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Should unwed mothers be publicly shamed?
« on: June 09, 2015, 11:48:04 AM »
what do ya think?

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Re: Should unwed mothers be publicly shamed?
« Reply #1 on: June 09, 2015, 01:54:48 PM »
what do ya think?

if they're Republicans yes.

if they're Democrats then no.


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Re: Should unwed mothers be publicly shamed?
« Reply #2 on: June 09, 2015, 02:08:23 PM »
if they're Republicans yes.

if they're Democrats then no.



Well, one of the liberal-leaning candidates in the 2016 race believes unwed mothers should be publicly shamed.


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Re: Should unwed mothers be publicly shamed?
« Reply #3 on: June 09, 2015, 03:44:03 PM »
what do ya think?

just curious, what prompted you to ask this question?

just a random thought you had or something else?

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Re: Should unwed mothers be publicly shamed?
« Reply #4 on: June 09, 2015, 03:47:05 PM »
Well, one of the liberal-leaning candidates in the 2016 race believes unwed mothers should be publicly shamed.



If you shame the unwed mother, should you stone the sperm donor?

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Re: Should unwed mothers be publicly shamed?
« Reply #5 on: June 09, 2015, 04:05:54 PM »
just curious, what prompted you to ask this question?

just a random thought you had or something else?

Someone else.  I don't agree with it.  But it's jow Jeb Bush felt.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/09/jeb-bush-1995-book_n_7542964.html

Wrote about it in his book, and allowed some legislation as Gov which forced single mothers to put their names in print in local newspapers. 

He said we should shame them, then as governor, he required them to be shamed, by law. 

We all know repubs can't win unless they win with women... and I don't know how women feel about this.

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Re: Should unwed mothers be publicly shamed?
« Reply #6 on: June 09, 2015, 04:34:48 PM »
Someone else.  I don't agree with it.  But it's jow Jeb Bush felt.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/09/jeb-bush-1995-book_n_7542964.html

Wrote about it in his book, and allowed some legislation as Gov which forced single mothers to put their names in print in local newspapers. 

He said we should shame them, then as governor, he required them to be shamed, by law. 

We all know repubs can't win unless they win with women... and I don't know how women feel about this.

last time I checked it was not a crime to have a child out of wedlock and also no ones fucking business either.

Is this the same Jeb Bush who bitched about the media covering his daughters arrest and court appearance for various drug charges?

I wonder if a nice healthy dose of government sponsored public shaming would be helpful for drug addicts

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Re: Should unwed mothers be publicly shamed?
« Reply #7 on: June 10, 2015, 10:20:32 AM »
yes, that's why the Scarlett Letter was written and used.
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Re: Should unwed mothers be publicly shamed?
« Reply #8 on: June 10, 2015, 11:28:22 AM »
last time I checked it was not a crime to have a child out of wedlock and also no ones fucking business either.

Is this the same Jeb Bush who bitched about the media covering his daughters arrest and court appearance for various drug charges?

I wonder if a nice healthy dose of government sponsored public shaming would be helpful for drug addicts

Wouldn't surprise me. Haven't yet read the article and hadn't heard this story - but Jeb Bush is hardly one to criticize others for failed parenting, if that's what he's doing. His daughter being a crack addict (a rich-girl one, at that) doesn't allow for it. Sorry.

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Re: Should unwed mothers be publicly shamed?
« Reply #9 on: June 10, 2015, 11:31:08 AM »
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/09/jeb-bush-1995-book_n_7542964.html

wrote about it, then allowed legislation which printed single mamas names in local newspaper.  Not the same as an "A" on forehead, but in the information age, it's about the same thing.  Google her forever, and you see her single-mama ass coming up.


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Re: Should unwed mothers be publicly shamed?
« Reply #10 on: June 10, 2015, 12:22:15 PM »
Looks like he tried to throw his weight around to keep the media off his daughter's story, too.

So he's a failed leader in his own household, and he's a hypocrite on multiple fronts. Got it.

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« Reply #11 on: June 10, 2015, 12:34:12 PM »
yes, especially if their kids' father(s) were killed while dealing heroine and/or steroids

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Re: Should unwed mothers be publicly shamed?
« Reply #12 on: June 10, 2015, 12:37:39 PM »
Looks like he tried to throw his weight around to keep the media off his daughter's story, too.

So he's a failed leader in his own household, and he's a hypocrite on multiple fronts. Got it.

It's a dumb policy idea, but he's not "a failed leader in his own household" simply because his kid did something stupid.  I know lots of good parents whose kids do stupid stuff.  It's a part of growing up. 

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« Reply #13 on: June 10, 2015, 12:45:23 PM »
It's a dumb policy idea, but he's not "a failed leader in his own household" simply because his kid did something stupid.  I know lots of good parents whose kids do stupid stuff.  It's a part of growing up. 

Pardon me, but are you saying that forging prescriptions for dangerous drugs and smoking crack in rehab are "a part of growing up"?

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Re: Should unwed mothers be publicly shamed?
« Reply #14 on: June 10, 2015, 12:46:50 PM »
...you wouldn't be defending this simply because Jeb is a Republican, would you, DE?

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Re: Should unwed mothers be publicly shamed?
« Reply #15 on: June 10, 2015, 12:53:50 PM »
Pardon me, but are you saying that forging prescriptions for dangerous drugs and smoking crack in rehab are "a part of growing up"?

For some kids, yes.  "Stupid stuff" doesn't really have boundaries.  Some kids go farther off the reservation than others. 

I used to think like you until I started to hang around parents, talk to them, and see the things some kids do, despite good parenting. 

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« Reply #16 on: June 10, 2015, 12:56:09 PM »
...you wouldn't be defending this simply because Jeb is a Republican, would you, DE?

Of course not.  His political affiliation doesn't have anything to do with whether or not he was a good or bad parent. 

And I'm not really defending him.  He might have been a lousy parent.  He might have been a great parent.  What I'm saying is you cannot judge whether or not someone was a bad parent solely based on what their kid may or may not do.  Oftentimes it is a good indicator, but not always. 

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« Reply #17 on: June 10, 2015, 01:23:50 PM »
For some kids, yes.  "Stupid stuff" doesn't really have boundaries.  Some kids go farther off the reservation than others. 

I used to think like you until I started to hang around parents, talk to them, and see the things some kids do, despite good parenting. 

If the person hasn't grown to understand/respect boundaries, yeah.

That's the one thing that lands squarely on the parents, though. No denying it. This girl was acting like there's no such thing as boundaries...so you tell me.

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Re: Should unwed mothers be publicly shamed?
« Reply #18 on: June 10, 2015, 01:34:53 PM »
If the person hasn't grown to understand/respect boundaries, yeah.

That's the one thing that lands squarely on the parents, though. No denying it. This girl was acting like there's no such thing as boundaries...so you tell me.

Kids don't typically fully mature until they are in their mid to late 20s, so it's not uncommon at all for teenagers and young adults to do stupid things, including not respecting boundaries. 

Training kids lands squarely on the parents.  Whether kids actually apply good training is on the kids, not the parents. 

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« Reply #19 on: June 10, 2015, 02:04:50 PM »
Kids don't typically fully mature until they are in their mid to late 20s, so it's not uncommon at all for teenagers and young adults to do stupid things, including not respecting boundaries. 

Training kids lands squarely on the parents.  Whether kids actually apply good training is on the kids, not the parents. 

If only it were that simple, I'd say. The idea is to make sure the kids understand why they need to respect boundaries, if there's any expectation for them to go out and do that.

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Re: Should unwed mothers be publicly shamed?
« Reply #20 on: June 10, 2015, 02:07:59 PM »
I wonder if there's a history of drug abuse with him and/or Columba.

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Re: Should unwed mothers be publicly shamed?
« Reply #21 on: June 10, 2015, 02:13:59 PM »
If only it were that simple, I'd say. The idea is to make sure the kids understand why they need to respect boundaries, if there's any expectation for them to go out and do that.


Sometimes parents do provide good training about understanding and respecting boundaries, but the kids still cross the line.  That's partly what makes parenting a difficult job.  

If you talk to most any parent, they will tell you that about WTF moments they have had with their kids, where the kids do things that cut directly against how they were raised.  Happens all the time.  

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Re: Should unwed mothers be publicly shamed?
« Reply #22 on: June 10, 2015, 02:16:01 PM »
I wonder if there's a history of drug abuse with him and/or Columba.




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Re: Should unwed mothers be publicly shamed?
« Reply #23 on: June 10, 2015, 07:12:14 PM »




Yeah, that's pretty good. Just read up a bit on her, and it's said the smuggling was attempted because she was trying to hide how much she spent from Jeb.

She has a fairly interesting background, if media is to be believed (if they're not playing things up, like they do/did with Barack's background).

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« Reply #24 on: June 10, 2015, 07:13:44 PM »
Sometimes parents do provide good training about understanding and respecting boundaries, but the kids still cross the line.  That's partly what makes parenting a difficult job.  

If you talk to most any parent, they will tell you that about WTF moments they have had with their kids, where the kids do things that cut directly against how they were raised.  Happens all the time.  

So you wouldn't be so quick to question his intent as a parent, but you wouldn't deny his daughter being in that predicament is an indicator of failure on his part. Isn't that true?