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Re: 2nd place dwarfing the eventual winner
« Reply #125 on: January 25, 2006, 02:09:15 AM »
Aesthetic and not aesthetic .

aesthetics are opinion based, moron.

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Re: 2nd place dwarfing the eventual winner
« Reply #126 on: January 25, 2006, 02:57:03 AM »
aesthetics are opinion based, moron.

and according to ND, the only valid opinion is his.

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Re: 2nd place dwarfing the eventual winner
« Reply #127 on: January 25, 2006, 02:07:27 PM »
Oaky some of you don't agree with my opinion , but am I wrong? I don't think so , I stand by my statements , I don't think Ronnie was an aesthetic bodybuilder even when he was lighter and in his current state you have to be on crack to think he has an aesthetic phsyique , I feel he was more aesthetic lighter than he is now , but I don't think when one thinks of an aesthetic bodybuilder , Ronnie Coleman jumps to mind , and again in term of aesthetics even at his best Ronnie is in no way shape or form comparable to Lee Labarada , Bob Paris , Steve Reeves , and Chris Cormier .

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Re: 2nd place dwarfing the eventual winner
« Reply #128 on: January 25, 2006, 03:35:38 PM »
Being aesthetic or not is something that often cannot be simply described by certain criteria....it's just a look. Ronnie Coleman was never aesthetic. His mutant abs ruined everything

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Re: 2nd place dwarfing the eventual winner
« Reply #129 on: January 25, 2006, 05:40:57 PM »
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ND's variable criteria for the aesthetic is probably the biggets dose of hypocrisy i've seen for a while from this board.

what totally amazes me is this:

It doesn't matter what debate we are having, whether its bodybuilder X versus ronnie, a particular bodypart of someone verus one of Ronnie's, whether or not Ronnie (was) aesthetic or not etc etc. ND will not acknowledge that Ronnie might have an edge in anything over anyone else.

ND has argued against Ronnie time and time again- (no matter what it is - even crazy, bizarre, unbelievable-you-are-smoking-crack-and-are-fucking-crazy-arguments like "Dorian has better overall arms") 

And yet he still maintains he is not biased. ::)

Dorian has better overall arms?
Arnold had better quads?
Adjusting criteria to include some bodybuilders but excluding ronnie, even though many of their attributes are the same

gimme a break.

By the time ND finally admits his bias, I will probably have 10,000 posts!
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Re: 2nd place dwarfing the eventual winner
« Reply #130 on: January 25, 2006, 05:49:17 PM »
Acording to your criteria, arnold would need naturally wide shoulders and a narrow waist to be considered aesthetic which he doesnt. You also mentioned the minimum amount of weakness:
 - lack of quad flair and size
 - lack of hamstrings
 - arm imbalance due to overly large biceps
 - low chest that dominates his physique and makes him appear narrow overpowering his delts
 - naturally wide waist


dear o dear

bingo.

This is my take:

To my eye, taper carries a whole lot of weight with aesthetics.  Wide shoulders, narrow waist, not-to-high but sweeping lats, no bulging obliques, good quad sweep.

That is a big reason why to my eye the pre-gut Ronnie was highly aesthetic.

Part of the reason that he does not look that great in certain poses is that he does NOT know how to pose properly (eg. Ronnie has never done a twisting front double biceps shot, but if he had he would have looked amazing)..

But the fantastic taper and lines used to be there.

They got obliterated by excess mass and the gh gut, but he used to look fantastic:


how can ya not say that he looked amazing, even from an aesthetics standpoint?

This is what he turned into:


doesn't even look like the same guy, does it??
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Re: 2nd place dwarfing the eventual winner
« Reply #131 on: January 25, 2006, 05:56:32 PM »
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Re: 2nd place dwarfing the eventual winner
« Reply #132 on: January 26, 2006, 01:55:42 AM »
what totally amazes me is this:

It doesn't matter what debate we are having, whether its bodybuilder X versus ronnie, a particular bodypart of someone verus one of Ronnie's, whether or not Ronnie (was) aesthetic or not etc etc. ND will not acknowledge that Ronnie might have an edge in anything over anyone else.

ND has argued against Ronnie time and time again- (no matter what it is - even crazy, bizarre, unbelievable-you-are-smoking-crack-and-are-fucking-crazy-arguments like "Dorian has better overall arms") 

And yet he still maintains he is not biased. ::)

Dorian has better overall arms?
Arnold had better quads?
Adjusting criteria to include some bodybuilders but excluding ronnie, even though many of their attributes are the same

gimme a break.

By the time ND finally admits his bias, I will probably have 10,000 posts!

Me bias lol You think Coleman t his peak is everything , flawless , aesthetic , the best bodyparts , the best symmetry , the best proportions , looks the best in every single pose , lol you have nerve calling people bias , and now Ronnie is highly aesthetic , you're full of hot air !! you keep posting a pic of Coleman standing there relaxed with his lats flaired as proof he is aesthetic , its not , again you think thats the only criteria , he can barley do the mandatories , nevermind aesthetic kneeling shots and twisting shots , keep making excuses why he didn't do these poses , I'll give you a few reasons why he isn't aesthetic , his lack of body harmony and his gigantic ass that sicks out , you think thats aesthetic? how about his oddly shapped muscles ?the focal point of a great midsection besides being small is being fully developed , where are Ronnies abs , intercostles , serattus ? thats right he is highly aesthetic  ::) and I like how you add in what your criteria for aesthetics is not-to-high lats lol because lets face it Orville Burke and Ronnie are a lot alike , yet no one is calling Orville aesthetic , even though he has a wide ass back , a tiny waist & tons of quadsweep for you to say Ronnie is aesthetic & Orville isn't shows your lack of knowlege and your undying bias for Ronnie , either way you don't know what you're talking about .

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Re: 2nd place dwarfing the eventual winner
« Reply #133 on: January 26, 2006, 01:57:25 AM »
Me bias lol You think Coleman t his peak is everything , flawless , aesthetic , the best bodyparts , the best symmetry , the best proportions , looks the best in every single pose , lol you have nerve calling people bias , and now Ronnie is highly aesthetic , you're full of hot air !! you keep posting a pic of Coleman standing there relaxed with his lats flaired as proof he is aesthetic , its not , again you think thats the only criteria , he can barley do the mandatories , nevermind aesthetic kneeling shots and twisting shots , keep making excuses why he didn't do these poses , I'll give you a few reasons why he isn't aesthetic , his lack of body harmony and his gigantic ass that sicks out , you think thats aesthetic? how about his oddly shapped muscles ?the focal point of a great midsection besides being small is being fully developed , where are Ronnies abs , intercostles , serattus ? thats right he is highly aesthetic  ::) and I like how you add in what your criteria for aesthetics is not-to-high lats lol because lets face it Orville Burke and Ronnie are a lot alike , yet no one is calling Orville aesthetic , even though he has a wide ass back , a tiny waist & tons of quadsweep for you to say Ronnie is aesthetic & Orville isn't shows your lack of knowlege and your undying bias for Ronnie , either way you don't know what you're talking about .

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Re: 2nd place dwarfing the eventual winner
« Reply #134 on: January 26, 2006, 06:29:19 AM »
Me bias lol You think Coleman t his peak is everything , flawless , aesthetic , the best bodyparts , the best symmetry , the best proportions , looks the best in every single pose , lol you have nerve calling people bias , and now Ronnie is highly aesthetic , you're full of hot air !! you keep posting a pic of Coleman standing there relaxed with his lats flaired as proof he is aesthetic , its not , again you think thats the only criteria , he can barley do the mandatories , nevermind aesthetic kneeling shots and twisting shots , keep making excuses why he didn't do these poses , I'll give you a few reasons why he isn't aesthetic , his lack of body harmony and his gigantic ass that sicks out , you think thats aesthetic? how about his oddly shapped muscles ?the focal point of a great midsection besides being small is being fully developed , where are Ronnies abs , intercostles , serattus ? thats right he is highly aesthetic  ::) and I like how you add in what your criteria for aesthetics is not-to-high lats lol because lets face it Orville Burke and Ronnie are a lot alike , yet no one is calling Orville aesthetic , even though he has a wide ass back , a tiny waist & tons of quadsweep for you to say Ronnie is aesthetic & Orville isn't shows your lack of knowlege and your undying bias for Ronnie , either way you don't know what you're talking about .

That Hulkster is bias is all too obvious you idiot. Tell us something we don't know.Hulkster makes no secret of it and even makes humour out of. The issue is you blatant bias and hypocrisy.

The bottom line:

pre gut, pre monster even pre olympia ronnie was aesthetic

present day ronnie not aesthetic

Get with the visual.

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Re: 2nd place dwarfing the eventual winner
« Reply #135 on: January 26, 2006, 07:02:26 AM »
I am not biased. I hate everyone who faces Ronnie equally.
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Re: 2nd place dwarfing the eventual winner
« Reply #136 on: January 26, 2006, 07:05:28 AM »
I am not biased. I hate everyone who faces Ronnie equally.

You must have really been heated when Ronnie first faced GH + Insulin........that's a battle he lost badly.   :(

His stomach still hasn't recovered. 

Bare witness to this.



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Re: 2nd place dwarfing the eventual winner
« Reply #137 on: January 26, 2006, 07:30:33 AM »
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where are Ronnies abs , intercostles , serattus ? thats right he is highly aesthetic  


the pre-gut Ronnie flexing his intercostals - can you see this shot ND?

Here are a few aesthetic type/twisting/gay shots and..




and of course the pre-gut Ronnie looks great..

Here is an interesting test:

I think we can all agree that Shawn Ray is highly aesthetic.  Lets take his amazing arms foward most muscular and compare it to Ronnie's.

After all, if Ronnie is indeed an unaesthetic blob like ND claims, it should be pretty damn obvious now, shouldn't it when we compare to Shawns??

Here goes:



hmm. Ronnie loses this one, but does he look like an unaesthetic blob?

ND, you need to open your eyes man..the pre-gut Ronnie had great "lines" as your fellow ironagers like to say.
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Re: 2nd place dwarfing the eventual winner
« Reply #138 on: January 26, 2006, 10:27:43 AM »
Hulkster according to your criteria all you need to be aesthetic is a wide back a tiny waist and flaring quads well here it is , but you say hes not aesthetic and Coleman is just by virture of slightly higher lats? its you who is contradicting yourself , I would say neither are aesthetic , both have very simlar phsyiques with the exception of lat height , small calves , giant quads , small waists , wide backs , massive arms , poor balance , just because you can find shots of him doing aesthetic shots doesn't mean they're working for him look at the simlar shots I posted and everyone is schooling Ronnie , in my opinion , Ronnie used to be more aesthetic than he is now but again when one thinks od an aesthetic bodybuilder Ronnie Coleman is NOT on the top of the list .

Oh and the pic of Ronnie you showed doing the ab-thigh vs Flex , notice how Flexes stomach is totaly flat and Ronnie's is sticking out , there is nothing aesthetic about that , Oh I can already hear your response  " He isn't fully flexing yet " lol nothing aesthetic about a giant ass you can see in front poses , he looks amazing as far as size , shape & conditioning are concerned but from an aesthetic standpoint its not working !!

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Re: 2nd place dwarfing the eventual winner
« Reply #139 on: January 26, 2006, 11:39:21 AM »
Hulkster according to your criteria all you need to be aesthetic is a wide back a tiny waist and flaring quads well here it is , but you say hes not aesthetic and Coleman is just by virture of slightly higher lats? its you who is contradicting yourself , I would say neither are aesthetic , both have very simlar phsyiques with the exception of lat height , small calves , giant quads , small waists , wide backs , massive arms , poor balance , just because you can find shots of him doing aesthetic shots doesn't mean they're working for him look at the simlar shots I posted and everyone is schooling Ronnie , in my opinion , Ronnie used to be more aesthetic than he is now but again when one thinks od an aesthetic bodybuilder Ronnie Coleman is NOT on the top of the list .

Oh and the pic of Ronnie you showed doing the ab-thigh vs Flex , notice how Flexes stomach is totaly flat and Ronnie's is sticking out , there is nothing aesthetic about that , Oh I can already hear your response  " He isn't fully flexing yet " lol nothing aesthetic about a giant ass you can see in front poses , he looks amazing as far as size , shape & conditioning are concerned but from an aesthetic standpoint its not working !!

no read what I said more carefully:

yes, I believe that taper carries a whole lot of weight. And for you to suggest that the man with the HIGHEST lats in bodybuilding history has a similar taper to Ronnie Coleman just backs up my argument that you will say anything about Ronnie as long as it degrogatory in some way.

Yes, taper plays a huge role, but so do muscle shape and balance.  Notice how Orville's pecs are totally dwarfed by his lats and quads? Not aesthetic.  Notice the difference:



notice the difference in deltoid shape, quad shape, etc etc.

There is a whole lot more to aesthetics than taper..

ND, even though you are as blind as a bat, you should be able to see this..
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Re: 2nd place dwarfing the eventual winner
« Reply #140 on: January 26, 2006, 11:57:12 AM »
Look at orvilles ass - you can see it from the front too, ao obviously he has a simialr physique to ronnie ;D

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Re: 2nd place dwarfing the eventual winner
« Reply #141 on: January 26, 2006, 12:18:01 PM »
I don't think I have ever seen one pic of Ronnie from the front that somehow showed his ass.

I think ND has been fantasizing a bit much 8)
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Re: 2nd place dwarfing the eventual winner
« Reply #142 on: January 26, 2006, 12:23:01 PM »
You can see it i that black and white clasped hands most muscular but we'll ignore like ND would if it was a bber he liked.  ;D

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Re: 2nd place dwarfing the eventual winner
« Reply #143 on: January 26, 2006, 12:31:41 PM »
You can see it i that black and white clasped hands most muscular but we'll ignore like ND would if it was a bber he liked.  ;D

well, that is a side effect of having a super tiny waist!

If he had a wide waist, like Arnold or Dorian, that would never happen..













that oughta make ND's ironage blood boil! :-*
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Re: 2nd place dwarfing the eventual winner
« Reply #144 on: January 26, 2006, 12:37:01 PM »
Dorian? Wide waist. Say it aint so. I thought he looked great in 94', with only a slight sign of distension, unoticeble unless someone actually pointed it out to you, over.... and over again. I heard he had a stomach infection which caused it.

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Re: 2nd place dwarfing the eventual winner
« Reply #145 on: January 26, 2006, 12:47:06 PM »
Dorian? Wide waist. Say it aint so. I thought he looked great in 94', with only a slight sign of distension, unoticeble unless someone actually pointed it out to you, over.... and over again. I heard he had a stomach infection which caused it.

in 94, dorian had better overall arms than Ronnie ;)
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Re: 2nd place dwarfing the eventual winner
« Reply #146 on: January 26, 2006, 01:26:38 PM »
all this ronnie ronnie shit killed this thread

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Re: 2nd place dwarfing the eventual winner
« Reply #147 on: January 26, 2006, 01:36:32 PM »
all this ronnie ronnie shit killed this thread

no, it turned into an interesting discussion on aesthetics and what it means to each person.

threads evolve.  Such is life on getbig :)
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Re: 2nd place dwarfing the eventual winner
« Reply #148 on: January 26, 2006, 01:49:23 PM »
Where is Yates wide waist? like Ronnie his used to be small but towards the end it was garbage just like Coleman !!  ;)

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Re: 2nd place dwarfing the eventual winner
« Reply #149 on: January 26, 2006, 01:49:56 PM »
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