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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: equipoise on May 01, 2015, 04:36:10 PM
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From my own experience with test, it gives size and thickness, but not so much of a "quality" look, that I'm going for. I look a lot better on lower test and other compounds like npp tren eq etc.
However, I am contemplating running test only from now on in the interests of health. At the same time, I am wondering what the limits of test only are for a physique. After all, if I am using steroids, I want to look somewhat impressive. Is the "quality" look only achievable with other compounds (e.g. eq primo var tren)? Or do I just need to train for a few more years and build up the muscle maturity? I am thinking of using 1 amp of test e about every 3 or 4 days (plus AI)
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I feel the same. I look thicker on test at 750mg-1 gram test but I feel as if I look better on 500mg with 350mg Tren
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For me test only sucks. Look like a bouncer or something. No veins no arm thickness no pop.
Ive ran all kinds of shit right now im my biggest And strongest. 1cc test ace 1 cc npp 1 cc mast prop mwf. Less than a gram. Im training my ass off 3-4 days a week.
Too easy to look like a slob on test only. At least add masteron. That gives a great look. You only need 300 mg a week like a tren light. Once you get below ten percent you can losen diet Up if you are training hard. Test only lefy me in a bloofy rut for my first few years.
I think having the synergy of at least two compounds is very important. The look on 750 mg test only will never be as impressive as say 300 test 300 Npp or tren whatever.
Test and gh can be amazing from what I've heard and seen. You can go far on those two. Gh puts water in right places. I mean look at all the mma guys before the crack down. They all looked fucking sick. That's the bread and butter test gh.
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I've looked good on high to low doses of test only, dependant on diet of course...
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I look like a 70 year old man on a relatively low dose of test, but I don't care because it makes me feel good. ;D
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I feel you could look great on test only, given you have the base of muscle. Just add more AI if you want to look dryer. I know some freaks who run test only majority of the time (we're talking grams though) and they also have GH in the mix as stated before, so there's that. But I think a gram of test with the right amount of adex or letro can have you looking how you want.
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I done my 1st show as a jnr on 3ml or virimone(prop) a week, one of the guys who did the same show was showing me backstage pics we had together recently, looked pretty good, 210 lbs... Altho we both wished looking back that we had more goodies, of course there was no tren at that time available
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I feel you could look great on test only, given you have the base of muscle. Just add more AI if you want to look dryer. I know some freaks who run test only majority of the time (we're talking grams though) and they also have GH in the mix as stated before, so there's that. But I think a gram of test with the right amount of adex or letro can have you looking how you want.
Well said.
Most just don't have the base though to use such advice and gotta break out the big guns right away as they wanted it all yesterday...
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if the diet is on point plus an ai you can look very good, no need for tren
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For me test only sucks. Look like a bouncer or something. No veins no arm thickness no pop.
Ive ran all kinds of shit right now im my biggest And strongest. 1cc test ace 1 cc npp 1 cc mast prop mwf. Less than a gram. Im training my ass off 3-4 days a week.
Too easy to look like a slob on test only. At least add masteron. That gives a great look. You only need 300 mg a week like a tren light. Once you get below ten percent you can losen diet Up if you are training hard. Test only lefy me in a bloofy rut for my first few years.
I think having the synergy of at least two compounds is very important. The look on 750 mg test only will never be as impressive as say 300 test 300 Npp or tren whatever.
Test and gh can be amazing from what I've heard and seen. You can go far on those two. Gh puts water in right places. I mean look at all the mma guys before the crack down. They all looked fucking sick. That's the bread and butter test gh.
I have heard that using mast too long makes you more likely to have tendon tears. and i'd rather not use GH tbh. I'm afraid of the heart and organ enlarging effects from long term use. The risk is there with AAS, but adding GH only accentuates it
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Most of the year on on small amount test and AI. if diet is tight u can look badass but there are limits...
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Most of the year on on small amount test and AI. if diet is tight u can look badass but there are limits...
Am I right in saying that you have to use hormones consistently? I actually go off for super long periods (like 6 months+) and I find that I lose a lot of mass
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I'm not going to come off I just get blood work it's easier than coming off and looking like shit for a few months my cycles From my first were 8weeks then 12 then 16 then 20+weeks and I finally sed fuck man pct doesn't work for keeping gains Mayb for natural test levels and I lose all my damn gains every time so igot on here learned how to do blood work and preventative health shit and now I stay a little jacked up all year 8) and I can build constantly
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What about running 250mgs of Test Enanthate a week, indefintely? Can you look pretty good on this, if you have a good natural base?
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That's what I do just started last year and I am blasting now so we will see that dosage will hold the new outcome of muscle mass I end up with after all this I may have to cruise in 300-400 which is what i thought I was on but I was on underdosed test was actually about 200mgs weekly and I gained and looked bigger if I drop calories I lean up and veins come out low doses test for long periods for the gym rat is pretty safe and flexible with what u want to do.
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That's what I do just started last year and I am blasting now so we will see that dosage will hold the new outcome of muscle mass I end up with after all this I may have to cruise in 300-400 which is what i thought I was on but I was on underdosed test was actually about 200mgs weekly and I gained and looked bigger if I drop calories I lean up and veins come out low doses test for long periods for the gym rat is pretty safe and flexible with what u want to do.
What do you blast with? I was doing some research and came to the conclusion that all the other anabolics are unhealthy. I have a lot of tren with me, but I am still debating whether I should use it this summer or not.
Not like high dose test is 100% safe, but it is a natural hormone to the male body and is probably the healthiest out of all the options.
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Right now deca NPP and dbol playing with adding about 300mgs of TRen ace a week and drop the npp im on
test e @750-1000
Deca @600-900
Npp @300-400weekly
Dbol 40mgs a day every other month but this is probobly the most I've ever done at once it's hitting like a train and I'm growing and changing at a good pace for me I look great staying lean somewhat and I feel awesome strong sweating at nights now that the deca has been going on for bout 6-7weeks
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If you start from 6%, you will look very good.
If you start from 12%, you will look like shit.
Period.
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If you start from 6%, you will look very good.
If you start from 12%, you will look like shit.
Period.
Good point. Test isn't forgiving. I was perma bulking with it you can't do that. On test mast Npp I can eatt cookies every day and have a chest meal every day and it doesn't destroy my physique it helps me grow. If I ate pizza on 750 mg test only in would be bloated for the next 3-4 days.
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I stay on test only most of the year too except during summer time I add in Tren and this upcoming winter I may or may not finally try Deca
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I stay on test only most of the year too except during summer time I add in Tren and this upcoming winter I may or may not finally try Deca
BFG on here wrote about the best way to use deca: http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=461454.0. YOu might want to try it out
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BFG on here wrote about the best way to use deca: http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=461454.0. YOu might want to try it out
Yeah I saw but I don't think I would be taking high doses like that. I've never gone over a gram of test
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Yeah I saw but I don't think I would be taking high doses like that. I've never gone over a gram of test
I honestly think that the permanent physiological changes come from blasting high doses for a while. The key is to blast for a couple of years while you're young (and your body can handle it) and then maintain with lower doses. That's the impression I get anyway. Kind of like how levrone bulked hard during his early years. and then after that relied on muscle memory. I don't think it would have worked as well if he had run moderate doses all the way through.
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I honestly think that the permanent physiological changes come from blasting high doses for a while. The key is to blast for a couple of years while you're young (and your body can handle it) and then maintain with lower doses. That's the impression I get anyway. Kind of like how levrone bulked hard during his early years. and then after that relied on muscle memory. I don't think it would have worked as well if he had run moderate doses all the way through.
I'll think about it. I'm only 19atm so I was thinking of waiting to use really high doses around 22-23 which is probably when I'll start to compete in physique
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I am probable much older (well I am) than most of you guys so it is interesting to hear the different combinations of stuff being taking. Specially testosterone. Back in my time, which was the mid 70s and up, most of what was used (by me and others) was Deca-Durabolin, Primobolan Depot (which was my favorite) and Ciba Dianabol. Those were the simple combinations that were cycled through the year. Never testosterone. That was for the power lifters.
But then again AS's were much easier to get and it was all pharmaceutical grade products. Still I enjoy listening and hearing about the new things being used for physical enhancement.
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The drugs back then had to b way stronger and behave differently from the way everybody talks.
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Yes pestosterone they did. Because they were real pharmaceutical grade products.
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If you start from 6%, you will look very good.
If you start from 12%, you will look like shit.
Period.
Pfff, not true at all.
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Pfff, not true at all.
Well that really depends on what someone's definition of looking good is.
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Re- young bodybuilders.... I think too many now are too concerned with looking good all the time to make big advances
Your not going to make large bodyweight increases staying ripped all year unless you can afford to take boatloads of drugs, I'm not saying get realy fat, but have a longterm goal in mind, forgett about being vascular, don't whinge about being bloated etc etc
You can make huge leaps in late teens and early 20's, I took my stage weight from 14.st to 16.7 in 2 yrs
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Your not going to make large bodyweight increases staying ripped all year unless you can afford to take boatloads of drugs
What is in Your opinion "boatloads of drugs" You know... it can be relative concept :P Blasting Tren year round for example?
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Growing lean, making those kind of jumps would need gh and grams of gear etc etc.... Where it could be done with food and much less goodies...
Put it this way, if you cant get an advanced bodyweight this way this sport isn't for you, you might as well go back to being lean and looking the same yr round
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This is a great post.
I am in my early 30s, been on test for TRT since 26-27. Blasted 600mg the highest.
Never achieved a look i wanted on just test. The ONLY time i looked how i wanted on test, was around 8-10 percent bf. I agree that test is not giving the look most guys want. And for health reasons i will likely never touch tren or deca or many orals.
What i have learned so far is that cutting with high test is a waste. I always end near the same weight whether i use 200 or 600mg test. My plan now is to cut with low test TRt levels and thne when i get low enough, i will use more test and try to stay lean. Ive never "bulked" with AAS, only TRt.
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This is a great post.
I am in my early 30s, been on test for TRT since 26-27. Blasted 600mg the highest.
Never achieved a look i wanted on just test. The ONLY time i looked how i wanted on test, was around 8-10 percent bf. I agree that test is not giving the look most guys want. And for health reasons i will likely never touch tren or deca or many orals.
What i have learned so far is that cutting with high test is a waste. I always end near the same weight whether i use 200 or 600mg test. My plan now is to cut with low test TRt levels and thne when i get low enough, i will use more test and try to stay lean. Ive never "bulked" with AAS, only TRt.
i agree on that fact that you have to be low bodyfat to look good on loads of test... however you can look fucking insane on a gram of test when youre 7-8% bodyfat. you just gotta have the mass (which is easier acquired with stacks of course).
however i DO NOT agree on the high test on a cut is a waste thing...
the more test you use during cuts the faster you lose fat. and this is REALLY noticable...
maybe you dont notice that since you use lower dosages...
500mg test do not give a significant fat burning advantage for me, but doses upwards of 1g DO.
its REALLY noticable... you lose weight (yes, weight. use an AI of course) and fat much faster on 1.5g test or so compared to lower dosages...
talking about test only here, not stacked.
for me test is also the best AAS to cut...
ill probably only run test only cuts from now on (maybe throw in some dht derivative here and there)...
tren makes me so hungry that cutting essentially takes just as long or even longer when i blast high tren, because ill just pig out regularly and theres no way around it, while on high test i can just starve myself (with appetite suppressants and fat burners) and cut up quickly...
but high test is a great bang for the buck... masteron is too expensive for the small boost it gives.
NPP might be an option, but only really gives more muscle retention and no fat burning advantage because of lacking androgenic activity..
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i agree on that fact that you have to be low bodyfat to look good on loads of test... however you can look fucking insane on a gram of test when youre 7-8% bodyfat. you just gotta have the mass (which is easier acquired with stacks of course).
however i DO NOT agree on the high test on a cut is a waste thing...
the more test you use during cuts the faster you lose fat. and this is REALLY noticable...
maybe you dont notice that since you use lower dosages...
500mg test do not give a significant fat burning advantage for me, but doses upwards of 1g DO.
its REALLY noticable... you lose weight (yes, weight. use an AI of course) and fat much faster on 1.5g test or so compared to lower dosages...
talking about test only here, not stacked.
for me test is also the best AAS to cut...
ill probably only run test only cuts from now on (maybe throw in some dht derivative here and there)...
tren makes me so hungry that cutting essentially takes just as long or even longer when i blast high tren, because ill just pig out regularly and theres no way around it, while on high test i can just starve myself (with appetite suppressants and fat burners) and cut up quickly...
but high test is a great bang for the buck... masteron is too expensive for the small boost it gives.
NPP might be an option, but only really gives more muscle retention and no fat burning advantage because of lacking androgenic activity..
How is your hair on 1g+ of test? Test gives me a lot of strength and size very fast, but I am afraid of having premature balding because of it. Last test blast I didn't lost any hair, but I am still scared of it slowly shedding more than it naturally would. Which is why I am using npp now in the interests of being hair safe
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How is your hair on 1g+ of test? Test gives me a lot of strength and size very fast, but I am afraid of having premature balding because of it. Last test blast I didn't lost any hair, but I am still scared of it slowly shedding more than it naturally would. Which is why I am using npp now in the interests of being hair safe
no hair loss to note here ever honestly...
ive ran test, tren, mast, anadrol, methyltren, pure DHT, etc etc, pretty much the most androgenic shit you could imagine and never noticed hair loss... and thats in the multiple gram range... no recerding hair line, never noticed hair falling out faster than normal...
BUT i guess im pretty much immune to DHT sides in general, because i neither get acne (only a few zits from high estrogen), nor hair loss BUT
also no insane libido or mad back/beard hair growth. of course beard, chest and back hair grow much faster, especially when im on tren. but nothing crazy...
i only started growing a full beard and signficant chest/back hair when i first touched AAS too. i guess i dont have many DHT receptors and DHT conversion in general.
on the other hand my buddy broke out like crazy when he first touched test, now when hes blasting he has to shave twice daily, his whole body is completely covered in hair and he looks like a bear.
BUT he also does NOT lose his head hair.
i guess even if youre prone to DHT then hair loss does not always occur. probably really depends on LOCAL reductase acvtivity / receptors etc.
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Tren and mast thinned my hair but I'm destined ide say I got till im 40 till my hair looks stupid then I'll just shave it fuck it I'll b old and scary then anyway
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no hair loss to note here ever honestly...
ive ran test, tren, mast, anadrol, methyltren, pure DHT, etc etc, pretty much the most androgenic shit you could imagine and never noticed hair loss... and thats in the multiple gram range... no recerding hair line, never noticed hair falling out faster than normal...
BUT i guess im pretty much immune to DHT sides in general, because i neither get acne (only a few zits from high estrogen), nor hair loss BUT
also no insane libido or mad back/beard hair growth. of course beard, chest and back hair grow much faster, especially when im on tren. but nothing crazy...
i only started growing a full beard and signficant chest/back hair when i first touched AAS too. i guess i dont have many DHT receptors and DHT conversion in general.
on the other hand my buddy broke out like crazy when he first touched test, now when hes blasting he has to shave twice daily, his whole body is completely covered in hair and he looks like a bear.
BUT he also does NOT lose his head hair.
i guess even if youre prone to DHT then hair loss does not always occur. probably really depends on LOCAL reductase acvtivity / receptors etc.
Do you think it's age related? There are a lot of bodybuilders who run shit loads of stuff and have great hair in their 20s, and when they get older it seems to slowly catch up to them. Kind of like how arnold kept his hair for ages, and now in his 60s has a receded hairline
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I think the most important thing about hair is GENETICS. You can start balding in Your 20's without use any AAS and You can have afro while abusing grams of AAS in Your 40's, 50's.
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Well that really depends on what someone's definition of looking good is.
my pics are on the site here, test only. Tell me what you think.
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my pics are on the site here, test only. Tell me what you think.
Did you build your physique with test only? Or did you throw in a lot of other goodies along the way? I know a lot of guys who say that they're currently on x mg of test a week, but when you ask them, they used all sorts of other stuff like dbol, drol, tren, deca etc. to build mass. So it's not really accurate to say that their physique is due to test, it's more that they built their physique with test + other compounds and then are now just maintaining with test
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I think you can look decent or pretty good on just testosterone alone based on 2 factors. Diet and genetics. That's it, if your diet is shit or you have shit genetics you will need More than just testosterone to look as good as someone on test only who's diet and genetics are good. I think I respond pretty well to gear other than getting some back acne but my diet isn't on point and I just hired a contest prep coach to get me down to 7-8% within the next 6-8 weeks. I always look nice and thick now on Testosterone or Sustanon alone, and about 2 weeks ago added Tren and loving it.
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Do you think it's age related? There are a lot of bodybuilders who run shit loads of stuff and have great hair in their 20s, and when they get older it seems to slowly catch up to them. Kind of like how arnold kept his hair for ages, and now in his 60s has a receded hairline
well, its all genetic. if youre NATURAL then yeah age plays a strong role...
but with age conversion to DHT in general DEcreases and conversion to estrogen INcreases. thats a fact. but estrogen also plays a role in hair loss.
its all genetic, i dont know. if youre prone youll get it - early.
if youre not prone you wont get it any earlier from roiding your ass off.
with age most bald to a certain degree anyway. but that is probably related to other hormones than steroids. maybe less GH and the likes, idk.
Did you build your physique with test only? Or did you throw in a lot of other goodies along the way? I know a lot of guys who say that they're currently on x mg of test a week, but when you ask them, they used all sorts of other stuff like dbol, drol, tren, deca etc. to build mass. So it's not really accurate to say that their physique is due to test, it's more that they built their physique with test + other compounds and then are now just maintaining with test
you can certainly build a high caliber physique with (grams of) test only. with GH and slin at least.
to get competition level conditioning youll need different stuff.
to just be extremely big / ripped test+gh(+slin) is enough
without GH and slin? nah, not so much. with good genetics you can look awe inspiring, but not insane.
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Did you build your physique with test only? Or did you throw in a lot of other goodies along the way? I know a lot of guys who say that they're currently on x mg of test a week, but when you ask them, they used all sorts of other stuff like dbol, drol, tren, deca etc. to build mass. So it's not really accurate to say that their physique is due to test, it's more that they built their physique with test + other compounds and then are now just maintaining with test
TEst only bro. Used 12 weeks of dbal when I was 23 (15 years ago) and that muscle was lost after all the dumb shit I did. The other time I added an inject for a complete cycle was the following cycle, which I had real upjohn winject ($400 the bottle..)
That was a hell of a long time ago, gave me a temporary look when you think of it. I used 100mg eod winject. 600mg prop/week.
Everything below was tried after the pics....
Tried deca, bofff, for a few extra lbs, was not worth using, tried it, will not use again, nothing was gained.
Never used tren, ever.
I have used say some dbal for like 3ish weeks off and on though to gain back lost size but never over 40mg.
25mg of anadrol for like 10 days would be "use" for me. was too chicken to go to 50mg, lol...
Will say this again, my natural base was damn good, better than most on gear and is why I am hard on pics as I don't see much merit for guys using so much shit and looking so average.
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TEst only bro. Used 12 weeks of dbal when I was 23 (15 years ago) and that muscle was lost after all the dumb shit I did. The other time I added an inject for a complete cycle was the following cycle, which I had real upjohn winject ($400 the bottle..)
That was a hell of a long time ago, gave me a temporary look when you think of it. I used 100mg eod winject. 600mg prop/week.
Everything below was tried after the pics....
Tried deca, bofff, for a few extra lbs, was not worth using, tried it, will not use again, nothing was gained.
Never used tren, ever.
I have used say some dbal for like 3ish weeks off and on though to gain back lost size but never over 40mg.
25mg of anadrol for like 10 days would be "use" for me. was too chicken to go to 50mg, lol...
Will say this again, my natural base was damn good, better than most on gear and is why I am hard on pics as I don't see much merit for guys using so much shit and looking so average.
Lol id hate for u to see what i look like then. I use low doses though, hell even my wife is like "why use if your just gonna be a pussy about it, go big or dont go at all" haha
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Lol id hate for u to see what i look like then. I use low doses though, hell even my wife is like "why use if your just gonna be a pussy about it, go big or dont go at all" haha
half of getbig got hard thinking of having a woman that cool!
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Lolol
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Lol id hate for u to see what i look like then. I use low doses though, hell even my wife is like "why use if your just gonna be a pussy about it, go big or dont go at all" haha
You tell your wife you use? What if you divorce and she uses it as ammunition against you? "my husband is violent, he uses steroids and has roid rage"
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U can not b married and her not know u use aas, that would b a giant pain in the ass to cover up never would work. Not for long
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U can not b married and her not know u use aas, that would b a giant pain in the ass to cover up never would work. Not for long
This. I only mainly use medical perscribed meds so even if that WAS to happen, im covered legally. But i know my wife and she isnt the type to be irrational about. She has played arojnd with her fair share of goodies too
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I look fine on Test only. The only difference on Test is i hold a small amount of water, but it's not really a big deal.
The only time i really looked different was when i was running Prop/Winny/Mast for 8 weeks and i looked extremely tight.
I've been down to 5-6% BF on 1g of Test only, no AI's.
It all depends on how your body responds to it. Very little bloat for me on Test only. Deca is what bloats me up something crazy.
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From my own experience with test, it gives size and thickness, but not so much of a "quality" look, that I'm going for. I look a lot better on lower test and other compounds like npp tren eq etc.
However, I am contemplating running test only from now on in the interests of health. At the same time, I am wondering what the limits of test only are for a physique. After all, if I am using steroids, I want to look somewhat impressive. Is the "quality" look only achievable with other compounds (e.g. eq primo var tren)? Or do I just need to train for a few more years and build up the muscle maturity? I am thinking of using 1 amp of test e about every 3 or 4 days (plus AI)
I wouldn't stress on it you can still look awesome on just Test cyp once or twice a week say 400mg of human grade a week I would try to use some legit anavar on top of the Testosterone or winstrol, probably winstrol would be the better choice as nobody counterfeits winstrol like they do Anavar, Test cyp 400mg a week and 100mg winstrol daily you willl look great!
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I wouldn't stress on it you can still look awesome on just Test cyp once or twice a week say 400mg of human grade a week I would try to use some legit anavar on top of the Testosterone or winstrol, probably winstrol would be the better choice as nobody counterfeits winstrol like they do Anavar, Test cyp 400mg a week and 100mg winstrol daily you willl look great!
Doesn't the winstrol kill your cholesterol levels?