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Title: As Rand Paul and Ted Cruz eye 2016 runs, an uneasy alliance becomes a rivalry
Post by: 240 is Back on November 10, 2014, 08:12:30 AM
A Cruz/Rand ticket would be incredible.  I'll also settle fora Rand/CRuz ticket as well  ;D



WASHINGTON — When Ted Cruz mounted his filibuster of Obamacare in September 2013, he was joined on the Senate floor by a host of other Republican senators eager to align themselves with a tea party favorite reaching a new level of populist power.
One of those senators was Rand Paul, the Kentucky Republican. At the time, Paul was seen as a likely 2016 presidential primary contender, but the idea of a Cruz presidential bid still seemed a bit far-fetched and premature. After all, the first-term Texas Republican had been sworn in to serve in his first-ever elected office only eight months earlier.

But barely over a year later, it looks increasingly likely that both men will vie for the Republican presidential nomination and launch campaigns this winter.

As Cruz games out his strategy for the new Congress, which will be controlled by his own party for the first time in his career as a senator, he and Paul are now clearly rivals, as opposed to the uneasy allies they were a year ago.

One thing's for sure: Don't expect a repeat of their 2013 alliance. An aide to Paul said that if Cruz launches another crusade against Obamacare next year, Paul will want little to do with it.

"He won't be in the middle of that fight," the Paul aide told me last week. "I don't think he's going to get all wrapped around the axle. He's supportive of the idea of repealing Obamacare, but he's not going to be the tip of the spear."

Paul is happy to let Cruz take that duty, and Cruz is eager to have it. Each man is staking out his own lane.

Where Cruz appeals more narrowly to the hard-core conservative base, Paul believes he has enough support among activists and the grassroots in Iowa and South Carolina to be able to safely make appeals to voter blocs that have traditionally supported Democrats, such as younger voters and minorities. And he's confident enough in his position to have already reached across the aisle to partner with Democrats on shared policy goals.

And unlike Cruz, Paul is well-liked in the Senate, both by Republicans and — perhaps surprisingly, considering some of his views — by Democrats.

One aide working for the Senate Democratic leadership raved about how much Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., and Senate Majority Whip Dick Durbin, D-Ill., like Paul personally.

http://news.yahoo.com/as-rand-paul-and-ted-cruz-eye-2016-runs--an-uneasy-alliance-becomes-a-rivalry-235520912.html
Title: Re: As Rand Paul and Ted Cruz eye 2016 runs, an uneasy alliance becomes a rivalry
Post by: Mr. MB on November 11, 2014, 02:41:11 PM
Paul is crafty. Good crafty. He picked up a load of IOUs during the mid terms. Even the libs in Silicone Valley like him. He will need to team with either Martinez of NM or Dr. Ben Carson.
Title: Re: As Rand Paul and Ted Cruz eye 2016 runs, an uneasy alliance becomes a rivalry
Post by: polychronopolous on November 11, 2014, 02:43:05 PM
Paul is crafty. Good crafty. He picked up a load of IOUs during the mid terms. Even the libs in Silicone Valley like him. He will need to team with either Martinez of NM or Dr. Ben Carson.

Either one of those 2 as VP with Paul could be a formidable ticket.
Title: Re: As Rand Paul and Ted Cruz eye 2016 runs, an uneasy alliance becomes a rivalry
Post by: The True Adonis on November 11, 2014, 06:39:28 PM
Pieces of shit with Piece of shit agendas.

Have fun with your tiered internet.

Oh and Ben Carson believe the universe is only 6000 years old.  And this is who you want representing you.  Pathetic.
Title: Re: As Rand Paul and Ted Cruz eye 2016 runs, an uneasy alliance becomes a rivalry
Post by: flipper5470 on November 12, 2014, 05:36:01 AM
Martinez is a strong VP candidate as is Sandoval in NV unless he decides to take out Harry Reid.  Carson?  Please....stop.   Neither Paul nor Cruz will get the nomination.   
Title: Re: As Rand Paul and Ted Cruz eye 2016 runs, an uneasy alliance becomes a rivalry
Post by: Option D on November 12, 2014, 08:51:06 AM
Pieces of shit with Piece of shit agendas.

Have fun with your tiered internet.

Oh and Ben Carson believe the universe is only 6000 years old.  And this is who you want representing you.  Pathetic.

how a man with his science background disregards evidence is astonishing.

Title: Re: As Rand Paul and Ted Cruz eye 2016 runs, an uneasy alliance becomes a rivalry
Post by: polychronopolous on November 12, 2014, 08:53:42 AM
how a man with his science background disregards evidence is astonishing.



Is Ben Carson a sell out?
Title: Re: As Rand Paul and Ted Cruz eye 2016 runs, an uneasy alliance becomes a rivalry
Post by: Option D on November 12, 2014, 08:59:21 AM
Is Ben Carson a sell out?

Did he sell out his science and fact based background out for a stance of complete ignorance of science and facts to appease a base with fact denying at the forefront of their thought patterns?

i think so
Title: Re: As Rand Paul and Ted Cruz eye 2016 runs, an uneasy alliance becomes a rivalry
Post by: Soul Crusher on November 12, 2014, 09:02:03 AM
how a man with his science background disregards evidence is astonishing.



STFU w that crap moron - screaming science does not mean jack shit.  Obama disregards common sense asll the time and you still defend w failed presidency
Title: Re: As Rand Paul and Ted Cruz eye 2016 runs, an uneasy alliance becomes a rivalry
Post by: Dos Equis on November 12, 2014, 09:02:31 AM
Dr. Carson's biggest problem is he's not a liberal Democrat.  
Title: Re: As Rand Paul and Ted Cruz eye 2016 runs, an uneasy alliance becomes a rivalry
Post by: polychronopolous on November 12, 2014, 09:09:29 AM
Ben Carson is considered an Uncle Tom sellout because he doesn't toe the Democratic line.
Title: Re: As Rand Paul and Ted Cruz eye 2016 runs, an uneasy alliance becomes a rivalry
Post by: Option D on November 12, 2014, 09:14:05 AM
Ben Carson is considered an Uncle Tom sellout because he doesn't toe the Democratic line.
oh....by who?
Title: Re: As Rand Paul and Ted Cruz eye 2016 runs, an uneasy alliance becomes a rivalry
Post by: Dos Equis on November 12, 2014, 09:17:03 AM
Ben Carson is considered an Uncle Tom sellout because he doesn't toe the Democratic line.

Exactly.
Title: Re: As Rand Paul and Ted Cruz eye 2016 runs, an uneasy alliance becomes a rivalry
Post by: Option D on November 12, 2014, 09:17:46 AM
i honestly havent heard that.
Title: Re: As Rand Paul and Ted Cruz eye 2016 runs, an uneasy alliance becomes a rivalry
Post by: polychronopolous on November 12, 2014, 09:22:26 AM
i honestly havent heard that.

Oh my bad D, I didn't realize you were in the dark on this one.

When you get a chance just google "Ben Carson" and follow it up with any of the following terms "uncle tom", "sell out", "c**n" and you will find quite a few examples.

White liberals especially get a kick out of making fun of him because he has different political beliefs.
Title: Re: As Rand Paul and Ted Cruz eye 2016 runs, an uneasy alliance becomes a rivalry
Post by: Option D on November 12, 2014, 09:26:04 AM
Oh my bad D, I didn't realize you were in the dark on this one.

When you get a chance just google "Ben Carson" and follow it up with any of the following terms "uncle tom", "sell out", "c**n" and you will find quite a few examples.

White liberals especially get a kick out of making fun of him because he has different political beliefs.

Seriously Im sure you can type the same with obama and uncle tom and hits would come up.

As such you can type satanist behind almost any high profile person and you would get a hit. Does that mean its the prevailing thought of the masses? Im not totally sure.
Title: Re: As Rand Paul and Ted Cruz eye 2016 runs, an uneasy alliance becomes a rivalry
Post by: Dos Equis on November 12, 2014, 09:27:57 AM
i honestly havent heard that.

All over the media.  All over the internet. 

www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2013/03/23/The-Uncle-Tom-ing-Of-Ben-Carson-Begins
Title: Re: As Rand Paul and Ted Cruz eye 2016 runs, an uneasy alliance becomes a rivalry
Post by: Option D on November 12, 2014, 09:29:24 AM
So obama is one too

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2013/03/26/Palestinian-Journalist-Calls-Obama-Uncle-Tom

Palestinian Journalist Calls Obama 'Uncle Tom'
Title: Re: As Rand Paul and Ted Cruz eye 2016 runs, an uneasy alliance becomes a rivalry
Post by: Option D on November 12, 2014, 09:30:28 AM
Barack Obama: the World Establishment’s Uncle Tom Card in the Re-Colonization of Africa

http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2012/03/17/barack-obama-the-world-establishments-uncle-tom-card-in-the-re-colonization-of-africa/
Title: Re: As Rand Paul and Ted Cruz eye 2016 runs, an uneasy alliance becomes a rivalry
Post by: polychronopolous on November 12, 2014, 09:50:45 AM
All over the media.  All over the internet. 

www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2013/03/23/The-Uncle-Tom-ing-Of-Ben-Carson-Begins

Wait til he steps on the debate stage, then you will really see the hate come out because he doesn't toe the Democratic Party line.
Title: Re: As Rand Paul and Ted Cruz eye 2016 runs, an uneasy alliance becomes a rivalry
Post by: Dos Equis on November 12, 2014, 10:07:31 AM
So obama is one too

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2013/03/26/Palestinian-Journalist-Calls-Obama-Uncle-Tom

Palestinian Journalist Calls Obama 'Uncle Tom'


Oh please.  Are you going to sit there and say black conservatives are not criticized by the black community?  Seriously? 

Is the NAACP going to support Dr. Carson?  Nah.  They don't even acknowledge black conservatives.



And what about Senator Tim Scott? 

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Right on cue: Libs spew ‘Uncle Tom’ hatred after S.C. GOP Sen. Tim Scott’s historic win
Posted at 9:38 pm on November 4, 2014 by Twitchy Staff

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Search for <Tim Scott Uncle Tom> only if you'd like to see how disgustingly some liberals react to losing.
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Republicans across the country celebrated GOP Sen. Tim Scott’s re-election victory in South Carolina tonight. He’s the first black candidate to win statewide since Reconstruction.

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Congratulations on the historic win @SenatorTimScott!
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Congratulations, Senator Tim Scott! http://fb.me/3atXh6yMa
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Congratulations @SenatorTimScott - Defending liberty & life..and making history! ==> http://www.wcnc.com/story/news/politics/elections/2014/11/04/tim-scott-wins-election-for-us-senate-in-sc/18491133/ …

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He is also the first African-American politician elected to both the House and Senate.

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HISTORIC WIN: Tim Scott (R) Is The First African American Ever Voted to Both The House & Senate - http://bit.ly/1qof1Xj
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Those rascally racist Republicans just re-elected @SenatorTimScott to the U.S. Senate in #SouthCarolina  Oh wait!…..

Bingo.

Instead of celebrating, the sour Left is showing its true colors and heaping its usual mountain of racist hate on Sen. Scott. Again.

" Tim Scott is a damn Uncle Tom " 😂😭😩

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Tim Scott for Congress damn Uncle Tom in SC

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Yeah Tim Scott is the biggest Uncle Tom . I remember when he went to c of c
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@hotmomprez @SenatorTimScott if you're a black Uncle Tom white people will vote for you
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First Black Senator Elected By Popular Vote In The South - http://huff.to/1tFMYHY  You are not the first Uncle Tom. Clarence Thomas wins! Lol
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Nikki Haley wins in South Carolina.Tim Scott Uncle Tom ass is back. Lindsey Graham too. UGH. I hate the world.
2:34 PM - 4 Nov 2014

http://twitchy.com/2014/11/04/right-on-cue-libs-spew-uncle-tom-hatred-after-s-c-gop-sen-tim-scotts-historic-win/

Or Mia Love?  From 2012:

Tuesday night after rising GOP star Mia Love brought down the house with her inspiring convention speech, the stomach-turning Left labeled the black conservative a “token” and an “Aunt Tom.”
Meanwhile, revoltingly racist, woman-hating Wikipedia vandals were hard at work updating her entry with disgusting slurs like “House black” and “dirty, worthless whore who needs instant payday loans.” The page called her a “total sell-out to the Right Wing Hate machine and the greedy bigots who control the GOP.”

http://twitchy.com/.../sick-wikipedia-entry-calls-mia.../ 

Don't be dishonest about this subject mang.  You know exactly what happens when a black person steps off the Democrat plantation.  RGIII is another one. 
Title: Re: As Rand Paul and Ted Cruz eye 2016 runs, an uneasy alliance becomes a rivalry
Post by: Dos Equis on November 12, 2014, 10:09:15 AM
Wait til he steps on the debate stage, then you will really see the hate come out because he doesn't toe the Democratic Party line.

Oh I think the hate will be out long before then.  I actually heard some folks say they will no longer teach their kids about Dr. Carson and his accomplishments because he said he would refuse to serve as Surgeon General under Obama. 

Herman Cain was right about people being brainwashed. 
Title: Re: As Rand Paul and Ted Cruz eye 2016 runs, an uneasy alliance becomes a rivalry
Post by: 240 is Back on November 12, 2014, 10:22:35 AM
Dr. Carson's biggest problem is he's not a liberal Democrat. 

If he was, you'd probably move Mitt/CHristie down the rungs and choose Carson as your presidential favorite.

Mitt... Mccain... Ugh.  More of the same yet expect diff results?   PEOPLE WANT A CONSERVATIVE!!!!

Title: Re: As Rand Paul and Ted Cruz eye 2016 runs, an uneasy alliance becomes a rivalry
Post by: Dos Equis on November 12, 2014, 10:26:48 AM
If he was, you'd probably move Mitt/CHristie down the rungs and choose Carson as your presidential favorite.

Mitt... Mccain... Ugh.  More of the same yet expect diff results?   PEOPLE WANT A CONSERVATIVE!!!!



Oh the lying liberal/Libertarian/Republican who voted for Obama (along with his whole family) is here.  Good morning.   :)

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i voted libertarian and will continue to do so.  

Title: Re: As Rand Paul and Ted Cruz eye 2016 runs, an uneasy alliance becomes a rivalry
Post by: The True Adonis on November 12, 2014, 10:34:50 AM
Wait til he steps on the debate stage, then you will really see the hate come out because he doesn't toe the Democratic Party line.
6000 year old earth.
Title: Re: As Rand Paul and Ted Cruz eye 2016 runs, an uneasy alliance becomes a rivalry
Post by: polychronopolous on November 12, 2014, 10:46:19 AM
Oh I think the hate will be out long before then.  I actually heard some folks say they will no longer teach their kids about Dr. Carson and his accomplishments because he said he would refuse to serve as Surgeon General under Obama. 

Herman Cain was right about people being brainwashed. 

Maddow and Hayes and the rest of the White Liberals over at MSNBC will have a field day mocking him because he is a Black person with conservative views.

They can't have their zombie voters believing it's okay to think differently.
Title: Re: As Rand Paul and Ted Cruz eye 2016 runs, an uneasy alliance becomes a rivalry
Post by: James28 on November 12, 2014, 10:48:32 AM
6000 year old earth.

Yep. This is what they think they deserve  :-\

There's zero wonder on why the politicians believe that the public are actually too stupid to trust with any major decision.

Title: Re: As Rand Paul and Ted Cruz eye 2016 runs, an uneasy alliance becomes a rivalry
Post by: Dos Equis on November 12, 2014, 10:49:23 AM
Maddow and Hayes and the rest of the White Liberals over at MSNBC will have a field day mocking him because he is a Black person with conservative views.

They can't have their zombie voters believing it's okay to think differently.

Truth.  No independent thought allowed.  That is true of liberals in general.  They only tolerate viewpoints that agree with their ideology.  
Title: Re: As Rand Paul and Ted Cruz eye 2016 runs, an uneasy alliance becomes a rivalry
Post by: Option D on November 12, 2014, 10:50:02 AM
I simply used the same argument you used to illustrate the simple fact that dumb people say dumb shit

Look Im sure there are people (idiots) that will focus on Bens lack of attention to the "Black Agenda" (whatever the fuck that is)
But people calling him Uncle tom means what in the grand scheme of things. And is it people who are movers and shakers in politics? No it isnt.
All it does is spark meaningless debate over race in a country that is hung up on race on both sides.

Ben Carson was my inspiration to study medicine based on his work not skin. I am disappinted in him now, not because of his conservative agenda, but because of is 180 from the world of science, research and facts, to his new adoption of the fairy tales based on nothing, only to pander to a base that wants nothing to do with facts and science, soely for political gain. And I actually think thats bullshit because he has a snowballs chance in imaginary hell of winning. He has a monetary angle of this bull shit.

So in shor,t did he sell out, yes...but not for the reasons you want to believe.
Title: Re: As Rand Paul and Ted Cruz eye 2016 runs, an uneasy alliance becomes a rivalry
Post by: 240 is Back on November 12, 2014, 10:55:08 AM
That is true of liberals in general.

That's the problem with being a RINO and supporting all these RINO candidates.   RINOs are HALF LIBERAL by definition.

You use the word Liberal like it's this terrible, awful word, you blame them for half of the problems with the world... BUT you support men like Christie, who has a history of liberal positions and votes and actions. 

You blame liberalism but always choose candidates who are partially liberal.  If liberals really are that bad - and you may be right about them - why wouldn't you choose a candidate (like Rand or Cruz or Carson) with LITTLE TO NONE liberal positions?  Why prefer a Romney or mccain or christie or Rudy or Trump... 

I guess a RINO wouldn't understand how the base thinks - or votes.  :(
Title: Re: As Rand Paul and Ted Cruz eye 2016 runs, an uneasy alliance becomes a rivalry
Post by: Dos Equis on November 12, 2014, 10:58:39 AM
I simply used the same argument you used to illustrate the simple fact that dumb people say dumb shit

Look Im sure there are people (idiots) that will focus on Bens lack of attention to the "Black Agenda" (whatever the fuck that is)
But people calling him Uncle tom means what in the grand scheme of things. And is it people who are movers and shakers in politics? No it isnt.
All it does is spark meaningless debate over race in a country that is hung up on race on both sides.

Ben Carson was my inspiration to study medicine based on his work not skin. I am disappinted in him now, not because of his conservative agenda, but because of is 180 from the world of science, research and facts, to his new adoption of the fairy tales based on nothing, only to pander to a base that wants nothing to do with facts and science, soely for political gain. And I actually think thats bullshit because he has a snowballs chance in imaginary hell of winning. He has a monetary angle of this bull shit.

So in shor,t did he sell out, yes...but not for the reasons you want to believe.

So this is a sophisticated way of calling him an Uncle Tom?  

I'm not sure exactly what you mean by "movers and shakers," but I would challenge you to poll your black liberal friends and see what they have to say about Dr. Carson vs. Obama.  

Here is another example of what happens to black conservatives:   "According to a reporter with the TimesDaily.com, Alabama Democratic Rep. Alvin Holmes allegedly said on the state House floor that he doesn’t like Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas because…he’s married to a white woman. Holmes, for the record, is African-American." http://townhall.com/.../alabama-democrat-says-he-doesnt...

Are you telling me you haven't seen and heard this kind of talk repeatedly?  I have read countless examples about this kind of thing.  

I don't think the country is caught up on race so much as the media.  The media is a horrible race-baiter.

Are you saying Dr. Carson didn't believe in intelligent design and only accepted that belief in the last year when he became a political candidate?  
Title: Re: As Rand Paul and Ted Cruz eye 2016 runs, an uneasy alliance becomes a rivalry
Post by: Dos Equis on November 12, 2014, 11:05:49 AM
That's the problem with being a RINO and supporting all these RINO candidates.   RINOs are HALF LIBERAL by definition.

You use the word Liberal like it's this terrible, awful word, you blame them for half of the problems with the world... BUT you support men like Christie, who has a history of liberal positions and votes and actions. 

You blame liberalism but always choose candidates who are partially liberal.  If liberals really are that bad - and you may be right about them - why wouldn't you choose a candidate (like Rand or Cruz or Carson) with LITTLE TO NONE liberal positions?  Why prefer a Romney or mccain or christie or Rudy or Trump... 

I guess a RINO wouldn't understand how the base thinks - or votes.  :(

Aw isn't that cute.  He learned a new word.  "RINO."  It reminds me of the time you learned the word "neocon."  lol

In any event, your voting record speaks for itself.

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I'm a libertarian.

http://www.bobbarr2008.com/

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So I probably will vote dem.  i'd love to see Obama choose a Wes Clark for a running mate, or a Jim Webb, possibly more likely, for strong military and defense credibility.
Title: Re: As Rand Paul and Ted Cruz eye 2016 runs, an uneasy alliance becomes a rivalry
Post by: The True Adonis on November 12, 2014, 11:07:07 AM
Maddow and Hayes and the rest of the White Liberals over at MSNBC will have a field day mocking him because he is a Black person with conservative views.

They can't have their zombie voters believing it's okay to think differently.
No.

6000 year old earth can be mocked until the end of time.
Title: Re: As Rand Paul and Ted Cruz eye 2016 runs, an uneasy alliance becomes a rivalry
Post by: 240 is Back on November 12, 2014, 11:09:09 AM
Aw isn't that cute.  He learned a new word.  "RINO."  It reminds me of the time you learned the word "neocon."  lol

In any event, your voting record speaks for itself.



Your quotes are from 2008.  

In spring 2008, I wanted a strong military ticket with Wes Clark.   By July, it was Bob Barr as the war was settled a bit in summer, and economy became the big issue with fall 08 collapse coming.

It's 2014.  You're acting a lot like a liberal.  You want to keep obama in office, you want christie and other RINO garbage, and yes, he really is RINO garbage, just like mccain and romney.

It's 2014.  I want Ted Cruz to be my president.  I want obama impeached.

You can argue I was confused or an idiot lib in 2008.   Sounds like maybe I could make that argument today about you :(


Come on dude, let's stop scrapping.   Post your support for Cruz 2016 and Obama Impeachment NOW.  

You can do it, beach bum/dos equis!  
Title: Re: As Rand Paul and Ted Cruz eye 2016 runs, an uneasy alliance becomes a rivalry
Post by: Dos Equis on November 12, 2014, 11:12:09 AM
Your quotes are from 2008.  

In spring 2008, I wanted a strong military ticket with Wes Clark.   By July, it was Bob Barr as the war was settled a bit in summer, and economy became the big issue with fall 08 collapse coming.

It's 2014.  You're acting a lot like a liberal.  You want to keep obama in office, you want christie and other RINO garbage, and yes, he really is RINO garbage, just like mccain and romney.

It's 2014.  I want Ted Cruz to be my president.  I want obama impeached.

You can argue I was confused or an idiot lib in 2008.   Sounds like maybe I could make that argument today about you :(


Come on dude, let's stop scrapping.   Post your support for Cruz 2016 and Obama Impeachment NOW.  

You can do it, beach bum/dos equis!  

Silence you lying liar. 

I'm not supporting anyone right now.  I will vote for the person I think is the best candidate, Republican or Democrat, in 2016, just like I always do. 

And one thing I won't do is lie about being a Republican.  Or Independent.  Or Libertarian who is voting for Democrat. 

But you keep searching.  You will find yourself one day.  But first things first:  start with telling the truth. 
Title: Re: As Rand Paul and Ted Cruz eye 2016 runs, an uneasy alliance becomes a rivalry
Post by: Option D on November 12, 2014, 11:50:32 AM
So this is a sophisticated way of calling him an Uncle Tom?  

I'm not sure exactly what you mean by "movers and shakers," but I would challenge you to poll your black liberal friends and see what they have to say about Dr. Carson vs. Obama.  

Here is another example of what happens to black conservatives:   "According to a reporter with the TimesDaily.com, Alabama Democratic Rep. Alvin Holmes allegedly said on the state House floor that he doesn’t like Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas because…he’s married to a white woman. Holmes, for the record, is African-American." http://townhall.com/.../alabama-democrat-says-he-doesnt...

Are you telling me you haven't seen and heard this kind of talk repeatedly?  I have read countless examples about this kind of thing.  

I don't think the country is caught up on race so much as the media.  The media is a horrible race-baiter.

Are you saying Dr. Carson didn't believe in intelligent design and only accepted that belief in the last year when he became a political candidate?  
I didnt even see this response which is why Im late posting.

No Im not calling him an uncle tom because that would imply that there is 1 agenda for black people and he is working in opposition to it. But, I dont believe in a "1 black agenda"  I dont think that anyone can be called an uncle tom.

Now as far as my Liberal Black friends, well...i dont have a lot. My best friend is a black republican. And he actually does believe in race over contry, which sucks.

When i say "movers and shakers" im referring to people that actually have a say in this countrys affiars, laws , etc.. Not just the ramblings of people that dont like the guy. Bro, that means nothing to me. Is calling him an uncle tom change anything. Its like calling obama , muslim, kenyan or any other label make it true? Who cares in the grand scheme of things. I have friends that call me an uncle tom as well as some that call me an extreme liberal. None of their labels affect me in any way. Just as people calling Ben an Uncle Tom in the news only to sale papers and clicks. It has no political signifigance.
Title: Re: As Rand Paul and Ted Cruz eye 2016 runs, an uneasy alliance becomes a rivalry
Post by: Soul Crusher on November 12, 2014, 11:58:27 AM
have things gotten better or worse for blacks w Obama

I didnt even see this response which is why Im late posting.

No Im not calling him an uncle tom because that would imply that there is 1 agenda for black people and he is working in opposition to it. But, I dont believe in a "1 black agenda"  I dont think that anyone can be called an uncle tom.

Now as far as my Liberal Black friends, well...i dont have a lot. My best friend is a black republican. And he actually does believe in race over contry, which sucks.

When i say "movers and shakers" im referring to people that actually have a say in this countrys affiars, laws , etc.. Not just the ramblings of people that dont like the guy. Bro, that means nothing to me. Is calling him an uncle tom change anything. Its like calling obama , muslim, kenyan or any other label make it true? Who cares in the grand scheme of things. I have friends that call me an uncle tom as well as some that call me an extreme liberal. None of their labels affect me in any way. Just as people calling Ben an Uncle Tom in the news only to sale papers and clicks. It has no political signifigance.
Title: Re: As Rand Paul and Ted Cruz eye 2016 runs, an uneasy alliance becomes a rivalry
Post by: Option D on November 12, 2014, 12:02:55 PM
have things gotten better or worse for blacks w Obama


i havent looked into. You would have to give me some matrix's to go off...

maybe
unemployment before and after
education
etc
lets have a grown up conversation
Title: Re: As Rand Paul and Ted Cruz eye 2016 runs, an uneasy alliance becomes a rivalry
Post by: Dos Equis on November 12, 2014, 12:10:43 PM
I didnt even see this response which is why Im late posting.

No Im not calling him an uncle tom because that would imply that there is 1 agenda for black people and he is working in opposition to it. But, I dont believe in a "1 black agenda"  I dont think that anyone can be called an uncle tom.

Now as far as my Liberal Black friends, well...i dont have a lot. My best friend is a black republican. And he actually does believe in race over contry, which sucks.

When i say "movers and shakers" im referring to people that actually have a say in this countrys affiars, laws , etc.. Not just the ramblings of people that dont like the guy. Bro, that means nothing to me. Is calling him an uncle tom change anything. Its like calling obama , muslim, kenyan or any other label make it true? Who cares in the grand scheme of things. I have friends that call me an uncle tom as well as some that call me an extreme liberal. None of their labels affect me in any way. Just as people calling Ben an Uncle Tom in the news only to sale papers and clicks. It has no political signifigance.

Don't get hung up on the "Uncle Tom" reference.  It's much broader than that.  There is a concerted effort to intimidate and silence black conservatives by the black community.  I predict we will see the same thing with Dr. Carson. 

You may not like Sean Hannity, but he has been all over this for the last year.  Take about seven minutes and watch this clip.  There is also a clip of a 40 minute show he did with a room full of black conservatives.  They all said the same thing. 

Title: Re: As Rand Paul and Ted Cruz eye 2016 runs, an uneasy alliance becomes a rivalry
Post by: Soul Crusher on November 12, 2014, 12:21:45 PM
i havent looked into. You would have to give me some matrix's to go off...

maybe
unemployment before and after
education
etc
lets have a grown up conversation

Well look it up you idiot and stop defending this asshole
Title: Re: As Rand Paul and Ted Cruz eye 2016 runs, an uneasy alliance becomes a rivalry
Post by: Soul Crusher on November 12, 2014, 12:24:00 PM
Don't get hung up on the "Uncle Tom" reference.  It's much broader than that.  There is a concerted effort to intimidate and silence black conservatives by the black community.  I predict we will see the same thing with Dr. Carson. 

You may not like Sean Hannity, but he has been all over this for the last year.  Take about seven minutes and watch this clip.  There is also a clip of a 40 minute show he did with a room full of black conservatives.  They all said the same thing. 



Option FAT is like most other liberal left wing blacks - will and would easily defend anything from Obama or the left wing regardless of merit so long as a D is associated with it. 

He and they are fng a joke and the worthless communist traitor he sucks cock for is about to sell him out and he could care less.  Typical ghetto behavior
Title: Re: As Rand Paul and Ted Cruz eye 2016 runs, an uneasy alliance becomes a rivalry
Post by: Option D on November 12, 2014, 12:42:56 PM
Option FAT is like most other liberal left wing blacks - will and would easily defend anything from Obama or the left wing regardless of merit so long as a D is associated with it. 

He and they are fng a joke and the worthless communist traitor he sucks cock for is about to sell him out and he could care less.  Typical ghetto behavior

cool story bro
Title: Re: As Rand Paul and Ted Cruz eye 2016 runs, an uneasy alliance becomes a rivalry
Post by: Soul Crusher on November 12, 2014, 12:47:13 PM
cool story bro

Personally - I enjoy left wing fools like yourself vote yourselves into oblivion.   Obama?  LLLMMMFFFAAOO!!!! 

Enjoy fool - you voted for it not 1x - but 2x - lol!!!!  ha ha ha
Title: Re: As Rand Paul and Ted Cruz eye 2016 runs, an uneasy alliance becomes a rivalry
Post by: Option D on November 12, 2014, 12:50:06 PM
Don't get hung up on the "Uncle Tom" reference.  It's much broader than that.  There is a concerted effort to intimidate and silence black conservatives by the black community.  I predict we will see the same thing with Dr. Carson. 

You may not like Sean Hannity, but he has been all over this for the last year.  Take about seven minutes and watch this clip.  There is also a clip of a 40 minute show he did with a room full of black conservatives.  They all said the same thing. 




im not hung up on it... i know it represents an overall distain by some for black conservatives. Like i said, im sure its out there.. no doubt about it. But as i asked, what does it mean in the grand scheme of things. Because some have an opinion of a guy doesnt make it signifigant. Does the dude that called in and said "that we republicans think that ni.66er needs to be out of office" represent "the white community"? I would venture to say there is no such thing. You saying "black community" is a repackaged way of saying there is a "single black agenda"... which i stated earlier, dont think exists. So people think he is a sell out... whoopity do.
There are super kneegrows that think Obama is a sell out, they are also part of this "black community" arent they.

The problem is simple. Generalizations. US, Them, Black, White.. blah blah. What that chick says doesnt represent me or my family or my friends. Arent we all part of this "black community" you speak of?
Title: Re: As Rand Paul and Ted Cruz eye 2016 runs, an uneasy alliance becomes a rivalry
Post by: Dos Equis on November 12, 2014, 12:59:53 PM

im not hung up on it... i know it represents an overall distain by some for black conservatives. Like i said, im sure its out there.. no doubt about it. But as i asked, what does it mean in the grand scheme of things. Because some have an opinion of a guy doesnt make it signifigant. Does the dude that called in and said "that we republicans think that ni.66er needs to be out of office" represent "the white community"? I would venture to say there is no such thing. You saying "black community" is a repackaged way of saying there is a "single black agenda"... which i stated earlier, dont think exists. So people think he is a sell out... whoopity do.
There are super kneegrows that think Obama is a sell out, they are also part of this "black community" arent they.

The problem is simple. Generalizations. US, Them, Black, White.. blah blah. What that chick says doesnt represent me or my family or my friends. Arent we all part of this "black community" you speak of?

Everyone, regardless of ethnicity, is part of the same community.  I actually think most race-based discussions are pointless.  I don't like generalizations either. 

But this isn't like some white dude calling Obama the N word.  Different subject.  This is about group think.  Intimidation.  Censorship.  I had a few black friends who immediately started calling Dr. Carson a "sellout" and "pawn" as soon as his name started getting thrown around.  It's more than just a few people who do this.  I think this might prevent some from stepping off the plantation.  No ethnic group should be beholden to any political party.   
Title: Re: As Rand Paul and Ted Cruz eye 2016 runs, an uneasy alliance becomes a rivalry
Post by: 240 is Back on November 12, 2014, 01:41:17 PM
I'm not supporting anyone right now.  I will vote for the person I think is the best candidate, Republican or Democrat, in 2016, just like I always do.  

Yeah, that's not cool.   You leave the door open to support Hilary because you find Cruz too extreme.  You enjoyed voting Clinton twice before. *vomit*

That's unacceptable.
Title: Re: As Rand Paul and Ted Cruz eye 2016 runs, an uneasy alliance becomes a rivalry
Post by: Dos Equis on November 12, 2014, 01:45:13 PM
Yeah, that's not cool.   You leave the door open to support Hilary because you find Cruz too extreme.  You enjoyed voting Clinton twice before. *vomit*

That's unacceptable.

You still here?  Is lying your favorite pastime?  Sure seems like it.  Why is the truth so difficult for you? 
Title: Re: As Rand Paul and Ted Cruz eye 2016 runs, an uneasy alliance becomes a rivalry
Post by: Option D on November 12, 2014, 01:52:17 PM
Everyone, regardless of ethnicity, is part of the same community.  I actually think most race-based discussions are pointless.  I don't like generalizations either. 

But this isn't like some white dude calling Obama the N word.  Different subject.  This is about group think.  Intimidation.  Censorship.  I had a few black friends who immediately started calling Dr. Carson a "sellout" and "pawn" as soon as his name started getting thrown around.  It's more than just a few people who do this.  I think this might prevent some from stepping off the plantation.  No ethnic group should be beholden to any political party.   

it is the same thing in essense.

One guy labels a politician something he believes he is. When white calls obama black, its not representative of the white community.
Black dude calls Ben carson Uncle tom, it represents the feeling of the "black community"

black dude calls Obama Uncle tom..... disregard that ,because it doesnt jive with the narrative....
Title: Re: As Rand Paul and Ted Cruz eye 2016 runs, an uneasy alliance becomes a rivalry
Post by: Dos Equis on November 12, 2014, 02:18:29 PM
it is the same thing in essense.

One guy labels a politician something he believes he is. When white calls obama guy, its not representative of the white community.
Black dude calls Ben carson Uncle tom, it represents the feeling of the "black community"

black dude calls Obama Uncle tom..... disregard that ,because it doesnt jive with the narrative....

Wait.  Are you saying the "black community" (or pick your label:  large percentage, majority, etc.) does not intimidate and condemn black conservatives?
Title: Re: As Rand Paul and Ted Cruz eye 2016 runs, an uneasy alliance becomes a rivalry
Post by: Option D on November 12, 2014, 02:31:03 PM
Wait.  Are you saying the "black community" (or pick your label:  large percentage, majority, etc.) does not intimidate and condemn black conservatives?

im saying your "black community" doesnt exist. Its a myth

I dont know what the thought of large percent of blacks is, there is no poll data with that information and contrary to popular belief, we blacks arent all connected to one another via some mental network of thought.
Title: Re: As Rand Paul and Ted Cruz eye 2016 runs, an uneasy alliance becomes a rivalry
Post by: flipper5470 on November 12, 2014, 02:34:08 PM
Backs vote democrat at about  a 90-95% rate in most elections.  That is as close to group think as you will find in America
Title: Re: As Rand Paul and Ted Cruz eye 2016 runs, an uneasy alliance becomes a rivalry
Post by: Dos Equis on November 12, 2014, 02:39:50 PM
im saying your "black community" doesnt exist. Its a myth

I dont know what the thought of large percent of blacks is, there is no poll data with that information and contrary to popular belief, we blacks arent all connected to one another via some mental network of thought.


That's not correct.  There is extensive exit poll data after every presidential election.  CNN has a great site that captures that information.  I haven't looked at it since 2012, but I remember being astounded by one piece that showed almost 100 percent of black females in a certain age demographic voted for Obama.  

You can say group think doesn't exist, but that's just not reality.  The numbers clearly show otherwise.  Plus you have to ignore all of those people and their personal experiences.  
Title: Re: As Rand Paul and Ted Cruz eye 2016 runs, an uneasy alliance becomes a rivalry
Post by: Soul Crusher on November 12, 2014, 02:50:47 PM
Backs vote democrat at about  a 90-95% rate in most elections.  That is as close to group think as you will find in America

Exactly - if whites voted 90-95 GOP EVERY election - there would not be one Demo in office anywhere. 
Title: Re: As Rand Paul and Ted Cruz eye 2016 runs, an uneasy alliance becomes a rivalry
Post by: The True Adonis on November 12, 2014, 02:58:52 PM
Backs vote democrat at about  a 90-95% rate in most elections.  That is as close to group think as you will find in America
Have any Republican policies ever helped any of them?  ???
Title: Re: As Rand Paul and Ted Cruz eye 2016 runs, an uneasy alliance becomes a rivalry
Post by: 240 is Back on November 12, 2014, 03:02:52 PM
You still here?  Is lying your favorite pastime?  Sure seems like it.  Why is the truth so difficult for you?  

I can't envision any scenario where you could consider it acceptable to vote Democrat in 2016.

You vote repub.  Deal?
Title: Re: As Rand Paul and Ted Cruz eye 2016 runs, an uneasy alliance becomes a rivalry
Post by: Soul Crusher on November 12, 2014, 03:09:42 PM
Have any Republican policies ever helped any of them?  ???

LMFAO - they voted 95% lib for decades the question is whether lib policies have helped them, not the other wat around.


Personally - I love it as they vote themselves into oblivion by following pos like Sharpton Obama etc
Title: Re: As Rand Paul and Ted Cruz eye 2016 runs, an uneasy alliance becomes a rivalry
Post by: Dos Equis on November 12, 2014, 03:47:21 PM
I can't envision any scenario where you could consider it acceptable to vote Democrat in 2016.

You vote repub.  Deal?

What the heck are you talking about?  I'm going make my decision after the primaries and vote for the best candidate, regardless of party, like I always do. 

What the heck is wrong with you??  ???
Title: Re: As Rand Paul and Ted Cruz eye 2016 runs, an uneasy alliance becomes a rivalry
Post by: 240 is Back on November 12, 2014, 03:55:22 PM
What the heck are you talking about?  I'm going make my decision after the primaries and vote for the best candidate, regardless of party, like I always do. 

What the heck is wrong with you??  ???

Sorry, but that's not okay with me.   ANY repub will be better than ANY liberal. 

Can we agree on that?
Title: Re: As Rand Paul and Ted Cruz eye 2016 runs, an uneasy alliance becomes a rivalry
Post by: Dos Equis on November 12, 2014, 03:57:24 PM
Sorry, but that's not okay with me.   ANY repub will be better than ANY liberal. 

Can we agree on that?

 ::)  We can agree on what I already said.  I'll make my independent decision, regardless of party.  You will lie about being a Republican (or libertarian or "registered independent") and then vote for Hillary.  We all know how this plays out.