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NCAA should be disbanded for a 2 qtr suspension. This dude's family was trademarking stuff before he won the Heismann, so it's unlikely he'd take some money for his likeness. ::)
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Yeah, but he had a great game.
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Yeah, but he had a great game.
douchebag. he also assaulted a man in tx with one of his buddies. fuck this dude!
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Is this related to vaginal douching?
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Yeah, but he had a great game.
He should be sitting out a year. Fucking thug
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He's owning the haterz his coach pulled a beta bitch boy move by benching him, I tweeted him told him to buy his coach a case of cupcakes, is his coach gona bench him in the 4th qtr if their up by 7 on Alabama and he points to scoreboard and is flagged, ya see I am beginning to like manziel he's taking on the outlaw role and fuckers aren't accepting their ownings!
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What's douche is his coach resorting to high school political tactics, manziel laughed at him when he tried to bully up and scold him while he walked to the sidelines, what a bitch boy move by A&M's coach he suppose to support his star player and taunt the other team by sending him back out there next series to run up score!
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lol he is a grade A dick and doing nothing but dropping his draft spot and signing amount.
he should live it up while playing college ball bc he wont have 15% of the success he is having now in the NFL
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lol he is a grade A dick and doing nothing but dropping his draft spot and signing amount.
he should live it up while playing college ball bc he wont have 15% of the success he is having now in the NFL
Correct. No self respectin team will draft him that high. It'll be like Claussen.
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Yeah, but he had a great game.
You would be running you mouth non-stop and blaming Obama if he was black
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he looks a tad older than a college student/star quarterback ..
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The company i work for is about 80% aggies, all they ever talk about is this asshole. College Station is just 1 hour from where i live. The guy is a total jackass and an arrogant prick. Sure he's a great QB, but he's letting it all go to his head. Even his own teammates don't like him and do not respect him.
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He has a face you want to beat the shit out of.
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He lies about his height like most Pro Bodybuilders...Buddy of mine stood next to him and the kid is only like 5'10...Drew Bree's aside, No way a guy this short will do anything in the NFL.
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Yeah, but he had a great game.
Against Rice... Alabama and LSU got his number.
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You would be running you mouth non-stop and blaming Obama if he was black
Exactly.
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He lies about his height like most Pro Bodybuilders...Buddy of mine stood next to him and the kid is only like 5'10...Drew Bree's aside, No way a guy this short will do anything in the NFL.
yup and when you have nfl linemen running step for step with him he wont be running around like he does now
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You would be running you mouth non-stop and blaming Obama if he was black
You sound like another angry black man. It isn't my fault that Obama is black and ruined the country. If you would back a smart black person like Dr. Ben Carson r Allen West, you wouldn't hear a peep out of me. Oh, wait, its not really about race after all...you dumbshit.
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nobody signs 4000 items for FREE.
He doesn't give a shit about the NCAA rules, which is fine, he's young and kids tend to be rebellious. He played a good game, but I don't see NFL caliber talent with him. Short, lazy, not hungry, and his team is VERY good right now.
Put him on the Jags with a shitty O line. See how much time he's at a party starting shit, and how often he's in teh film room.
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He is going to get hit very hard in the NFL.
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He lies about his height like most Pro Bodybuilders...Buddy of mine stood next to him and the kid is only like 5'10...Drew Bree's aside, No way a guy this short will do anything in the NFL.
There's Russell Wilson and mike Vick
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The company i work for is about 80% aggies, all they ever talk about is this asshole. College Station is just 1 hour from where i live. The guy is a total jackass and an arrogant prick. Sure he's a great QB, but he's letting it all go to his head. Even his own teammates don't like him and do not respect him.
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Well they never had shit for a football team and now they got this guy..... They should enjoy it a bit before returning to mediocre like they always been
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He lies about his height like most Pro Bodybuilders...Buddy of mine stood next to him and the kid is only like 5'10...Drew Bree's aside, No way a guy this short will do anything in the NFL.
Doug Flutie called. He would like to piss on you.
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Doug Flutie called. He would like to piss on you.
Flutie couldn't do anything in the NFL. And that was when guys were slower and shorter on the offensive and defensive line...Whole different game now.
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Flutie couldn't do anything in the NFL. And that was when guys were slower and shorter on the offensive and defensive line...Whole different game now.
Flutie did very well in San Diego and Buffalo. Russell Wilson would also like to poop on you. Talent/desire overshadows height anyday.
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Flutie couldn't do anything in the NFL. And that was when guys were slower and shorter on the offensive and defensive line...Whole different game now.
Flutie could not see over the offensive line but was effective.
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You sound like another angry black man. It isn't my fault that Obama is black and ruined the country. If you would back a smart black person like Dr. Ben Carson r Allen West, you wouldn't hear a peep out of me. Oh, wait, its not really about race after all...you dumbshit.
You've been here long enough that very one knows your gimmick.
Feel better for throwing out insults at me?
You fucking old retarded fool
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Flutie did very well in San Diego and Buffalo. Russell Wilson would also like to poop on you. Talent/desire overshadows height anyday.
Did very well in San Diego and Buffalo? lol... His stats were atrocious...
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/F/FlutDo00.htm
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Did very well in San Diego and Buffalo? lol... His stats were atrocious...
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/F/FlutDo00.htm
He was just like Tebow. Stats might not have been pretty, but he was a winner. My Pats should have kept Tebow :'(
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Flutie could not see over the offensive line but was effective.
It's true that he could see over the lineman...But his stats prove otherwise on being an effective NFL quarterback. He had one year that we could agree was mediocre.. However he was in his mid to late 30's when he came into the NFL...I'm sure if he played in the NFL full time out of college, his stats would have been much better...He definitely had an arm...Something Tebow doesn't have...
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/F/FlutDo00.htm
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You've been here long enough that very one knows your gimmick.
Feel better for throwing out insults at me?
You fucking old retarded fool
Gimmicks don't have over 19k posts. You accuse me of being racist, I laid it out and you didn't like it. If it makes you feel better, I would choose Ted Cruz as well. So....there you have it, two blacks and one hispanic. It's much easier fo yourself and Little J to accuse me of being racist than to actually use your head.
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Well they never had shit for a football team and now they got this guy..... They should enjoy it a bit before returning to mediocre like they always been
A&M has had some fine teams in the past.
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He was just like Tebow. Stats might not have been pretty, but he was a winner. My Pats should have kept Tebow :'(
tebow was no longer a winner with the Jets. Once they figured out the gimmick of his play, he sucked.
He played in TWELVE games with NY Jets last year. He was terrible. BAD footwork, terrible accuracy, and just makes poor decision. Yes, he's a "leader", but that only goes so far on the field when you cannot hit an open man at 25 yards. He's good at those oddball broken plays where the defense is all over and a receiver gets open at 17 yards out--- give an reciever 8 seconds, and he'll get open lol.
if he was good enough to play, he'd be playing. period.
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tebow was no longer a winner with the Jets. Once they figured out the gimmick of his play, he sucked.
He played in TWELVE games with NY Jets last year. He was terrible. BAD footwork, terrible accuracy, and just makes poor decision. Yes, he's a "leader", but that only goes so far on the field when you cannot hit an open man at 25 yards. He's good at those oddball broken plays where the defense is all over and a receiver gets open at 17 yards out--- give an reciever 8 seconds, and he'll get open lol.
if he was good enough to play, he'd be playing. period.
240,.the Jets did nit do shit with Tebow last year. I would be willing to bet that Tebow would have won more games then Sanchez. Tebow has the "it" factor. He has not been given a chance since Denver. He wiuld easily be the best choice for Miami, Jacksonville, and Tampa Bay.
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240,.the Jets did nit do shit with Tebow last year. I would be willing to bet that Tebow would have won more games then Sanchez. Tebow has the "it" factor. He has not been given a chance since Denver. He wiuld easily be the best choice for Miami, Jacksonville, and Tampa Bay.
I just can't think that every NFL GM and head coach is all wrong, and the fans are right.
You have to at least agree with me on these things: He has poor accuracy, footwork, and decision making in the pocket. Agreed?
I'll concede he has leadership, he has the 'it' factor, etc...
Bottom line - a guy with "IT" should have been DOMINATING against the scrub 3rd string Giants players. I hate Tom Brady, but he has "it"... he would have hung 63 points on the Giants 3rd string players, even with his own 3rd string receivers. Tebow scored two TDs, but one was in total garbage time (classless) and the other was on a 7 yard dumpoff where his receiver then juked the shit out of two 3rd strig DBs in open field.
if he had "it" still, he would have been kicking the SHIT out of those 3rd string scrubs. He was panicked, sacked, throwing INTs and looking confused - against the 3rd string guys.
Aside form the weaknesses in his games, I'll go as far asto say he probably isn't that smart - he was winging it in DEN and he's yet to show he is capable in a game since then when he has to stick to a playbook.
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I just can't think that every NFL GM and head coach is all wrong, and the fans are right.
You have to at least agree with me on these things: He has poor accuracy, footwork, and decision making in the pocket. Agreed?
I'll concede he has leadership, he has the 'it' factor, etc...
Bottom line - a guy with "IT" should have been DOMINATING against the scrub 3rd string Giants players. I hate Tom Brady, but he has "it"... he would have hung 63 points on the Giants 3rd string players, even with his own 3rd string receivers. Tebow scored two TDs, but one was in total garbage time (classless) and the other was on a 7 yard dumpoff where his receiver then juked the shit out of two 3rd strig DBs in open field.
if he had "it" still, he would have been kicking the SHIT out of those 3rd string scrubs. He was panicked, sacked, throwing INTs and looking confused - against the 3rd string guys.
Aside form the weaknesses in his games, I'll go as far asto say he probably isn't that smart - he was winging it in DEN and he's yet to show he is capable in a game since then when he has to stick to a playbook.
Not to keep picking on Tebow, but people in the NFL and the college he went to said the man is dumber than a box of hammers...Denver had to dumb down their whole offensive scheme and it was the defense who won most of the games...Coach Ryan of the Jets couldn't believe how Tebow presented himself at camp. He couldn't comprehend the playbook and if someone swore around him, he would say something...One guy on the Jets team supposedly told Tebow to shut the fukc up and learn the fucking playbook. lol...
At Patriots camp, Tebow was supposedly so gaga over Tom Brady, he would constantly tell Tom how great he was to point he would tell Tom how good his hair looked on a certain day or that he loved the way Tom dressed. It got so bad that guys on the team would joke to Tom asking him where his boyfriend was if Tebow wasn't around...
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I just can't think that every NFL GM and head coach is all wrong, and the fans are right.
You have to at least agree with me on these things: He has poor accuracy, footwork, and decision making in the pocket. Agreed?
I'll concede he has leadership, he has the 'it' factor, etc...
Bottom line - a guy with "IT" should have been DOMINATING against the scrub 3rd string Giants players. I hate Tom Brady, but he has "it"... he would have hung 63 points on the Giants 3rd string players, even with his own 3rd string receivers. Tebow scored two TDs, but one was in total garbage time (classless) and the other was on a 7 yard dumpoff where his receiver then juked the shit out of two 3rd strig DBs in open field.
if he had "it" still, he would have been kicking the SHIT out of those 3rd string scrubs. He was panicked, sacked, throwing INTs and looking confused - against the 3rd string guys.
Aside form the weaknesses in his games, I'll go as far asto say he probably isn't that smart - he was winging it in DEN and he's yet to show he is capable in a game since then when he has to stick to a playbook.
Tebow is a shitty practice player. No one can deny the magic he worked in Denver. He beat the Steelers (number 1 ranked defense I think?) In the playoffs. Tebow has been blackballed. Peyton didnt even win a playoff game in Denver ::)
I was scared of Tebow when my Pats played him in the , 2011 playoffs. He is a winner. Deserves a shot at a starting job in a place like Jacksonville. I would have loved him as my third string qb. What a bargain!
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There's Russell Wilson and mike Vick
yes name the exceptions to the rule, that will show him ;)
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Well they never had shit for a football team and now they got this guy..... They should enjoy it a bit before returning to mediocre like they always been
now now, as much as I hate to admit it the aggies are here to stay at least for the forseable future.
they are getting much better recruiting classes than UT and are doing better in a much tougher conference.
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240,.the Jets did nit do shit with Tebow last year. I would be willing to bet that Tebow would have won more games then Sanchez. Tebow has the "it" factor. He has not been given a chance since Denver. He wiuld easily be the best choice for Miami, Jacksonville, and Tampa Bay.
goodness gracious youre delusional, tannehill is infintely a better qb than tebow
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goodness gracious youre delusional, tannehill is infintely a better qb than tebow
Let me know when Tannehill wins a playoff game ;) Tebow got blackballed. Not even good enough for 3rd string? Give me a fucking break.
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Tebow is a shitty practice player.
This is the NFL. Pro football with hundreds of millions of dollars on the line. There are 32 men in this world who are smart, accurate, strong, fast, and prepared enough to run a pro football offense.
This whole "he's not a practice player" is very stupid... If you're the elite, the top 32 out of 7 billion people, then yes, you NEED to be an EXCELLENT practice player.
Not only that, but imagine what happens to a team when Tebow rushes 21 times a game and he gets hurt. They try rebuilding around that? ANd why hasn't a guy that good been able to duplcate magic in a freaking PRESEASON game? He could have went in there and DOMINATED> Would Peyton have dominated 3rd team scrubs? YOU BET HE WOULD. Tebow was throing airballs and getting sacked by guys that'll be bartending next week.
bottom line - if he can't DOMINATE against 3rd string guys, he can't domainte against 1st string guys.
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Let me know when Tannehill wins a playoff game ;) Tebow got blackballed. Not even good enough for 3rd string? Give me a fucking break.
LMFAO tebow had a top 5 defense, a top 10 running back and one of the better receiving cores in the league at denver...
you cant be serious?
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This is the NFL. Pro football with hundreds of millions of dollars on the line. There are 32 men in this world who are smart, accurate, strong, fast, and prepared enough to run a pro football offense.
This whole "he's not a practice player" is very stupid... If you're the elite, the top 32 out of 7 billion people, then yes, you NEED to be an EXCELLENT practice player.
Not only that, but imagine what happens to a team when Tebow rushes 21 times a game and he gets hurt. They try rebuilding around that? ANd why hasn't a guy that good been able to duplcate magic in a freaking PRESEASON game? He could have went in there and DOMINATED> Would Peyton have dominated 3rd team scrubs? YOU BET HE WOULD. Tebow was throing airballs and getting sacked by guys that'll be bartending next week.
bottom line - if he can't DOMINATE against 3rd string guys, he can't domainte against 1st string guys.
Bro, my favorite team is the Patriots. Tom Brady is my all-time favorite player. With all of that being said, I am sad that the Pats couldn't keep Tebow as the 3rd string option. It would have been a huge bargain. Tebow is easily the best 3rd string qb in the league. Hell, he should be a backup!
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Can't wait to see Johnny Football get his clocked cleaned in the NFL! Oh wait that can't happen if your not on the field!
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Let me know when Tannehill wins a playoff game ;) Tebow got blackballed. Not even good enough for 3rd string? Give me a fucking break.
tebow didn't win that game - the broncos did. Insane defense, injured steelers team, overtime, and a receiver gets lucky. We saw what the decent NE defense did to him the next week, and what everyone has been able to do since then.
At the very least, in this pre-season game with his career on the line, he should have kicked the shit outta 3rd stringers. They contained him. they sacked his ass over and over. They intercepted him and flustered him into missing open guys by 5 yards.
he's an awesome story, a winner in life, a good dude. But he's no rocket scientist and he's not a good QB. I can go win 5 straight hands at blackjack with sheer balls, luck, and shiity players around me... doesn't make me a card shark, and I'll go broke playing every week after that. But yes, everyone gets to shine now and then. right place, right time, he had a good run.
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Bro, my favorite team is the Patriots. Tom Brady is my all-time favorite player. With all of that being said, I am sad that the Pats couldn't keep Tebow as the 3rd string option. It would have been a huge bargain. Tebow is easily the best 3rd string qb in the league. Hell, he should be a backup!
If the pats did keep a 3rd guy regularly, I could see them keeping him. And I think if he had been awesome when he finally had the rock in his hand - I could see them justifying it. But he wasn't any good in his 3rd string start. I was pretty impressed with the 3 highlight plays... then I saw a stack of 12 other plays - sacks, overthrows, just missing the open man 8 yards out when it should have been him STOMPING people.
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tebow didn't win that game - the broncos did. Insane defense, injured steelers team, overtime, and a receiver gets lucky. We saw what the decent NE defense did to him the next week, and what everyone has been able to do since then.
At the very least, in this pre-season game with his career on the line, he should have kicked the shit outta 3rd stringers. They contained him. they sacked his ass over and over. They intercepted him and flustered him into missing open guys by 5 yards.
he's an awesome story, a winner in life, a good dude. But he's no rocket scientist and he's not a good QB. I can go win 5 straight hands at blackjack with sheer balls, luck, and shiity players around me... doesn't make me a card shark, and I'll go broke playing every week after that. But yes, everyone gets to shine now and then. right place, right time, he had a good run.
Yes, but you don't go from winning a playoff game as a starter, to a dogshit roll with the Jets. Then Get cut as a third string option for the Pats. Tebow deserved a chance at being a starter for the first half of a season.
My team (Patriots) made a mistake by cutting him.
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Yes, but you don't go from winning a playoff game as a starter, to a dogshit roll with the Jets. Then Get cut as a third string option for the Pats. Tebow deserved a chance at being a starter for the first half of a season.
My team (Patriots) made a mistake by cutting him.
youre giving tebow way to much credit for that playoff win
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youre giving tebow way to much credit for that playoff win
He was the quarterback. The poor guy went from a playoff winner to out of the league. He deserves a real shot.
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He was the quarterback. The poor guy went from a playoff winner to out of the league. He deserves a real shot.
he was the qb on a team with a top 5 defense, top 10 running back and one of the better receiving cores in the league...
and you want to compare him to tannehill? that guys best receiver was a 5'10" white guy!!!!
I said since he was in college he wouldnt be a good nfl qb, he is a good guy and a good role model for kids but that doesnt make him a good qb
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he was the qb on a team with a top 5 defense, top 10 running back and one of the better receiving cores in the league...
and you want to compare him to tannehill? that guys best receiver was a 5'10" white guy!!!!
I said since he was in college he wouldnt be a good nfl qb, he is a good guy and a good role model for kids but that doesnt make him a good qb
It is about wins and losses. Tebow has won more games then lost as a starter. I do not give a shit about stats. He is was a winner. He did not get the second chance he deserved.
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It is about wins and losses. Tebow has won more games then lost as a starter. I do not give a shit about stats. He is was a defense was a winner. He did not get the second chance he deserved. took all the credit for their wins
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Tebow won a playoff game for Denver in 2011. Peyton Manning did not win a playoff game for the Broncos in 2012.
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It is about wins and losses. Tebow has won more games then lost as a starter. I do not give a shit about stats. He is was a winner. He did not get the second chance he deserved.
LMFAO again there brainchild, top 5 defense, top 10 running back and one of the better receiving cores in the league.
you think tebow was the magical player that made the difference?
LMFAO
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Tebow won a playoff game for Denver in 2011. Peyton Manning did not win a playoff game for the Broncos in 2012.
LMFAO thats b/c peyton was good enough to win his division and not be in the wildcard game you dumb ass
so b/c tebow couldnt lead the broncos to a division title and had to play in the wild card game to make it to the same game peyton did without playing a playoff game you give him credit over manning?
LMFAO you know little to nothing about fooseball there dumbass
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LMFAO thats b/c peyton was good enough to win his division and not be in the wildcard game you dumb ass
so b/c tebow couldnt lead the broncos to a division title and had to play in the wild card game to make it to the same game peyton did without playing a playoff game you give him credit over manning?
LMFAO you know little to nothing about fooseball there dumbass
Tebow did not start the season as the starting quarterback. In fact, he took over for a horrible team. They were 1-3 or 1-4 when Tebow took over. He beat the number 1 ranked defense (Steelers) in the playoffs by passing for over 300 yards, and throwing the game winning touchdown in ot.
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Many of you refuse to see all tebows endorsements go to charity the NFL doesn't make one dime off him, they are blackballing him for this
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Tebow won a playoff game for Denver in 2011. Peyton Manning did not win a playoff game for the Broncos in 2012.
eh, trent dilfer won a super bowl. Is he better than Peyton manning, or was the defense/situation different?
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eh, trent dilfer won a super bowl. Is he better than Peyton manning, or was the defense/situation different?
Why are all of Peyton's wins because of his "greatness" but his losses are all someone else's fault?
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Why are all of Peyton's wins because of his "greatness" but his losses are all someone else's fault?
IMO, it's because the team dropped to 2 wins without him.
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Not to keep picking on Tebow, but people in the NFL and the college he went to said the man is dumber than a box of hammers...Denver had to dumb down their whole offensive scheme and it was the defense who won most of the games...Coach Ryan of the Jets couldn't believe how Tebow presented himself at camp. He couldn't comprehend the playbook and if someone swore around him, he would say something...One guy on the Jets team supposedly told Tebow to shut the fukc up and learn the fucking playbook. lol...
At Patriots camp, Tebow was supposedly so gaga over Tom Brady, he would constantly tell Tom how great he was to point he would tell Tom how good his hair looked on a certain day or that he loved the way Tom dressed. It got so bad that guys on the team would joke to Tom asking him where his boyfriend was if Tebow wasn't around...
This is why nobody wanted him. He couldn't learn playbooks. It is well known he wasn't a smart human being. He is Christian after all. How many smart Christians do you know?
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Everyone wants to speed things up and talk NFL. He may or may not make it there, that anyone's guess. For now, he could go down as the greatest college player of all time if he stayed in school all 4 years (he'll be gone after this year). That said, he's a real dumbass and spoiled brat. Why would you taunt the NCAA after getting off with only a slap on the wrist for a major rules violation.
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LMFAO tebow had a top 5 defense, a top 10 running back and one of the better receiving cores in the league at denver...
you cant be serious?
This and tebow got SMOKED at NE the next week against a defense that's ranked close to the bottom in the league
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I like this Manziel fellow.
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Manziel is good....... Jameis Winston is better ;)
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LMFAO again there brainchild, top 5 defense, top 10 running back and one of the better receiving cores in the league.
you think tebow was the magical player that made the difference?
LMFAO
Their D wasn't top 5 and their recieving core was super young. Mcgahee wasn't anything special there either.
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Just tweeted Johnny manziel sent him clip of....the best of josey wales!
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He lies about his height like most Pro Bodybuilders...Buddy of mine stood next to him and the kid is only like 5'10...Drew Bree's aside, No way a guy this short will do anything in the NFL.
ever heard of russell wilson and doug flutie?
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ever heard of russell wilson and doug flutie?
they're the exceptions, not the rule. I dont think he'll fail due to his height... I think he'll fail because to be a good NFL QB, you have to either insanely genetically gifted (even then, they often fail) and you have to WORK insanely hard in the film room.
Johnny football has some gifts, but he's no Vick genetically. I see him being too much of a party animal to spend his sat nights watching film like peyton or Brees or Russell wilson. I think he'll be partying.
We haven't seen him fall yet. once he does, once he gets wrecked for a few games, I think he'll appear entirely average.
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they're the exceptions, not the rule. I dont think he'll fail due to his height... I think he'll fail because to be a good NFL QB, you have to either insanely genetically gifted (even then, they often fail) and you have to WORK insanely hard in the film room.
Johnny football has some gifts, but he's no Vick genetically. I see him being too much of a party animal to spend his sat nights watching film like peyton or Brees or Russell wilson. I think he'll be partying.
We haven't seen him fall yet. once he does, once he gets wrecked for a few games, I think he'll appear entirely average.
not trying to go on and on.....but jim mcmahan was not that tall......ty detmer was not that tall... neither was bart starr.......height is not super important.....many 6 ft 4 dudes never could cut the mustard......mobility and guts makes a huge difference......just saying that many have achieved without size.
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they're the exceptions, not the rule. I dont think he'll fail due to his height... I think he'll fail because to be a good NFL QB, you have to either insanely genetically gifted (even then, they often fail) and you have to WORK insanely hard in the film room.
Johnny football has some gifts, but he's no Vick genetically. I see him being too much of a party animal to spend his sat nights watching film like peyton or Brees or Russell wilson. I think he'll be partying.
We haven't seen him fall yet. once he does, once he gets wrecked for a few games, I think he'll appear entirely average.
It's all about the right system for the QB.