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American People Ruled Unfit To Govern
April 14, 1999 | Issue 35•14
The controversial decision, the first of its kind in the 210-year history of U.S. representative government, was, according to Justice David Souter, "a response to the clear, demonstrable incompetence and indifference of the current U.S. citizenry in matters concerning the operation of this nation's government."
As a result of the ruling, the American people will no longer retain the power to choose their own federal, state and local officials or vote on matters of concern to the public.
"This decision was by no means easy, but it unfortunately had to be done," said Justice Antonin Scalia, who penned the majority decision in the case. "The U.S. Constitution is very clear: In the event that the voting public becomes incapacitated or otherwise unfit to carry out its duties of self-governance, there is a danger posed to the republic, and the judicial branch is empowered to remove said public and replace it with a populace more qualified to lead."
"In light of their unmitigated apathy toward issues of import to the nation's welfare and their inability to grasp even the most basic principles upon which participatory democracy is built, we found no choice but to rule the American people unfit to govern at this time," Scalia concluded.
The controversial ruling, court members stressed, is not intended as a slight against the character of the American people, but merely a necessary measure for the public good.
"The public's right to the best possible representation is a founding principle of our nation," Justice Sandra Day O'Connor told reporters. "If you were on a jet airliner, you wouldn't want an untrained, incompetent pilot at the controls, and this is the same thing. As federal justices, we have taken a solemn oath to uphold every citizen's constitutional rights, and if we were to permit an irresponsible, disinterested public to continue to helm the ship of state, we would be remiss in our duties and putting the entire nation at risk."
(http://www.theonion.com/content/files/images/onion_news1827.article.jpg)
Just some of the millions of empty voting booths
that can be seen across America each November.
The ruling brings to an end a grueling 10-month process, during which more than 100 Supreme Court hearings were held to determine the public's capacity for self-governance. Despite the fact that these hearings were aired on C-SPAN, a majority of U.S. citizens were unaware of them because coverage was largely eclipsed by the Clinton-Lewinsky scandal, the retirement of NBA legend Michael Jordan, and the release of Titanic on home video.
The Supreme Court found that, though 78 percent of U.S. citizens have seen the much-anticipated Star Wars prequel trailer, only one in 200,000 were aware that the multibillion-dollar "Star Wars" missile-defense system had been approved by Congress. Additionally, while 62 percent of citizens correctly identified the cast of Suddenly Susan, only .01 percent were able to identify Attorney General Janet Reno beyond "some woman Jay Leno always says looks like a man." Further, only .0003 percent could correctly identify the ancient Greek city-state of Athens as the birthplace of the concept of an educated citizenry participating in democratic self-rule.
But the final straw, Supreme Court justices said, came last week when none of the 500,000 random citizens polled were aware that Russian President Boris Yeltsin had threatened global thermonuclear war in response to NATO air attacks in Yugoslavia.
"I mean, come on," Justice William Rehnquist said. "Global thermonuclear war? It's just ridiculous. There was just no way we could trust such a populace to keep running things after that."
Populations currently being considered to fill the leadership void until the American people can be rehabilitated and returned to self-governance include those of Switzerland, Sweden and Canada.
"I'm willing to do what I can to help out in this time of crisis and make sure that my vote counts," said Stockholm resident Per Johanssen. "I've been reading up on America a bit, just to get a general idea of what needs to be done, and from what I can tell, they really need some sort of broad-based health-care reform over there right away."
In a provisional test of the new system, the Canadian province of Saskatchewan will hold primaries next Tuesday to re-evaluate last fall's gubernatorial election in Minnesota.
The lone dissenting vote came from Justice Anthony Kennedy, who, in his minority opinion wrote, "Although the American people are clearly unable to make responsible decisions at this time, it is not their fault that they are so uninformed. Rather, the blame lies with the media interests and corporate powers that intentionally keep them in the dark on crucial issues."
Kennedy concluded his opinion by tendering his immediate resignation and announcing his intent "to move to a small island somewhere."
Thus far, reaction to the ruling has been largely indifferent.
"The people ruled unfit to govern? Yeah, I I think I might've heard something about that," said Covington, KY, sales representative Neil Chester. "I think I saw it on the news or something, when I was flipping past trying to find that show about the lady sheriff."
"If you ask me, voting was a big pain anyway," agreed mother of four Sally Heim of Augusta, ME. "At least now I'm free to do my soap-opera-trivia crossword puzzles in peace, without all that distraction about who's running for Second District Alderperson and what-not."
Despite the enormous impact the ruling would seem to have, many political experts are downplaying its significance.
"It doesn't really change anything, to be honest," said Duke University political-science professor Benjamin St. James. "The public hasn't made any real contributions to the governance of the country in decades, so I don't see how this ruling affects all that much."
"I wouldn't worry about it," St. James added. "It's not that important."
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why are you posting an article from 1999? i didnt read all that so fill me in.
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i'm gonna guess this is from The Onion
the copy and paste button is jaguars best friend....she's so liberal and open-minded her brain fell out....thinking on her own has ceased
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jaguar, worry about canada my dear. my vote counted in 2004 and will count again come fall.
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isn't jaguar black? she should be worried about nigeria and all those shit countries not us who saved her people
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She is black, but she acts white (and wishes she actually were white)
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Interesting that the Canadian posts articles with some depth, which are then predictably followed by semi-illiterate hordes providing intellectually empty commentary, really nothing at all of substance. Without intending it, the Americans here quickly provide very clear illustration of some of the differences between the countries.
Even the racial comments are so typically American, such obvious examples of your continuing problems.
If this is representative of America, you guys can keep your trailers. Lemme outta here..
Actually there are very reasonable, educated Americans, that for the most part avoid this board. ;D
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Interesting that the Canadian posts articles with some depth, which are then followed by semi-illerate hordes providing nothing but intellectually void comments, really nothing at all of substance.
Even the racial comments are so typically American, such obvious examples of your continuing problems.
If this is representative of America, you guys can keep your trailers. Lemme outta here..
Actually there are very reasonable, educated Americans, that for the most part avoid this board. ;D
Perhaps you didn't notice, dipshit, but the article is fictional. It was just posted as a way for her to express her dislike for something she can't be a part of. Read next time.
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Knucklehead, my point stands, read next time.
The fiction lies in your idiotic concept of dialogue, which is to fling white-trash insults that have no meaning since I don't know you.
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Knucklehead, the fiction lies in your idiotic concept of dialogue, which is to fling white-trash insults that have no meaning since I don't know you.
Are you saying that the article above is real... you must be joking
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Do you idiots have ANYTHING to provide other than mindless knee-jerk remarks. Very low level here.
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Yet you just dodged the question.
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Does anyone else here think Jaguar should be banned from commenting any further on America? It's obvious her views have been tainted by the numerous American guys that sher serviced and then left her spread-eagled on the bed with a pile of jiz on her face.
She is a cum guzzling jizz recipient.
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She is black, but she acts white (and wishes she actually were white)
And wishes she was American too!
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I'm like Hacksaw Jim Duggan and Hulk Hogan.....USA BABY!!!!!!!!!
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Interesting that the Canadian posts articles with some depth, which are then predictably followed by semi-illiterate hordes providing intellectually empty commentary, really nothing at all of substance. Without intending it, the Americans here quickly provide very clear illustration of some of the differences between the countries.
Even the racial comments are so typically American, such obvious examples of your continuing problems.
If this is representative of America, you guys can keep your trailers. Lemme outta here..
Actually there are very reasonable, educated Americans, that for the most part avoid this board. ;D
You're right. Canada is an intellectual powerhouse. The world sends it's best and brightest to Canada to be educated and trainined so that they can compete in todays cut throat business world and try to be the Information Technology giant we all know Canada is.
Please forgive us for being so unaware of the uberness that is Canada. ::)
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You're right. Canada is an intellectual powerhouse. The world sends it's best and brightest to Canada to be educated and trainined so that they can compete in todays cut throat business world and try to be the Information Technology giant we all know Canada is.
Please forgive us for being so unaware of the uberness that is Canada. ::)
Aren't all the Ivy League schools in Canada? ;)
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Actually there are very reasonable, educated Americans, that for the most part avoid this board. ;D
If this board is so low brow why do you keep posting here sonny boy?
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You're right. Canada is an intellectual powerhouse. The world sends it's best and brightest to Canada to be educated and trainined so that they can compete in todays cut throat business world and try to be the Information Technology giant we all know Canada is.
There's more to life than IT, ...and yes, the world does send it's best and brightest here to be educated. You do know the Prince Andrew was educated right here in Ontario don't you?
Please forgive us for being so unaware of the uberness that is Canada. ::)
You're forgiven. I really can't fault you for your ignorance, ...you are after all ...American. :-*
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There's more to life than IT, ...and yes, the world does send it's best and brightest here to be educated. You do know the Prince Andrew was educated right here in Ontario don't you?
You're forgiven. I really can't fault you for your ignorance, ...you are after all ...American. :-*
Right. Because Prince Andrew is going to be the next uber rocket scientist, global business leader, or next military mastermind. ::)
And yeah, I'm an ignorant American. It's better then being a pseudo-intellectual liberal Canadian. Now get back on the treadmill and start your walk of shame, fatty! :-*
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Interesting that the Canadian posts articles with some depth, which are then predictably followed by semi-illiterate hordes providing intellectually empty commentary, really nothing at all of substance. blah blah blah blah....
you are such a moron, you actually believed it was real! "some depth" hahhahah, stupid schlomo, keep kissing jaguars ass and maybe she'll give u the kegel-flex special!!!
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There's more to life than IT, ...and yes, the world does send it's best and brightest here to be educated. You do know the Prince Andrew was educated right here in Ontario don't you?
You're forgiven. I really can't fault you for your ignorance, ...you are after all ...American. :-*
Blah, blah, blah...hey I just read some interesting stuff about you. 8)
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She really is an annoying bitch though isn't she.
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She really is an annoying bitch though isn't she.
Yep, even if she made sparks fly out of your ass, who could put up with her the rest of the time?
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There's more to life than IT, ...and yes, the world does send it's best and brightest here to be educated. You do know the Prince Andrew was educated right here in Ontario don't you?
You're forgiven. I really can't fault you for your ignorance, ...you are after all ...American. :-*
Yeah too bad all the good schools are in Canada? ::) The poor USA high school grad has no where to go here! Yale, Harvard, Stanford, U.C. at Berkely, MIT, and the list goes on... How many students from around the world including Canada flock to these schools? When the best and brightest list their schools of choice I don't think many schools in Canada make the cut.
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Yeah too bad all the good schools are in Canada? ::) The poor USA high school grad has no where to go here!
LOL, The poor USA highschool grad is hardly literate enough to fill out the application to attend.
Yale, Harvard, Stanford, U.C. at Berkely, MIT, and the list goes on... How many students from around the world including Canada flock to these schools?
You don't really think a typical American primary or secondary education can produce students capable of functioning in those institutions do you. Foreign students have to attend, otherwise those places would be empty, ...would shut down ...would have to close their doors forever. :o
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LOL, The poor USA highschool grad is hardly literate enough to fill out the application to attend.
and you base this on . . .?
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USA highschool grads ;D
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USA highschool grads ;D
You truly are a rock with lips. ::)
Did you buy new curtains yet, Jaggy?
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USA highschool grads ;D
that's wierd because by 3rd grade me and just about everyone i knew could read and write perfectly, certainly well enough to fill out an application.
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OMG.....you are fricken hilarious Jaggy. I always knew that you thought you were stuck on yourself and thought WAY to highly of yourself, but to think that Canada is better than America? Opinion is granted, but to be so ignorant to start a thread that way you did? That is a joke and that is pure blasphemy........even for Getbig.com. What a coincidence on how you view yourself and your view of Canada. Get a clue, your advice or your Canada isn't worth s**t. Get of your high horse, for "Pride does come before the fall".....in case you haven't read it lately.
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OMG.....you are fricken hilarious Jaggy. I always knew that you thought you were stuck on yourself and thought WAY to highly of yourself, but to think that Canada is better than America? Opinion is granted, but to be so ignorant to start a thread that way you did? That is a joke and that is pure blasphemy........even for Getbig.com. What a coincidence on how you view yourself and your view of Canada. Get a clue, your advice or your Canada isn't worth s**t. Get of your high horse, for "Pride does come before the fall".....in case you haven't read it lately.
In addition to bodybuilding, one of my hobbies is poker. One of the rules of thumb for spotting a tell is that "strength means weakness."
Jag trumpeting the virtues of Canada compared to the United States indicates the weakness of her case. If what she said were true, it would be self-evident and blowing her horn would be unnecessary.
From what I've seen, Canadians who have gone as far as they can go in Canada come to the U.S to make it big. Losers who can't cut it here go to Canada where the competition isn't as great.
The other type of Canadian that comes across the border is someone who needs an operation and doesn't want stand in line for six months waiting for socialized medicine.
The bottom line is that arguing with a liberal is a waste of time, as they aren't interested in any idea that might fly in the face of their flawed ideology. At the same they run around calling everyone who doesn't agree with them "fascists," and they're too smug and arrogant to see the hypocrisy of this attitude.
The way to deal with liberals, especially the women, is to tell them to go fuck themselves right from the get go. Then they won't have anything to do with you because they see they can't control you, but, hey, all the better.
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In addition to bodybuilding, one of my hobbies is poker. One of the rules of thumb for spotting a tell is that "strength means weakness."
Jag trumpeting the virtues of Canada compared to the United States indicates the weakness of her case. If what she said were true, it would be self-evident and blowing her horn would be unnecessary.
From what I've seen, Canadians who have gone as far as they can go in Canada come to the U.S to make it big. Losers who can't cut it here go to Canada where the competition isn't as great.
The other type of Canadian that comes across the border is someone who needs an operation and doesn't want stand in line for six months waiting for socialized medicine.
The bottom line is that arguing with a liberal is a waste of time, as they aren't interested in any idea that might fly in the face of their flawed ideology. At the same they run around calling everyone who doesn't agree with them "fascists," and they're too smug and arrogant to see the hypocrisy of this attitude.
The way to deal with liberals, especially the women, is to tell them to go f**k themselves right from the get go. Then they won't have anything to do with you because they see they can't control you, but, hey, all the better.
She has a severe inferiority complex.
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In addition to bodybuilding, one of my hobbies is poker. One of the rules of thumb for spotting a tell is that "strength means weakness."
Jag trumpeting the virtues of Canada compared to the United States indicates the weakness of her case. If what she said were true, it would be self-evident and blowing her horn would be unnecessary.
From what I've seen, Canadians who have gone as far as they can go in Canada come to the U.S to make it big. Losers who can't cut it here go to Canada where the competition isn't as great.
The other type of Canadian that comes across the border is someone who needs an operation and doesn't want stand in line for six months waiting for socialized medicine.
The bottom line is that arguing with a liberal is a waste of time, as they aren't interested in any idea that might fly in the face of their flawed ideology. At the same they run around calling everyone who doesn't agree with them "fascists," and they're too smug and arrogant to see the hypocrisy of this attitude.
The way to deal with liberals, especially the women, is to tell them to go f**k themselves right from the get go. Then they won't have anything to do with you because they see they can't control you, but, hey, all the better.
Mr. Lizzy, well said
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Get of your high horse, for "Pride does come before the fall".....in case you haven't read it lately.
:o I always thought summer came before fall. :-\ Are you sure? ??? :-*
In addition to bodybuilding, one of my hobbies is poker. One of the rules of thumb for spotting a tell is that "strength means weakness."
Hahaha! Not necesaaaaaarily! I used to get hammered at poker 'cause everyone at the table could read me like a book. Til I figured out why. Then I started mixing it up, and would get all excited over nothing, as well as when I had a good hand. Now I kick everyone's butt. Favourite game: Texas Hold 'em. You have an open invitation to play me anytime, ...see if I don't wipe up the table with ya! Mwahahahahaha!
The bottom line is that arguing with a liberal is a waste of time, as they aren't interested in any idea that might fly in the face of their flawed ideology. At the same they run around calling everyone who doesn't agree with them "fascists," and they're too smug and arrogant to see the hypocrisy of this attitude.
Screw You... you FASCIST! :-*
The way to deal with liberals, especially the women, is to tell them to go f**k themselves right from the get go. Then they won't have anything to do with you because they see they can't control you, but, hey, all the better.
<giggle> someone's a little touchy. Aw... poor baby. I think I hurt his widdle feelings.
Here, ...have a cookie. :-*
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Jag, I agree you have the right to your opinions. You've stated them, using someone else's article, but hay you couldn't of said it better. The thing I'm grateful for is that your in Canada, not America. Enjoy your social medicne, high taxes, socialist goverment not to mention the sup-par entertainement, social life and the finer things you just can only get in the gol old US of A. Don't get me wrong again, I have no qualms with you. You love Canada, stay their. Cut and past all the propaganda you can find, but when the shit hits the fan, who does the world comming running to? hint: Not Royal Canadian Mounted Police ::)
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Jag, I agree you have the right to your opinions. You've stated them, using someone else's article, but hay you couldn't of said it better. The thing I'm grateful for is that your in Canada, not America. Enjoy your social medicne, high taxes, socialist goverment not to mention the sup-par entertainement, social life and the finer things you just can only get in the gol old US of A. Don't get me wrong again, I have no qualms with you. You love Canada, stay their. Cut and past all the propaganda you can find, but when the shit hits the fan, who does the world comming running to? hint: Not Royal Canadian Mounted Police ::)
The only people singing the praises of privatized medicine are those who rarely get sick (i.e. the young and the healthy). Wait till you hit 40 and need to see the doctor more often and then wait until you get hit by bills you can't afford.
PS: Your insurance is only a false sense of security especially when they can use the legalese to deny you compensation. And when you get older your premiums will eat away at your pensions and mutual funds pay outs if you are lucky. If you are unlucky the insurance companies will refuse to cover you.
I have never met a Canadian I have liked (most of them are hypocrites and frauds). The French-Canadians on the other hand for the most part are excellent folk. Wonder why Quebec still lives under the Crown. But socialized medicine is not one of their ills. (PS check out the statistics, of all the first world industrialized countries those having subsidized medicine usually have the highest life expectancy).
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The only people singing the praises of privatized medicine are those who rarely get sick (i.e. the young and the healthy). Wait till you hit 40 and need to see the doctor more often and then wait until you get hit by bills you can't afford.
PS: Your insurance is only a false sense of security especially when they can use the legalese to deny you compensation. And when you get older your premiums will eat away at your pensions and mutual funds pay outs if you are lucky. If you are unlucky the insurance companies will refuse to cover you.
I have never met a Canadian I have liked (most of them are hypocrites and frauds). The French-Canadians on the other hand for the most part are excellent folk. Wonder why Quebec still lives under the Crown. But socialized medicine is not one of their ills. (PS check out the statistics, of all the first world industrialized countries those having subsidized medicine usually have the highest life expectancy).
I don't get where you stand on the socialized medicine? I have insurane, which I pay $125 per week. I've had to use it many times and the meds I take monthly would cost over $800. I pay $94 in co-pays. I've been on the meds for almost 5 years, so it's been a good deal so far. Dr. bills are another story, but without insurance, My wife, daughter and myself would be fvcked. What do you think My situtation would be in Canada? For me insurance has been a God send.
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I don't get where you stand on the socialized medicine? I have insurane, which I pay $125 per week. I've had to use it many times and the meds I take monthly would cost over $800. I pay $94 in co-pays. I've been on the meds for almost 5 years, so it's been a good deal so far. Dr. bills are another story, but without insurance, My wife, daughter and myself would be fvcked. What do you think My situtation would be in Canada? For me insurance has been a God send.
Don't know much about Canada. But in the UK you would pay next to nothing in insurance. You pay what amounts to a "medical" tax. Then you fall ill be it a little cut that needs a tetanus shot or some serious operation you don't pay a dime. Thats real insurance where you don't have to fill forms, wonder when you are lying in bed if the repo-men will be visiting your house. Wondering if you will have to buy generic or brand or wondering if a root canal is a "pre-existing" condition. Most mental illnesses are not covered. Many plans don't cover preventive medicine i.e. annual comprehensive check-ups. There is such a thing as extremism. Extreme capitalism and extreme socialism are both problematic. In the 80's we had now fat diets (read NO fat). And now we have low carb diet still you see fatties all around. I think the issue is that people are greedy. Wonder why American mistrust for government is greater than their mistrust for the insurance cos.
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This really has nothing to do with the topic so do excuse me ;)
I went to Canada years ago to get my breast implants. When the customs officer asked why we were visiting my mom pipes up 'she's going to the doctor'. Big mistake. Next thing I know we're in some back room for 6 hours getting the 3rd degree as they thought I was there trying to get some free healthcare. They were threatening to lock us up and all. Eventually the doctor had to fax the receipt to show I had pre paid for the surgery.
Back to the topic :D
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This really has nothing to do with the topic so do excuse me ;)
I went to Canada years ago to get my breast implants. When the customs officer asked why we were visiting my mom pipes up 'she's going to the doctor'. Big mistake. Next thing I know we're in some back room for 6 hours getting the 3rd degree as they thought I was there trying to get some free healthcare. They were threatening to lock us up and all. Eventually the doctor had to fax the receipt to show I had pre paid for the surgery.
Back to the topic :D
post some pics.
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I don't get where you stand on the socialized medicine? I have insurane, which I pay $125 per week. I've had to use it many times and the meds I take monthly would cost over $800. I pay $94 in co-pays. I've been on the meds for almost 5 years, so it's been a good deal so far. Dr. bills are another story, but without insurance, My wife, daughter and myself would be fvcked. What do you think My situtation would be in Canada? For me insurance has been a God send.
$800 a month for meds? :o What the heck are you on... AZT? j/k
Wow Buff, $594 a month for health insurance and meds is a lot.
In Canada, you would have had an extra $35, 640 in your pocket.
And just like snatch_clean says: get sick, need attention, whether small cut or major surgery, you don't pay a dime. No costs for doctors visits or medical procedures etc., No forms to fill out, no wondering if what you need is covered. Just visit the doc, and he swipes your card. Once every four years, you go to get your picture taken for a new card.
Some employers & institutions offer extended health coverage which takes care of things not covered by OHIP like prescriptions. Most I've seen are either completely free or with a 10% co-pay for scripts. For years my extended coverage was 100% free prescriptions, even included free dental care including teeth bleaching :D The doc would fax the script over, and it was delivered to my house the next day, ...or if I didn't want to wait 24 hrs for it, I could pay 10% and have it immediately filled at a pharmacy.
CQ: <LOL> You said the wrong thing! ;D
When it comes to getting into Canada, ...going to the doctor is on the list of top 10 things you DON'T want to be saying. HA! My girlfriend encountered a similar situation in 93 when entering the USA. She was 3 months pregnant and had already has 2 miscarriages. Her and her husband were going down to San Diego to spend some time with her Dad who lived there, then on to LV to spend time with her Mom who lived there. Because of her previous miscarriages, the doc didn't want her driving in a car for days on end, so the plan was for her husband to drive down there in the Gulf Stream, and she'd fly to SD after he arrived. At the airport US immigration questioned her about why she hadn't gone down with her husband, and when she said she was pregnant, they freaked. They thought she was trying to enter the US to have her baby, so her baby could be an American citizen. It was ludicrous considering the fact that both her Belgian born parents already have dual Canadian/US citizenship. Finally she looked the guy dead in the eyes and said "Are you on drugs? Seriously, ...are you? Why the f*ck would I want to have a baby in the USA when I can have it in Canada and be covered by OHIP?" The guy turned bright red, and let her get on the plane.
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$800 a month for meds? :o What the heck are you on... AZT? j/k
Wow Buff, $594 a month for health insurance and meds is a lot.
In Canada, you would have had an extra $35, 640 in your pocket.
And just like snatch_clean says: get sick, need attention, whether small cut or major surgery, you don't pay a dime. No costs for doctors visits or medical procedures etc., No forms to fill out, no wondering if what you need is covered. Just visit the doc, and he swipes your card. Once every four years, you go to get your picture taken for a new card.
Some employers & institutions offer extended health coverage which takes care of things not covered by OHIP like prescriptions. Most I've seen are either completely free or with a 10% co-pay for scripts. For years my extended coverage was 100% free prescriptions, even included free dental care including teeth bleaching :D The doc would fax the script over, and it was delivered to my house the next day, ...or if I didn't want to wait 24 hrs for it, I could pay 10% and have it immediately filled at a pharmacy.
CQ: <LOL> You said the wrong thing! ;D
When it comes to getting into Canada, ...going to the doctor is on the list of top 10 things you DON'T want to be saying. HA! My girlfriend encountered a similar situation in 93 when entering the USA. She was 3 months pregnant and had already has 2 miscarriages. Her and her husband were going down to San Diego to spend some time with her Dad who lived there, then on to LV to spend time with her Mom who lived there. Because of her previous miscarriages, the doc didn't want her driving in a car for days on end, so the plan was for her husband to drive down there in the Gulf Stream, and she'd fly to SD after he arrived. At the airport US immigration questioned her about why she hadn't gone down with her husband, and when she said she was pregnant, they freaked. They thought she was trying to enter the US to have her baby, so her baby could be an American citizen. It was ludicrous considering the fact that both her Belgian born parents already have dual Canadian/US citizenship. Finally she looked the guy dead in the eyes and said "Are you on drugs? Seriously, ...are you? Why the f*ck would I want to have a baby in the USA when I can have it in Canada and be covered by OHIP?" The guy turned bright red, and let her get on the plane.
please give me an in depth analysis on the role of foreign and international laws should have on a government. or how about you tell me why herbert hoover was a good, or a bad president..convicingly. or how about you give me the reason for the civil war...or how about telling me what governments purpose is....wait i already know what your answer will be: To make its citizens lifes as easy and safe as possible...or something along those lines. like promoting the general welfare. im sure you dont realize it yet...and you might not get what i just wrote...but just know this..
your a moron. no matter how much you educate yourself...youll still just be a moron that knows a lot of facts. youll never be able to comprehend facts and data with out a liberal professor to give you guidence, youll never be able to philosophize on your own, and youll never, ever, be an american.
so shut the fuck up. ;D
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how about I just tell you to go f*ck yourself ya egomaniacal jackass?! ;D lol
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$800 a month for meds? :o What the heck are you on... AZT? j/k
Wow Buff, $594 a month for health insurance and meds is a lot.
In Canada, you would have had an extra $35, 640 in your pocket.
And just like snatch_clean says: get sick, need attention, whether small cut or major surgery, you don't pay a dime. No costs for doctors visits or medical procedures etc., No forms to fill out, no wondering if what you need is covered. Just visit the doc, and he swipes your card. Once every four years, you go to get your picture taken for a new card.
Some employers & institutions offer extended health coverage which takes care of things not covered by OHIP like prescriptions. Most I've seen are either completely free or with a 10% co-pay for scripts. For years my extended coverage was 100% free prescriptions, even included free dental care including teeth bleaching :D The doc would fax the script over, and it was delivered to my house the next day, ...or if I didn't want to wait 24 hrs for it, I could pay 10% and have it immediately filled at a pharmacy.
CQ: <LOL> You said the wrong thing! ;D
When it comes to getting into Canada, ...going to the doctor is on the list of top 10 things you DON'T want to be saying. HA! My girlfriend encountered a similar situation in 93 when entering the USA. She was 3 months pregnant and had already has 2 miscarriages. Her and her husband were going down to San Diego to spend some time with her Dad who lived there, then on to LV to spend time with her Mom who lived there. Because of her previous miscarriages, the doc didn't want her driving in a car for days on end, so the plan was for her husband to drive down there in the Gulf Stream, and she'd fly to SD after he arrived. At the airport US immigration questioned her about why she hadn't gone down with her husband, and when she said she was pregnant, they freaked. They thought she was trying to enter the US to have her baby, so her baby could be an American citizen. It was ludicrous considering the fact that both her Belgian born parents already have dual Canadian/US citizenship. Finally she looked the guy dead in the eyes and said "Are you on drugs? Seriously, ...are you? Why the f*ck would I want to have a baby in the USA when I can have it in Canada and be covered by OHIP?" The guy turned bright red, and let her get on the plane.
Yep 800, if I didn't have insurance. My co payements are 50 for Oxycontin which I must take for cronic shoulder pain. Ir's for instant releif are generic and only cost 7. I take atavin to deal with all the bullshit, generic, so once again 7 and lastly lidacain patches, which the co is 30. My monthly bill is $94 without insurance it would be over 800. The Oxy's are $350 and the patches are 300 so with my 125 monthly bill and co pays, I figure I save over 1000 a month. It's the poor bastards with no insurance who get screwed, you would think, but they go on welfare and everything's paid for. It's the capitalist way. If you can pay, you pay. If you're broke or don't make enough, there are resources to take care of you. That's the beauty of being an American. Oh yea 9 bucks a week for dental. Just a drop in the bucket.
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Yep 800, if I didn't have insurance. My co payements are 50 for Oxycontin which I must take for cronic shoulder pain. Ir's for instant releif are generic and only cost 7. I take atavin to deal with all the bullshit, generic, so once again 7 and lastly lidacain patches, which the co is 30. My monthly bill is $94 without insurance it would be over 800. The Oxy's are $350 and the patches are 300 so with my 125 monthly bill and co pays, I figure I save over 1000 a month. It's the poor bastards with no insurance who get screwed, you would think, but they go on welfare and everything's paid for. It's the capitalist way. If you can pay, you pay. If you're broke or don't make enough, there are resources to take care of you. That's the beauty of being an American. Oh yea 9 bucks a week for dental. Just a drop in the bucket.
I suppose paying $594 a month is a little better than $800/month plus doctor visits :-\
But the scenario you lay out is still a little harse imo. You need meds but can't pay for them...so you die? ...Or, ...you go on welfare so meds are covered (but you can't afford to eat now... so you die) Sounds like a no-win situation to me.
I just can't relate. I'm a Canadian who has grown up with health care coverage. I know no other way, ...and as much as I try to envision another scenario, I cannot. Nor would I even want to. It's just one of those fundamental differences between our two country's ideologies that I doubt will ever change. The idea of not being able to have health care when you need it is just anathema to Canadians. That's why customs officials are so spooked about non-Canadians crossing our borders who are in need of health care. It's not unusual for Canadians to lend their health cards to Americans crossing our borders. lol. In Ontario, they're trying to stem the tide of this by now having digitized photos and signatures on health cards, but, previous ones didn't have those.
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I don't get where you stand on the socialized medicine? I have insurane, which I pay $125 per week. I've had to use it many times and the meds I take monthly would cost over $800. I pay $94 in co-pays. I've been on the meds for almost 5 years, so it's been a good deal so far. Dr. bills are another story, but without insurance, My wife, daughter and myself would be fvcked. What do you think My situtation would be in Canada? For me insurance has been a God send.
Thats too much. 800 bucks a month! Even if you make 8000 a month thats a good 10% trimmed off each month. With socialized med you would pay one flat amount and it doesnt matter what condition you suffer from a headache or need a by-pass you pay the same. I think that is real insurance!
Besides with the myriad of different providers in the US there are literal 100's of plans each with their own premiums, deductibles, co-pay, level of coverage, and annual maximum out pocket expenses. And you cant get a good deal. If the premium+co-pay+maximum annual out of pocket expense limit is low then you can be sure that you have a shitty coverage with a lot of loopholes with which the insurance co will trap you. If you have to get a good package u gotta be a state or federal employee or make lots of money to afford a really good peace of mind package. Or else you better be a highly educated professional (doctor, engineer, scientist, or lawyer, top level management professional etc)or have a good employer like IBM, Intel or the pharmaceutical cos who in general give their employees excellent packages.
If you are self employed and dont make big money, or are blue collar, or work a non-professional white collar job(aren't a doctor, scientist, engineer or lawyer but instead are an accountant, clerk, secretary, technician) then you better stay healthy.
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What the hell is wrong with you people, it's irrelevant to talk about anything that happened in the recent past??? WTF??? ::)