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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Royalty on January 19, 2006, 02:10:22 PM
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I think the 1997 ASC is a Classic example......Nasser has about 50lbs on Flex here.....
(http://www.fitnesspont.hu/mass-shop/picture_gallery/Arnold_Classic/1997/Arnold_Classic_1997_006.jpg)
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Yes, but bodybuilding is like a magic show. By using conditioning, small joints, and full muscle bellies you can give an illusion of being just as large as or even larger than someone who outweighs you by a significant margin. Flex had one of if not the best general structures of all time.
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yeah that pic is a perfect example...he doesn't look much lighter than nasser.
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Yeah but when Nasser turned around he had an incomplete back compared to Flex.
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too bad nasser is 3 feet closer to the camera
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We can thank Shawn Ray for that level of conditioning on Flex since he trained him for that one...
Shawn, what was the routine for that show?
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Yes, but bodybuilding is like a magic show. By using conditioning, small joints, and full muscle bellies you can give an illusion of being just as large as or even larger than someone who outweighs you by a significant margin. Flex had one of if not the best general structures of all time.
I love when people go on about Flex Wheelers structure as being the best ever , its something they read in Flex magazine and start rehashing online , Flex had tiny insertions & full round muscle bellies , HOWEVER structually he is flawed , he is narrow , he had a middleweights torso and superheavyweights arms , Cormier has a better structure than Flex .
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too bad nasser is 3 feet closer to the camera
your an idiot ::)
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I think the 1997 ASC is a Classic example......Nasser has about 50lbs on Flex here.....
(http://www.fitnesspont.hu/mass-shop/picture_gallery/Arnold_Classic/1997/Arnold_Classic_1997_006.jpg)
So? You need glasses or a lesson in judging. I dig Nasser but Flex easily wins in that photo.
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I think Jay has better genetics that Flex.....
and when its all said and done...I think Jays record will be more impressive than Flex's
Jay won an NOC, a pro IronMan, 3 Arnold Classics, and has placed 2nd 4 times at the Olympia......who knows what will happen in 2006!
(http://www.muscul-passion.com/45.jpg)
(http://www.muscul-passion.com/mro2001.jpg)
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I think Jay has better genetics that Flex.....
and when its all said and done...I think Jays record will be more impressive than Flex's
Jay won an NOC, a pro IronMan, 3 Arnold Classics, and has placed 2nd 4 times at the Olympia......who knows what will happen in 2006!
(http://www.muscul-passion.com/45.jpg)
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I think Jay has better genetics that Flex.....
You gotta be kidding me? Jay has better genetics than Flex?
Flex by far has the best genetics in the sports.. Jay is a damn hard worker and all those physique, he earned it by going through hell and lots of hard work
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(http://www.ronnie.cz/_img/Fotogalerie/351_8_1.jpg)
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You gotta be kidding me? Jay has better genetics than Flex?
Flex by far has the best genetics in the sports.. Jay is a damn hard worker and all those physique, he earned it by going through hell and lots of hard work
Did flex have better genetics then dillet? What about sergio? Or vince taylor? Or Aaron Baker. Id say they all had better genetics IMO
Shame our sport is so subjective.
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Shame our sport is so subjective.
Bodybuilding is a SUBJECTIVE sport
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I just think Jays combo of shape and size is better....
(http://www.muscul-passion.com/NP03.jpg)
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Bodybuilding is a SUBJECTIVE sport
exactly ;D
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your an idiot ::)
you're my hero ::)
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exactly ;D
yup yup.. that means bodybuilders will get shafted left, right and centre
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I just think Jays combo of shape and size is better....
(http://www.muscul-passion.com/NP03.jpg)
When is that pic from? I've never been a fan of Jay's physique, but this picture is truely amazing.
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everytime I see an impressive pic of Jay, he never seems to be hitting a pose.
That is what is weird about Jay: he looks much better when he NOT doing a mandatory pose.
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everytime I see an impressive pic of Jay, he never seems to be hitting a pose.
That is what is weird about Jay: he looks much better when he NOT doing a mandatory pose.
yeah there is alot of guys like that i think.
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Nasser may look like absolute shit now, but he should have definitely won at least one olympia.
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Nasser may look like absolute shit now, but he should have definitely won at least one olympia.
Why?
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(http://www.ronnie.cz/_img/Fotogalerie/351_8_1.jpg)
Who's that woman on the background poster? she's hot!
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just about anybody got a better built than jay! Especially the Jay of today, the one with a missing right leg!
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Nasser may look like absolute shit now, but he should have definitely won at least one olympia.
Why?
because he was facing Dorian. that's why ;)
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Nasser should/could have easily beaten Yates at least once.
He looked fuccing amazing for a couple of years.
The saddest thing about competitions is how the repeat, threepeat and eightpeat for craps sake.
If they really gave the sandow to who was best, maybe more people would care.
FYI, Nasser is being owned by Flex in that picture.
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Here's a cool vid from '99 I found on Milos' site (originally from bodybuildingdungeon.com) with alot of the pros being mentioned here on stage together.
http://media.putfile.com/1999-English-Grand-Prix (http://media.putfile.com/1999-English-Grand-Prix)
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Nasser should/could have easily beaten Yates at least once.
He looked fuccing amazing for a couple of years.
The saddest thing about competitions is how the repeat, threepeat and eightpeat for craps sake.
If they really gave the sandow to who was best, maybe more people would care.
FYI, Nasser is being owned by Flex in that picture.
He never stood a chance.
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He never stood a chance.
Nasser "no back" Sonbaty :o
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his back really wasnt that bad at all, i dont see why he has such a bad reputation for having 'no back'
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It's laughable how everybody says that he has no back.
In that pic its' obvious that dorian beats him from the back...but last time I checked the front should count for at least half the judging...if not more?
Did you notice that jackass kamali in the pic with gunter, ronnie and cormier just staring off into space. Wonder what he was thinking?
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I think Jay has better genetics that Flex.....
and when its all said and done...I think Jays record will be more impressive than Flex's
Jay won an NOC, a pro IronMan, 3 Arnold Classics, and has placed 2nd 4 times at the Olympia......who knows what will happen in 2006!
(http://www.muscul-passion.com/45.jpg)
(http://www.muscul-passion.com/mro2001.jpg)
His right leg will be even smaller?
I agree that Jay looks better just standing there. When he hits a pose nothing happens
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jay look like he got bitch tit going on in that pic with the black shorts.
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Did you notice that jackass kamali in the pic with gunter, ronnie and cormier just staring off into space. Wonder what he was thinking?
Kamali: I can't wait to get off stage and start wanking on the hot momma on the poster
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i have to agree with ND, flex was way over rated. he was narrow and had no thickness at all. but with that said flex does beat nasser in that shot.
nasser has always looked to me as the jay of his time, he never looked quite as cut as everyone else and think that hurt him a lot.
as far as jay is concered he always looks so much better a couple days before and a couple days after. the best he has ever looked on stage was at the 03' ironman i do believe.
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He never stood a chance.
Way to go ND, just post a single pic to prove your point. Why don't you post some from the front where dorian was OWNED.
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Nasser should/could have easily beaten Yates at least once.
Nope, you cant judge only the front poses. As soon as he turned around it was game over, and that's a fact. :-\
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Way to go ND, just post a single pic to prove your point. Why don't you post some from the front where dorian was OWNED.
Owned from the front? hardly , Nasser in my opinion would beat Yates in the front double bicep shot and thats about it , front latspread no contest Yates destroys Nasser , ab-thigh close but Nasser had the thicker waist of the two , Yates himself admited that Nasser could match or surpass him in some shots from the front but when they turned around , forget it , like Shawn Ray , Nasser never stood a chance .
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like Shawn Ray , Nasser never stood a chance .
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funny considering that in 1995 Shawn had a BETTER back double biceps shot than Dorian did.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=30855.0;id=29844;image)
which is not really that surprising since dorian never really did have a great back double bi anyway..
(http://body.builder.hu/imagebank/pictures/976994107.jpg)
Shawn clearly deserved to beat Dorian on at least a few occasions..
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funny considering that in 1995 Shawn had a BETTER back double biceps shot than Dorian did.
which is not really that surprising since dorian never really did have a great back double bi anyway..
Shawn clearly deserved to beat Dorian on at least a few occasions..
Shawn had a better back double bicep shot than Yates ? LMFAO kid go away and come back when your senses have returned , Shawns backdouble bicep shot excellent detail , good thickness , NO width , narrow shoulderblades and high calves , Yates back double bicep shot , excellent detail , arguably the thickest back of all time , among the widest of all time , ho-hum biceps , among the best calves ever , not even close , 1995 Dorian crushed everyone !! even with the torn bicep , Shawn Ray was NEVER a legtimate threat to Yates ( or Haney ) , ONLY Flex was .
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Among the greatest back double bicep shots in the history of bodybuilding !!
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Thats a tough one but id certainly rather look like flex
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Among the greatest back double bicep shots in the history of bodybuilding !!
good shot, but not among the best in the history of bodybuilding - biceps are invisible. Arms are central to that pose.
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Among the greatest back double bicep shots in the history of bodybuilding !!
Where is that pic from ? ???
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Where is that pic from ? ???
that pic is from the Mr. Overrated 1995 contest.
Dorian won by a landslide.
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I'm sorry but if yates could win looking like that then that is truly a travesty and the sport is sad. He has two things in that photo that distinguish himself from the other two:
1. The widest waist
2. The smallest arms.
Hes looks pig awful in that shot.
Nasser having the wider waist of the two? Are you kidding chico.
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I'm sorry but if yates could win looking like that then that is truly a travesty and the sport is sad. He has two things in that photo that distinguish himself from the other two:
1. The widest waist
2. The smallest arms.
Hes looks pig awful in that shot(http://)
So you had Nasser beating him in that shot, Sculptura?
DIV
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that pic is from the Mr. Overrated 1995 contest.
REally ??? That looks like German writing to me and as far as I know the 1995 Mr. Olympia took place in Atlanta , Georgia....USA. ;)
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I think Jay has better genetics that Flex.....
and when its all said and done...I think Jays record will be more impressive than Flex's
Jay won an NOC, a pro IronMan, 3 Arnold Classics, and has placed 2nd 4 times at the Olympia......who knows what will happen in 2006!
(http://www.muscul-passion.com/45.jpg)
(http://www.muscul-passion.com/mro2001.jpg)
FLEX WON THE NOC, LIKE 3 IRONMANS, WHAT? 4 ARNOLDS HE ALSO WON HIS FIRST 4 PRO SHOWS AND GOT 2ND AT THE O... WHAT 4 TIMES? SO WHATS MAKES JAYS RECORD MORE IMPRESSIVE THAN KENNYS?
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good shot, but not among the best in the history of bodybuilding - biceps are invisible. Arms are central to that pose.
See this is where your lack of ability to accuratly critique a bodybuilding phsyique shows , that back double bicep shot is flawless from head to toe , if you want to knitpick the only thing wrong is the lack of high peaked biceps , but from top to bottom that picture is flawless , amazing size , shape , detail , separation , balance , proportion , and muscle quality .
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See this is where your lack of ability to accuratly critique a bodybuilding phsyique shows , that back double bicep shot is flawless from head to toe , if you want to knitpick the only thing wrong is the lack of high peaked biceps , but from top to bottom that picture is flawless , amazing size , shape , detail , separation , balance , proportion , and muscle quality .
Likewise on you assessments of ronnie colemans poses - you only look at the calves chico. Proportion on yates - hardly. Arms too small for his torso and to be honest calves too big for quads or vice versa depending onhow you want to view it. And as for having amazing shape - are we talkin about the same dorian yates here who frankly has the aeshetics of dump truck
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Likewise on you assessments of ronnie colemans poses - you only look at the calves chico. Proportion on yates - hardly. Arms too small for his torso and to be honest calves too big for quads or vice versa depending onhow you want to view it. And as for having amazing shape - are we talkin about the same dorian yates here who frankly has the aeshetics of dump truck
No I don't only look at calves , nice try , you're starting to sound like Hulkster , I look at size , shape , proportion , balance , separation , musculairty , and aesthetics , which I never said Yates had !! and Yates calves are to big for his quads? where do you kids come up with this stuff? you're to use to looking at underdeveloped calves to realize thats how calves are supposed to look , I've never seen anyone with calves to big for their quads , thats you grasping at straws , at his prime shape the ONLY weakness Yates had was the lack of highpeaked biceps , and a realitively wide waist .
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I've never seen anyone with calves to big for their quads
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/gallery/musclegallery7/mg178.jpg)
oh yes you have...
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oh yes you have...
Thats just that particular pic , looks normal in this pic.
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(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/gallery/musclegallery7/mg178.jpg)
oh yes you have...
Outstanding stuff!! I'll add a couple of weaknesses to your "list"ND: lack of quad separation, actual muscles of the quadricep missing (i know, i know, but its actuakky true), poor poor arms - please don't riposte with this "but his forearms and triceps are great" nonsense, theyre not, theyre average for an olympian. That photo of him flanked by nasser and shawn speaks volumes - his waist is so bloated that it makes his arms hang even poorer than they normally do
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again ND shoots him self in foot. obviously for whatever you do not like shawn ray. you said he was too narrow to compete with DY, but then you said flex was a legitimate threat but then you said in another thread that flex was super narrow. man make up your mind.
shawn ray more width than flex, better midsection, more proportionate, better lats, and no sythnol. but shawn not threat and flex is a threat. makes a lot of sense ::)
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again ND shoots him self in foot. obviously for whatever you do not like shawn ray. you said he was too narrow to compete with DY, but then you said flex was a legitimate threat but then you said in another thread that flex was super narrow. man make up your mind.
shawn ray more width than flex, better midsection, more proportionate, better lats, and no sythnol. but shawn not threat and flex is a threat. makes a lot of sense ::)
Welcome to NDs worlds where his opinion changes like the wind.
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see the thing it doesn't change he just back up it up with even more confusion.
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again ND shoots him self in foot. obviously for whatever you do not like shawn ray. you said he was too narrow to compete with DY, but then you said flex was a legitimate threat but then you said in another thread that flex was super narrow. man make up your mind.
shawn ray more width than flex, better midsection, more proportionate, better lats, and no sythnol. but shawn not threat and flex is a threat. makes a lot of sense ::)
ND has never really made sense. He just says what ever will discredit Ronnie and give a verbal suck job to Dorian when he didn't deserve it. It doesn't matter if it makes sense or not. This has been shown time and time again.
Sorry ND- but its time to admit your bias.
Flex could beat Dorian but Shawn could not - even in 1994?
Come on - BOTH Flex and shawn were fairly narrow, but their respective strengths are virtually the same:
-detail
-proportion
-abs, quads, arms,
BUT:
Shawn had real looking calves, had ripped hams, glutes and no oil.
Advantage: shawn.
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In NDs defence, one thing that separates ray from wheeler is the height factor. Apart from that, the rest of it is still bullshit
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So ...where is that pic of Dorian from ? ???
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ND has never really made sense. He just says what ever will discredit Ronnie and give a verbal suck job to Dorian when he didn't deserve it. It doesn't matter if it makes sense or not. This has been shown time and time again.
Sorry ND- but its time to admit your bias.
Flex could beat Dorian but Shawn could not - even in 1994?
Come on - BOTH Flex and shawn were fairly narrow, but their respective strengths are virtually the same:
-detail
-proportion
-abs, quads, arms,
BUT:
Shawn had real looking calves, had ripped hams, glutes and no oil.
Advantage: shawn.
Of course I wouldn't make sense to the senseless ;) and how is pointing out facts trying to discredit Ronnie? the guy has poor muscle balance & proportion , he has poor calves , he used to be a hell of a lot better and now he sucks , thats discredit?
I hate to be the one to tell you this it was NEVER going to happen for Shawn Ray , he was 200lbs the last 200lb or under Mr Olympia winner was Samir Bannout and he was replaced with a 240lb winner , Shawn Ray didn't have the size or width to beat Haney , or Yates , Flex was bigger had the lines and aesthetics and the amazing muscle roundness to beat Yates and I wished he would have , I tend to lean more towards aesthetic bodybuilders so you figured I would side with Shawn but it wasn't going to happen .
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You don't lean towards more aesthetic bodybuilders otherwise you'd favour peak ronnie over dorian anyday but you do all in your power to discredit and criticize the current champ, so much so that its like a broken record.
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You don't lean towards more aesthetic bodybuilders otherwise you'd favour peak ronnie over dorian anyday but you do all in your power to discredit and criticize the current champ, so much so that its like a broken record.
LMFAO at Ronnie being aesthetic !! that was funny , yes when I think of aesthetic bodybuilders I think of Frank Zane , Bob Paris , Flex Wheeler , Francis Benfatto , Lee Labrada and Ronnie Coleman NOT !! nice try , try again .
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Of course I wouldn't make sense to the senseless ;) and how is pointing out facts trying to discredit Ronnie? the guy has poor muscle balance & proportion , he has poor calves , he used to be a hell of a lot better and now he sucks , thats discredit?
I hate to be the one to tell you this it was NEVER going to happen for Shawn Ray , he was 200lbs the last 200lb or under Mr Olympia winner was Samir Bannout and he was replaced with a 240lb winner , Shawn Ray didn't have the size or width to beat Haney , or Yates , Flex was bigger had the lines and aesthetics and the amazing muscle roundness to beat Yates and I wished he would have , I tend to lean more towards aesthetic bodybuilders so you figured I would side with Shawn but it wasn't going to happen .
it shoudn't be a size game but even so shawn ray carriered enough muscle on his frame to compete. both flex and shawn were narrow yes, but shawn had developed lats and could actually do a lat spread and when he hits the rear double his lats don't disappear as with flex.
i really hate to say it flex compared amongest the greats of the 90's, i would have very low on the list. i even think ronnie of the 90's was better even at ronnie's beginings.
dorian was great and i am dorian fan, but after i watched the video and all the pictures i think it was clear that shawn was the better man at the 94 O.
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You don't lean towards more aesthetic bodybuilders otherwise you'd favour peak ronnie over dorian anyday but you do all in your power to discredit and criticize the current champ, so much so that its like a broken record.
agreed. a peak Ronnie was just as asthetic as bodybuilders who are "known" for aesthetics and proportion, like chris cormeir and Flex Wheeler:
(http://www.ifbb.com/contestresults/mrolympia/coleman/99coleman9.jpg)
but even when shown the proof such as this, ND STILL can't admit it...
and, note that ronnie at his peak (such as the pic shown above) was VASTLY more aesthetic than Dorian EVEN AT HIS PEAK in 93:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/diablo86/93%20olympia/dorian_yates_shawn_ray_flex_wheeler.jpg)
the proof is all here...
ronnie with the small waist and ripped quads was far more aesthetic than Dorian ever was.
But ND will not and refuses to give Ronnie this credit.
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Bodybuilding is a SUBJECTIVE sport
IT'S NOT A SPORT >:(!!
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agreed. a peak Ronnie was just as asthetic as bodybuilders who are "known" for aesthetics and proportion, like chris cormeir and Flex Wheeler:
but even when shown the proof such as this, ND STILL can't admit it...
and, note that ronnie at his peak (such as the pic shown above) was VASTLY more aesthetic than Dorian EVEN AT HIS PEAK in 93:
the proof is all here...
ronnie with the small waist and ripped quads was far more aesthetic than Dorian ever was.
But ND will not and refuses to give Ronnie this credit.
See this again shows how little you know , especially about aesthetics , Flex and Chris from an aesthetics standpoint are destroying Ronnie in that pic , you're just to dumb to know it , you think the only prerequiste is a wide back and a small waist? oh and flaring quads , then using your dumb logic Orville Burke is right up there in terms of aesthetics as Steve Reeves and Lee Labrada , Check out the 1991 Mr Olympia , Dorian's waist was small had a wide ass back , was he aesthetic ? hell no , there is a lot more to aesthetics than a small waist & a wide back , Hell most of the greatest aesthetic bodybuilders don't have an extremely wide back , its all got to do with balance & proportion , structure , lack of weaknesses , overall quality , the ability to look great from any angle and any pose , Ronnie Coleman was NEVER considered an aesthetic bodybuilder , he isn't in the same leauge as Bob Paris , or Chris Cormier , so keep spouting your same nonsense and do some homework before you make foolish claims.
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IT'S NOT A SPORT >:(!!
yes it is
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See this again shows how little you know , especially about aesthetics , Flex and Chris from an aesthetics standpoint are destroying Ronnie in that pic , you're just to dumb to know it , you think the only prerequiste is a wide back and a small waist? oh and flaring quads , then using your dumb logic Orville Burke is right up there in terms of aesthetics as Steve Reeves and Lee Labrada , Check out the 1991 Mr Olympia , Dorian's waist was small had a wide ass back , was he aesthetic ? hell no , there is a lot more to aesthetics than a small waist & a wide back , Hell most of the greatest aesthetic bodybuilders don't have an extremely wide back , its all got to do with balance & proportion , structure , lack of weaknesses , overall quality , the ability to look great from any angle and any pose , Ronnie Coleman was NEVER considered an aesthetic bodybuilder , he isn't in the same leauge as Bob Paris , or Chris Cormier , so keep spouting your same nonsense and do some homework before you make foolish claims.
I think you fail to understand one thing - in todays game, infact ever since dorian reared his ugly head there were no more "aesthetic bodybuilders" as you call them, which has in numerous threads before this proven to be nothing more than a synonym for "small" chico.
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I think you fail to understand one thing - in todays game, infact ever since dorian reared his ugly head there were no more "aesthetic bodybuilders" as you call them, which has in numerous threads before this proven to be nothing more than a synonym for "small" chico.
Melvin Anthony aesthetic and big 5'9" 240lbs , Chris Cormier 5'10" 260 lbs both big both aesthetic , and there are a lot of Pros competing today who have enough size and great aesthetics , they're just not winning contests , and genius just in case you missed it I was rooting for Flex back in 1993 NOT Yates ;)
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You are talkin shit. How can your criteria of aesthetic emcompass steve reeves, paris, labrada and .............. cormier? The physique of cormiers bears absolutly no resemblence to the former 3. Please enlighten us all.
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You are talkin shit. How can your criteria of aesthetic emcompass steve reeves, paris, labrada and .............. cormier? The physique of cormiers bears absolutly no resemblence to the former 3. Please enlighten us all.
Moron you think Reeves phsyique resembles Labaradas? or Bob Paris? of course not but they all fall under the aesthetic umbrella , while not a carbon copy of each other all are aesthetic none the less .
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Okay then genius - DEFINE AESHETIC! I can't wait to see what criteria falls under your "unbrella" :)
And please don't resort tochildish name callin - you'll lose the argument before its started.
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Seeing those pictures of Ronnie and Flex from the Olympia, still makes me wonder how the hell coleman won that first olympia vs flex.
Flex looked amazing!!!! Ronnie just looked like Ronnie, huge back, huge legs but not very aesthetically pleasing at all.
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I can't believe no one has posted that picture of paul dillet dwarfing shawn ray.
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(http://www.ifbb.com/contestresults/mrolympia/coleman/99coleman9.jpg)
alright ND: here you have it:
the bodybuilder on the left is aesthetic according to you.
The bodybuilder on the right is not.
using the pic, it should therefore be obvious why.
so, tell us why..
and, your examples of Orville are not accurate, since he had superhigh lats, damaging his symmetry.
Ronnie WAS called a combo of size, detail and symmetry when he won in 1998 and 99 by many people including magazine writers (eg. reveiw of 99 Olympia in muscle and fitness mag.)
It was ONLY when he got the gut and played the size game (and expanded his waist and thighs) that he ceased to become an aesthetic bodybuilder. See he was never considered "just" an aesthetic bodybuilder (like paris or labrada who were fairly small) he was considered an effective combo of all attributes.
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Okay then genius - DEFINE AESHETIC! I can't wait to see what criteria falls under your "unbrella" :)
And please don't resort tochildish name callin - you'll lose the argument before its started.
Basically aesthetics in bodybuilding equate to beauty , now even at his lightest and best Ronnie was never considered to have a beautiful phsyique , he as always been a package of outstand bodyparts that when he was very light never tied together at one point they did match up a lot better when he competed at around 245lbs and then he went back to square one and with the extreme route
Now seeing this sport if subjective and who defines what is beautiful and what isn't ? well there has to be a baseline , the baseline is , adequate size without compromising structure , a great structure with naturally wide shoulderblades and a small waist , great muscle balance & proportion , the absolute minimum ammout of weaknesses , full muscle bellies , the Greek ideal , a phsyique that basically has no outstanding bodyparts which in turn makes the whole pshyique outstanding , a phsyique that looks great from all angles , and almost all poses , 1/4 turns , kneeling twisting poses , 3/4 turn back shots , hands overhead shots , etc , not many bodybuilders can pull these shots off
Aesthetic bodybuilders have been compared to works of art , classic sculptures and Ronnie Coleman isn't Michelangelo's David , Ronnie is a freak plain & simple , when he was very light he had freaky bodyparts , when he won his first Olympia he was excellent a great combo of size , shape & conditioning , and now he has become the freakiest of them all , but he doesn't meet the criteria for an aesthetic bodybuilder and never has , when he was at 245lbs he was more aethetic than he is now but still no where near the forementioned names for reasons stated .
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Basically aesthetics in bodybuilding equate to beauty , now even at his lightest and best Ronnie was never considered to have a beautiful phsyique , he as always been a package of outstand bodyparts that when he was very light never tied together at one point they did match up a lot better when he competed at around 245lbs and then he went back to square one and with the extreme route
Now seeing this sport if subjective and who defines what is beautiful and what isn't ? well there has to be a baseline , the baseline is , adequate size without compromising structure , a great structure with naturally wide shoulderblades and a small waist , great muscle balance & proportion , the absolute minimum ammout of weaknesses , full muscle bellies , the Greek ideal , a phsyique that basically has no outstanding bodyparts which in turn makes the whole pshyique outstanding , a phsyique that looks great from all angles , and almost all poses , 1/4 turns , kneeling twisting poses , 3/4 turn back shots , hands overhead shots , etc , not many bodybuilders can pull these shots off
Aesthetic bodybuilders have been compared to works of art , classic sculptures and Ronnie Coleman isn't Michelangelo's David , Ronnie is a freak plain & simple , when he was very light he had freaky bodyparts , when he won his first Olympia he was excellent a great combo of size , shape & conditioning , and now he has become the freakiest of them all , but he doesn't meet the criteria for an aesthetic bodybuilder and never has , when he was at 245lbs he was more aethetic than he is now but still no where near the forementioned names for reasons stated .
aesthetically speaking i prefer heroic proportions as opposed to small
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Basically aesthetics in bodybuilding equate to beauty , now even at his lightest and best Ronnie was never considered to have a beautiful phsyique , he as always been a package of outstand bodyparts that when he was very light never tied together at one point they did match up a lot better when he competed at around 245lbs and then he went back to square one and with the extreme route
Now seeing this sport if subjective and who defines what is beautiful and what isn't ? well there has to be a baseline , the baseline is , adequate size without compromising structure , a great structure with naturally wide shoulderblades and a small waist , great muscle balance & proportion , the absolute minimum ammout of weaknesses , full muscle bellies , the Greek ideal , a phsyique that basically has no outstanding bodyparts which in turn makes the whole pshyique outstanding , a phsyique that looks great from all angles , and almost all poses , 1/4 turns , kneeling twisting poses , 3/4 turn back shots , hands overhead shots , etc , not many bodybuilders can pull these shots off
Aesthetic bodybuilders have been compared to works of art , classic sculptures and Ronnie Coleman isn't Michelangelo's David , Ronnie is a freak plain & simple , when he was very light he had freaky bodyparts , when he won his first Olympia he was excellent a great combo of size , shape & conditioning , and now he has become the freakiest of them all , but he doesn't meet the criteria for an aesthetic bodybuilder and never has , when he was at 245lbs he was more aethetic than he is now but still no where near the forementioned names for reasons stated .
Oh dear ND youve just shot yourself in the foot with that trash. You consider flex wheeler aesthetic but does he have wide shoulder blades - NOPE, was his structurally good, no youuve said it yourself, did he have great balance and proportion - hardly. Your greek ideal? of matching arms, necks and calves, your man flex could never achieve, he had the poorest neck in bodybuilding and his calves, well we all know about them.
I think you better go back to the drawing board and eliminate some of your hypocrisy. And before you say youve never considered flex wheeler an aesthetic bodybuilder, you have, in the past on numerous occassions.
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Oh dear ND youve just shot yourself in the foot with that trash. You consider flex wheeler aesthetic but does he have wide shoulder blades - NOPE, was his structurally good, no youuve said it yourself, did he have great balance and proportion - hardly. Your greek ideal? of matching arms, necks and calves, your man flex could never achieve, he had the poorest neck in bodybuilding and his calves, well we all know about them.
I think you better go back to the drawing board and eliminate some of your hypocrisy. And before you say youve never considered flex wheeler an aesthetic bodybuilder, you have, in the past on numerous occassions.
Shawn Ray didn't have a great structure , he was narrow and he didn't meet the Greek ideal however he is considered an aesthetic bodybuilder , with Flex his muscle roundness and shape is simply very pleasing aesthetically and look at him at the 93 ASC his balance was a lot better when he compted at a lighter weight , but in my opinion he and Shawn were not in the same aesthetic mold as Cormier & Paris but aesthetic none the less .
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Shawn Ray didn't have a great structure , he was narrow and he didn't meet the Greek ideal however he is considered an aesthetic bodybuilder , with Flex his muscle roundness and shape is simply very pleasing aesthetically and look at him at the 93 ASC his balance was a lot better when he compted at a lighter weight , but in my opinion he and Shawn were not in the same aesthetic mold as Cormier & Paris but aesthetic none the less .
perhaps you should revisit art history 101 particulary Janson's History of Art. because you really dont know what you're talking about. :)
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Shawn Ray didn't have a great structure , he was narrow and he didn't meet the Greek ideal however he is considered an aesthetic bodybuilder , with Flex his muscle roundness and shape is simply very pleasing aesthetically and look at him at the 93 ASC his balance was a lot better when he compted at a lighter weight , but in my opinion he and Shawn were not in the same aesthetic mold as Cormier & Paris but aesthetic none the less .
This really reads poorly. Shawn and flex are not in the same aesthetic mould as cormier and paris but still aesthetic? This makes no sense at all. I ve never, ever read or heard any thing that remotely approximates the garbage you typed in some vain attempt at answering my question. You now look to have 2 separate types of aeshetic now? Am i reading correctly here ND? Please clarify, i'm confused.
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This really reads poorly. Shawn and flex are not in the same aesthetic mould as cormier and paris but still aesthetic? This makes no sense at all. I ve never, ever read or heard any thing that remotely approximates the garbage you typed in some vain attempt at answering my question. You now look to have 2 separate types of aeshetic now? Am i reading correctly here ND? Please clarify, i'm confused.
It reads poorly to those with poor comprehension ;) you asked for me to define aesthetic and I said gave you a baseline which is Paris & Cormier , seeing NO phsyique is exactly the same its obvious that variations will exist , Mohammed Makawwy was an aesthetic bodybuilder yet his pshyique isn't the same as Bob Paris , so does that mean that he isn't aesthetic? of course not , they all fall under the aesthetic umbrella .
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perhaps you should revisit art history 101 particulary Janson's History of Art. because you really dont know what you're talking about. :)
Or read Burne Hogarth's "Dynamic Anatomy" As an accomplished artist it cracks me up listening to these guys babble about aesthetics and proportion.
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perhaps you should revisit art history 101 particulary Janson's History of Art. because you really dont know what you're talking about. :)
Oh and you do ::) please .
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It reads poorly to those with poor comprehension ;) you asked for me to define aesthetic and I said gave you a baseline which is Paris & Cormier , seeing NO phsyique is exactly the same its obvious that variations will exist , Mohammed Makawwy was an aesthetic bodybuilder yet his pshyique isn't the same as Bob Paris , so does that mean that he isn't aesthetic? of course not , they all fall under the aesthetic umbrella .
thanks mr superior writing ability ::)
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thanks mr superior writing ability ::)
Grasping at straws are we?
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Grasping at straws are we?
Its over ND. Once again you proved little other than a bias for certain bbers. Its clear from your statements that out of makkawy, paris, wheeler, cormier, ray and coleman only coleman doesnt pass your criteria for qualifying as aesethetic. The others do by virtue of your "adjustable" criteria, ie, one that you feel you can tailor to suit certain bbers to justify your opinion. Sad.
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I can't believe you people put up with ND's bullcrap . He brainwashes you with his opinions, and you start to believe the vomit that spews out of his mouth. ::)
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Its over ND. Once again you proved little other than a bias for certain bbers. Its clear from your statements that out of makkawy, paris, wheeler, cormier, ray and coleman only coleman doesnt pass your criteria for qualifying as aesethetic. The others do by virtue of your "adjustable" criteria, ie, one that you feel you can tailor to suit certain bbers to justify your opinion. Sad.
Wow I guess I should pack it in now seeing as its all over :'( get the hook !!
I would say out of the group you mentioned Bob Paris & Chris Cormier are both closer to perfection than all of them , and you can add in Lee Larbarda to boot , Ronnie Coleman used to me a lot more aesthetic than he is now but still in no way in the leauge of the forementioned , and whats funny is its only my opionion and it appears you're taking it way to seriously , either way Cormier is a lot closer to perfection that what Coleman is !!
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Grasping at straws are we?
fat chance old fart try grasping for the 290TD
sorry mr anal warts didnt mean any disrespect :D
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fat chance old fart try grasping for the 290TD
Old? lol how old do you think I am ?
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Old? lol how old do you think I am ?
oh lets see you're a pedofile so you must be atleast 40 :)
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oh lets see you're a pedofile so you must be atleast 40 :)
I figured seeing you're a fan of Opera you would be a little more educated than that ??? another educated idiot ?
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I figured seeing you're a fan of Opera you would be a little more educated than that ??? another educated idiot ?
lol yeah got into yale college and law school via legacy route. i aint too bright
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lol yeah got into yale college and law school via legacy route. i aint too bright
Bush is Yale alumni , enough said ;)
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Bush is Yale alumni , enough said ;)
:-X :)
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Shawn Ray didn't have a great structure , he was narrow and he didn't meet the Greek ideal however he is considered an aesthetic bodybuilder , with Flex his muscle roundness and shape is simply very pleasing aesthetically and look at him at the 93 ASC his balance was a lot better when he compted at a lighter weight , but in my opinion he and Shawn were not in the same aesthetic mold as Cormier & Paris but aesthetic none the less .
wow. ND you are grasping at so many straws trying to defend yourself that you are now contradicting yourself in the same paragraph.
This makes no sense: you are saying that paris and cormeir are in an all together different aesthetic class than Shawn and Flex, since Flex and shawn are narrow and "don't meet the greek ideal".
Well, I have some news for ya: Chris and Paris were narrow also and they didn't meet the greek ideal either!
the whole point of me posting that shot of Ronnie, Chris and Flex was to show that:
aesthetics is NOT bound by size.
Just because you are big (Ronnie) does NOT mean that you are not aesthetic.
However, note that, in comparing the shot that I posted to Dorian, you can certainly be big and not be aesthetic.
Note the following: in those shots that I posted, both Dorian and Ronnie BOTH weighed 257 pounds.
And yet look how much better put together Ronnie was than Dorian. Dorian looks like a blob. Ronnie has a wicked taper and cut guads.
(http://www.ifbb.com/contestresults/mrolympia/coleman/99coleman9.jpg)
here is a 257 pound bodybuilder that is still aesthetic even though he is big.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/diablo86/93%20olympia/dorian_yates_shawn_ray_flex_wheeler.jpg)
Here is a 257 pound bodybuilder who is not aesthetic because he is put together like a blob- a jellyfish has a better taper.
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wow. ND you are grasping at so many straws trying to defend yourself that you are now contradicting yourself in the same paragraph.
This makes no sense: you are saying that paris and cormeir are in an all together different aesthetic class than Shawn and Flex, since Flex and shawn are narrow and "don't meet the greek ideal".
Well, I have some news for ya: Chris and Paris were narrow also and they didn't meet the greek ideal either!
the whole point of me posting that shot of Ronnie, Chris and Flex was to show that:
aesthetics is NOT bound by size.
Just because you are big (Ronnie) does NOT mean that you are not aesthetic.
However, note that, in comparing the shot that I posted to Dorian, you can certainly be big and not be aesthetic.
Note the following: in those shots that I posted, both Dorian and Ronnie BOTH weighed 257 pounds.
And yet look how much better put together Ronnie was than Dorian. Dorian looks like a blob. Ronnie has a wicked taper and cut guads.
here is a 257 pound bodybuilder that is still aesthetic even though he is big.
Here is a 257 pound bodybuilder who is not aesthetic because he is put together like a blob- a jellyfish has a better taper.
Yup Cormier & Paris are both narrow and Shawn Ray has a better back double bicep shot than Yates ::) yup you know exactly what you're talking about ::) oh yeah and Ronnie had a small waist and wide lats , plus a flairing quads so that makes him aesthetic ::) , yup keeping talking .
No kidding aesthetics aren't deterimed by size thats why Paris weighed 230 lbs and Cormier weighes 260lbs and Labrada weighed 190lbs , and what seperates Chris & Paris from Ray & Wheeler is structure , same with Makkawy but all are aesthetic , I challange you to find me one quote from a magazine claiming Coleman is aesthetic , I have the Flex magazine coverage from his first win and no where does it mention Coleman being aesthetic as well as other articles about Ronnie and nowhere does it associate his name & aesthetics .
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wow. ND you are grasping at so many straws trying to defend yourself that you are now contradicting yourself in the same paragraph.
This makes no sense: you are saying that paris and cormeir are in an all together different aesthetic class than Shawn and Flex, since Flex and shawn are narrow and "don't meet the greek ideal".
Well, I have some news for ya: Chris and Paris were narrow also and they didn't meet the greek ideal either!
the whole point of me posting that shot of Ronnie, Chris and Flex was to show that:
aesthetics is NOT bound by size.
Just because you are big (Ronnie) does NOT mean that you are not aesthetic.
However, note that, in comparing the shot that I posted to Dorian, you can certainly be big and not be aesthetic.
Note the following: in those shots that I posted, both Dorian and Ronnie BOTH weighed 257 pounds.
And yet look how much better put together Ronnie was than Dorian. Dorian looks like a blob. Ronnie has a wicked taper and cut guads.
(http://www.ifbb.com/contestresults/mrolympia/coleman/99coleman9.jpg)
here is a 257 pound bodybuilder that is still aesthetic even though he is big.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/diablo86/93%20olympia/dorian_yates_shawn_ray_flex_wheeler.jpg)
Here is a 257 pound bodybuilder who is not aesthetic because he is put together like a blob- a jellyfish has a better taper.
The coup de grace. If we keep goin on like this ND will just end up contradicting himself even further making it all the more easy to run rings around him
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if you do a lexus-nexus search in EVERY physical philosophy publication you might find this claim and what would ND do if found incorrect ? um nothing. LOL i say let ND live in his little fantasy world where he's the sole arbitrator. i'm not that anal. no wonder he loves ancient roma ! :D
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Aesthetic & not aesthetic !!
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great compare ND :)
now, does benfatto wear a rug ?
and does wearing a wig color aestheticism?
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ND post a pic of cormier in that pose to prove your ever increasing invalid point
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aesthetic and not aesthetic!~:
(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=910&stc=1)
(http://digilander.libero.it/gruppociak/dy91.jpg)
Round 2:
(http://digilander.libero.it/mrolympia2/rc104.jpg)
(http://www.emusclemag.com/webimages/sandows/yates/1_lrg.jpg)
;D
to me, having a wicked taper and great muscle shape is a big part of being "aesthetic".
(http://www.ronniecoleman.net/bwcoleman23d6f496.jpg)
lets look at this pic for a minute: to me, ronnie's obliques and hint of a gut damage aesthetics in this shot. Which is fine: ronnie with a gut and obliques to me is not really that aesthetic - a tight midsection is paramount for aesthetics.
BUT: when we are talking about Ronnie at his peak:
(http://www.bigroncoleman.com/media/1999_03LG.jpg)
he had no gut and no bulging obliques. Again, I don't see how Chris, who is standing right beside Ronnie, is so much more aesthetic.
If anything, Ronnie MORE aesthetically pleasing than Chris because of his superior taper.
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thanks for turning this into a gross out
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Hulkster you're such a loser lol you couldn't help turn this into yet another " Ronnie VS Dorian " thread , and who the f**k said Yates was aesthetic? I certainly never did and how ironic you pose the worse pics of Yates to validate your lame opinion lol Yates in 94 totaly relaxed Ronnie posing , if thats your proof you need to work on it , I'm going to pull a Hulkster .
Aesthetic and not aesthetic !!
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Aesthetic and not aesthetic !!
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Aesthetic and not aesthetic .
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An aesthetic masterpeice and an aesthetic abortion . ;)
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you guys are so quick to think that I am turning this into yet another Ronnie versus Dorian thread.
that is completely untrue. That would be pointless since Dorian has lost every one of them.
I posted pics of Ronnie and Dorian simply to show that not all big bodybuilders are unaesthetic. Some are in fact aesthetic despite their size.
The "big = unaesthetic" is a bullshit myth that needs to be refuted whenever it rears its ugly head.
And what better way to show this than with Ronnie pics (versus a stereotypical big ugly unaesthetic bodybuilder like dorian).
I could have just as easily used pics of Markus Rhul, but what fun would that be? ;D
ps - Hey ND- try using pics of Ronnie at his peak next time, not bloated gut pics, and you will be quite surprised how aesthetic ronnie used to be:
(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/1999britishgrandprix/32.jpg)
(http://www.bigroncoleman.com/media/Arnold.06_LG.jpg)
(http://digilander.libero.it/mikementzer/Coleman18.jpg)
(http://digilander.libero.it/mikementzer/Coleman20.jpg)
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you guys are so quick to think that I am turning this into yet another Ronnie versus Dorian thread.
that is completely untrue. That would be pointless since Dorian has lost every one of them.
I posted pics of Ronnie and Dorian simply to show that not all big bodybuilders are unaesthetic. Some are in fact aesthetic despite their size.
The "big = unaesthetic" is a bullshit myth that needs to be refuted whenever it rears its ugly head.
And what better way to show this than with Ronnie pics (versus a stereotypical big ugly unaesthetic bodybuilder like dorian).
I could have just as easily used pics of Markus Rhul, but what fun would that be? ;D
ps - Hey ND- try using pics of Ronnie at his peak next time, not bloated gut pics, and you will be quite surprised how aesthetic ronnie used to be:
Hulkster whats ironic is every pic I used was from a contest lol and I've already said you don't have to be small to be aesthetic case ien point , Haney , Paris , Cormier who all own Coleman , and whats also ironic is I said Ronnie used to be a lot more aesthetic than he is now , HOWEVER he still isn't in the leauge of Bob Paris , Chris Cormier , Lee Labrada , Steve Reeves , Francis Benfatto , Frank Zane , I'm sorry sport how matter now small Ronnie's waist is and how wide is back is , he isn't even close to any of the forementioned . ;)
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Way a go ND.. Ronnie got owned
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samir wore a rug too ND
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samir wore a rug too ND
Maybe Ronnie should try that ;D
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Way a go ND.. Ronnie got owned
of course he did. All of those shots were post-gut shots. Try putting a pre-gut Ronnie next to Bob Paris or Samir and you might be surprised at how well the pre-gut Ronnie can hold his own..
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/bannout/sb103.jpg)
(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/1999britishgrandprix/41.jpg)
(http://www.classicbodybuilders.com/bodybuilder/samirbannout/samirbannout5.jpg)
(http://www.thebiguniverse.com/coleman/covernpc-0002.jpg)
big guys can still be aesthetic and pleasing to the eye....
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This thread has quickly turned to a ronnie bash at the hands of one particularly bitter bber fan who skims around the issues and avoids confronting questions when he knows he's stumped. ND's variable criteria for the aesthetic is probably the biggets dose of hypocrisy i've seen for a while from this board.
I'll never forget the term "aesthetic umbrella" which is a term in which you can extend to encompass bbers you like and exclude the ones you don't like.
Sad.
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Aesthetic and not aesthetic .
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This thread has quickly turned to a ronnie bash at the hands of one particularly bitter bber fan who skims around the issues and avoids confronting questions when he knows he's stumped. ND's variable criteria for the aesthetic is probably the biggets dose of hypocrisy i've seen for a while from this board.
I'll never forget the term "aesthetic umbrella" which is a term in which you can extend to encompass bbers you like and exclude the ones you don't like.
Sad.
Oh boo-hoo saying Ronnie isn't aesthetic is " bashing " him , someone is hypersensitive :'(
I gace you a list of people who I consider aesthetic if you disagree with that list okay at least counter with why you don't think they are , and why you think Ronnie is , get in the game and stop crying .
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Acording to your criteria, arnold would need naturally wide shoulders and a narrow waist to be considered aesthetic which he doesnt. You also mentioned the minimum amount of weakness:
- lack of quad flair and size
- lack of hamstrings
- arm imbalance due to overly large biceps
- low chest that dominates his physique and makes him appear narrow overpowering his delts
- naturally wide waist
dear o dear
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Oh boo-hoo saying Ronnie isn't aesthetic is " bashing " him , someone is hypersensitive :'(
I gace you a list of people who I consider aesthetic if you disagree with that list okay at least counter with why you don't think they are , and why you think Ronnie is , get in the game and stop crying .
^You just love drama, don't you, ND?
You antagonize your opponents as much as they do you.
You claim to be a NAS fan, right? That sounds about right..... ;D
Alot of talk........ain't sayin' nothin'.
When will you learn? Arguing over subjective criteria like "aesthetics" is pointless.
DIV
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Oh boo-hoo saying Ronnie isn't aesthetic is " bashing " him , someone is hypersensitive :'(
I gace you a list of people who I consider aesthetic if you disagree with that list okay at least counter with why you don't think they are , and why you think Ronnie is , get in the game and stop crying .
Clutching at straws. Remind me ND as to why your arguing with a bunch of "kids" and losing
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Aesthetic and not aesthetic .
aesthetics are opinion based, moron.
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aesthetics are opinion based, moron.
and according to ND, the only valid opinion is his.
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Oaky some of you don't agree with my opinion , but am I wrong? I don't think so , I stand by my statements , I don't think Ronnie was an aesthetic bodybuilder even when he was lighter and in his current state you have to be on crack to think he has an aesthetic phsyique , I feel he was more aesthetic lighter than he is now , but I don't think when one thinks of an aesthetic bodybuilder , Ronnie Coleman jumps to mind , and again in term of aesthetics even at his best Ronnie is in no way shape or form comparable to Lee Labarada , Bob Paris , Steve Reeves , and Chris Cormier .
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Being aesthetic or not is something that often cannot be simply described by certain criteria....it's just a look. Ronnie Coleman was never aesthetic. His mutant abs ruined everything
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ND's variable criteria for the aesthetic is probably the biggets dose of hypocrisy i've seen for a while from this board.
what totally amazes me is this:
It doesn't matter what debate we are having, whether its bodybuilder X versus ronnie, a particular bodypart of someone verus one of Ronnie's, whether or not Ronnie (was) aesthetic or not etc etc. ND will not acknowledge that Ronnie might have an edge in anything over anyone else.
ND has argued against Ronnie time and time again- (no matter what it is - even crazy, bizarre, unbelievable-you-are-smoking-crack-and-are-fucking-crazy-arguments like "Dorian has better overall arms")
And yet he still maintains he is not biased. ::)
Dorian has better overall arms?
Arnold had better quads?
Adjusting criteria to include some bodybuilders but excluding ronnie, even though many of their attributes are the same
gimme a break.
By the time ND finally admits his bias, I will probably have 10,000 posts!
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Acording to your criteria, arnold would need naturally wide shoulders and a narrow waist to be considered aesthetic which he doesnt. You also mentioned the minimum amount of weakness:
- lack of quad flair and size
- lack of hamstrings
- arm imbalance due to overly large biceps
- low chest that dominates his physique and makes him appear narrow overpowering his delts
- naturally wide waist
dear o dear
bingo.
This is my take:
To my eye, taper carries a whole lot of weight with aesthetics. Wide shoulders, narrow waist, not-to-high but sweeping lats, no bulging obliques, good quad sweep.
That is a big reason why to my eye the pre-gut Ronnie was highly aesthetic.
Part of the reason that he does not look that great in certain poses is that he does NOT know how to pose properly (eg. Ronnie has never done a twisting front double biceps shot, but if he had he would have looked amazing)..
But the fantastic taper and lines used to be there.
They got obliterated by excess mass and the gh gut, but he used to look fantastic:
(http://www.bigroncoleman.com/media/Arnold.06_LG.jpg)
how can ya not say that he looked amazing, even from an aesthetics standpoint?
This is what he turned into:
(http://www.bigroncoleman.com/media/GrandPrix2/GP08B.jpg)
doesn't even look like the same guy, does it??
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Aesthetic
Big Man
created by Gaston Lachais in 1938
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what totally amazes me is this:
It doesn't matter what debate we are having, whether its bodybuilder X versus ronnie, a particular bodypart of someone verus one of Ronnie's, whether or not Ronnie (was) aesthetic or not etc etc. ND will not acknowledge that Ronnie might have an edge in anything over anyone else.
ND has argued against Ronnie time and time again- (no matter what it is - even crazy, bizarre, unbelievable-you-are-smoking-crack-and-are-fucking-crazy-arguments like "Dorian has better overall arms")
And yet he still maintains he is not biased. ::)
Dorian has better overall arms?
Arnold had better quads?
Adjusting criteria to include some bodybuilders but excluding ronnie, even though many of their attributes are the same
gimme a break.
By the time ND finally admits his bias, I will probably have 10,000 posts!
Me bias lol You think Coleman t his peak is everything , flawless , aesthetic , the best bodyparts , the best symmetry , the best proportions , looks the best in every single pose , lol you have nerve calling people bias , and now Ronnie is highly aesthetic , you're full of hot air !! you keep posting a pic of Coleman standing there relaxed with his lats flaired as proof he is aesthetic , its not , again you think thats the only criteria , he can barley do the mandatories , nevermind aesthetic kneeling shots and twisting shots , keep making excuses why he didn't do these poses , I'll give you a few reasons why he isn't aesthetic , his lack of body harmony and his gigantic ass that sicks out , you think thats aesthetic? how about his oddly shapped muscles ?the focal point of a great midsection besides being small is being fully developed , where are Ronnies abs , intercostles , serattus ? thats right he is highly aesthetic ::) and I like how you add in what your criteria for aesthetics is not-to-high lats lol because lets face it Orville Burke and Ronnie are a lot alike , yet no one is calling Orville aesthetic , even though he has a wide ass back , a tiny waist & tons of quadsweep for you to say Ronnie is aesthetic & Orville isn't shows your lack of knowlege and your undying bias for Ronnie , either way you don't know what you're talking about .
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Me bias lol You think Coleman t his peak is everything , flawless , aesthetic , the best bodyparts , the best symmetry , the best proportions , looks the best in every single pose , lol you have nerve calling people bias , and now Ronnie is highly aesthetic , you're full of hot air !! you keep posting a pic of Coleman standing there relaxed with his lats flaired as proof he is aesthetic , its not , again you think thats the only criteria , he can barley do the mandatories , nevermind aesthetic kneeling shots and twisting shots , keep making excuses why he didn't do these poses , I'll give you a few reasons why he isn't aesthetic , his lack of body harmony and his gigantic ass that sicks out , you think thats aesthetic? how about his oddly shapped muscles ?the focal point of a great midsection besides being small is being fully developed , where are Ronnies abs , intercostles , serattus ? thats right he is highly aesthetic ::) and I like how you add in what your criteria for aesthetics is not-to-high lats lol because lets face it Orville Burke and Ronnie are a lot alike , yet no one is calling Orville aesthetic , even though he has a wide ass back , a tiny waist & tons of quadsweep for you to say Ronnie is aesthetic & Orville isn't shows your lack of knowlege and your undying bias for Ronnie , either way you don't know what you're talking about .
^Even Nas was never this vindictive......even after Pac dissed him on wax. ;D
Hail Mary.
DIV
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Me bias lol You think Coleman t his peak is everything , flawless , aesthetic , the best bodyparts , the best symmetry , the best proportions , looks the best in every single pose , lol you have nerve calling people bias , and now Ronnie is highly aesthetic , you're full of hot air !! you keep posting a pic of Coleman standing there relaxed with his lats flaired as proof he is aesthetic , its not , again you think thats the only criteria , he can barley do the mandatories , nevermind aesthetic kneeling shots and twisting shots , keep making excuses why he didn't do these poses , I'll give you a few reasons why he isn't aesthetic , his lack of body harmony and his gigantic ass that sicks out , you think thats aesthetic? how about his oddly shapped muscles ?the focal point of a great midsection besides being small is being fully developed , where are Ronnies abs , intercostles , serattus ? thats right he is highly aesthetic ::) and I like how you add in what your criteria for aesthetics is not-to-high lats lol because lets face it Orville Burke and Ronnie are a lot alike , yet no one is calling Orville aesthetic , even though he has a wide ass back , a tiny waist & tons of quadsweep for you to say Ronnie is aesthetic & Orville isn't shows your lack of knowlege and your undying bias for Ronnie , either way you don't know what you're talking about .
That Hulkster is bias is all too obvious you idiot. Tell us something we don't know.Hulkster makes no secret of it and even makes humour out of. The issue is you blatant bias and hypocrisy.
The bottom line:
pre gut, pre monster even pre olympia ronnie was aesthetic
present day ronnie not aesthetic
Get with the visual.
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I am not biased. I hate everyone who faces Ronnie equally.
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I am not biased. I hate everyone who faces Ronnie equally.
You must have really been heated when Ronnie first faced GH + Insulin........that's a battle he lost badly. :(
His stomach still hasn't recovered.
Bare witness to this.
DIV
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where are Ronnies abs , intercostles , serattus ? thats right he is highly aesthetic
(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/1999britishgrandprix/9.jpg)
the pre-gut Ronnie flexing his intercostals - can you see this shot ND?
Here are a few aesthetic type/twisting/gay shots and..
(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/1999britishgrandprix/41.jpg)
(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/1999britishgrandprix/32.jpg)
(http://www.beyondrelief.com/images/colemanback.jpg)
and of course the pre-gut Ronnie looks great..
Here is an interesting test:
I think we can all agree that Shawn Ray is highly aesthetic. Lets take his amazing arms foward most muscular and compare it to Ronnie's.
After all, if Ronnie is indeed an unaesthetic blob like ND claims, it should be pretty damn obvious now, shouldn't it when we compare to Shawns??
Here goes:
(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=910&stc=1)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=49784.0;id=51188;image)
hmm. Ronnie loses this one, but does he look like an unaesthetic blob?
ND, you need to open your eyes man..the pre-gut Ronnie had great "lines" as your fellow ironagers like to say.
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Hulkster according to your criteria all you need to be aesthetic is a wide back a tiny waist and flaring quads well here it is , but you say hes not aesthetic and Coleman is just by virture of slightly higher lats? its you who is contradicting yourself , I would say neither are aesthetic , both have very simlar phsyiques with the exception of lat height , small calves , giant quads , small waists , wide backs , massive arms , poor balance , just because you can find shots of him doing aesthetic shots doesn't mean they're working for him look at the simlar shots I posted and everyone is schooling Ronnie , in my opinion , Ronnie used to be more aesthetic than he is now but again when one thinks od an aesthetic bodybuilder Ronnie Coleman is NOT on the top of the list .
Oh and the pic of Ronnie you showed doing the ab-thigh vs Flex , notice how Flexes stomach is totaly flat and Ronnie's is sticking out , there is nothing aesthetic about that , Oh I can already hear your response " He isn't fully flexing yet " lol nothing aesthetic about a giant ass you can see in front poses , he looks amazing as far as size , shape & conditioning are concerned but from an aesthetic standpoint its not working !!
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Hulkster according to your criteria all you need to be aesthetic is a wide back a tiny waist and flaring quads well here it is , but you say hes not aesthetic and Coleman is just by virture of slightly higher lats? its you who is contradicting yourself , I would say neither are aesthetic , both have very simlar phsyiques with the exception of lat height , small calves , giant quads , small waists , wide backs , massive arms , poor balance , just because you can find shots of him doing aesthetic shots doesn't mean they're working for him look at the simlar shots I posted and everyone is schooling Ronnie , in my opinion , Ronnie used to be more aesthetic than he is now but again when one thinks od an aesthetic bodybuilder Ronnie Coleman is NOT on the top of the list .
Oh and the pic of Ronnie you showed doing the ab-thigh vs Flex , notice how Flexes stomach is totaly flat and Ronnie's is sticking out , there is nothing aesthetic about that , Oh I can already hear your response " He isn't fully flexing yet " lol nothing aesthetic about a giant ass you can see in front poses , he looks amazing as far as size , shape & conditioning are concerned but from an aesthetic standpoint its not working !!
no read what I said more carefully:
yes, I believe that taper carries a whole lot of weight. And for you to suggest that the man with the HIGHEST lats in bodybuilding history has a similar taper to Ronnie Coleman just backs up my argument that you will say anything about Ronnie as long as it degrogatory in some way.
Yes, taper plays a huge role, but so do muscle shape and balance. Notice how Orville's pecs are totally dwarfed by his lats and quads? Not aesthetic. Notice the difference:
(http://www.mostmuscular.com/newmuscle.cx/olympia/coleman2.jpg)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=52786.0;attach=59301;image)
notice the difference in deltoid shape, quad shape, etc etc.
There is a whole lot more to aesthetics than taper..
ND, even though you are as blind as a bat, you should be able to see this..
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Look at orvilles ass - you can see it from the front too, ao obviously he has a simialr physique to ronnie ;D
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I don't think I have ever seen one pic of Ronnie from the front that somehow showed his ass.
I think ND has been fantasizing a bit much 8)
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You can see it i that black and white clasped hands most muscular but we'll ignore like ND would if it was a bber he liked. ;D
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You can see it i that black and white clasped hands most muscular but we'll ignore like ND would if it was a bber he liked. ;D
well, that is a side effect of having a super tiny waist!
If he had a wide waist, like Arnold or Dorian, that would never happen..
that oughta make ND's ironage blood boil! :-*
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Dorian? Wide waist. Say it aint so. I thought he looked great in 94', with only a slight sign of distension, unoticeble unless someone actually pointed it out to you, over.... and over again. I heard he had a stomach infection which caused it.
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Dorian? Wide waist. Say it aint so. I thought he looked great in 94', with only a slight sign of distension, unoticeble unless someone actually pointed it out to you, over.... and over again. I heard he had a stomach infection which caused it.
in 94, dorian had better overall arms than Ronnie ;)
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all this ronnie ronnie shit killed this thread
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all this ronnie ronnie shit killed this thread
no, it turned into an interesting discussion on aesthetics and what it means to each person.
threads evolve. Such is life on getbig :)
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Where is Yates wide waist? like Ronnie his used to be small but towards the end it was garbage just like Coleman !! ;)
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monster triceps.
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no, it turned into an interesting discussion on aesthetics and what it means to each person.
threads evolve. Such is life on getbig :)
Aesthetics means a collection of impressive parts , a gigantic ass , poor muscle balance & proportion and a medicore structure !!
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Yes the Greek Ideal applies to this bodybuilder , he looks like a work of Art that should be shown in the Louvre .
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Where is Yates wide waist? like Ronnie his used to be small but towards the end it was garbage just like Coleman !! ;)
ummm. you truly are blind as a bat. Here is Yates' wide waist at is what is widely believed to be his BEST ever shape, at the 1993 Mr. Olympia:
(http://forum.bodybuildingpro.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=1658&stc=1)
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and LOL! why do you keep posting that pic of Yates when he was like 215 pounds and say "he has a small waist" lol - he probably couldn't even drive back then.. 8)
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Yes the Greek Ideal applies to this bodybuilder , he looks like a work of Art that should be shown in the Louvre .
posting pics of Ronnie when he was probably too young to drive doesn't count either! ;)
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ummm. you truly are blind as a bat. Here is Yates' wide waist at is what is widely believed to be his BEST ever shape, at the 1993 Mr. Olympia:
(http://forum.bodybuildingpro.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=1658&stc=1)
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and LOL! why do you keep posting that pic of Yates when he was like 215 pounds and say "he has a small waist" lol - he probably couldn't even drive back then.. 8)
1993 Whats your point ? ;) and isn't it you who always advocated a distended gut didn't matter when the show is over? lol
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2001 ASC whats considered his all time best !! ;)
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ummm. you truly are blind as a bat. Here is Yates' wide waist at is what is widely believed to be his BEST ever shape, at the 1993 Mr. Olympia:
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and LOL! why do you keep posting that pic of Yates when he was like 215 pounds and say "he has a small waist" lol - he probably couldn't even drive back then.. 8)
Yates was 228lbs in that pic !! NOC win !! ;)
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Yates was 228lbs in that pic !! NOC win !! ;)
uh. no.
That pic was taken in 1990 when he lost to Momo at the NOC.
Yates was much more massive in 1991 when he won the NOC and then placed second to Haney at the O.
You under estimate my power 8)
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uh. no.
That pic was taken in 1990 when he lost to Momo at the NOC.
Yates was much more massive in 1991 when he won the NOC and then placed second to Haney at the O.
You under estimate my power 8)
Wrong thats from the 1991 NOC I scanned that from the magazine , he was 228lbs hard as nails !! here is a pic of Yates 242lbs at the 92 Olympia no waist what so ever !!
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Wrong thats from the 1991 NOC I scanned that from the magazine , he was 228lbs hard as nails !! here is a pic of Yates 242lbs at the 92 Olympia no waist what so ever !!
1991 or 1992 it doesnt matter, yates looks like absolute cack in those photos from both years. His chest is pathetic at a lower bodyweight, add stick arms and youve got an ugly ass physique.
Young coleman - wasp waist.
Young yates - blocky waist.
ND, chico, stop posting pics of yates, its boring. Check the title of this thread, yates and aesthetics shouldnt be mentioned in the same breath
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1991 or 1992 it doesnt matter, yates looks like absolute cack in those photos from both years. His chest is pathetic at a lower bodyweight, add stick arms and youve got an ugly ass physique.
Young coleman - wasp waist.
Young yates - blocky waist.
ND, chico, stop posting pics of yates, its boring. Check the title of this thread, yates and aesthetics shouldnt be mentioned in the same breath
Moron , no one is saying Yates was aesthetic and for you to say his waist was " blocky " shows just how stupid you are , most likely a product of inbreeding , don't dispair , its not your fault !!
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Wrong thats from the 1991 NOC I scanned that from the magazine , he was 228lbs hard as nails !! here is a pic of Yates 242lbs at the 92 Olympia no waist what so ever !!
the mag may have used the pic, but it is NOT from the 1991 NOC. Yates hair was longer in 1991.
and he had LATS in 1991!:
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=52786.0;attach=59323;image)
compare to the NOC 1991:
(http://www.fitnesspont.hu/mass-shop/picture_gallery/Night_of_Champions/1991/NOC_1991_001.jpg)
(http://www.fitnesspont.hu/mass-shop/picture_gallery/Night_of_Champions/1991/NOC_1991_002.jpg)
the hair gives it away. and notice Yates stomach "sticking out" in the serratus pose in the bottom right of the second pic! Funny how critical of Ronnie ND was about this, but he'll probably ignore the same flaw in dorian!
mags use old pictures all the time - hell Flex has built an entire magazine doing that!
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LOL. once again, ya know ND is getting desperate when he starts breaking out sillouette pics! pathetic, really..
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LOL. once again, ya know ND is getting desperate when he starts breaking out sillouette pics! pathetic, really..
In that sillouette pic find me a wide waist and BTW thats 1993 !!
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the mag may have used the pic, but it is NOT from the 1991 NOC. Yates hair was longer in 1991.
and he had LATS in 1991!:
compare to the NOC 1991:
the hair gives it away. and notice Yates stomach "sticking out" in the serratus pose in the bottom right of the second pic! Funny how critical of Ronnie ND was about this, but he'll probably ignore the same flaw in dorian!
mags use old pictures all the time - hell Flex has built an entire magazine doing that!
You're right about that pic , but it was tagged as a 91 NOC either way he was 228lbs in that pic .
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Moron , no one is saying Yates was aesthetic and for you to say his waist was " blocky " shows just how stupid you are , most likely a product of inbreeding , don't dispair , its not your fault !!
alright, now, I can't stop laughing!:
someone who has argued that Yates "has better overall arms than Ronnie Coleman" has the audacity to call someone stupid for saying that Yates had a blocky waist!
BWHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHA AHAHAHA!!!!
this just gets funnier and funnier as ND gets owned more and more!
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Hah! How pathetic ND, you truly are the MORON. Anyone can hide a wide waist in the front lat spread simply by pressing his hands into his hips. You loser.
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You're right about that pic , but it was tagged as a 91 NOC either way he was 228lbs in that pic .
I am always right. You should know that by now :-*
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Hah! How pathetic ND, you truly are the MORON. Anyone can hide a wide waist in the front lat spread simply by pressing his hands into his hips. You loser.
How about the ab-thigh ? moron ? ;)
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Face it ND: At a bodyweight of 257 pounds, Yates (1993) had a wide waist.
Ronnie at 257 pounds (1999 Olympia) did not.
That is part of why Ronnie can be described as "aesthetic" and Yates cannot.
Deal with it - your "last great Mr Olympia" had the taper of a jellyfish.
And jellyfish are not aesthetic 8)
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At 228 who doesnt have a small waist. But check his waist by 242lbs, already displaying the ugly signs of what was soon to come. And ND, i never accused you of claiming dorian was aesthetic, (although its believable you'd actually talk that shit, just like how his arms are better than ronnies) but rather not to go posting pics of that dumptruck in a thread devoted to aesthetics. Come on, have some sense man
edit: hulkster beat me to my next point.
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alright, now, I can't stop laughing!:
someone who has argued that Yates "has better overall arms than Ronnie Coleman" has the audacity to call someone stupid for saying that Yates had a blocky waist!
BWHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHA AHAHAHA!!!!
this just gets funnier and funnier as ND gets owned more and more!
In those pics you have to be on crack to think Yates has a blocky waist , seriously , his waist is tiny & his obliques are nonexistant , and if you felt your opinion was right you wouldn't go through such elaboarte lenghts to defend it ;) especially when you have to insert Ronnie in ANY thread that comes up , alas what are you going to do , thats what these board are for ???
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Face it ND: At a bodyweight of 257 pounds, Yates (1993) had a wide waist.
Ronnie at 257 pounds (1999 Olympia) did not.
That is part of why Ronnie can be described as "aesthetic" and Yates cannot.
Deal with it - your "last great Mr Olympia" had the taper of a jellyfish.
And jellyfish are not aesthetic 8)
Hulkster he had a distended gut at the 2001 ASC at 245lbs , he had a massive GUT at the 2001 Olympia at the same weight , bad analogy , neither could hold a candle to Bob Paris !
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At 228 who doesnt have a small waist. But check his waist by 242lbs, already displaying the ugly signs of what was soon to come. And ND, i never accused you of claiming dorian was aesthetic, (although its believable you'd actually talk that shit, just like how his arms are better than ronnies) but rather not to go posting pics of that dumptruck in a thread devoted to aesthetics. Come on, have some sense man
edit: hulkster beat me to my next point.
Lets see Yates has better triceps and forearms but medicore biceps , Ronnie has fantastic biceps , mediocre triceps and bowling pin forearms , I would say overall Yates has better arms lol
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In those pics you have to be on crack to think Yates has a blocky waist , seriously , his waist is tiny & his obliques are nonexistant , and if you felt your opinion was right you wouldn't go through such elaboarte lenghts to defend it ;) especially when you have to insert Ronnie in ANY thread that comes up , alas what are you going to do , thats what these board are for ???
this coming from someone who will put down Ronnie's physique at the mere mention of his name no matter what thread!
these are the facts:
1. The majority of people feel that Ronnie WAS aesthetic back in his heyday.
2. Dorian had a wide waist and was not considered aesthetic by most people even in his prime.
3. ND is on crack again.
There you have the facts.
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Lets see Yates has better triceps and forearms but medicore biceps , Ronnie has fantastic biceps , mediocre triceps and bowling pin forearms , I would say overall Yates has better arms lol
do you LIKE looking like a complete fool on the internet? 8)
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this coming from someone who will put down Ronnie's physique at the mere mention of his name no matter what thread!
these are the facts:
1. The majority of people feel that Ronnie WAS aesthetic back in his heyday.
2. Dorian had a wide waist and was not considered aesthetic by most people even in his prime.
3. ND is on crack again.
There you have the facts.
His hey-day is this aesthetic I ask you ? lol thank you , have a nice day !! ;)
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do you LIKE looking like a complete fool on the internet? 8)
How does one look like a fool on the internet ? and seeing your opinions worth is based on how many people agree with you , and a constant need to defend your Hero does that make you look like any less a fool? the last thing one can do is take this seriously !!
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Big daddy loves his triceps
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Ronnie says "had nd been smokin da crack again?"
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An oldies but what the hell. Find triceps on yates at this bodyweight
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Aint Nuttin But A Peanut !!
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An oldies but what the hell. Find triceps on yates at this bodyweight
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All to easy !!
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the hard part is finding biceps on Yates at any bodyweight! :D
ps- I don't take this seriously even though I jack off to Ronnie everynight I enjoy crushing Ronnie's detractors in these debates.
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Theyre worse. And i asked for the same bodyweight chico, whats yates there is easily 250 + in a pose dedicated to triceps. Perhaps the earlier pic of yates at 228lbs and a "tight" waist is more appropriate.
All TOO easy
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Theyre worse. And i asked for the same bodyweight chico, whats yates there is easily 250 + in a pose dedicated to triceps. Perhaps the earlier pic of yates at 228lbs and a "tight" waist is more appropriate.
All TOO easy
You think Coleman is 220lbs in that pic? not quite , hes probably 240lbs in that pic look at the pic I posted of Ronnie doing the mostmuscular he is 220lbs in that pic , and you want a pic of Yates' triceps at 228lbs , here you go !! ;)
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What I want to say is ND and Hulkster, shut the fuck up but that's not very nice so I guess what I'll say is stop it!!! Not every fricken thread has to turn into a Ronnie VS. Dorian thread with the same arguements being made time and time again....
How about we get a seperate board:
ronnie vs. Dorian...or...Hulkster vs. ND????
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How bout this, your ALL a bunch of doochebags? ;D
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How bout this, your ALL a bunch of doochebags? ;D
To spell "douchebag" incorrectly speaks volumes about the douchebagginess of yourself.
HTH.
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Yeah whatever Keyboard Cowboy, do you know what the inside of a gym looks like?? ;D
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Yeah whatever Keyboard Cowboy, do you know what the inside of a gym looks like?? ;D
I know what the inside of your mother looks like.
It's like driving my bicycle into an airplane hanger.
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You think Coleman is 220lbs in that pic? not quite , hes probably 240lbs in that pic look at the pic I posted of Ronnie doing the mostmuscular he is 220lbs in that pic , and you want a pic of Yates' triceps at 228lbs , here you go !! ;)
Since you place such an emphasis on aesthetics surely you can see that while marvellously delineated that tri is, its shape is disgusting. HORSESHOE is the name of the tricep game and ronnie takes the prize in this instance.
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What I want to say is ND and Hulkster, shut the f**k up but that's not very nice so I guess what I'll say is stop it!!! Not every fricken thread has to turn into a Ronnie VS. Dorian thread with the same arguements being made time and time again....
How about we get a seperate board:
ronnie vs. Dorian...or...Hulkster vs. ND????
Hulkster is 100% guilty of turning every thread into a Ronnie VS Yates , Arnold , Flex , Levrone , Dillet , Cutler , Haney , Sergio , etc , he is like a drug addict he is Uber-fan , he thinks Ronnie ( pre-gut lol ) is the most aesthetic , most muscular , best back , arms , quads , glutes , hams , delts , chest , most perfect bodybuilder who was ever lived , perfect example I posted a picture of Jean Pierre Fux doing a back double bicep shot and commented that he had a pretty amazing back and Mr thread highjacker littered the thread with Ronnie pics , another example in this thread someone stated Nasser should have beat Yates and I said why and sure enough he got to the point of Hulkster posting a pic of Ronnie & Yates , either way , he has this uncontrolable need to defend Coleman .
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Since you place such an emphasis on aesthetics surely you can see that while marvellously delineated that tri is, its shape is disgusting. HORSESHOE is the name of the tricep game and ronnie takes the prize in this instance.
Sorry bro Ronnie has oddly shapped triceps , no escaping that !!and where is the aesthetics?
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He defends ronnie no more than you attack him, once again your hypocrisy is all too transparent
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Odd? I see perfect shaped horseshoes
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He defends ronnie no more than you attack him, once again your hypocrisy is all too transparent
Nonsense he attacks Yates as much as I attack Ronnie yet thats okay ::) and he defends Ronnie to ad nausem , so nice try , lets not be hypocritcal !! ;)
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Hulkster at least makes humour of the situation, you act in a more insidious and maleovolent manner which goes some distance to explaining your rep on these boards.
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Hulkster at least makes humour of the situation, you act in a more insidious and maleovolent manner which goes some distance to explaining your rep on these boards.
Oh yes humor lol by talking about sucking Ronnies dick ::) and I love how you alone can pic up over the internet mind you how my behavior is , great job , thats a real special talent you have there .
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Trust me, the consensus here is that you suck
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Trust me, the consensus here is that you suck
Oh is this the part where I have a meltdown A'la ZachG ? ;) I could care less what anyone thinks of me , if I did all I would have to do is become a Ronnie nut hugger .
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240????? HAHAHAHAHAHA, I BET YOUR A BUCK O'FIVE SOAKING WET HOLDING A CINDERBLOCK!! HAHAHAHA.
BTW: If your mom dont get her slippers out of my room, tell her ima beat that ass again... ;D
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=52786.0;attach=59412;image)
just goes to show you that the pre-gut Ronnie really did have great triceps.
And by the way, ND you are still on crack.
See, I may "defend" ronnie a lot, but at least I make SENSE when I do.
You don't make any sense when you bash him - worse arms than Dorian? worse quads than Arnold? you are, umm, unique in these assertions...
You come across as bitter, blind and biased. Sorry, but thats how bizarre some of your comments concerning Ronnie have been.
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WORD! Hulkster can't you see ronnie has weird shaped triceps in that shot ;)
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His left chest looks kind of weird...
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His left chest looks kind of weird...
When the pex are being worked or flexed they contract in a wave like motion. Depending on the exercise, the contraction (and what looks like the peak of the wave) often starts at the bottom and moves up the chest ending near the collar bone. This pic was taken in mid contraction; you're seeing the wave move up his chest.
Hit the gym sometime, gain some size on your pecs and you’ll see. :D
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His left chest looks kind of weird...
check out a reference book on chest muscles
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just goes to show you that the pre-gut Ronnie really did have great triceps.
And by the way, ND you are still on crack.
See, I may "defend" ronnie a lot, but at least I make SENSE when I do.
You don't make any sense when you bash him - worse arms than Dorian? worse quads than Arnold? you are, umm, unique in these assertions...
You come across as bitter, blind and biased. Sorry, but thats how bizarre some of your comments concerning Ronnie have been.
Oh yes Kevin agrees that " pre-gut Ronnies " triceps were " great "
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When the pex are being worked or flexed they contract in a wave like motion. Depending on the exercise, the contraction (and what looks like the peak of the wave) often starts at the bottom and moves up the chest ending near the collar bone. This pic was taken in mid contraction; you're seeing the wave move up his chest.
Hit the gym sometime, gain some size on your pecs and you’ll see. :D
Well, I guess your are right. :)
Thanks...
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I love when people go on about Flex Wheelers structure as being the best ever , its something they read in Flex magazine and start rehashing online , Flex had tiny insertions & full round muscle bellies , HOWEVER structually he is flawed , he is narrow , he had a middleweights torso and superheavyweights arms , Cormier has a better structure than Flex .
Pure genius. Flex has a small frame, narrow shoulders and defective calves. His flow and tapper of muscle was superb, yes, but he lacked overall development and density to compete at the pro level. Flex Wheeler:perfect example, of how the combination of long muscle bellies and small joints, can take you far in bodybuilding, even if your competitors carry some 60 lbs more of ripped mass than you do-at the same height! Compare his density to Lee Labrada or Tom Platz, who, although smaller than their competitors, still looked like bodybuilders and not bulky swimmers.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Furthermore, Dorian's shoulder-to-waist ratio, while bad, was always better than Ronnie's.
(http://www.ifbb.com/contestresults/mrolympia/coleman/99coleman9.jpg)
are you insane?? Dorian had an edge on Ronnie in a couple of areas, but taper/shoulder to waist ratio was never one of them. Dorian's waist was too wide to have an edge on Ronnie in this area.
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Fuck Jesus , with Pre-Gut Ronnie all things are possible !!! >:(
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Oh yes Kevin agrees that " pre-gut Ronnies " triceps were " great "
Aethestically speaking kev is 200 light years ahead in that pic
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great compare ND :)
now, does benfatto wear a rug ?
and does wearing a wig color aestheticism?
The Rug is straight from the Wigs R Us, where Derek Anthony Shops!!!