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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Julio Ceasar on April 03, 2015, 09:21:27 AM
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Best latspread ever!
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thats fucking insane
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Best latspread ever!
1996 a contest Shawn said he won LMAO
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Hard dense muscle compared to the smooth bloat of today. Ton of photo shop today too.
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Even his abs had striations
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In before hulkster post Dorians worst shots next to ronnies all time best for the tenth thousand time
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Hard dense muscle compared to the smooth bloat of today. Ton of photo shop today too.
Once Branch and Kai are out won't be much hard dense muscle left
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Best latspread ever!
lol cute...
(http://www.pwnfitness.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/ronnie-coleman-lat-spread.jpg)
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lol cute...
(http://www.pwnfitness.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/ronnie-coleman-lat-spread.jpg)
The best "duckface" lat spread ever.
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The best "duckface" lat spread ever.
Ronnie wins based on those two pics, by a light year (and I am fan of Dorian's paper thin skin Olympia presentations)
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Ronnie wins based on those two pics, by a light year (and I am fan of Dorian's paper thin skin Olympia presentations)
And Phil destroys both of em anyways.
(http://www.freynutrition.info/bilder/olympia-2014/olympia-2014-heath-2.jpg)
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1996 a contest Shawn said he won LMAO
To bad the pixel resolution sucked back in the days...Dorian was razor sharp but bad video quality blurred it all away... :'(
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And Phil destroys both of em anyways.
(http://www.freynutrition.info/bilder/olympia-2014/olympia-2014-heath-2.jpg)
From Dorian & Ronnie to Phil Heath...... Progress.
NOT.
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Yates lat spread I think is still the best, but Coleman's is REAL close.
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1996 a contest Shawn said he won LMAO
Shawn Ray comes off as a bitter crybaby.
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lol cute...
Thanks for playing , we have some lovely parting gifts for you.
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Haney had the best lats spreads than Dorian eclipse him , Ronnie had a better rear lat spread than front but still behind Yates in these poses.
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Thanks for playing , we have some lovely parting gifts for you.
Why are you posting pics of a national middle weight competitor? ???
(http://i35.tinypic.com/156zcih.jpg)
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Why are you posting pics of a national middle weight competitor? ???
Hahahahah Dorian is 283lbs in that pic and unlike Coleman he's not soft as hell.
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1996 a contest Shawn said he won LMAO
dorian makes him look narrower than heath...
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dorian makes him look narrower than heath...
Dorian made Ronnie look narrow too ;D
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dorian makes him look narrower than heath...
Shawn Ray is narrower than Heath.
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Haha, Dorian dicks all over Ronnie in the front lat spread, doesn't matter what year, Dorian wins all day long. That '96 conditioning is insane.
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Dorian made Ronnie look narrow too ;D
This. And if a person didn't know better, they'd suspect someone shopped away Ronnie's calves in that pic.
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It looks good on Dorian because his smaller arms and larger lats. Ronnie has larger arms and larger lats. Ronnie is just too overwhelming in that shot in 2003 and 2004. His quads are massive and make Dorian look amateurish. Ronnie is too much show ready.
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It looks good on Dorian because his smaller arms and larger lats. Ronnie has larger arms and larger lats. Ronnie is just too overwhelming in that shot in 2003 and 2004. His quads are massive and make Dorian look amateurish. Ronnie is too much show ready.
This. Dorians lats only appeared so dominant cause his other musclegroups were lacking and underdeveloped. What people critisize about Phils arms these days they worship on Dorian.... ???
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Yates had a much more balanced and pleasing looking physique in my opinion. I have always hated Coleman's abs which kills the lat spread for me.
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This. Dorians lats only appeared so dominant cause his other musclegroups were lacking and underdeveloped. What people critisize about Phils arms these days they worship on Dorian.... ???
lmao
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lmao
Its funny how not a single pro looks like this anymore. Phil Heath and jay cutler at their best look(ed) awful compared to this pic of Dorian. Here he is balanced with separation and fullness/hardness. The mass game has killed quality physiques. It began with Yates but the guys nowadays have taken it to far.
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Best latspread ever!
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=569759.0;attach=610005)
And to the right, the man who would have been King had he not have gotten sick
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lol cute...
(http://www.pwnfitness.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/ronnie-coleman-lat-spread.jpg)
Nice every day physique. Easy to maintain with a daily vitamin and three days a weeks in the gym.
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lmao
Excellent shot of Dorian.
Would walk the Mr Olympia.
The last few years Looking like That.
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Its funny how not a single pro looks like this anymore. Phil Heath and jay cutler at their best look(ed) awful compared to this pic of Dorian. Here he is balanced with separation and fullness/hardness. The mass game has killed quality physiques. It began with Yates but the guys nowadays have taken it to far.
Have you notice that we marvel at the 90s guys? Yet, we are unimpressed by today's guys. Sure there are some good competitors, but none of them blow you away. Not Phil, not Kai, not Ramy, not Cedric, not Brandon, not Wolf, not Roelly, not Branch. Literally no one today.
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Have you notice that we marvel at the 90s guys? Yet, we are unimpressed by today's guys. Sure there are some good competitors, but none of them blow you away. Not Phil, not Kai, not Ramy, not Cedric, not Brandon, not Wolf, not Roelly, not Branch. Literally no one today.
Yes.
What is the changing Factor.
Quantity of Pharmaceuticals.?
Type of Pharmaceuticals used.?
Phil, Ramy, Cedric, great physiques
Lacking dense hard looking muscle
And dry crisp conditioning.
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That pic of Phil shows how badly bb'ing has regressed. Just terrible...
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Wow, you don't get a true appreciation for just how weak phil really is until you see both Ronnie and Dorian.
From Dorian & Ronnie to Phil Heath...... Progress.
NOT.
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(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/77/Oh_no,_not_this_shit_again.jpg)
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there is this idea that bodybuilding has to constantly evolve. So when you have an olympia filled with quality physiques, such as the 92', there has to be something that stands out. This was when the mass game started. But just as mass monsters stood out then, so could smaller, more aesthetic guys now. Just as clothes are fashion trends, perhaps bodybuilding can be the same way and evolve back to at least somewhat normalcy.
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lmao
thx for proving me right, that picture illustrates my point pretty much perfectly. No chest, no arms, no traps, no quads - decent delts - and humungous lats and calves. The quantity of Dorians weak bodyparts is what made his back look insane, in fact he was just unbalanced.
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Flex wheeler is more ideal than both Dorian and ronnie
Best physiques and not bbing standards would be flex, kevin, and Chris in no particular order
People would rather have those types of physiques rather than ronnie or Dorian
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thx for proving me right, that picture illustrates my point pretty much perfectly. No chest, no arms, no traps, no quads - decent delts - and humungous lats and calves. The quantity of Dorians weak bodyparts is what made his back look insane, in fact he was just unbalanced.
I stopped at " no traps " and then I realized you don't know shit
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(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/77/Oh_no,_not_this_shit_again.jpg)
What you mean Ronnie ball-lickers trolling on another Yates tread?
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What you mean Ronnie ball-lickers trolling on another Yates tread?
No, I mean you weirdos drooling over every crack and crevice of Yates and Coleman.
Some like white meat, others like dark meat, and still others can like both.
Problem solved.
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No, I mean you weirdos drooling over every crack and crevice of Yates and Coleman.
Some like white meat, others like dark meat, and still others can like both.
Problem solved.
We know you like both. :-X
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We know you like both. :-X
Seriously though, its like arguing about all-time greats in sports. People can debate Brady vs. Montana etc..... all day long.
In the end, it comes down to opinions and preferences.
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Seriously though, its like arguing about all-time greats in sports. People can debate Brady vs. Montana etc..... all day long.
In the end, it comes down to opinions and preferences.
Well yes-and-no. I mean Dorian killed Ronnie every time they faced each other , that's a fact. But Ronnie wasn't exactly Ronnie either but there is a way to determine who is better they do it every time they have a contest.
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Well yes-and-no. I mean Dorian killed Ronnie every time they faced each other , that's a fact. But Ronnie wasn't exactly Ronnie either but there is a way to determine who is better they do it every time they have a contest.
I was talking about overall careers. You really can't go wrong with either Coleman or Yates.
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I was fullly immersed in comp BBing when Dorian was in his prime..he's the champ from my generation.
and although i respected his mass, dryness, back etc...I always thought he was a tad over rated. 93 he looked insane, can't say a thing...94 not so much, i thought Ray was more complete.
but the "politics" for alack of a better word, kept him out of the winner's circle. by that I mean Dorian was dry as fuck and had this MONSTER back, that was his calling card. great calves too, overdeveloped IMO...so all of the sudden...if you weren't dry as fuck and had a monster back...you were deemed lacking the complete package..it became the "Mr Back" competition. having great abs, arms, quads, chest... great lines... became irrelevant if you didn't have a three finger thick Xmas tree. my opinion. echoed by many pros. I remember watching MR O's and the announcers are bascially chit chatting until the rear DB and Lat spread, the they are HYPER critical...it's all that mattered.
95 he deserved it again...looked equine with the amount of dry mass he carried, overwhelming.
96 nope, 97 nope.
carry on...try not to insult me personally LOL
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lol cute...
(http://www.pwnfitness.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/ronnie-coleman-lat-spread.jpg)
That's horrible
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Yates looked very good on the European Grand Prix Tour in 1994
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I was fullly immersed in comp BBing when Dorian was in his prime..he's the champ from my generation.
and although i respected his mass, dryness, back etc...I always thought he was a tad over rated. 93 he looked insane, can't say a thing...94 not so much, i thought Ray was more complete.
but the "politics" for alack of a better word, kept him out of the winner's circle. by that I mean Dorian was dry as fuck and had this MONSTER back, that was his calling card. great calves too, overdeveloped IMO...so all of the sudden...if you weren't dry as fuck and had a monster back...you were deemed lacking the complete package..it became the "Mr Back" competition. having great abs, arms, quads, chest... great lines... became irrelevant if you didn't have a three finger thick Xmas tree. my opinion. echoed by many pros. I remember watching MR O's and the announcers are bascially chit chatting until the rear DB and Lat spread, the they are HYPER critical...it's all that mattered.
95 he deserved it again...looked equine with the amount of dry mass he carried, overwhelming.
96 nope, 97 nope.
carry on...try not to insult me personally LOL
good post,,thing with yates the lighter he was better,,90/91 noc he looked great smaller waist,legs carved and his arms were fitted better due to his back not quite overwhelming yet,,top it off with great calves and good delts/chest again fitted on a less developed lat torso..his 96 grand prix look is insane tho,,he always looked better pre and post olympia,,and his signature poses were impressive front/ rear lat spread/side tricep/and when he stomped leg/calf sideways and flexed on arm down and other across ...
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Yates looked very good on the European Grand Prix Tour in 1994
It was a travesty that he won a few of those titles though. I mean look at his left arm in that pic :-\
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(http://musclemecca.com/imported-images/2009/01/qw5q8259hv6-1.jpg) (http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d146/mmarrella/22070569551.jpg)(http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn168/matt82_2008/Dorian%20Reference/Dorian4.jpg)
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good post,,thing with yates the lighter he was better,,90/91 noc he looked great smaller waist,legs carved and his arms were fitted better due to his back not quite overwhelming yet,,top it off with great calves and good delts/chest again fitted on a less developed lat torso..his 96 grand prix look is insane tho,,he always looked better pre and post olympia,,and his signature poses were impressive front/ rear lat spread/side tricep/and when he stomped leg/calf sideways and flexed on arm down and other across ...
x 6 billion
i think he only nailed it in 95 to be honest, missed by a little every other year
Also to add, it was like the deck was stacked...if someone DID show up with a sick back...then it was like "ahhh, but what about your calves ?"
like he became the template for what you had to bring...and you had to beat him by beating his strong points....yours didn't matter.
when I say "politics" that's what i mean
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I'll just leave this here. Ronnie's waist photoshopped?
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96 nope.
carry on...try not to insult me personally LOL
No insults, but I went to the 96 O. When everyone lined up, Nasser looked like he would challenge Yates and I heard that in the crowd. When they turned around, Yates was so ridiculously better, I saw multiple people laugh and say "oops".
He just looked so much better than anyone in all the rear poses, and he owned the side tri.
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(https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8380/8488788807_7d5d574acd_b.jpg)
(http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=4749773&d=1344380869)
(http://fullspike.com/_bodybuilding/_bodybuilders/_images/dorian-vs-ronnie/dorian-yates-vs-ronnie-coleman-back_1024x768.png)
(http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=4749743&d=1344380867)
(http://musclemecca.com/imported-images/2006/11/colemanyateslatspreadfront-1.jpg)
(http://muscle-insider.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/node-gallery-display/yates_coleman_front.jpg)
(http://musclemecca.com/imported-images/2006/11/colemanyateshandwrist-1.jpg)
(http://musclemecca.com/imported-images/2006/11/colemanyatessidechest-1.jpg)
(http://musclemecca.com/imported-images/2006/11/colemanyatessidetricep-1.jpg)
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It looks good on Dorian because his smaller arms and larger lats. Ronnie has larger arms and larger lats. Ronnie is just too overwhelming in that shot in 2003 and 2004. His quads are massive and make Dorian look amateurish. Ronnie is too much show ready.
(http://www.pwnfitness.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/ronnie-coleman-lat-spread.jpg)
While Ronnie was huge in 03/04 his proportions were off. His calves were not good and he had a weird turnip looking leg effect going on.
He looked much better at a lighter weight - see pic below.
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d146/mmarrella/22070569551.jpg)
This Pic of Dorian is insane and the best front lat spread ever imo.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=569759.0;attach=610005;image)
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Yates had an epic lean face...
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Another pic from the 1994 European GP tour
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I'll just leave this here. Ronnie's waist photoshopped?
They said that Ronnie's best pose was the the rear lat spread...
But I think that Ronnie best pose may have been the rear double bi
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(http://musclemecca.com/imported-images/2008/10/lhleehaney23utrb4-1.jpg)
Personally I think nobody has come close to Lee haney in terms of overall quality and aesthetics during the lat spread pose. Dorian lacked the upper chest development that really caps of Lee Haneys lat Spread.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=173167.0;attach=336341;image)
This is pretty impressive though.
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(http://musclemecca.com/imported-images/2008/10/lhleehaney23utrb4-1.jpg)
Personally I think nobody has come close to Lee haney in terms of overall quality and aesthetics during the lat spread pose. Dorian lacked the upper chest development that really caps of Lee Haneys lat Spread.
I would love to be that steam.
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Borian "Tren-odor" Gates was the most impressive bodybuilder of all time - face, physique and charisma was second to none.
He carried his muscle like no other.
Was he better than Ronnie?
Only a 100000+ page thread could resolve this issue.
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i have changed my thinking over the years and actually look at them oppositely now....but still call it a draw.
Dorian is the symmetrical one, and looks more "of a piece" than Ronnie. he's not pretty, but he's better proportioned and fits together better than Ronnie.
Ronnie is just hanging muscle, it's ike he's a giant fkng penis. no fat, veins everywhere, solid muscle.
look at head size, Ronnie had a big melon, Dorian kind of a bird face...and Ronnies body looks so much biggger, he's tremendous. but the HUGE ronnie had no flow. he was like what Kai Greene wishes he was. smaller Ronnie was better IMO, but stil not good enough to beat Dorian IMO,
draw. every time.
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Dorian was great no doubt, but his lack of impressive arms kind of impacts on his overall impressiveness considering how vital well developed arms are in many poses (The lat spread being one of those poses you can take the focus away from under developed or poorly shaped arms.) Granted Dorian makes up for it ten fold with his mind blowing calves, but I would wager that most men desire well developed arms over well developed calves, and Ronnie's upper arm development was second to none.
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Dorian was great no doubt, but his lack of impressive arms kind of impacts on his overall impressiveness considering how vital well developed arms are in many poses (The lat spread being one of those poses you can take the focus away from under developed or poorly shaped arms.) Granted Dorian makes up for it ten fold with his mind blowing calves, but I would wager that most men desire well developed arms over well developed calves, and Ronnie's upper arm development was second to none.
Imagine if Yates had Mike Mattarazzo arms!
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Imagine if Yates had Mike Mattarazzo arms!
Without exception, the greatest physiques almost always have a slight noticeable flaw. Ronnie was his calves and easy to overlook, Dorian's was his arms and hard to hide. They weren't too bad to begin with but not on par with the rest of his development, but after several injuries they looked like shit.
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[q uote author=Radical Plato link=topic=569759.msg8003969#msg8003969 date=1428145605]
Without exception, the greatest physiques almost always have a slight noticeable flaw. Ronnie was his calves and easy to overlook, Dorian's was his arms and hard to hide. They went too bad to begin with but not on par with the rest of his development, but after several injuries they looked like shit.
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Also...97 was a GIFT for Dorian.. no way any objective person says he deserved to win.
Ronnie had a shaky decision or two ..but nothing like that. and when it was late in his career and time for his gifts they fucked him over
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[q uote author=Radical Plato link=topic=569759.msg8003969#msg8003969 date=1428145605]
Without exception, the greatest physiques almost always have a slight noticeable flaw. Ronnie was his calves and easy to overlook, Dorian's was his arms and hard to hide. They went too bad to begin with but not on par with the rest of his development, but after several injuries they looked like shit.
Also...97 was a GIFT for Dorian.. no way any objective person says he deserved to win.
Ronnie had a shaky decision or two ..but nothing like that. and when it was late in his career and time for his gifts they fucked him over
Flex Wheeler was in the audience in 1997 (ninja attack)
Flex said that he felt that Nasser won
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I'll just leave this here. Ronnie's waist photoshopped?
Not sure who wrote that but seriously?
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Yates looked very good on the European Grand Prix Tour in 1994
Much better than the Olympia
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:)
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Now you all made ND pissed and he is frantically going to start posting thousands of images of Dorian! :D
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Now you all made ND pissed and he is frantically going to start posting thousands of images of Dorian! :D
;D
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;D
Those pics are insane. I wouldn't say he is automatically better than Ronnie Coleman. There were times when Dorian looked better and times when Ronnie did.
However, he destroys narrow Phil Heath.
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i have changed my thinking over the years and actually look at them oppositely now....but still call it a draw.
Dorian is the symmetrical one, and looks more "of a piece" than Ronnie. he's not pretty, but he's better proportioned and fits together better than Ronnie.
Ronnie is just hanging muscle, it's ike he's a giant fkng penis. no fat, veins everywhere, solid muscle.
look at head size, Ronnie had a big melon, Dorian kind of a bird face...and Ronnies body looks so much biggger, he's tremendous. but the HUGE ronnie had no flow. he was like what Kai Greene wishes he was. smaller Ronnie was better IMO, but stil not good enough to beat Dorian IMO,
draw. every time.
Not to drop on your quotes but I like what u wrote again here,they were both impressive at lighter weights,and when they were at there biggest even though they lost some of the polish or flow they were still too damn big or conditioned to be touched.what makes yates impressive was his quads were on the slender side but carved like stone and he had narrow hips so they flowed well and still touched together and then down to a pair of calves that almost rubbed together ,crazy,,,
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They said that Ronnie's best pose was the the rear lat spread...
But I think that Ronnie best pose may have been the rear double bi
Same here.
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Now you all made ND pissed and he is frantically going to start posting thousands of images of Dorian! :D
LOL
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(https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/10435639_288706781253461_3686055998324526364_n.jpg?oh=24e9f193f612a053c03755aa71ae94f3&oe=55AFE435&__gda__=1436518915_50e0d2791d3a65f027ba8a61cb3e4d90)
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LOL
;D
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Found these a while back.
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Found these a while back.
You can tell they were done by a Ronnie fan boy , especially when their calves are the same size
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ND, please stop - I'm running out of tissues! :D
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You can tell they were done by a Ronnie fan boy , especially when their calves are the same size
;D ;D ;D
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I'm sorry, Ronnie is just on another level muscularity wise. His quads destroy Dorians.
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I'm sorry, Ronnie is just on another level muscularity wise. His quads destroy Dorians.
How is male nursing progressing (or NOT) Wiggzy ;D
No Happy Passover greetings from U, :-\ :'(
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Its funny how not a single pro looks like this anymore. Phil Heath and jay cutler at their best look(ed) awful compared to this pic of Dorian. Here he is balanced with separation and fullness/hardness. The mass game has killed quality physiques. It began with Yates but the guys nowadays have taken it to far.
It's because Yates never even tried Slin until the off season 1997.
Insulin is ruining BBing.
From Yates Himself:
There is no doubt in my mind that the widespread use of insulin all the way up until the contests to ensure maximum fullness of the muscles has been a major contributing factor to the loss of sharpness and detail. Insulin was never part of my pre-contest regimen. I did try it in my off-season preceding my final Mr. Olympia win in 1997, but I now advise against use of it at any time. Contrary to popular belief, I don’t believe it leads to any increased quality muscle gain, only water/glycogen retention. This provides an instant gratification in terms of increased bodyweight, but in my estimation it has also been preventing many of the current pros from achieving the crisp condition they would otherwise be capable of.
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You can tell they were done by a Ronnie fan boy , especially when their calves are the same size
I don't see that. Which pics are you talking about? Ronnie's calves in all of those pics are short and high. While Dorian's calves are long and thick with a diamond shape. Ronnie's calves were big, but lacked the diamond shape Dorian is displaying in all of those pics above.
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I don't see that. Which pics are you talking about? Ronnie's calves in all of those pics are short and high. While Dorian's calves are long and thick with a diamond shape. Ronnie's calves were big, but lacked the diamond shape Dorian is displaying in all of those pics above.
The ab-thigh shot and the back double biceps shot. Not only that Dorian's hips & waist are just as narrow as Ronnies and it's just not in reality.
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This is reality , 250lbs Ronnie & 255lbs Dorian
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Found these a while back.
Dorian owns this pose. Ronnie's back may be better, but he looks awkward in the FLS. Wolf is the only one who comes close.
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This is reality , 250lbs Ronnie & 255lbs Dorian
No, the reality is Ronnie 8 Mr. Os. Dorian 6. That's reality. Nice try though. Showing a prime Dorian vs. a non-prime Ronnie.
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And Phil destroys both of em anyways.
(http://www.freynutrition.info/bilder/olympia-2014/olympia-2014-heath-2.jpg)
I'm going to remember this shitty pic of Heath for a long time. It's his worst pic as Mr. O imo.
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No, the reality is Ronnie 8 Mr. Os. Dorian 6. That's reality. Nice try though. Showing a prime Dorian vs. a non-prime Ronnie.
No , You missed the point that I was making the reality of what a 255lb Ronnie looks like directly next to Dorian. The old " he has more Olympias so he's better spiel " ::) Franco Columbu has more Olympia than Flex Wheeler so that makes him better huh? ::)
That's not a ' prime ' Dorian either , Ronnie at his prime was actually less than what he weighed there. So the point stands when people create these ' comparisons ' of Ronnie from 1998 vs Dorian and , Dorian's waist & hips are smaller & Ronnies calves are just as big it shows how far from reality it is.
Ronnie 1998/2001 would look just like that compared to Dorian at around 255lbs he wouldn't be out sizing him at all. Ronnie 2003 would but the we can compare him next to Dorian at heavier weights like this shot pre-contest 1995 Mr Olympia where he's 283lbs , Ronnie 2003 was 287lbs just 5lbs heavier . So Ronnie wouldn't have a size advantage and definitely wouldn't have a conditioning advantage.
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No , You missed the point that I was making the reality of what a 255lb Ronnie looks like directly next to Dorian. The old " he has more Olympias so he's better spiel " ::) Franco Columbu has more Olympia than Flex Wheeler so that makes him better huh? ::)
That's not a ' prime ' Dorian either , Ronnie at his prime was actually less than what he weighed there. So the point stands when people create these ' comparisons ' of Ronnie from 1998 vs Dorian and , Dorian's waist & hips are smaller & Ronnies calves are just as big it shows how far from reality it is.
Ronnie 1998/2001 would look just like that compared to Dorian at around 255lbs he wouldn't be out sizing him at all. Ronnie 2003 would but the we can compare him next to Dorian at heavier weights like this shot pre-contest 1995 Mr Olympia where he's 283lbs , Ronnie 2003 was 287lbs just 5lbs heavier . So Ronnie wouldn't have a size advantage and definitely wouldn't have a conditioning advantage.
Blah, blah, blah. Compare Mr. Os against other Mr. Os. IF Ronnie was 250 there (he wasn't), it's a different looking 250 than 98-01. Bottom line is Dorian's best is not better than Ronnie's best AND Ronnie has two more Mr. Os. Ronnie is just better. He's not even my favorite and I can see he's just better than Dorian overall.
I don't care about Dorian precontest shots only what he looked like onstage showtime. The largest he came into show in 97, he looked like shit. Largest Ronnie came into a show 03 then 04, he dominated. It wasn't even close and it wasn't his best looks.
Dorian has Ronnie on conditioning, calves and abs. That's it. Ronnie has everything else arms, shoulders, chest, legs, AND BACK.
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Blah, blah, blah. Compare Mr. Os against other Mr. Os. IF Ronnie was 250 there (he wasn't), it's a different looking 250 than 98-01. Bottom line is Dorian's best is not better than Ronnie's best AND Ronnie has two more Mr. Os. Ronnie is just better. He's not even my favorite and I can see he's just better than Dorian overall.
I don't care about Dorian precontest shots only what he looked like onstage showtime. The largest he came into show in 97, he looked like shit. Largest Ronnie came into a show 03 then 04, he dominated. It wasn't even close and it wasn't his best looks.
Dorian has Ronnie on conditioning, calves and abs. That's it. Ronnie has everything else arms, shoulders, chest, legs, AND BACK.
Blah, blah, blah. Compare Mr. Os against other Mr. Os. IF Ronnie was 250 there (he wasn't), it's a different looking 250 than 98-01. Bottom line is Dorian's best is not better than Ronnie's best AND Ronnie has two more Mr. Os. Ronnie is just better. He's not even my favorite and I can see he's just better than Dorian overall.
You're flat out wrong period. Ronnie at the 1996 Mr Olympia was 255lbs and yes it was a different look because at the Olympia in 1998 he was 249lbs and shredded , however my point stands , Ronnie at his best 1998 is NOT going to make Dorian look small , in fact Ronnie is going to look smaller. Especially at his best he's lighter.
Bottom line is Dorian was always better than Ronnie and always has been , the claim is because he finally got into great shape could be beat Dorian? He has two more Mr Olympias? How many of those Olympias were against Dorian? ZERO
I don't care about Dorian precontest shots only what he looked like onstage showtime. The largest he came into show in 97, he looked like shit. Largest Ronnie came into a show 03 then 04, he dominated. It wasn't even close and it wasn't his best looks.
Of course you don't care about pre contest shots because it evens things out a bit in fact it doesn't because Dorian would be just as big with better conditioning ;) Dorian admitted that he could have competed much heavier and in an ever ending quest for conditioning he was burning off muscle , Dorian at 283lbs would mop the floor with ANY version of Ronnie , Dorian at 270lbs in those famous 93 precontest pics would too and Dorian's not even my favorite bodybuilder but I can see that he's just better overall
Dorian has Ronnie on conditioning, calves and abs. That's it. Ronnie has everything else arms, shoulders, chest, legs, AND BACK.
Parts don't win contests , poses do. And Dorian just has to many advantages for Ronnie , in fact anyone. Statistically Ronnie doesn't stand a chance
I've been saying this for years ;)
Dorian Yates: All Time #1
http://www.musculardevelopment.com/10344-team-md-blogs/the-mcgough-report/5414-dorian.html#.VSEsY_nF9MQ
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So there I was last Sunday afternoon digesting the “shock” of Dexter Jackson winning the Australian Grand Prix, my head filled with idle thoughts such as, When will Skype start charging for their service, Why do they say an alarm goes “off” when it clearly goes on, What was the best thing before sliced bread? Out of the corner of my eye I saw an ESPN update on spring training results and not for the first time realized that a fundamental of baseball is the recording of stats. Strangely enough my own favorite sport, football (soccer), has in recent years starting quoting stats. Previously the only stats kept were goals scored and points won, now they have list of most goal assists, most completed passes, most tackles and so on. I fully expect them to start compiling most picked noses in a stadium during a 90 minute game, while why the unfortunate gentleman with the prominent schnozzle in row 24 D at the Manchester United vs. Chelsea game would pick that nose is beyond me.
But we digress; the thought arose that maybe we should, review bodybuilding stats, starting with the most winning percentages. In conversation with my good friend Joe “Factoids” Roark who runs ironhistory.com, we decided to look at the ten most winningest bodybuilders in IFBB pro history and figure out who had the best winning percentage. Here’s how it panned out.
#1 Dorian Yates: 15 pro wins, 17 pro contests, 88.2%.
#2 Lee Haney: 11 pro wins, 16 pro contests, 68.8 %.
#3 Flex Wheeler: 16 pro wins, 32 pro contests, 50%.
#4 Jay Cutler: 15 pro wins, 31 pro contests, 48.4%.
#5 Chris Dickerson: 10 pro wins, 23 pro contests,43.5%.
#6 Ronnie Coleman: 26 pro wins, 66 pro contests, 39.4%.
#7 Kevin Levrone: 20 pro wins, 62 pro contests, 32.3%.
#8 Vince Taylor: 22 pro wins, 72 pro contests, 30.5%.
#9 Dexter Jackson: 18 pro wins, 63 pro contests, 28.6%.
#10 Chris Cormier: 11 pro wins, 72 pro contests, 15.3%.
Comments:
• Yates’ only non-winning outings were runner up spots at the 1990 Night of Champions and 1991 Mr. Olympia.
• Haney’s five non-winning outings were in his rookie year of 1983, when he snagged third spots at the Olympia, Swiss Grand Prix and World Pro and second places at the English and Swedish Grand Prixs.
• Coleman not being higher may surprise many, but from 1992 through 1997 he scored just three wins in 36 contests. His avalanche of victories didn’t take off until 1998.
• For a guy who was often criticized for inconsistency Flex Wheeler won an amazing 50% of his contests.
• Cutler’s rating is higher than Coleman’s although in their head-to-heads the latter won the first ten and the former the last six.
• Of Vince Taylor’s 22 wins, six were Masters titles (1996, ’97, ’99, 2000 and ‘01 Olympia and 1998 Arnold Masters).
Thus according to the stats Dorian Yates record of 17 contests, 15 wins and two seconds put him
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So there I was last Sunday afternoon digesting the “shock” of Dexter Jackson winning the Australian Grand Prix, my head filled with idle thoughts such as, When will Skype start charging for their service, Why do they say an alarm goes “off” when it clearly goes on, What was the best thing before sliced bread? Out of the corner of my eye I saw an ESPN update on spring training results and not for the first time realized that a fundamental of baseball is the recording of stats. Strangely enough my own favorite sport, football (soccer), has in recent years starting quoting stats. Previously the only stats kept were goals scored and points won, now they have list of most goal assists, most completed passes, most tackles and so on. I fully expect them to start compiling most picked noses in a stadium during a 90 minute game, while why the unfortunate gentleman with the prominent schnozzle in row 24 D at the Manchester United vs. Chelsea game would pick that nose is beyond me.
But we digress; the thought arose that maybe we should, review bodybuilding stats, starting with the most winning percentages. In conversation with my good friend Joe “Factoids” Roark who runs ironhistory.com, we decided to look at the ten most winningest bodybuilders in IFBB pro history and figure out who had the best winning percentage. Here’s how it panned out.
#1 Dorian Yates: 15 pro wins, 17 pro contests, 88.2%.
#2 Lee Haney: 11 pro wins, 16 pro contests, 68.8 %.
#3 Flex Wheeler: 16 pro wins, 32 pro contests, 50%.
#4 Jay Cutler: 15 pro wins, 31 pro contests, 48.4%.
#5 Chris Dickerson: 10 pro wins, 23 pro contests,43.5%.
#6 Ronnie Coleman: 26 pro wins, 66 pro contests, 39.4%.
#7 Kevin Levrone: 20 pro wins, 62 pro contests, 32.3%.
#8 Vince Taylor: 22 pro wins, 72 pro contests, 30.5%.
#9 Dexter Jackson: 18 pro wins, 63 pro contests, 28.6%.
#10 Chris Cormier: 11 pro wins, 72 pro contests, 15.3%.
Comments:
• Yates’ only non-winning outings were runner up spots at the 1990 Night of Champions and 1991 Mr. Olympia.
• Haney’s five non-winning outings were in his rookie year of 1983, when he snagged third spots at the Olympia, Swiss Grand Prix and World Pro and second places at the English and Swedish Grand Prixs.
• Coleman not being higher may surprise many, but from 1992 through 1997 he scored just three wins in 36 contests. His avalanche of victories didn’t take off until 1998.
• For a guy who was often criticized for inconsistency Flex Wheeler won an amazing 50% of his contests.
• Cutler’s rating is higher than Coleman’s although in their head-to-heads the latter won the first ten and the former the last six.
• Of Vince Taylor’s 22 wins, six were Masters titles (1996, ’97, ’99, 2000 and ‘01 Olympia and 1998 Arnold Masters).
Thus according to the stats Dorian Yates record of 17 contests, 15 wins and two seconds put him
Didn't Armold only have 1 pro loss? Using that method he trumps Dorian on percentage I believe.
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Didn't Armold only have 1 pro loss? Using that method he trumps Dorian on percentage I believe.
No he lost the universe to Zane & the Olympia to Oliva
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No he lost the universe to Zane & the Olympia to Oliva
Every competitive listing I find for him has a different number of contests, but it's safe to say he comes in 1st by 0.something or an easy second.
But nobody is going to put Arnold ahead of most of that list as having a better physique on a competitive stage.
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You're flat out wrong period. Ronnie at the 1996 Mr Olympia was 255lbs and yes it was a different look because at the Olympia in 1998 he was 249lbs and shredded , however my point stands , Ronnie at his best 1998 is NOT going to make Dorian look small , in fact Ronnie is going to look smaller. Especially at his best he's lighter.
Bottom line is Dorian was always better than Ronnie and always has been , the claim is because he finally got into great shape could be beat Dorian? He has two more Mr Olympias? How many of those Olympias were against Dorian? ZERO
Of course you don't care about pre contest shots because it evens things out a bit in fact it doesn't because Dorian would be just as big with better conditioning ;) Dorian admitted that he could have competed much heavier and in an ever ending quest for conditioning he was burning off muscle , Dorian at 283lbs would mop the floor with ANY version of Ronnie , Dorian at 270lbs in those famous 93 precontest pics would too and Dorian's not even my favorite bodybuilder but I can see that he's just better overall
Parts don't win contests , poses do. And Dorian just has to many advantages for Ronnie , in fact anyone. Statistically Ronnie doesn't stand a chance
I've been saying this for years ;)
Dorian Yates: All Time #1
http://www.musculardevelopment.com/10344-team-md-blogs/the-mcgough-report/5414-dorian.html#.VSEsY_nF9MQ
I'm not wrong, you're wrong. Ronnie doesn't have to be at his best to beat Dorian. 2003 Ronnie destroys anything Dorian ever brought to the stage. Sure Dorian is in better conditions but Ronnie has 27 lbs more muscle at the same height. He dwarfs him with rugged muscle. And 252lbs 1998 Evening show Ronnie would also beat Dorian. Ronnie is more complete and more separated but Dorian is in better condition. Ronnie wins either way. As for your precontest shots, I don't care about what it ifs. If it didn't happen and they didn't show up onstage in that condition it's irrelevant.
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I'm not wrong, you're wrong. Ronnie doesn't have to be at his best to beat Dorian. 2003 Ronnie destroys anything Dorian ever brought to the stage. Sure Dorian is in better conditions but Ronnie has 27 lbs more muscle at the same height. He dwarfs him with rugged muscle. And 252lbs 1998 Evening show Ronnie would also beat Dorian. Ronnie is more complete and more separated but Dorian is in better condition. Ronnie wins either way. As for your precontest shots, I don't care about what it ifs. If it didn't happen and they didn't show up onstage in that condition it's irrelevant.
You have a bad habit of asserting people are wrong instead of proving people wrong. Being subjective neither of us are ' wrong ' especially concerning opinions. However facts are not on your side. Ronnie never came close to Dorian. Dorian easily beat Ronnie every time they competed and statistically Ronnie couldn't beat Dorian. These my friend are facts. Deal with it 8)
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You have a bad habit of asserting people are wrong instead of proving people wrong. Being subjective neither of us are ' wrong ' especially concerning opinions. However facts are not on your side. Ronnie never came close to Dorian. Dorian easily beat Ronnie every time they competed and statistically Ronnie couldn't beat Dorian. These my friend are facts. Deal with it 8)
Here are the facts Ronnie 8 Mr. Os, Dorian 6 Mr. Os.
Dorian beat Ronnie and Haney beat Dorian with 8 Mr. Os.
Deal with that.
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Here are the facts Ronnie 8 Mr. Os, Dorian 6 Mr. Os.
Dorian beat Ronnie and Haney beat Dorian with 8 Mr. Os.
Deal with that.
Again how man of those Olympia were against Dorian? ;) Zero
Haney did beat Dorian , Dorian beat Haney in the muscularity round. Dorian forced Haney into retirement ;)
Facts !!
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Again how man of those Olympia were against Dorian? ;) Zero
Haney did beat Dorian , Dorian beat Haney in the muscularity round. Dorian forced Haney into retirement ;)
Facts !!
Stop it. Haney beat Dorian end of story. Haney has 8 Mr. Os.
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Stop it. Haney beat Dorian end of story. Haney has 8 Mr. Os.
So what's that have to do with anything? Dorian beat a career best Haney in the muscularity round , Haney after facing Yates decided to retire.
We're talking at their bests , Dorian at his best would beat Haney & Ronnie at theirs. Dorian 1993 or 1995 Mr Olympia would easily beat Haney and trample bitch-tits Coleman 1998
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We're talking at their bests , Dorian at his best would beat Haney & Ronnie at theirs.
hahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahhahaaha hahaaa ;D
What in hell are you smoking and where can I get some?
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hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahaahahahaaa ;D
What in hell are you smoking and where can I get some?
Dorian not at his best beat Haney at his best in the muscularity round. ;) Dorian always beat Ronnie ;) you think with an improvement in conditioning Ronnie is going to beat a guy with much better conditioning? Not going to happen
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Haney, Yates, and Coleman had bodybuilding on lock from 1984 to 2005
That's ridiculous
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=569759.0;attach=610208;image)
Take this photo as but one example of Dorian's dominance. Calves are not shown, but is a given strength for Dorian. Dorian's lats are far thicker and more developed. Coleman's chest disappears, where as Dorian's has greater thickness and density. Coleman's delts are flat and lopsided, with vanishing traps. Forearms, which are also prominent in the pose, also go to Yates. Abs go to Yates. Coleman may have better quad separation, with a better sweep, but that's about it. Biceps are a non-issue, being they're not prominent in this pose. Dorian wins this pose easily. At a lighter weight, Coleman gets overpowered by Dorian's greater density. At a higher weight, Coleman loses out to Dorian's grainy conditioning. Moral of the story, Dorian would have Coleman's number any year.
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this thread is a joke.
dorian has thick lats
but small underdeveloped arms and smooth quads devoid of seperation in his lat spread.
same with his delts.
compare to a lat spread that has great quads and actual cuts:
look no further than Ronnie 99 at 257 pounds crushing doughian's smooth 257 pounds:
notice the striations in the quads, pecs etc.
the actual proportional arms, not twigs on a barrel. the delts bis etc.
dorian's arms disappear in a front lat spread.
great thick lats. nothing else.
no wonder his lats look good.. ::)
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No he lost the universe to Zane & the Olympia to Oliva
Didnt he also lose to Chet Yorton?
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its a joke to compare the two, even at their bests.
dorian's wide waist just doesn't compare to Ronnie's classic V taper and quad sweep.
its not dorian's fault.
he just didn't have Ronnie's genetics:
99 vs 93 and its a massacre for Ronnie.
we don't need 1800 pages to see this:
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oh and precontest?:
don't even go there :-* :-*
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its a joke to compare the two, even at their bests.
dorian's wide waist just doesn't compare to Ronnie's classic V taper and quad sweep.
its not dorian's fault.
he just didn't have Ronnie's genetics:
99 vs 93 and its a massacre for Ronnie.
we don't need 1800 pages to see this:
He didn't need Ronnie's genetics to hand him his ass for years on end. ;) he didn't need Flex's genetics or Ray's or Labradas . bad analogy.
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Didnt he also lose to Chet Yorton?
Yup but I'm not sure if he was a pro at that point
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Yup but I'm not sure if he was a pro at that point
Ah...yes, think he was amateur universe.
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this thread is a joke.
dorian has thick lats
but small underdeveloped arms and smooth quads devoid of seperation in his lat spread.
same with his delts.
compare to a lat spread that has great quads and actual cuts:
look no further than Ronnie 99 at 257 pounds crushing doughian's smooth 257 pounds:
notice the striations in the quads, pecs etc.
the actual proportional arms, not twigs on a barrel. the delts bis etc.
dorian's arms disappear in a front lat spread.
great thick lats. nothing else.
no wonder his lats look good.. ::)
This thread is a joke because the Ronnie nutt-huggers are in another Yates tread trying to convince everyone Ronnie could beat Dorian lol facts are facts , Dorian always kicked Ronnies ass and statistically he would beat him too.
leave your emotions at the door , Dorian was always better and would always beat Ronnie. ;)
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Hulkster, you gotta admit that Yates looks very impressive here:
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Hulkster, you gotta admit that Yates looks very impressive here:
Hulkster will say he looks impressive but not next to a ' prime Ronnie ' lol his story is old. Dorian at that contest would hand Haney & Ronnie their asses at the same time.
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He looks great there.
but not as good as this:
oh, and you can't say this is faked because its not bizzy lol
you know dorian was not as good when the dorian nuthuggers devoted pages and pages trying to prove that videos posted to youtube from all different sources of the 99 olympia prejudging (where Ronnie was tight as a drum) were enhanced and faked LMAO ::)
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the video footage was so overwhelming against their hero they actually tried to argue that the IFBB faked videos of the 99 olympia lol
classic.
almost as good as the photoelectric effect LOL
(for those who don't know, the photo electric effect was the phenomenon argued by dorian nuthuggers that their hero looked shitty in every pic and comparison against Ronnie but somehow looked amazing in real life, but that the same effect never applied to no other human being ever LOL)
::)
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He looks great there.
but not as good as this:
oh, and you can't say this is faked because its not bizzy lol
you know dorian was not as good when the dorian nuthuggers devoted pages and pages trying to prove that videos posted to youtube from all different sources of the 99 olympia prejudging (where Ronnie was tight as a drum) were enhanced and faked LMAO ::)
Oh remember when Kevin Horton one of the best in the business BUSTED you for using worked pictures? ;)
Hulkster fuck off with your shit kid , your shit's old and Dorian shits on Ronnie
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Hulkster will say he looks impressive but not next to a ' prime Ronnie ' lol his story is old. Dorian at that contest would hand Haney & Ronnie their asses at the same time.
Prime Dorian would make Coleman look like a marshmallow.
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the video footage was so overwhelming against their hero they actually tried to argue that the IFBB faked videos of the 99 olympia lol
classic.
almost as good as the photoelectric effect LOL
(for those who don't know, the photo electric effect was the phenomenon argued by dorian nuthuggers that their hero looked shitty in every pic and comparison against Ronnie but somehow looked amazing in real life, but that the same effect never applied to no other human being ever LOL)
::)
Photoelectric effect has a different definition in my chemistry textbook
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Prime Dorian would make Coleman look like a marshmallow.
Absolutely. Ronnie 1997 was 255lbs and soft , next year he's 249lbs and in great shape. You think an improvement in conditioning is enough to beat the man with best best conditioning in the game? lol he has nothing else to offer besides improved conditioning
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No he lost the universe to Zane & the Olympia to Oliva
IFBB Universe wasn't a pro show.Only NABBA had pro Universe at the time.The only pro IFBB contest during Arnold's time was the Olympia.And Arnold have better Olympia winning percentage than Yates-7 wins,1 runner up vs.6 wins,1 runner up.
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Oh remember when Kevin Horton one of the best in the business BUSTED you for using worked pictures? ;)
Hulkster fuck off with your shit kid , your shit's old and Dorian shits on Ronnie
Dude, Ronnie looked insane in that video. I don't know, I can't see Dorian beating that. Then again, I don't invest my life in trying to determine who was better, Ronnie or Dorian. ;) ;) ;D ;D So, perhaps I am wrong.
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Not only did Dorian never lose to Ronnie, he also never lost to Gunter.
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Not only did Dorian never lose to Ronnie, he also never lost to Gunter.
but he should have lost to Greg Kovacs lol
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Dude, Ronnie looked insane in that video. I don't know, I can't see Dorian beating that.
don't worry, no one else can either.
except ND and Mr. 1duhful lol
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but he should have lost to Greg Kovacs lol
LOL, I felt kind of bad making this comparison pic years ago.
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LOL, I felt kind of bad making this comparison pic years ago.
if the shoe fits, wear it LOL
;D
dorian in 96/97 was really bad.
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if the shoe fits, wear it LOL
;D
dorian in 96/97 was really bad.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=569759.0;attach=610214;image)
Everyone should be so bad, being he decimated the competition with ease, your hero included.
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Zane-like aesthetics.
(http://stuffpoint.com/muscle/image/406912-muscle-ronnie-coleman.jpg)
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Gayer than fighting over 20 year old pics of guys in their underwear...
Dorian hit mandatory poses better compared to early Ronnie. Later Ronnie was heavier but not better than Dorian at his best.
I'd rather have torn bis than metal hips also...haha.
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most impressive front lat spread imo goes to both haney and dorian..
at his very best ronnie was huge and when hitting the FLS each body part (except his calves and abs) looked great BUT as a separate thing,.. together his different parts didnt flaw as well as haney or dorian.. one of the most important factors in bb is the harmony between the diff. body parts..
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Zane-like aesthetics.
(http://stuffpoint.com/muscle/image/406912-muscle-ronnie-coleman.jpg)
Did that Alien growing in Ronnies Guts
Ever Escape..!!!
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He looks great there.
but not as good as this:
oh, and you can't say this is faked because its not bizzy lol
you know dorian was not as good when the dorian nuthuggers devoted pages and pages trying to prove that videos posted to youtube from all different sources of the 99 olympia prejudging (where Ronnie was tight as a drum) were enhanced and faked LMAO ::)
bring those days back
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Id rather look like a white version of flex wheeler or kevin in thier primes. Even a Cormier
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If you can't beat this guy, you're not coming close to beating Yates.
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y163/BBingDungeon/GNC%2002/23.jpg)
(http://www.fitnesspont.hu/mass-shop/picture_gallery/GNC_Pro/2002/GNC_Pro_110.jpg)
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If you can't beat this guy, you're not coming close to beating Yates.
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y163/BBingDungeon/GNC%2002/23.jpg)
(http://www.fitnesspont.hu/mass-shop/picture_gallery/GNC_Pro/2002/GNC_Pro_110.jpg)
I always liked Gunter's look. There were a few times where it all came together for him.
Like the GNC show when he beat Ronnie.
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problem was, the concensus out there was that the 'win' was nothing more than a ploy to sell olympia tickets and it worked like a charm.
when you look at the GNC show, Ronnie beat gunter in every single mandatory, even the ab and thigh: (nice taper Gunter lol)
but they wanted to elevate interest in the olympia that year, and it worked.
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^^^^^
You blind.
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problem was, the concensus out there was that the 'win' was nothing more than a ploy to sell olympia tickets and it worked like a charm.
when you look at the GNC show, Ronnie beat gunter in every single mandatory, even the ab and thigh: (nice taper Gunter lol)
but they wanted to elevate interest in the olympia that year, and it worked.
It's almost too easy, even after all these years.