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Title: 2012 Olympia - Phil vs Kai - Line stepping, alternate angle
Post by: Papper on August 24, 2013, 03:19:30 AM
Will Heath/Kai Mr O final be a endlessly debated showdown in the future?
Title: 2012 Olympia - Phil vs Kai - Line stepping, alternate angle
Post by: Wiggs on August 24, 2013, 06:41:14 AM


Phil is a such a fucking douchebag and asshole for this shit.

Title: Re: Line stepping, alternate angle
Post by: che on August 24, 2013, 07:02:15 AM
Phil is a such a fucking douchebag and asshole for this shit.


Phil destroying Kai in that video.
Title: Re: Heath and Kai final was close - will it become an endless debate?
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on August 24, 2013, 07:14:50 AM
Will Heath/Kai Mr O final be a endlessly debated showdown in the future?

Heath is better , Kai has advantages but Heath is the better of the two and will remain so
Title: Re: Heath and Kai final was close - will it become an endless debate?
Post by: Tito24 on August 24, 2013, 07:15:59 AM
heath is twice as small as kaj, thereby heath is de generate element in this. despite the despickable gay acts of kaj
Title: Re: Line stepping, alternate angle
Post by: Rami on August 24, 2013, 07:25:57 AM
being a morally corrupt and ruined egomaniac won him 2 titles, which he should hand back immediately to repent.
Title: Re: Line stepping, alternate angle
Post by: Frank Clairmonte on August 24, 2013, 07:28:19 AM
Kai knew what Philsulin Cheath was doing and let him to do so.

Big mistake from Kai. :-\

Two tall nyggers hebrews are not doing their job, should be fired.
Title: Re: Line stepping, alternate angle
Post by: Wiggs on August 24, 2013, 07:38:14 AM
Phil destroying Kai in that video.

I can't argue that. Phil looks full, Kai looks flat.
Title: Re: Line stepping, alternate angle
Post by: Rami on August 24, 2013, 07:45:45 AM
they should put up an electric barrier so that when they tough it with their feet, blue flames shouts out their ears and they pass out for a while.
Title: Re: 2012 Olympia - Phil vs Kai - Line stepping, alternate angle
Post by: kh300 on August 24, 2013, 08:21:34 AM
The real question should have been who was in charge of the show. Had I been there I would have said Phil if you step over the line one more time you're disqualified. He was allowed to do it, so why wouldn't he?
Title: Re: 2012 Olympia - Phil vs Kai - Line stepping, alternate angle
Post by: anabolichalo on August 24, 2013, 08:28:16 AM
lol @ bber in the background still hitting shots for himself and staring at his own arms as he shakes them around
Title: Re: 2012 Olympia - Phil vs Kai - Line stepping, alternate angle
Post by: Parker on August 24, 2013, 08:31:19 AM
Step in the name of love
Title: Re: 2012 Olympia - Phil vs Kai - Line stepping, alternate angle
Post by: BRO on August 24, 2013, 08:58:37 AM
They should just let them pose right up to the edge of the stage. Then Phil would simply fall off stage when he tries to step over the line. 
Title: Re: 2012 Olympia - Phil vs Kai - Line stepping, alternate angle
Post by: Shockwave on August 24, 2013, 09:01:24 AM
Lol @ Heath being such a douche. Clearly doesn't have much faith in his physique.
Title: Re: 2012 Olympia - Phil vs Kai - Line stepping, alternate angle
Post by: Tito24 on August 24, 2013, 09:03:11 AM
heath should be stoned with shoes from freedom loving people everywhere
Title: Re: 2012 Olympia - Phil vs Kai - Line stepping, alternate angle
Post by: BRO on August 24, 2013, 09:06:36 AM
heath should be stoned with shoes from freedom loving people everywhere

So basically, have Dexter Jackson take out his shoe collection and hand it out to the audience?
Title: Re: 2012 Olympia - Phil vs Kai - Line stepping, alternate angle
Post by: Shockwave on August 24, 2013, 09:06:50 AM
heath should be stoned with shoes from freedom loving people everywhere
Heath should be anally stoned.
Title: Re: 2012 Olympia - Phil vs Kai - Line stepping, alternate angle
Post by: mr.turbo on August 24, 2013, 10:04:49 AM
ridiculous mean mugging from phil cheath
Title: Re: 2012 Olympia - Phil vs Kai - Line stepping, alternate angle
Post by: che on August 24, 2013, 10:32:45 AM
 It wouldn't even matter if both were stepping on the line , in this video Kai is closer (to the camera ) than Phil and  he's  still getting raped by Phil.
Title: Re: 2012 Olympia - Phil vs Kai - Line stepping, alternate angle
Post by: OTHstrong on August 24, 2013, 11:29:11 AM
seriously whoever thinks Phil has an advantage by standing six inches forward knows jack shit about bodybuilding, the judges are at least 12 rows back, in fact in some Olympias they have been as far back as 20 rows.

ARE YOU GUYS FUCKEN KIDDING ME  ???  You actually think that many rows back that 6 inches is going to make a fucken difference, use your head people

BTW Phil is eating kai alive there
Title: Re: 2012 Olympia - Phil vs Kai - Line stepping, alternate angle
Post by: Parker on August 24, 2013, 11:46:35 AM
In that lat spread, you see that Phil is thicker through his traps all the way through his rhomboideus.
Title: Re: 2012 Olympia - Phil vs Kai - Line stepping, alternate angle
Post by: Frank Clairmonte on August 24, 2013, 11:48:41 AM
seriously whoever thinks Phil has an advantage by standing six inches forward knows jack shit about bodybuilding, the judges are at least 12 rows back, in fact in some Olympias they have been as far back as 20 rows.

ARE YOU GUYS FUCKEN KIDDING ME  ???  You actually think that many rows back that 6 inches is going to make a fucken difference, use your head people

BTW Phil is eating kai alive there

it makes difference. No matter how far away judges are, it still makes difference.

Title: Re: Heath and Kai final was close - will it become an endless debate?
Post by: hp31 on August 24, 2013, 11:53:22 AM
Heath is better , Kai has advantages but Heath is the better of the two and will remain so

QFT
Title: Re: 2012 Olympia - Phil vs Kai - Line stepping, alternate angle
Post by: Tito24 on August 24, 2013, 11:58:19 AM
he should do the figure division. heath is way too small to get up there with the big boys.
Title: Re: 2012 Olympia - Phil vs Kai - Line stepping, alternate angle
Post by: Parker on August 24, 2013, 12:00:18 PM
he should do the figure division. heath is way too small to get up there with the big boys.
He was in the 240s
Title: Re: 2012 Olympia - Phil vs Kai - Line stepping, alternate angle
Post by: Tito24 on August 24, 2013, 12:00:54 PM
he is too small imo. girlie man he is
Title: Re: 2012 Olympia - Phil vs Kai - Line stepping, alternate angle
Post by: OTHstrong on August 24, 2013, 12:04:30 PM
it makes difference. No matter how far away judges are, it still makes difference.


4-6 inches makes a difference 60 plus feet away, are you crazy ?
Title: Re: 2012 Olympia - Phil vs Kai - Line stepping, alternate angle
Post by: Papper on August 24, 2013, 12:25:10 PM
4-6 inches makes a difference 60 plus feet away, are you crazy ?

then why does he do it?

it's also his reputation and self image on the line, when he views the online photos post show he doesn't want to look small.
Title: Re: 2012 Olympia - Phil vs Kai - Line stepping, alternate angle
Post by: Papper on August 24, 2013, 12:27:09 PM
They should just let them pose right up to the edge of the stage. Then Phil would simply fall off stage when he tries to step over the line. 

I don't see why that couldn't be arranged.

The stage in the 2001 Olympia was awesome, I wish they could return to that lighting and that stage,
Title: Re: 2012 Olympia - Phil vs Kai - Line stepping, alternate angle
Post by: Viking11 on August 24, 2013, 08:19:42 PM
I favor the electric cattle prod to solve this problem. Coincidently, so does Kai..
Title: Re: 2012 Olympia - Phil vs Kai - Line stepping, alternate angle
Post by: OTHstrong on August 24, 2013, 08:47:08 PM
then why does he do it?

it's also his reputation and self image on the line, when he views the online photos post show he doesn't want to look small.
well I am not saying it is not wrong cause it clearly makes a difference in a photo, not going to accuse him of that but appearing 6 inches closer in a photo does make a difference and I will agree with you guys no problem on that point.

But from the judges perspective and judging format it can not possibly make a difference, have you ever sat 15 plus rows back, the competitors are so far away, you would never in a million years be able to tell the difference over a couple of inches.
Title: Re: 2012 Olympia - Phil vs Kai - Line stepping, alternate angle
Post by: OTHstrong on August 24, 2013, 08:52:43 PM
I don't see why that couldn't be arranged.

The stage in the 2001 Olympia was awesome, I wish they could return to that lighting and that stage,
I have helped set up stage lights for bodybuilding shows and I have also helped deciding where the light goes on stage as well and when it is dark in the audience there needs to be a transition with the light strength from audience to stage so it wouldn't work having the strength of the light at the front of the stage, also for safety reasons, these guys are depleted they might fall of the stage being to close to the edge  :-\
Title: Re: 2012 Olympia - Phil vs Kai - Line stepping, alternate angle
Post by: Skeletor on August 24, 2013, 08:55:37 PM
Aren't there any rules or sanctions against this? For example if someone insists on crossing the line they get points deducted.
Title: Re: 2012 Olympia - Phil vs Kai - Line stepping, alternate angle
Post by: OTHstrong on August 24, 2013, 09:07:35 PM
Aren't there any rules or sanctions against this? For example if someone insists on crossing the line they get points deducted.
I am a stage marshal, obviously not at pro shows but at regional and provincial level and it is the stage marshal's job to make sure no one crosses the line, I have called people back for this myself and sometimes you have to bark at the competitors.

So in Phil's case it was up the stage marshel to say something
Title: Re: 2012 Olympia - Phil vs Kai - Line stepping, alternate angle
Post by: luvvsuNOT on August 24, 2013, 09:15:11 PM
I'm no fan of Heath but jeeze, just look at the forearms, arms and delts compared to Kai.
Title: Re: 2012 Olympia - Phil vs Kai - Line stepping, alternate angle
Post by: delta9mda on August 24, 2013, 09:19:13 PM
Phil's toes on the line, Kai's heels on the line, maybe Kai should have stepped up  8)
Title: Re: 2012 Olympia - Phil vs Kai - Line stepping, alternate angle
Post by: jude2 on August 24, 2013, 09:49:38 PM
I'm no fan of Heath but jeeze, just look at the forearms, arms and delts compared to Kai.
Make a fist and curl your wrist and look at your forearms then look at them with your arms fully extended. Just so u know how a muscle looks alot bigger when it is flexed or stretched .
Title: Re: 2012 Olympia - Phil vs Kai - Line stepping, alternate angle
Post by: luvvsuNOT on August 24, 2013, 09:56:43 PM
Make a fist and curl your wrist and look at your forearms then look at them with your arms fully extended. Just so u know how a muscle looks alot bigger when it is flexed or stretched .

Yah, that's the reaon. Silly me.
Title: Re: 2012 Olympia - Phil vs Kai - Line stepping, alternate angle
Post by: luvvsuNOT on August 24, 2013, 10:02:35 PM
Make a fist and curl your wrist and look at your forearms then look at them with your arms fully extended. Just so u know how a muscle looks alot bigger when it is flexed or stretched .

BTW, the brachioradialis is flexed when the hand is extended and the forearm flexed (bent like in the contracted position of a reverse wrist curl). Since both their arms are extended, it is actually Kai that has hands extended and causing more contraction in his brachioradialis. Phil has in hands curled in contracting the inner wrist flexors. Phil simply has much bigger forearms than Kai. There's no debate on that.
(http://www.bisonstrength.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/major-forearm-muscles.jpg)
Title: Re: 2012 Olympia - Phil vs Kai - Line stepping, alternate angle
Post by: 240 is Back on August 24, 2013, 10:37:37 PM
He was in the 240s

I know a lot about the 240s.  They're skinnyfat, manic, emotionally immature messes with just enough cruel wit to stay relevant. 
Title: Re: 2012 Olympia - Phil vs Kai - Line stepping, alternate angle
Post by: 240 is Back on August 24, 2013, 10:39:00 PM
Aren't there any rules or sanctions against this? For example if someone insists on crossing the line they get points deducted.


I'm pretty sure a guy like Ronny Rockel ain't getting away with that shit lol. 

#heathmode
Title: Re: 2012 Olympia - Phil vs Kai - Line stepping, alternate angle
Post by: Bosch on August 25, 2013, 02:08:48 AM

Phil is a such a fucking douchebag and asshole for this shit.



What's the point competing, if contender for a champion's title violate the rules and not getting punished at all?
Phil is standing a foot closer to the lens in comparisons, that's what we all look at after the competition.

IFBB is anything, but a sports federation, if they can allow that and made no official statement or take away the points. For me as a spectator, bodybuilding judging is a fucking black hole, i don't have a clue how that shit works.
Title: Re: 2012 Olympia - Phil vs Kai - Line stepping, alternate angle
Post by: ukjeff on August 25, 2013, 02:18:14 AM
What's the point competing, if contender for a champion's title violate the rules and not getting punished at all?
Phil is standing a foot closer to the lens in comparisons, that's what we all look at after the competition.

IFBB is anything, but a sports federation, if they can allow that and made no official statement or take away the points. For me as a spectator, bodybuilding judging is a fucking black hole, i don't have a clue how that shit works.

There was nothing stopping Kai stepping forward as well.
Title: Re: 2012 Olympia - Phil vs Kai - Line stepping, alternate angle
Post by: Tito24 on August 25, 2013, 02:24:33 AM
fil head has crazy forearms i give him that
Title: Re: 2012 Olympia - Phil vs Kai - Line stepping, alternate angle
Post by: luvvsuNOT on August 25, 2013, 02:29:37 AM
There was nothing stopping Kai stepping forward as well.

Personal pride, self-respect and dignity. That's our Kai.
Title: Re: 2012 Olympia - Phil vs Kai - Line stepping, alternate angle
Post by: Skeletor on August 25, 2013, 08:16:35 AM
I am a stage marshal, obviously not at pro shows but at regional and provincial level and it is the stage marshal's job to make sure no one crosses the line, I have called people back for this myself and sometimes you have to bark at the competitors.

So in Phil's case it was up the stage marshel to say something

What happens if the competitor keeps blatantly stepping over the line as soon as the marshal walks away?
Title: Re: 2012 Olympia - Phil vs Kai - Line stepping, alternate angle
Post by: ukjeff on August 25, 2013, 08:18:32 AM
Personal pride, self-respect and dignity. That's our Kai.
And a second place trophy to go with it.
Title: Re: 2012 Olympia - Phil vs Kai - Line stepping, alternate angle
Post by: Skeletor on August 25, 2013, 08:19:57 AM

I'm pretty sure a guy like Ronny Rockel ain't getting away with that shit lol. 

#heathmode

I think so too. If they do try to say something to Heath, he would probably make a huge deal out of it saying the Mr.Olympia is being disrespected etc.

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=489243.0;attach=532066;image)
Title: Re: 2012 Olympia - Phil vs Kai - Line stepping, alternate angle
Post by: Frank Clairmonte on August 25, 2013, 08:52:06 AM
4-6 inches makes a difference 60 plus feet away, are you crazy ?

 ::) 4-6 inches

you are right, Cheath is standing only 4-6 inches in front of Kai......... ;D

You better go and check your eyes. :-\


You have to be dumb as fuck when you say that Cheath standing closer to the judges does not make difference. It does. Kai looks smaller, just watch videos from contest. ;)


Title: Re: 2012 Olympia - Phil vs Kai - Line stepping, alternate angle
Post by: smoothasf on August 25, 2013, 09:12:06 AM
Phil totally destroys him, totally. Apart from kais chest there is no body part better and saying that it's just bigger, his torso shape is plain weird. Kai has more oil in his arms than any one up there. The size queens on this board are clearly closet homos.
Title: Re: 2012 Olympia - Phil vs Kai - Line stepping, alternate angle
Post by: che on August 25, 2013, 09:34:45 AM
Make a fist and curl your wrist and look at your forearms then look at them with your arms fully extended. Just so u know how a muscle looks alot bigger when it is flexed or stretched .

I did , they look the same .
Title: Re: 2012 Olympia - Phil vs Kai - Line stepping, alternate angle
Post by: jude2 on August 25, 2013, 09:37:35 AM
I did , they look the same .
I sorry. Yes we all know Phil has better forearms than Kai.
Title: Re: 2012 Olympia - Phil vs Kai - Line stepping, alternate angle
Post by: anabolichalo on August 25, 2013, 01:09:58 PM
green has a killer front lat spread and side chest pose


other poses go to phil


Title: Re: 2012 Olympia - Phil vs Kai - Line stepping, alternate angle
Post by: Wiggs on August 25, 2013, 01:34:31 PM
I am not a violent man, but I would club 3 baby seals to know what what those two took from start of their careers to now. No way in fuck I'd ever attempt to duplicate but just to know would be Bodybuilding's Holy Grail shit. I never bother to look because you hear so much bullshit or, "it's alot less than you think" I'd love to see some journals for drugs, food, training, and anything else. I mean they are lab rats at this point and it's only natural that we ask what they took to get them this way.


Kai needs to be darker and even more lean. I think this year will be the best year well ever see from Kai whether it wins or not well see.
Title: Re: 2012 Olympia - Phil vs Kai - Line stepping, alternate angle
Post by: Frank Clairmonte on August 25, 2013, 02:27:52 PM
I am not a violent man, but I would club 3 baby seals to know what what those two took from start of their careers to now. No way in fuck I'd ever attempt to duplicate but just to know would be Bodybuilding's Holy Grail shit. I never bother to look because you hear so much bullshit or, "it's alot less than you think" I'd love to see some journals for drugs, food, training, and anything else. I mean they are lab rats at this point and it's only natural that we ask what they took to get them this way.


Kai needs to be darker and even more lean. I think this year will be the best year well ever see from Kai whether it wins or not well see.

I fear that Kai s waist is gonna be again bloated. :-\
Title: Re: 2012 Olympia - Phil vs Kai - Line stepping, alternate angle
Post by: jude2 on August 25, 2013, 03:51:35 PM
I fear that Kai s waist is gonna be again bloated. :-\
I don't think so. He stayed pretty lean this year.
Title: Re: 2012 Olympia - Phil vs Kai - Line stepping, alternate angle
Post by: OTHstrong on August 25, 2013, 04:54:32 PM
I don't think so. He stayed pretty lean this year.
Which is why I feel he will slip to fourth place, the guy never broke the striations in his legs conditioning all year, that will cost him something. the body is not meant to be in that condition year round, the anxiety, the blood pressure, the discomfort, does he have anything left for the final sprint  ???

I say no, if he does, he is a fucken mental freak, above the rest.
Title: Re: 2012 Olympia - Phil vs Kai - Line stepping, alternate angle
Post by: old-school-lifter on August 25, 2013, 05:30:35 PM
Kai is the true 2012 mr O

phil is a cheating arrogant douchebag
Title: Re: 2012 Olympia - Phil vs Kai - Line stepping, alternate angle
Post by: Wiggs on August 25, 2013, 07:58:49 PM
One month left fuckers. I can't fucking wait. This will finally settle the Phil/Kai shit.
Title: Re: 2012 Olympia - Phil vs Kai - Line stepping, alternate angle
Post by: SF1900 on August 25, 2013, 08:14:32 PM
One month left fuckers. I can't fucking wait. This will finally settle the Phil/Kai shit.


Wiggs, you attending?
Title: Re: 2012 Olympia - Phil vs Kai - Line stepping, alternate angle
Post by: Wiggs on August 25, 2013, 08:21:29 PM


Wiggs, you attending?

No, In all honesty, I've kind of made it a tradition to be online with my bros but I always go to the expo. I like being online with the commentary and feedback from everyone. In person is cool too but crowds, people, etc.
Title: Re: 2012 Olympia - Phil vs Kai - Line stepping, alternate angle
Post by: OTHstrong on August 25, 2013, 11:15:08 PM
One month left fuckers. I can't fucking wait. This will finally settle the Phil/Rami shit.
FIXED  ;)
Title: Re: 2012 Olympia - Phil vs Kai - Line stepping, alternate angle
Post by: Cold on August 25, 2013, 11:46:59 PM
Why is Kai's chest so shallow, flat, and bottom heavy in that video?

All that drugs and can't even build a half decent chest. Looks like absolute shiiit.
Title: Re: 2012 Olympia - Phil vs Kai - Line stepping, alternate angle
Post by: Cold on August 25, 2013, 11:48:26 PM
Kai is the true 2012 mr O

phil is a cheating arrogant douchebag

You're an idiot. Go watch the video 10 more times. Kai stood closer to the camera and still got owned by Phil pretty badly in virtually every pose. And I'm not a fan of neither guy.
Title: Re: 2012 Olympia - Phil vs Kai - Line stepping, alternate angle
Post by: kyomu on August 26, 2013, 02:16:28 AM
seriously whoever thinks Phil has an advantage by standing six inches forward knows jack shit about bodybuilding, the judges are at least 12 rows back, in fact in some Olympias they have been as far back as 20 rows.

ARE YOU GUYS FUCKEN KIDDING ME  ???  You actually think that many rows back that 6 inches is going to make a fucken difference, use your head people

BTW Phil is eating kai alive there
You surprise me a lot.
Paco told me that this "stepping forward" strategy is very common in pro league in USA.
That means its very effective.  Adding "half inchs" in your shoulder width makes you 10 lbs bigger.
Hope this help.
Title: Re: 2012 Olympia - Phil vs Kai - Line stepping, alternate angle
Post by: Wiggs on August 26, 2013, 08:13:43 AM
You surprise me a lot.
Paco told me that this "stepping forward" strategy is very common in pro league in USA.
That means its very effective.  Adding "half inchs" in your shoulder width makes you 10 lbs bigger.
Hope this help.

lolol...OTH.  It's obvious Phil is doing it for a reason. It shows in magazines and photos.