for your life?
I'm not preaching here either.....just a couple questions.
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Yes. I've had what one could call religous experiences. Been through what one would call the dark night of the soul. Read the Bhagavad gita, the bible, practiced various religions, and meditate daily. It all led me to the realization that god never was. It's all just as it is. It's not meant to be limited to such small words as god or whatever you may want to call it. I sought god and enlightened consciousness. It's all bogus. This is it. THIS IS IT. The experiences as it is.
Whether there is anything more is completely irrelevant. It just takes you away from the felt presence of immediate experience, which is the only medium from which we can experience anything AT ALL. Including the idea of god.
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"Visualize for a moment sand dunes. And notice, when you look at these sand dunes in your mind, that they look like wind. Sand dunes look like wind in some sense.
Well, then analyze the situation: what is wind? Wind is a pressure variant phenomena that fluctuates over time. In a way, the sand grains moved about by the wind are like a lower dimensional slice of the wind itself. And from photographic analysis of dunes, you can calculate the speed and duration of the wind that made them. So the dune is a lower dimensional slice of time, of the wind ebbing and flowing that made it.
Now lets change the metaphor a little bit. Instead of grains of sand, let’s think of genes; instead of a windstorm, let’s think of a billion years of evolution. It moves the genes around in a pattern, which is a lower dimensional slice of the force which created the situation.
In other words, on every living organism there is the imprint of the higher dimensional force which made it. Now, somebody could say, 'Well, that’s God.’ Well, but in a scientific context, we don’t speak like that. But whatever it is that made blind matter into whales, squirrels and human beings, it left its calling card inside each human being, each squirrel, each whale.
That’s the DNA."
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Yes. I've had what one could call religous experiences. Been through what one would call the dark night of the soul. Read the Bhagavad gita, the bible, practiced various religions, and meditate daily. It all led me to the realization that god never was. It's all just as it is. It's not meant to be limited to such small words as god or whatever you may want to call it. I sought god and enlightened consciousness. It's all bogus. This is it. THIS IS IT. The experiences as it is.
Whether there is anything more is completely irrelevant. It just takes you away from the felt presence of immediate experience, which is the only medium from which we can experience anything AT ALL. Including the idea of god.
So you've practiced various religions, Hinduisim being one of them, you've meditated a bit, read the bible, attempted to reach enlightenment (via Buddhism?) and in the end found it all pointless. I probably would've come to the same conclusion as you had I pursued that path.
Have you ever surrendered to the will of Jesus Christ though? I mean truly surrendered and applied what you read in the bible? Beyond general study and reading of scripture, beyond church attendance.....actively desired for Christ to reveal himself in your life? That's more what I'm asking.
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Why must a person have any interest in ''god'' at all? God is irrelevant. There's nothing to be believed or disbelieved. Of course retards don't understand this. People that believe and don't believe are mentally ill. If you don't believe there is still investing in non-belief. Until you let go of this idea of a god you're a slave to a lesser mind.
This.
I'd rather focus on what kind of whores outter space may have to offer human kind.
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So you've practiced various religions, Hinduisim being one of them, you've meditated a bit, read the bible, attempted to reach enlightenment (via Buddhism?) and in the end found it all pointless. I probably would've come to the same conclusion as you had I pursued that path.
Have you ever surrendered to the will of Jesus Christ though? I mean truly surrendered and applied what you read in the bible? Beyond general study and reading of scripture, beyond church attendance.....actively desired for Christ to reveal himself in your life? That's more what I'm asking.
No no no. I didn't find it pointless. Let me put it like this. I found practice of religion to be a trap. When you catch the fish, you can forget the trap. The fish is the realization that this is it. The trap is the practice to catch the now. Practice until you get it, then you can forget the trap. You may continue to practice all you want but it's all the same thing once you get it. People will try and trick you into thinking that there is something higher in the following of jesus, or having Christ reveal himself. The point is to trust yourself. There is no point in following any religion unless that's what you wish to do with your time.
We're here. that's all we do know. From there we see we have the ability to act and think. And from there we have the ability to play life's games.
There are many games. Religion, racing, flying kites, having sex... etc. but you must realize we only participate in order to be in moment (unless you're completely blown about by the mind and restless senses). Religion and following christ will give you methods to teach you how to get into the moment so much so you forget who you think you are. That's the end game. You can get there by doing anything if you're honest in your efforts. Religion is no better than anything else, it's just an old method that works well. Nothing to obsess over.
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No no no. I didn't find it pointless. Let me put it like this. I found practice of religion to be a trap. When you catch the fish, you can forget the trap. The fish is the realization that this is it. The trap is the practice to catch the now. Practice until you get it, then you can forget the trap. You may continue to practice all you want but it's all the same thing once you get it. People will try and trick you into thinking that there is something higher in the following of jesus, or having Christ reveal himself. The point is to trust yourself. There is no point in following any religion unless that's what you wish to do with your time.
We're here. that's all we do know. From there we see we have the ability to act and think. And from there we have the ability to play life's games.
There are many games. Religion, racing, flying kites, having sex... etc. but you must realize we only participate in order to be in moment (unless you're completely blown about by the mind and restless senses). Religion and following christ will give you methods to teach you how to get into the moment so much so you forget who you think you are. That's the end game. You can get there by doing anything if you're honest in your efforts. Religion is no better than anything else, it's just an old method that works well. Nothing to obsess over.
Well, that certainly is one way to look at it. Thanks!
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Spiritually retarded. They should have to wear helmets with identifying marks and be put in labor camps.
Looks like you support Nazi labor camps ideology ;D ;D ;D