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Getbig Main Boards => Politics and Political Issues Board => Topic started by: 240 is Back on June 09, 2015, 11:48:04 AM
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what do ya think?
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what do ya think?
if they're Republicans yes.
if they're Democrats then no.
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if they're Republicans yes.
if they're Democrats then no.
Well, one of the liberal-leaning candidates in the 2016 race believes unwed mothers should be publicly shamed.
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what do ya think?
just curious, what prompted you to ask this question?
just a random thought you had or something else?
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Well, one of the liberal-leaning candidates in the 2016 race believes unwed mothers should be publicly shamed.
If you shame the unwed mother, should you stone the sperm donor?
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just curious, what prompted you to ask this question?
just a random thought you had or something else?
Someone else. I don't agree with it. But it's jow Jeb Bush felt.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/09/jeb-bush-1995-book_n_7542964.html
Wrote about it in his book, and allowed some legislation as Gov which forced single mothers to put their names in print in local newspapers.
He said we should shame them, then as governor, he required them to be shamed, by law.
We all know repubs can't win unless they win with women... and I don't know how women feel about this.
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Someone else. I don't agree with it. But it's jow Jeb Bush felt.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/09/jeb-bush-1995-book_n_7542964.html
Wrote about it in his book, and allowed some legislation as Gov which forced single mothers to put their names in print in local newspapers.
He said we should shame them, then as governor, he required them to be shamed, by law.
We all know repubs can't win unless they win with women... and I don't know how women feel about this.
last time I checked it was not a crime to have a child out of wedlock and also no ones fucking business either.
Is this the same Jeb Bush who bitched about the media covering his daughters arrest and court appearance for various drug charges?
I wonder if a nice healthy dose of government sponsored public shaming would be helpful for drug addicts
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yes, that's why the Scarlett Letter was written and used.
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last time I checked it was not a crime to have a child out of wedlock and also no ones fucking business either.
Is this the same Jeb Bush who bitched about the media covering his daughters arrest and court appearance for various drug charges?
I wonder if a nice healthy dose of government sponsored public shaming would be helpful for drug addicts
Wouldn't surprise me. Haven't yet read the article and hadn't heard this story - but Jeb Bush is hardly one to criticize others for failed parenting, if that's what he's doing. His daughter being a crack addict (a rich-girl one, at that) doesn't allow for it. Sorry.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/09/jeb-bush-1995-book_n_7542964.html
wrote about it, then allowed legislation which printed single mamas names in local newspaper. Not the same as an "A" on forehead, but in the information age, it's about the same thing. Google her forever, and you see her single-mama ass coming up.
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Looks like he tried to throw his weight around to keep the media off his daughter's story, too.
So he's a failed leader in his own household, and he's a hypocrite on multiple fronts. Got it.
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yes, especially if their kids' father(s) were killed while dealing heroine and/or steroids
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Looks like he tried to throw his weight around to keep the media off his daughter's story, too.
So he's a failed leader in his own household, and he's a hypocrite on multiple fronts. Got it.
It's a dumb policy idea, but he's not "a failed leader in his own household" simply because his kid did something stupid. I know lots of good parents whose kids do stupid stuff. It's a part of growing up.
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It's a dumb policy idea, but he's not "a failed leader in his own household" simply because his kid did something stupid. I know lots of good parents whose kids do stupid stuff. It's a part of growing up.
Pardon me, but are you saying that forging prescriptions for dangerous drugs and smoking crack in rehab are "a part of growing up"?
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...you wouldn't be defending this simply because Jeb is a Republican, would you, DE?
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Pardon me, but are you saying that forging prescriptions for dangerous drugs and smoking crack in rehab are "a part of growing up"?
For some kids, yes. "Stupid stuff" doesn't really have boundaries. Some kids go farther off the reservation than others.
I used to think like you until I started to hang around parents, talk to them, and see the things some kids do, despite good parenting.
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...you wouldn't be defending this simply because Jeb is a Republican, would you, DE?
Of course not. His political affiliation doesn't have anything to do with whether or not he was a good or bad parent.
And I'm not really defending him. He might have been a lousy parent. He might have been a great parent. What I'm saying is you cannot judge whether or not someone was a bad parent solely based on what their kid may or may not do. Oftentimes it is a good indicator, but not always.
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For some kids, yes. "Stupid stuff" doesn't really have boundaries. Some kids go farther off the reservation than others.
I used to think like you until I started to hang around parents, talk to them, and see the things some kids do, despite good parenting.
If the person hasn't grown to understand/respect boundaries, yeah.
That's the one thing that lands squarely on the parents, though. No denying it. This girl was acting like there's no such thing as boundaries...so you tell me.
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If the person hasn't grown to understand/respect boundaries, yeah.
That's the one thing that lands squarely on the parents, though. No denying it. This girl was acting like there's no such thing as boundaries...so you tell me.
Kids don't typically fully mature until they are in their mid to late 20s, so it's not uncommon at all for teenagers and young adults to do stupid things, including not respecting boundaries.
Training kids lands squarely on the parents. Whether kids actually apply good training is on the kids, not the parents.
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Kids don't typically fully mature until they are in their mid to late 20s, so it's not uncommon at all for teenagers and young adults to do stupid things, including not respecting boundaries.
Training kids lands squarely on the parents. Whether kids actually apply good training is on the kids, not the parents.
If only it were that simple, I'd say. The idea is to make sure the kids understand why they need to respect boundaries, if there's any expectation for them to go out and do that.
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I wonder if there's a history of drug abuse with him and/or Columba.
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If only it were that simple, I'd say. The idea is to make sure the kids understand why they need to respect boundaries, if there's any expectation for them to go out and do that.
Sometimes parents do provide good training about understanding and respecting boundaries, but the kids still cross the line. That's partly what makes parenting a difficult job.
If you talk to most any parent, they will tell you that about WTF moments they have had with their kids, where the kids do things that cut directly against how they were raised. Happens all the time.
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I wonder if there's a history of drug abuse with him and/or Columba.
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Yeah, that's pretty good. Just read up a bit on her, and it's said the smuggling was attempted because she was trying to hide how much she spent from Jeb.
She has a fairly interesting background, if media is to be believed (if they're not playing things up, like they do/did with Barack's background).
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Sometimes parents do provide good training about understanding and respecting boundaries, but the kids still cross the line. That's partly what makes parenting a difficult job.
If you talk to most any parent, they will tell you that about WTF moments they have had with their kids, where the kids do things that cut directly against how they were raised. Happens all the time.
So you wouldn't be so quick to question his intent as a parent, but you wouldn't deny his daughter being in that predicament is an indicator of failure on his part. Isn't that true?
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So you wouldn't be so quick to question his intent as a parent, but you wouldn't deny his daughter being in that predicament is an indicator of failure on his part. Isn't that true?
I have no idea how he raised his kid. A kid doing really bad things can be an indicator of failed parenting, but can also be an indicator of a knucklehead who had good training and chose to do stupid things.
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I have no idea how he raised his kid. A kid doing really bad things can be an indicator of failed parenting, but can also be an indicator of a knucklehead who had good training and chose to do stupid things.
A stupid person, you mean?
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A stupid person, you mean?
Not necessarily. Smart people do stupid things.
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Not necessarily. Smart people do stupid things.
So the chick was running around snorting pills, smoking crack, and so much more if that's any indication. An absolute, total wreck and a zombie 24/7.
Wouldn't you agree, there would be a very distinct path that led to the condition?
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So the chick was running around snorting pills, smoking crack, and so much more if that's any indication. An absolute, total wreck and a zombie 24/7.
Wouldn't you agree, there would be a very distinct path that led to the condition?
Bum wouldn't (pretend?) to be so confused if her parents weren't christian and republican
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what do ya think?
No, but they should be counseled by other single mothers who are struggling to make ends meet and schooled on how difficult life can be when you make bad choices... choices that impact you and your child for 20+ years.
Shaming them would not work because "shame" is an outmoded concept today. I was just talking about this at a dinner party last night. The talk turned to politics and the candidates running for office. I mentioned that if my brother had been President of the United States and taken the country into an unnecessary war killing thousands of Americans, maiming tens of thousands, destroying our economy, and presided over the collapse of the banking, insurance, housing, automobile industries, etc. I would be so ashamed I would never show my face in public again. The last thing I would ever think of doing is running for President. But that's just me. Obviously, not everyone feel that way. Most people in the room happen to agree with me, but they also agreed that shame is not something most people feel today. :-[
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No, but they should be counseled by other single mothers who are struggling to make ends meet and schooled on how difficult life can be when you make bad choices... choices that impact you and your child for 20+ years.
Shaming them would not work because "shame" is an outmoded concept today. I was just talking about this at a dinner party last night. The talk turned to politics and the candidates running for office. I mentioned that if my brother had been President of the United States and taken the country into an unnecessary war killing thousands of Americans, maiming tens of thousands, destroying our economy, and presided over the collapse of the banking, insurance, housing, automobile industries, etc. I would be so ashamed I would never show my face in public again. The last thing I would ever think of doing is running for President. But that's just me. Obviously, not everyone feel that way. Most people in the room happen to agree with me, but they also agreed that shame is not something most people feel today. :-[
I'm sure it was quite a gay affair.
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Shaming them would not work because "shame" is an outmoded concept today. I was just talking about this at a dinner party last night. The talk turned to politics and the candidates running for office.
life experience teaches us things. I used to be 100% anti-drug as a youth. Then, seeing many people die over the years, I've come to believe that medical marijuana - eating a piece of chocolate each morning - can ease suffering for people whose only options are to suffer, or die. So I've evolved. Jeb, with his daughter drug abuse and wife smuggling blues... you'd think he would realize real life isn't theory, isn't something to be mocked. Shit does happen.
(granted, the loudest proponents of medicinal weed are usually those who are perfectly healthy and already smoking daily, just hoping to get better prices and less arrests lol)
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life experience teaches us things. I used to be 100% anti-drug as a youth. Then, seeing many people die over the years, I've come to believe that medical marijuana - eating a piece of chocolate each morning - can ease suffering for people whose only options are to suffer, or die. So I've evolved. Jeb, with his daughter drug abuse and wife smuggling blues... you'd think he would realize real life isn't theory, isn't something to be mocked. Shit does happen.
(granted, the loudest proponents of medicinal weed are usually those who are perfectly healthy and already smoking daily, just hoping to get better prices and less arrests lol)
Interesting but what does this have to do with shaming? Again, trying to make someone feel shame, embarrassment, or humiliation does not work in an internet era when plunging necklines, appearing nude in photo spreads, and making your own sex tape is the norm. Shaming does not work. What might work is showing young women how hard life is when you have a child to support and no money to provide for yourself and your baby because you have no job, no skills, no degree and, except or flipping burgers at Mc Donald's, every door in life is closed to you. If you see that as your future it might stop you from making a bad choice.
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So the chick was running around snorting pills, smoking crack, and so much more if that's any indication. An absolute, total wreck and a zombie 24/7.
Wouldn't you agree, there would be a very distinct path that led to the condition?
There is a distinct path that leads to every condition.
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Jeb Bush forced single mothers publish sexual histories in Florida newspapers.
(HuffPo) As governor of Florida in 2001, Bush had the opportunity to test his theory on public shaming. He declined to veto a very controversial bill that required single mothers who did not know the identity of the father to publish their sexual histories in a newspaper before they could legally put their babies up for adoption. He later signed a repeal of the so-called "Scarlet Letter" law in 2003 after it was successfully challenged in court.
and he's doubling down on this!
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Can confirm shaming doesn't work. Hell this board has people that cry like bitches over other people doing the same thing that they do, lmao. No shame whatsoever.
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Can confirm shaming doesn't work. Hell this board has people that cry like bitches over other people doing the same thing that they do, lmao. No shame whatsoever.
LOL - the fact that you continue to show up here is proof that shaming and humiliation does not work