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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: Littleguyontheprairie on September 11, 2015, 10:42:51 PM
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I don't really know anyone at my gym that I've been going to for roughly 6 months. How did you guys get started finding your products? Was it mainly social networking at your gym or was it online? I don't expect actual sources as that is listed as being against the rules.
The one guy I've talked to at the gym that openly talked about it got his online. His referred website is locked down pretty hard.
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I don't really know anyone at my gym that I've been going to for roughly 6 months. How did you guys get started finding your products? Was it mainly social networking at your gym or was it online? I don't expect actual sources as that is listed as being against the rules.
The one guy I've talked to at the gym that openly talked about it got his online. His referred website is locked down pretty hard.
Just get to know the biggest guys at the gym. Little-known fact: you can taste steroids in cum. So suck up, suck off, shoot up.
Or take a chance with a few bucks, and order a small amount online. eroids.com is useful there.
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Just get to know the biggest guys at the gym. Little-known fact: you can taste steroids in cum. So suck up, suck off, shoot up.
Or take a chance with a few bucks, and order a small amount online. eroids.com is useful there.
eroids is not reliable and i despise eroids...getbig should not be promoted with eroids garbage...Many fake reviews and many people have been screwed for GH out of it and spend hard earned money...
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if you use common sense then eroids is a good start
i know lots of guys who had good experiences 90% of the time there
of course rely on the well known UGLs.
i dont know anyone who ever got scammed on there, however gear was kinda low quality sometimes.
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if you use common sense then eroids is a good start
i know lots of guys who had good experiences 90% of the time there
of course rely on the well known UGLs.
i dont know anyone who ever got scammed on there, however gear was kinda low quality sometimes.
with eroids we don't just talk about gear...Gear is easy to brew...Suppliers make a fortune off test...Test powder which is pennies...ad then sell vials for 60 dollars in bulk...YET WE WILL HAVE UNDERDOSED GEAR IN THE UGL despite how much fortune these men make...It comes down to they have tons of orders and are too lazy to continue brewing so will just give out some crap...When supply can't meet the demand is when you get into some trouble...And believe me it happens...People get satisfied and settle...People get lazy....
But i talk about the HGH...MANY MANY gh sources there for EXPENSIVE prices and people are getting F'D...This can't be tolerated
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true that. wouldnt trust GH for shit, no matter where it comes from
very few exceptions maybe...
there are plenty of UK forums raving about the blacktop hyges, and have been for about a year now. seems to be the only remotely consistent shit... any other GH = fuck that
but there are probably sources out there faking these too...
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eroids is not reliable and i despise eroids...getbig should not be promoted with eroids garbage...Many fake reviews and many people have been screwed for GH out of it and spend hard earned money...
Nothing's perfect. But if you treat it like eBay (combination of time, percentage and total response rate), then results are good enough. I only order online, and my gear has been good so far. It gave me tits and my wife a beard, so it did something.
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Nothing's perfect. But if you treat it like eBay (combination of time, percentage and total response rate), then results are good enough. I only order online, and my gear has been good so far. It gave me tits and my wife a beard, so it did something.
If you treat it like ebay then you will be able to order safely and not have to worry if you get a bullshit product that you won't get your money back...At least there is a system to it...
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If you treat it like ebay then you will be able to order safely and not have to worry if you get a bullshit product that you won't get your money back...At least there is a system to it...
Yes, that is precisely the point. You can get scammed online, no matter what service. Just like you can get scammed IRL.
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Cop: So how does one source anabolics initially?
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Thanks for the info guys. I understood some of it. Some was less informative. But that hot tip about slobbing it off a cock - that's my first stop.
Yeah man. Ya caught me. I'm trying to bust people from anywhere in the world in between walking the beat. :P
Edit: the recommended site is exactly what I was looking for. Thanks!
Double edit: what do you guys think about this:
http://johndoebodybuilding.com/the-1-vial-steroid-cycle-for-beginners/
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Thanks for the info guys. I understood some of it. Some was less informative. But that hot tip about slobbing it off a cock - that's my first stop.
Yeah man. Ya caught me. I'm trying to bust people from anywhere in the world in between walking the beat. :P
Edit: the recommended site is exactly what I was looking for. Thanks!
Double edit: what do you guys think about this:
http://johndoebodybuilding.com/the-1-vial-steroid-cycle-for-beginners/
First cycle will usually be the best one if diet is in check and you're "cycling" .... So 8 weeks is shitty... Do at LEAST 13 weeks... Make sure the testosterone is pharm grade as that's even more important... If you have to pay a bit extra, do it.
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UG labs are a tricky game, you need to be looking up boards, eroids etc... But a great can quickly become a shitty lab, you never know if the batch you are getting is good or not, no matter how good the reputation of your lab is. Also boards are infested with people pushing some brands and bashing others... Never trust anyone who is obviously sponsored by a lab or pep company. For example those guys will claim those amazing gains with peptides while anyone who has ever used peptides will tell you they dont do much (they work but nothing extraordinary). Anyone remembers the gh15 gimick with the "kigs" lol ?
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UG labs are a tricky game, you need to be looking up boards, eroids etc... But a great can quickly become a shitty lab, you never know if the batch you are getting is good or not, no matter how good the reputation of your lab is. Also boards are infested with people pushing some brands and bashing others... Never trust anyone who is obviously sponsored by a lab or pep company. For example those guys will claim those amazing gains with peptides while anyone who has ever used peptides will tell you they dont do much (they work but nothing extraordinary). Anyone remembers the gh15 gimick with the "kigs" lol ?
Yes and this is why someones word can have so much influence...I don't think any of what happened is his fault but it put him in a position where many people could blame him....everyone is better off with their own personal trial and error especially in 2015 where nobody can be trusted...
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UG labs are a tricky game, you need to be looking up boards, eroids etc... But a great can quickly become a shitty lab, you never know if the batch you are getting is good or not, no matter how good the reputation of your lab is. Also boards are infested with people pushing some brands and bashing others... Never trust anyone who is obviously sponsored by a lab or pep company. For example those guys will claim those amazing gains with peptides while anyone who has ever used peptides will tell you they dont do much (they work but nothing extraordinary). Anyone remembers the gh15 gimick with the "kigs" lol ?
Personally, Gh15 opened my eyes about a lot of stuff. I stopped spending cash on shitty supplements and started using hormones and eating good (no chicken and broccoli bullshit).
On the topic, I have been using one source for a lot of time and have built up synergistic relationship.
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There are plenty of LEO that post here already. ;)
I think you are setting yourself up to be scammed by asking this on the open forum.
To be honest, I learned about the online ordering scene from the guys I knew at the gym. A few guys told me about a website that is no longer active back in 2002. Since then I've been reading multiple source boards and stayed informed on the happenings in that realm.
My advice is to educate yourself and learn the difference between an approved source that pays big monthly dues and the real good sources that aren't on the source boards. Don't believe all the reviews you read, take it with a grain of salt, a lot of guys get free gear to rep products.
The best sources I know are completely private.
Please don't post links to source boards. Other than that, I'm open to allowing this discussion.
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First cycle will usually be the best one if diet is in check and you're "cycling" .... So 8 weeks is shitty... Do at LEAST 13 weeks... Make sure the testosterone is pharm grade as that's even more important... If you have to pay a bit extra, do it.
13 weeks seems like a long time for a beginner trial sort of thing. I have no way of knowing the grade unfortunately.
There are plenty of LEO that post here already. ;)
I think you are setting yourself up to be scammed by asking this on the open forum.
To be honest, I learned about the online ordering scene from the guys I knew at the gym. A few guys told me about a website that is no longer active back in 2002. Since then I've been reading multiple source boards and stayed informed on the happenings in that realm.
My advice is to educate yourself and learn the difference between an approved source that pays big monthly dues and the real good sources that aren't on the source boards. Don't believe all the reviews you read, take it with a grain of salt, a lot of guys get free gear to rep products.
The best sources I know are completely private.
Please don't post links to source boards. Other than that, I'm open to allowing this discussion.
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Thanks. So far I decided to check out that eroids site and have sorted by US and checked out their top people but i don't see any midlevel reviews. Bad reviews are always due to a package supposedly no showing or the other side which is all top "five star would buy again! honest! quick customer service!" mostly what I detect as being bs.
Personally, Gh15 opened my eyes about a lot of stuff. I stopped spending cash on shitty supplements and started using hormones and eating good (no chicken and broccoli bullshit).
On the topic, I have been using one source for a lot of time and have built up synergistic relationship.
Why no chicken and broccoli?
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13 weeks seems like a long time for a beginner trial sort of thing. I have no way of knowing the grade unfortunately.
Thanks. So far I decided to check out that eroids site and have sorted by US and checked out their top people but i don't see any midlevel reviews. Bad reviews are always due to a package supposedly no showing or the other side which is all top "five star would buy again! honest! quick customer service!" mostly what I detect as being bs.
Why no chicken and broccoli?
It's not that long believe me...If you're a normal guy you'll recover the exact same with better gains...If you don't wanna believe me...There are other guys that WILL do the 13 weeks and they will look better than you...
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It's not that I don't believe you, I'm just highly skeptical of everything I read at the moment. Thanks for the info.
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If you dont want to run it 13 weeks run prop but prepare to be a pin cushion
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If you dont want to run it 13 weeks run prop but prepare to be a pin cushion
I'm not against it, it's just longer than I've read previously. I am a just a sponge trying to take in all the info I can and ultimately just go for something I'm comfortable with when I'm ready. The numbers are all over the board as to what people suggest. Not in this thread, but from every page I've been reading online.
I don't currently have a doctor and that's my first stop. I'm not sure if i can see any old doctor for the blood tests or if that is a waste of time/money. I tried to call a couple endos today but they require a referral. Bit overwhelmed at the moment.
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I'm not against it, it's just longer than I've read previously. I am a just a sponge trying to take in all the info I can and ultimately just go for something I'm comfortable with when I'm ready. The numbers are all over the board as to what people suggest. Not in this thread, but from every page I've been reading online.
I don't currently have a doctor and that's my first stop. I'm not sure if i can see any old doctor for the blood tests or if that is a waste of time/money. I tried to call a couple endos today but they require a referral. Bit overwhelmed at the moment.
Chicken and broccolli is fine and in fact it's good if it's your first cycle and are trying to lean out....Look a little harder or even ask your current doctor if you can get one and there are plenty online that will do private testing in your area... ...Would be best in an ideal world to get bloods before, during and after cycle...So you know what your test levels are before you started, and what they ended up being after PCT to judge your recovery. The glory of getting pharm grade test is not having to get bloods during the cycle to see if your stuff is legit like you would with UGL...In any case, if you can only do one make sure it's after the cycle and PCT is done to see where your levels are and if you recovered fine....13 weeks test at 500mg is perfect for a first cycle....Should be split up into 2 shots a week...Doesn't matter what everyone else says...Nobody runs just plain 8 week cycles with long esters unless they're switching compounds but if they're cycling and do that they're just retarded because for some people long esters don't even kick in full till the 5-6-7 week....But normally by 4th week most everyone will be feeling it good/have been feeling it....If you are an older guy or if you don't care about your balls shrinking and are a younger guy then you don't need any HCG....Would an AI be good to have while you're on cycle? Absolutely. Some aromatize more than others...Some can run grams of test and have no puffy nips...Some peoples nips flare up on just above trt dose...AI will also help with dryness and keeping E2 in control with an addition of keeping BP in better shape...PCT should use nolvadex and clomid...The dosages depend on whether you're going 8 weeks or 13 weeks...BUT what doesn't change, is the length of the PCT...Which should always be 4 weeks...You can either inbox me or comment on here if you need any other help regarding your cycle
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Holy crap, thanks. I appreciate the level of detail and basically hand holding you're providing.
I do have another question should anyone care to answer it:
When people talk about their PCT, for instance:
"Nolva 40/40/20/20"
Are they referencing their weekly mg nolvadex dose of pct week 1/2/3/4? So week 1 is 40mg total split across all 7 days?
And yes, I certainly do care about my balls.
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Holy crap, thanks. When people talk about their PCT for instance:
"Nolva 40/40/20/20"
Are they referencing their weekly mg nolvadex dose of pct week 1/2/3/4? So week 1 is 40mg total split across all 7 days?
Yes they are referencing their weekly mg of nolvadex. So week 1 is 40mg EVERYDAY not split across 7 days...
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Are the mg weight/gender/height/amount of test used based? Or a one size fits all guess?
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Are the mg weight/gender/height/amount of test used based? Or a one size fits all guess?
It's really a one size fits all for the most part. You shouldn't even cycle to begin with if you're over 20% bf though IMO..Unless you're like 230 5'8" and are around 20% and it's clear you lift/are strong...Having training and diet dialed in is important to be able to make gains on cycle, but more importantly to keep them. Only issue is your body can only hold a certain amount of muscle. (Which many training naturally for a long time realize is not much at all) So if you stay off for too long when you're done...You were revert back to the size you were before...Yes for months at a time you can maintain an above natural physique off-cycle after cycling by eating sufficient calories and trying to rain just as heavy + not much cardio BUTTT it is inevitable that you will revert back to your size eventually. Most times in less than 5 months you will FULLY return back unless you heavily cycled which would be more than 13 weeks...This is why they say "you can never only do one cycle" .... It's really true ;)
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It's really a one size fits all for the most part. You shouldn't even cycle to begin with if you're over 20% bf though IMO..Unless you're like 230 5'8" and are around 20% and it's clear you lift/are strong...Having training and diet dialed in is important to be able to make gains on cycle, but more importantly to keep them. Only issue is your body can only hold a certain amount of muscle. (Which many training naturally for a long time realize is not much at all) So if you stay off for too long when you're done...You were revert back to the size you were before...Yes for months at a time you can maintain an above natural physique off-cycle after cycling by eating sufficient calories and trying to rain just as heavy + not much cardio BUTTT it is inevitable that you will revert back to your size eventually. Most times in less than 5 months you will FULLY return back unless you heavily cycled which would be more than 13 weeks...This is why they say "you can never only do one cycle" .... It's really true ;)
Agree with everything you say above. However, I was wondering can one permanently (provided he trains and eats right) increase his frame size/muscle holding ability with long term HGH supplementation that will lead to hyperplasia?
I mean if I stop the GH and AAS i will still have those new cells and if I take care of them (eat and train) I should be able to keep more gains then before using GH.
I might be entirety wrong but am interested what is your opinion on the matter.
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Agree with everything you say above. However, I was wondering can one permanently (provided he trains and eats right) increase his frame size/muscle holding ability with long term HGH supplementation that will lead to hyperplasia?
I mean if I stop the GH and AAS i will still have those new cells and if I take care of them (eat and train) I should be able to keep more gains then before using GH.
I might be entirety wrong but am interested what is your opinion on the matter.
No once you stop HGH you will still be able to hold onto some gains but it's inevitable that you will continue too shrink down to whatever your body can hold with your test levels provided you aren't injecting anything or go back to trt... which like i said before,, is not alot. You won't permanently have new cells...If this were the case people would only need 1 run with GH and then they would never have to use it again...You see what i'm saying? Your size can only be as big as the limit of size one can be on the drugs you're taking...So say 500mg test can only yield a 5'8" guy 180 6% bf then you will never be better than this and you will only match this after a certain amount of time on that dosage...Of corse this gets thrown out the window if you have used many other anabolics and GH, insulin etc so if you're 230 and use 500mg test you will obviously be over 180 for a period of time....But this is for the person starting anabolics on that dosage...
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No once you stop HGH you will still be able to hold onto some gains but it's inevitable that you will continue too shrink down to whatever your body can hold with your test levels provided you aren't injecting anything or go back to trt... which like i said before,, is not alot. You won't permanently have new cells...If this were the case people would only need 1 run with GH and then they would never have to use it again...You see what i'm saying? Your size can only be as big as the limit of size one can be on the drugs you're taking...So say 500mg test can only yield a 5'8" guy 180 6% bf then you will never be better than this and you will only match this after a certain amount of time on that dosage...Of corse this gets thrown out the window if you have used many other anabolics and GH, insulin etc so if you're 230 and use 500mg test you will obviously be over 180 for a period of time....But this is for the person starting anabolics on that dosage...
Any idea for how long after IGF goes to normal ranges you get to keep the new muscle cells?
I though my skeleton frame increased permanently. My fists and head are definitively bigger.
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Any idea for how long after IGF goes to normal ranges you get to keep the new muscle cells?
I though my skeleton frame increased permanently. My fists and head are definitively bigger.
Yes signs of things like acromegaly are permanent. Negatives are usually the most permanent. This is how it works. Hyperplasmia of the muscle cell is 0% permanent, however. There are protein markers and such trackers that can check if you've been using GH even though IGF levels will return shortly after discontinuing use of GH. It really would all depend on your dosages and how long you've used....I'd say even dropping 2iu would help worlds more in holding onto the muscle cells for a longer period of time than completely discontinuing even though the HTPA won't even be negatively effected for a day your levels still will not be able to suffice for the 2iu you could have been doing....It's double the horse power and double the help...I like to use 5 months as a marker because after 5 months off regardless of what you took your body has lost extreme amounts of size if not all....These IFBB top pros if they stopped taking everything in 5 months you would not even be able to recognize them even though they're spent years and years building a base...The base is never loyal...You get a bad sickness...Base is not loyal...
You're talking crumbs and cheez-its with me though...I haven't dropped GH to 0 in a while....I don't worry about keeping my gains after a 6 month GH blast...I don't "cycle"...I stay on...It's a tougher question for me to answer...But just based on logic and what i've seen this is my depiction/prediction of what will happen...
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Yes signs of things like acromegaly are permanent. Negatives are usually the most permanent. This is how it works. Hyperplasmia of the muscle cell is 0% permanent, however. There are protein markers and such trackers that can check if you've been using GH even though IGF levels will return shortly after discontinuing use of GH. It really would all depend on your dosages and how long you've used....I'd say even dropping 2iu would help worlds more in holding onto the muscle cells for a longer period of time than completely discontinuing even though the HTPA won't even be negatively effected for a day your levels still will not be able to suffice for the 2iu you could have been doing....It's double the horse power and double the help...I like to use 5 months as a marker because after 5 months off regardless of what you took your body has lost extreme amounts of size if not all....These IFBB top pros if they stopped taking everything in 5 months you would not even be able to recognize them even though they're spent years and years building a base...The base is never loyal...You get a bad sickness...Base is not loyal...
You're talking crumbs and cheez-its with me though...I haven't dropped GH to 0 in a while....I don't worry about keeping my gains after a 6 month GH blast...I don't "cycle"...I stay on...It's a tougher question for me to answer...But just based on logic and what i've seen this is my depiction/prediction of what will happen...
Thx, Dave. Once again I appreciate you sharing your experience.
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This is why they say "you can never only do one cycle" .... It's really true ;)
That was very depressing to read!
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Say someone were to plan 500mg/week for 13 weeks. A store has marked 250mg/ml Test E at $40.00. Does that mean it costs 80.00/week for 13 weeks ($1,040 over 13 weeks)?
I think I'm reading into it way wrong. Its 250mg per ml and a 10ml container?
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Say someone were to plan 500mg/week for 13 weeks. A store has marked 250mg/ml Test E at $40.00. Does that mean it costs 80.00/week for 13 weeks ($1,040 over 13 weeks)?
I think I'm reading into it way wrong. Its 250mg per ml and a 10ml container?
500 mg = 2 ml weekly. So a 10 ml vial will last you 5 weeks. If you plan on using 13 weeks, you would need 3 $40 vials. Cheaper than protein powder.
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Well, I have an appointment for a physical and I figure I'll bring up that I want to get some blood work done while I'm there to see where I'm at. If he agrees to be some what off the books I'll consult him about my plans.
I'd like to thank you guys for all the answers to my questions, as stupid as they may seem to some of you, you still gave me your opinion instead of just trolling me.
Hopefully my doc ends up being a good guy.
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Well, I have an appointment for a physical and I figure I'll bring up that I want to get some blood work done while I'm there to see where I'm at. If he agrees to be some what off the books I'll consult him about my plans.
I'd like to thank you guys for all the answers to my questions, as stupid as they may seem to some of you, you still gave me your opinion instead of just trolling me.
Hopefully my doc ends up being a good guy.
I would never discuss gear use with a doctor as they'll probably note that about you afterward
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That's why i said off the books. If he agrees.. I mean, he has to be some what on the same page as to why I'm getting tested, no?
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That's why i said off the books. If he agrees.. I mean, he has to be some what on the same page as to why I'm getting tested, no?
Not really lol...Wanting to know bloodwork is a common thing
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Won't the fluctuations reviewed be a pretty obvious sign? Or is that how it works? I play in the obvious area but never really talk about it?
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Won't the fluctuations reviewed be a pretty obvious sign? Or is that how it works? I play in the obvious area but never really talk about it?
Most docs dont know shit about hormone usage and telling them you use AAS can do more harm than help.
I do my own bloodwork but I have to pay for it at the local labs.
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Well, due to my asking for blood work to check some levels he casually brought up anabolic steroid usage. I shrugged it off at first and ordered my tests and completed my physical. Part of the reason I chose him was he is skilled in both family medicine and athletics/joint injections. It's both interesting and comforting to know they don't fondle your nutsack anymore. I asked if he could answer some questions between us and he agreed. Everything I asked was hypothetical, but he insisted if I were to choose that route I should notify him so he knows to check my liver/my nuts/ and other risks. He also gave me the mandatory 'risks' speech but was overall understanding and pretty strait forward.
This was against forum advice but I feel as though I should take all precautions, now and during, if this is the path I'm going to choose.
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How bad are these numbers? Am I naturally doomed? I am in the 30-34 age range.
Component Standard Range Your Value
Testosterone Adult Male 300 - 1080 ng/dL 342
Testosterone Percentage Free 1.6 - 2.9 % 2.0
Testosterone Free Calculation 47 - 244 pg/mL 70
Sex Hormone Binding Globulin 11 - 80 nmol/L 26
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How bad are these numbers? Am I naturally doomed? I am in the 30-34 age range.
Component Standard Range Your Value
Testosterone Adult Male 300 - 1080 ng/dL 342
Testosterone Percentage Free 1.6 - 2.9 % 2.0
Testosterone Free Calculation 47 - 244 pg/mL 70
Sex Hormone Binding Globulin 11 - 80 nmol/L 26
Test levels are on the low end but not disastrous. Try a power PCT with nolva and clomid and retest in a few months time. In the meantime use cialis/viagra if you have to
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How bad are these numbers? Am I naturally doomed? I am in the 30-34 age range.
Component Standard Range Your Value
Testosterone Adult Male 300 - 1080 ng/dL 342
Testosterone Percentage Free 1.6 - 2.9 % 2.0
Testosterone Free Calculation 47 - 244 pg/mL 70
Sex Hormone Binding Globulin 11 - 80 nmol/L 26
You are right there with me. I'm not much older than you and my values are similar.
You are a candidate for TRT and should seek it if you want a better quality of life.
Find a doctor who is open with using Testosterone and let him monitor your blood work.
Good luck!
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Well that's pretty awesome, wheres the line? 350? I got these done first thing in the morning which should reflect my peak levels from what I've read.
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Well that's pretty awesome, wheres the line? 350? I got these done first thing in the morning which should reflect my peak levels from what I've read.
Depends on the Doctor, but anything below 400 usually triggers a TRT script.
Some might not put you on injectables, but at 350 you are at the low range of normal.
I got a script when I was ~450 a few years ago.
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Well my doctor attached notes to all my tests, "your labs look good". I guess, if good is on the low-low end of normal but I don't want to be low-normal.
I've gone ahead and ordered a bunch of crap.
-Test E
-Needles+syringe
-Swabs
-Arimidex
-Nolvadex
-Clomid
-Place to put used needles since it was like $3.25 for the container and I wanted to use a centralized safe place for them as I have a kid. I've read about people using empty bleach bottles but I figured something actually built for the application would be best.
From what I've read this is a pretty basic bundle for a first timer. I've also read a lot of scary and conflicting stories regarding the Arimidex/Nolvadex/Clomid. Re: when to start the Arimidex - some say immediately, some say 3rd or 4th week or when you feel it's needed. I'm afraid that I won't know when if I play the 'by feeling' game as I don't know what that would feel like.
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Well my doctor attached notes to all my tests, "your labs look good". I guess, if good is on the low-low end of normal but I don't want to be low-normal.
I've gone ahead and ordered a bunch of crap.
-Test E
-Needles+syringe
-Swabs
-Arimidex
-Nolvadex
-Clomid
-Place to put used needles since it was like $3.25 for the container and I wanted to use a centralized safe place for them as I have a kid. I've read about people using empty bleach bottles but I figured something actually built for the application would be best.
From what I've read this is a pretty basic bundle for a first timer. I've also read a lot of scary and conflicting stories regarding the Arimidex/Nolvadex/Clomid. Re: when to start the Arimidex - some say immediately, some say 3rd or 4th week or when you feel it's needed. I'm afraid that I won't know when if I play the 'by feeling' game as I don't know what that would feel like.
I personally do not like Arimidex (may kill your estro) so much unless you are running a lot of heavy gear such as dbol, high test, etc. Proviron 25mg ED keeps my estro and libido in check if use AAS below a gram per week.
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Depends on the Doctor, but anything below 400 usually triggers a TRT script.
Some might not put you on injectables, but at 350 you are at the low range of normal.
I got a script when I was ~450 a few years ago.
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Sweet Jesus! I could not even get TRT when I was at 216 ng/dl. My father (69 at the time) had higher T than me!
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Sweet Jesus! I could not even get TRT when I was at 216 ng/dl. My father (69 at the time) had higher T than me!
Was this a GP or an Endo?
My GP wouldn't even consider putting me on TRT. My Endo encouraged it the following week.
216 is bottom. That's not a healthy level. A lot of Doctors these days are more open to it, but it all depends on what they are comfortable with.
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Was this a GP or an Endo?
My GP wouldn't even consider putting me on TRT. My Endo encouraged it the following week.
216 is bottom. That's not a healthy level. A lot of Doctors these days are more open to it, but it all depends on what they are comfortable with.
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Naturally my levels are 430 and my bloodwork is perfect at that level, and I also feel ok mentally (except no muscle lol). I think it's different for different people. Going to experiment with an 800 test level starting this week and see how I feel
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Was this a GP or an Endo?
My GP wouldn't even consider putting me on TRT. My Endo encouraged it the following week.
216 is bottom. That's not a healthy level. A lot of Doctors these days are more open to it, but it all depends on what they are comfortable with.
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That's so stupid... its not up to them to be comfortable with a medication or not. If someone has low test, which could lead to health issues later on, it shouldn't matter if the doc loves or hates testosterone. They should prescribe it just like they would prescribe T-3s for chronic pain or penicillin for an infection. Injectable testosterone should be treated like any other medication and not looked at as some evil thing that a doc would prescribe only if they're comfortable with it.
/Rant :)
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Was this a GP or an Endo?
My GP wouldn't even consider putting me on TRT. My Endo encouraged it the following week.
216 is bottom. That's not a healthy level. A lot of Doctors these days are more open to it, but it all depends on what they are comfortable with.
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GP. And yes, ridiculously low. Which is why I mentioned my father: he has the same GP, the GP could see that my numbers were lower than my father's, and still he did not see any need to do anything. Unless I would be suicidal from low test, or completely impotent, then he might consider sending me to an endo. One argument was: "but you look healthy and muscular!". Yes, but the fact that I struggle to bench 265 where I was doing 405 6 months ago also plays into it...
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That's so stupid... its not up to them to be comfortable with a medication or not. If someone has low test, which could lead to health issues later on, it shouldn't matter if the doc loves or hates testosterone. They should prescribe it just like they would prescribe T-3s for chronic pain or penicillin for an infection. Injectable testosterone should be treated like any other medication and not looked at as some evil thing that a doc would prescribe only if they're comfortable with it.
/Rant :)
Fully agreed. I do think there should be better numbers for each age group, so that the discussion on "normal" can be had more objectively. And even then: my goal is not to just be "not ill". I only exist for about 80 years, I want to thrive!
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Fully agreed. I do think there should be better numbers for each age group, so that the discussion on "normal" can be had more objectively. And even then: my goal is not to just be "not ill". I only exist for about 80 years, I want to thrive!
Yeah! 330-1080 or something? That's such a wide range. I want to thrive! not be a bottom feeder.
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Yeah! 330-1080 or something? That's such a wide range. I want to thrive! not be a bottom feeder.
the difference between something like 600 and 900 are completely nonexistent.......The T levels mean little to nothing....It's all about how you feel and about how your other levels are....
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Well those are both up there. 2xx-350 seems to be the difference between get help and you'll be fine. I understand what you're saying though.
Edit: Which other levels are you referring to?
Edit Edit: Can someone explain to me the transfer of per gram of test to blood results? Eg: someone doing 500mg weekly, how does that translate on a scale of 1-3000 concerning your labs? I've read something about 7-10x your dose = lab result.
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Well those are both up there. 2xx-350 seems to be the difference between get help and you'll be fine. I understand what you're saying though.
Edit: Which other levels are you referring to?
Edit Edit: Can someone explain to me the transfer of per gram of test to blood results? Eg: someone doing 500mg weekly, how does that translate on a scale of 1-3000 concerning your labs? I've read something about 7-10x your dose = lab result.
Its not an exact calculation. Some people uptake/tolerate the exogenous test better than others, so 2 people could take 250mg/wk, one's results will come back at 1100 but the other's will come back at 1400. This is why prescriptions between people range, some may only need 150mg/wk, others may need 250mg/wk when on doc prescribed HRT. Then when you get into GRAMS of gear, every formula out there falls apart because of diminishing returns.
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Thank you Mr.Estevez.
| Week | Test-E | Clomid | Nolvadex | Arimidex |
| 1 | 250mgx2 | x | x | |
| 2 | 250mgx2 | x | x | |
| 3 | 250mgx2 | x | x | |
| 4 | 250mgx2 | x | x | |
| 5 | 250mgx2 | x | x | |
| 6 | 250mgx2 | x | x | |
| 7 | 250mgx2 | x | x | |
| 8 | 250mgx2 | x | x | |
| 9 | 250mgx2 | x | x | |
| 10 | 250mgx2 | x | x | |
| 11 | x | x | x | |
| 12 | x | x | x | |
| 13 | x | 100mg/ed | 40mg/ed | |
| 14 | x | 50mg/ed | 30mg/ed | |
| 15 | x | 50mg/ed | 20mg/ed | |
| Tot | 2500 | 1400 | 630 | 28mg/onhand |
Arimidex? I've read conflicting things on when to start it. Some say when you start to see symptoms like puffy nips. Opinions?
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10 weeks is ok but 12 is better.
u can take some pregnyl (hcg) during your time on (500ui weekly) to keep them balls wokring. also if you can get legin proviron 50 mg ed will keep your estro ok.
also for the PCT I only use nolva for 4 weeks (40/30/20/10) and do ok for several years. no need for so much cancer meds they are pretty harsh on the body.
GL with the cycle.
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For the HCG all i see is 5000iu or something along those lines in an ampule. Are people buying these and resealing them after removing the desired amount?
Edit: I obviously need to read more about this.
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Thank you Mr.Estevez.
| Week | Test-E | Clomid | Nolvadex | Arimidex |
| 1 | 250mgx2 | x | x | |
| 2 | 250mgx2 | x | x | |
| 3 | 250mgx2 | x | x | |
| 4 | 250mgx2 | x | x | |
| 5 | 250mgx2 | x | x | |
| 6 | 250mgx2 | x | x | |
| 7 | 250mgx2 | x | x | |
| 8 | 250mgx2 | x | x | |
| 9 | 250mgx2 | x | x | |
| 10 | 250mgx2 | x | x | |
| 11 | x | x | x | |
| 12 | x | x | x | |
| 13 | x | 100mg/ed | 40mg/ed | |
| 14 | x | 50mg/ed | 30mg/ed | |
| 15 | x | 50mg/ed | 20mg/ed | |
| Tot | 2500 | 1400 | 630 | 28mg/onhand |
Arimidex? I've read conflicting things on when to start it. Some say when you start to see symptoms like puffy nips. Opinions?
I would just run it throughout but as minimal as possible because you need some estrogen in your system for muscle growth. But why wait till something bad happens to run it? If you already have it just run it IMO
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Thanks David. I guess I'll add like .25mg/ed and see what happens. HCG mixing and dividing it up seems like its going to be the biggest pain so far.
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I got started, working in a serious bodybuilder/powerlifter gym when I was around 20, and got introduced to a few bodybuilders and powerlifters who helped me put together my first cycle of 250mg of Testoviron and 250mg of Karachi sustanon, gained about 12lbs. and lost about 4-5% of bodyfat (they say your first cycle is the best) made a complete transformation of my body and I was hooked. This was around 2000 when you could still get real legit human grade stuff as ugl's didn't really exist till a bit later.
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I got started, working in a serious bodybuilder/powerlifter gym when I was around 20, and got introduced to a few bodybuilders and powerlifters who helped me put together my first cycle of 250mg of Testoviron and 250mg of Karachi sustanon, gained about 12lbs. and lost about 4-5% of bodyfat (they say your first cycle is the best) made a complete transformation of my body and I was hooked. This was around 2000 when you could still get real legit human grade stuff as ugl's didn't really exist till a bit later.
I used to get so sick of hacksawing the necks to make sure they didn't break... I thought it was great when the ugl 10ml bottles came in, little did I know how much I miss spending 15mins setting shots up..