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seems the ideal weight is not much more than 220, if they arent super tall i.e. 6'4" and up
n the golden era of boxng i.e. 70s to 90s most guys were 220 or less
before that some dudes were only a buck 85 or so ala Rocky Marciano
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210-225lbs is ideal for those between 5'10-6'2ft.
Even the taller ones (6'4-6'8ft) shouldn't really be over 245lbs.
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210-225lbs is ideal for those between 5'10-6'2ft.
Even the taller ones (6'4-6'8ft) shouldn't really be over 245lbs.
agreed
Ali was best at about 210, same with Tyson
one of my favs Mike Hercules Weaver was also best not more than 210
I think Holmes fought at bout 235 and he was 6'3" or 6'4"
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You have to remember by 1988, the sanctioning bodies had reduced all championships bouts from 12 rounds to 15 rounds.
So after that, there was a little more emphasis on mass.strength and power,at the expense of endurance. I'm not sure that it made heavyweight boxing better,though.
Also,heavyweight like bodybuilders ,on the whole have gotten distinctly bigger,since the early 90's .And like bodybuilders,the athletes presumably would have access to the latest pharmaceuticals.
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You have to remember by 1988, the sanctioning bodies had reduced all championships bouts from 12 rounds to 15 rounds.
So after that, there was a little more emphasis on mass.strength and power,at the expense of endurance. I'm not sure that it made heavyweight boxing better,though.
Also,heavyweight like bodybuilders ,on the whole have gotten distinctly bigger,since the early 90's .And like bodybuilders,the athletes presumably would have access to the latest pharmaceuticals.
yeah they are bigger, but i'd say tyson or ali @ 210 would drop em
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Now is the era of the giants at heavyweight like Joshua and Klitscko. Talking 6 foot six and over 17 stone these fuckers tower of the heavyweights of yesteryear. Personally, I think they should be in a super heavyweight category of their own.....let the giants fight amongst themselves!
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Now is the era of the giants at heavyweight like Joshua and Klitscko. Talking 6 foot six and over 17 stone these fuckers tower of the heavyweights of yesteryear. Personally, I think they should be in a super heavyweight category of their own.....let the giants fight amongst themselves!
but they are a bit clumbsy with shit footwork so tyson or ali or holmes could dodge thier jabs and get inside and fuck em up
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Now is the era of the giants at heavyweight like Joshua and Klitscko. Talking 6 foot six and over 17 stone these fuckers tower of the heavyweights of yesteryear. Personally, I think they should be in a super heavyweight category of their own.....let the giants fight amongst themselves!
I think boxing needs to have less weight divisions, not more, if it were to progress. A SHW division isn't needed since we've seen many times in the past, a smaller but highly skilled HW, is able to chop down bigger men.
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UFC and cage fighting hurt boxing.any slob can wrestle around in a cage three or four times and then next thing you know he's fighting for a title.
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Now is the era of the giants at heavyweight like Joshua and Klitscko. Talking 6 foot six and over 17 stone these fuckers tower of the heavyweights of yesteryear. Personally, I think they should be in a super heavyweight category of their own.....let the giants fight amongst themselves!
Yes, they should be in a Super Heavyweight Division.
Heavyweight's should have have a cut-off weight so they at least stay relatively athletic and fast for hopefully more entertaining fights.
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Shouldn't this thread have been posted under the your Darren Avery gimmick?
You're treading into Fallsview/Meta Physical territory with the similar gimmicks, if you're going to be someone else go all in and be committed to being completely different than your other accounts.
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Yes, they should be in a Super Heavyweight Division.
Heavyweight's should have have a cut-off weight so they at least stay relatively athletic and fast for hopefully more entertaining fights.
The height is more of a problem than the weight, 6'6 athletes....
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The height is more of a problem than the weight, 6'6 athletes....
Agree with this. Troublesome match making with these giants. There are enough of them to rob us of exciting fights with the great smaller men, but not enough good ones to stage fights amongst them.
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Shouldn't this thread have been posted under the your Darren Avery gimmick?
You're treading into Fallsview/Meta Physical territory with the similar gimmicks, if you're going to be someone else go all in and be committed to being completely different than your other accounts.
Nothing to do with me.
Boxings dead not just because of da cage fighting but also the lack of characters. I mean come on Luis Ortiz, George Washington, Charles Martin all have less charisma than Derek Anthony in his present state.
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Vitali would have stopped a prime Mike Tyson.
Mike always had problems with the big guys.
2:08 - 2:59
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Vitali would have stopped a prime Mike Tyson.
Mike always had problems with the big guys.
2:08 - 2:59
I seriously doubt it
Tyson would have easily swarmed him and got inside and hooked or upper cutted him to the canvas
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Klitschko would've been trouble for Tyson. Tyson had trouble with taller guys that could move, and all of them weren't nearly as tall as Klitschko. Also many of the tall good journeymen fighters Tyson fought took him into the later rounds, where Tyson wasn't as good either. If he couldn't win early, he'd get increasingly more frustrated.
Klitschko would've been trouble for Tyson, and I doubt it would've been a good fight.
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Best would be if you're a boxer and have 85-86 inch reach.
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Best would be if you're a boxer and have 85-86 inch reach.
A 120" reach would be even better!!
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A 120" reach would be even better!!
121" reach whilst being 5'2 and weighing 350 lbs would be a sight for sore eyes.
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agreed
Ali was best at about 210, same with Tyson
one of my favs Mike Hercules Weaver was also best not more than 210
I think Holmes fought at bout 235 and he was 6'3" or 6'4"
Wrong, Holmes best weights were btw 210-215.
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Vitali would have stopped a prime Mike Tyson.
Mike always had problems with the big guys.
2:08 - 2:59
Probably so. Vitali is a bad dude. A real mean dude. Great chin and tons of self belief. If baby bro Had Vitali's chin and
heart, he would be the GOAT.
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All I know is that the heavy weight division now is filled with bums. I can't even call them journeymen. It's an embarrassment. Americans won't pay to see these fighters but I know in Europe they are spending money to watch these bums. Boxing is still exciting in the lower weight classes but the heavy weight is just a no talent division.
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UFC and cage fighting hurt boxing.any slob can wrestle around in a cage three or four times and then next thing you know he's fighting for a title.
the last great heavyweights were probably tyson, holyfield, and lennox lewis
they were washed up long before the UFC went mainstream in 2005
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Boxers today are the best the sport has ever seen. The fights certainly aren't as exciting, but boxers today are much more refined on movement and defense. There's a few reasons for this in my opinion. First off, fans hate losses. It seems these days boxers will do anything to avoid a loss because the seemingly get written off once they have an L which I think is dumb personally. Second, most boxers simply aren't willing to stand and trade blows anymore. They are already shortening their lives and we now know a lot more about what repeated head trauma does. And lastly, it's a money game now. It's about protecting yourself, making some money and getting out. Guys like Tyson were so much more fun to watch, it's a shame I was too small to appreciate him in his hay day.....but, to say that all the fighters today suck means you don't know what you are watching when you watch boxing. Guys today are so ridiculously skilled. But once again, that doesn't mean exciting fights for fans.
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Shouldn't this thread have been posted under the your Darren Avery gimmick?
You're treading into Fallsview/Meta Physical territory with the similar gimmicks, if you're going to be someone else go all in and be committed to being completely different than your other accounts.
Darren avey is very clearly a brit, knows way too much about british culture to be from anywhere else.
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Boxers today are the best the sport has ever seen. The fights certainly aren't as exciting, but boxers today are much more refined on movement and defense. There's a few reasons for this in my opinion. First off, fans hate losses. It seems these days boxers will do anything to avoid a loss because the seemingly get written off once they have an L which I think is dumb personally. Second, most boxers simply aren't willing to stand and trade blows anymore. They are already shortening their lives and we now know a lot more about what repeated head trauma does. And lastly, it's a money game now. It's about protecting yourself, making some money and getting out. Guys like Tyson were so much more fun to watch, it's a shame I was too small to appreciate him in his hay day.....but, to say that all the fighters today suck means you don't know what you are watching when you watch boxing. Guys today are so ridiculously skilled. But once again, that doesn't mean exciting fights for fans.
You are so fucking clueless Tennisballz !!!
Boxers today are shit compared to the past (except GGG, Lomachenko, and few others ).
Just compare this 2 top fighter of today (Thurman vs Garcia) to this 2 Great fighters from the 80' (Hearns vs Benitez) .Same weight class and both World Champions.
Today mediocrity
80' Greatness
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You are so fucking clueless Tennisballz !!!
Boxers today are shit compared to the past (except GGG, Lomachenko, and few others ).
Just compare this 2 top fighter of today (Thurman vs Garcia) to this 2 Great fighters from the 80' (Hearns vs Benitez) .Same weight class and both World Champions.
Today mediocrity
80' Greatness
You're a typical idiot fan....too stupid to realize that boxing has become boring because of the higher skill level and intelligence of the fighters. Those 80's guys were swinging wildly at air. You honestly think those guys would charge in on a top figheter of today like that and not get out boxed? LOL
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You're a typical idiot fan....too stupid to realize that boxing has become boring because of the higher skill level and intelligence of the fighters. Those 80's guys were swinging wildly at air. You honestly think those guys would charge in on a top figheter of today like that and not get out boxed? LOL
You are ignorant and retarded !!!
Just go away and go watch golf tournament because you don't understand anything about boxing !!!
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yeah they are bigger, but i'd say tyson or ali @ 210 would drop em
Ali wasn't a knock out specialist
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Wrong, Holmes best weights were btw 210-215.
Thanks for the correction my Jewish friend
Ali wasn't a knock out specialist
That's true but he would have beat him on points then
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It's worth also noting that Earnie Shavers is considered by many to be the hardest hitting HW of all time yet weighed in at under 215lbs.
More weight doesn't always equate to more power.
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its also worth noting that anyone under 200lbs
is a twink and unable to fight properly
with a couple of notable exceptions
small weak people should stfu and bow down to genetically superior super males
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I don't understand the logic. How can someone 200 lbs possibly beat someone 250lb + in a fight?
Its not possible.
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It's worth also noting that Earnie Shavers is considered by many to be the hardest hitting HW of all time yet weighed in at under 215lbs.
More weight doesn't always equate to more power.
yep, forgot about him
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One of R.A.’s favorite fighters is Bob Foster, the former light heavyweight champ who once held the division record for title defenses. Standing 6-foot-3 with a wide-reaching 79-inch wingspan, the hard-punching native of Albuquerque, N.M., was an absolute terror in the 175-pound division, where he brutally blasted fellow future hall of famer Dick Tiger for the title and then proceeded to knockout top contenders, such as Roger Rouse, Andy Kendall, Chris Finnegan, beltholder Vicente Rondon and Mike Quarry (in what was probably his most chilling stoppage).
Foster was so fearsome, he often took to the heavyweight division (even though he never weighed more than 189 pounds) where he often fell short, but also faced a two all-time greats in Muhammad Ali and Joe Frazier.
Foster was inducted into the International Boxing Hall of Fame in 1990.
R.A. spoke with Foster a few years ago for an as-yet unpublished book on boxing. It is reprinted here with the rapper/writer’s permission.
Click here to read R.A.’s Q&A with former heavyweight champ Ken Norton.
R.A. The Rugged Man: Is it true that you got kicked out of high school for fracturing someone’s skull?
Bob Foster: (Laughs) Where’d you hear all that? Yeah, we was in 10th grade, I asked to see his comic book and he wouldn’t do it. The next day I brought comic books and I wouldn’t let him see mine, so he goes and takes my book. I hit him with a left hook and fractured his skull. Knocked him out cold. (Laughs.)
R.A.: When you won the title form Dick Tiger, that knockout was brutal. He hadn’t been stopped in 70-something fights.
Foster: Yeah, but I knew I was gonna stop him. I had too much punching power for them light heavyweights. Dick Tiger was about 5-foot-8, maybe, 5-foot-6, a short guy. As soon as I saw him I knew, no way in God’s creation he was gonna beat me.
R.A.: Tell me about fighting Henry Hank.
Foster: Henry Hank was a devastating puncher; this was a middleweight knocking out light heavies. The first fight I hit him with a left hook to the body. He yelled out “OOOHHHH!” You could hear that all over the arena. He was crawling on his stomach, trying to crawl out of the ring. He didn’t know where he was he was in so much pain ’cause I almost ran half my arm up in his ribs (laughs). The second fight, I busted him up real good, I closed both his eyes.
R.A.: Where do you put yourself on the list of pound for pound all-time hardest punchers?
Foster: Number one. Couldn’t nobody out there out punch me. I know they couldn’t.
R.A.: So who would you say was number two?
Foster: S__t, I don’t know. They ain’t never hit me. Outta the guys I fought, Roger Rouse, this white boy outta Montana, that sucka could punch, boy. But he didn’t look it, he didn’t have the build or nothing, he was just a regular, typical white boy. He hit me on the chin in the first round, man, electricity started from my head, went all the way through my body down to my feet, my feet was on fire, man. And I was standing in the ring, shaking my feet, trying to put the fire out. I went back to the corner I said, ‘What the hell did that son of a bitch hit me with?’ I thought he hit me with a brick. They said ‘It was a left hook, keep your hands up,’ but I busted him up, and beat him in the fifth round, they stopped the fight.”
R.A.: What do you think was your most devastating knockout?
Foster: When I hit Mike Quarry, I thought I killed him. He was laying down and his feet were shaking, he was trembling. I was looking in his face and you couldn’t even see the pupils of his eyes, they were rolled way back up in his head. And Billy, my trainer, said, ‘Come on Bobby, don’t look at him.’ Billy thought I killed him too. And I said ‘Well, the kid is dead.’ And Billy said ‘Well f__k it, he didn’t have no business being in here.’ Billy was cold blooded, man (Laughs).
R.A.: That was a tough night for the Quarrys. That fight was part of ‘The Soul Brothers vs. The Quarry Brothers’ card.
Foster: Yeah, Muhammad Ali was going to fight Jerry Quarry and I was going to fight Mike Quarry. Ali bet me a thousand dollars that he’d stop Jerry before I stopped Mike. I said “You got a bet, Ali, ’cause you don’t hit as hard as I do.” I stopped Mike in the fourth he stopped Jerry in the seventh. So I said “Hey Ali, give me my money, man.” And he says “What money?” I said “Now, you want me to hit you the way I did Mike?” He said “No, I sure don’t” and he paid me.
R.A.: You made a whopping $25 in your pro debut. How much did you get when you fought Muhammad Ali?
Foster: $200,000. But Ali couldn’t punch. Ali couldn’t bust a grape. I don’t know how he kept knocking all these heavyweights out unless they had a glass jaw. Ali didn’t have the power of (Joe) Louis and (Rocky) Marciano and (Ezzard) Charles, but he had speed. He’d hit you pow pow pow pow pow pow pow, and then you’d look around, you don’t see him no more. He might be behind you. But the guy didn’t have too much power. Look at how many times he hit Joe Frazier. They stopped that third fight ’cause Frazier was taking a pretty good beating but he couldn’t knock Joe out.
R.A.: How much did you get paid to fight Frazier?
Foster: $250,000. That was big money in them days. A brand new Cadillac only cost you $6,000 right off the sale room floor. I almost had Joe in that first round. He came out trying to box with me but his arms ain’t the longest things in the world. I hit him on the chin with a jab and a right hand right behind it, boy, and it buckled his knees but I missed my left hook. At the end of the round, Eddie Futch ran in the ring and was cussing at Joe he said “God damn it, didn’t I tell you, you couldn’t get under those skinny suckers punches? He’ll knock your damn brains out. Get on top of him!” And that’s what he did. That bell rang, man here he come, like one of them big Sherman tanks. He just turned the lights out on me. Now HE could punch. They say I got up, but I don’t remember getting up.
R.A.: How come so many great light heavyweights like you and Archie Moore just couldn’t pull it off at heavyweight?
Foster: Well, back when Archie was fighting heavyweights, there was guys like (Joe) Walcott and Joe Louis. And my era we had good heavyweights, not like Lennox Lewis, I would’ve knocked him out. We had top heavyweights like Frazier, Ali, Ken Norton. I’d a hit Lennox Lewis with an overhand right, with my punching power, I know I would’ve knocked him out. That boy didn’t have no chin.
R.A.: So you think you’d be heavyweight champion if you were fighting guys like John Ruiz?
Foster: Oh Lord have mercy, John Ruiz? (Laughs) I would’ve destroyed that boy. I was looking for Roy Jones to knock him out but he didn’t. I would’ve knocked Ruiz out. Easy.
R.A.: Out of all the fighters you fought who got you the most pissed off? Was it Vicente Rondon?
Foster: Yeah, when I fought Rondon, he’d run around talking about (funny accent) “Me champee-yone, me champee-yone,” and I said “Yeah, we’ll see who the real champion is tonight.” I had the WBC title and he had the WBA (belt), (but) he beat one of my sparring partners for it. I hit him with a double left hook and I fractured his skull in two places.
R.A.: As hard as you hit, were you ever scared to hurt anybody?
Foster: Hell no. That’s what I wanted to do. That’s what I was getting paid for, to hurt you.
R.A.: Being world champion in the ’70s, was there a wild side to Bob foster? Any wild nights in Vegas? Partying? Ladies?
Foster: You know, in those days women liked to be seen with the champion. We all used to party after the fights. I used to give big parties in my suite at Ceasars Palace. You know we just invite all the showgirls and party. (Laughs.) I can’t get into the details, but we had beautiful women at every party.
R.A.: I read about some heavyweight fight you had in San Francisco that’s not on record for some reason. It lasted only 17 seconds.
Foster: Oh Yeah, I can’t even think of that guy’s name. He was a cruiserweight, but they didn’t have cruiserweights in them days, you was either light heavy or heavyweight. The bell for the first round I went out and hit him on the chin with a right hand, lifted him clear up off his feet and blood shot out of both his ears. That’s how hard I hit him. I don’t know why that’s not in the record book.
R.A.: What year was it about?
Foster: probably around ’64, ’65. I hit him with a right hand but I also had a left jab like the average fighter’s best punch. I used to train with a one-pound weight in my hand. I ran with it, I hit the bag with it, and I kept that one-pound weight. Right now my left shoulder is bigger than my right shoulder. And I can still punch.
R.A.: How did you know when it was time to finally hang up the gloves?
Foster: Well, I didn’t want to wind up like Ali walking on my damn heels, not knowing where I am half the time. So I just hung it up. I had my fun. Everybody’s got to go. You can’t stay in there forever. (George) Foreman was talking ’bout he wanna go back in there. Foreman’s a damn fool.
R.A.: So after being world champion for all those years you became a lawman, a deputy sheriff, down in New Mexico. That’s a serious transition.
Foster: One thing my mother always taught me, she said I don’t care what you become in this world, you always keeps yourself a job.
And it was fun, I always wanted to be a cop.
R.A.: Who are some fighters you enjoyed watching after you retired?
Foster: James Toney. He got my style. I don’t know where he got it from, but I like his style, where he got his left hand low, hiding behind his shoulder. He was classy. That kid from Puerto Rico, (Felix) Trinidad, I liked to see him fight. The best fighter I think was out there was the Russian kid, Kostya Tszyu. Man, that sucker could punch. Man, when he hit Zab Judah on the chin (laughs hysterically). Zab didn’t even know he was knocked out. (Laughing) The guy starts choking the referee (laughs). Kostya Tszyu. Man, that sucker was bad.
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Best would be if you're a boxer and have 85-86 inch reach.
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I've heard of bob foster but never seen him fight, will have to watch a few on youtube..
Agree with the poster about how the fighters are as good as any era...
The pound for pound list has some top fighters, likes of lomachenko, Mikey Garcia, ggg, ward, kov, rigga, chocolito, etc etc
As for heavies, AJ,fury, wilder, klit, even parker are all top fighters...
Wilder probly has ge biggest punch in all boxing, from when it started to now...AJ will still chin him tho
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Foster claims he's the hardest puncher ever
Julian Jackson is my main man though 8)
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its also worth noting that anyone under 200lbs
is a twink and unable to fight properly
with a couple of notable exceptions
small weak people should stfu and bow down to genetically superior super males
If it helps you feel better about your life, keep telling yourself that.
Sounds like have you an inferiority complex.
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I've heard of bob foster but never seen him fight, will have to watch a few on youtube..
Foster was great in the light heavy class, suffered a bit when he tried to move up to heavy. Hard to find good copies of his fights, but two of his best knock outs are up, the back to back ones of Mike Quarry (Jerry Quarry's little brother) and Vincente Rondon. Rondon was first, Quarry about two months later -
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If it helps you feel better about your life, keep telling yourself that.
Sounds like have you an inferiority complex.
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its also worth noting that anyone under 200lbs
is a twink and unable to fight properly
with a couple of notable exceptions
small weak people should stfu and bow down to genetically superior super males
;D
Rocky Marciano was still awesome.
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Marciano underrated by some people, had the heart of a lion, best conditioned heavyweight ever, could go toe to toe in the ring with anybody from any era. Not saying Marciano could beat everybody, he would give anybody a brawl they would never forget though
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Marciano underrated by some people, had the heart of a lion, best conditioned heavyweight ever, could go toe to toe in the ring with anybody from any era. Not saying Marciano could beat everybody, he would give anybody a brawl they would never forget though
My boxing coach claims rocky was very over rated
He also said that sugar ray Robinson was the best fighter ever
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For me prime mike tyson (1985-1987) is the best and most entertaining HW fighter ever.
Marciano,Jack Dempsey and Joe Lois are also my favs.
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Some of you guys that have never fought in the ring should shut the fuck up. Your opinions are meaningless. I had 5 fights in the ring. I was 4 -1. The loss was my first fight. I stopped because I realized I was way to pretty to be boxing.
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Thanks for the correction my Jewish friend
That's true but he would have beat him on points then
Shalom!
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Some of you guys that have never fought in the ring should shut the fuck up. Your opinions are meaningless. I had 5 fights in the ring. I was 4 -1. The loss was my first fight. I stopped because I realized I was way to pretty to be boxing.
What if we've been pounded in the ring, just asking for a friend......
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My boxing coach claims rocky was very over rated
He also said that sugar ray Robinson was the best fighter ever
If he's talking technically then yes.Sugar ray was a skilled boxer while Rocky was a brawler who would beat his opponent down with body shot after body shot.
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If he's talking technically then yes.Sugar ray was a skilled boxer while Rocky was a brawler who would beat his opponent down with body shot after body shot.
He said rocky never faced any good heavies as Louis was past his prime when he got beat and the other heavies he faced rather sucked
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He said rocky never faced any good heavies as Louis was past his prime when he got beat and the other heavies he faced rather sucked
He could only fight who was in his era.same could be said about Tyson and others but it shouldn't be held against them to my thinking.
Every great fighter fought a bunch of bums along the way.
Another way to think about it is that some of these so called bums were good fighters who just ended up in the ring with a much better fighter then themselves.
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He could only fight who was in his era.same could be said about Tyson and others but it shouldn't be held against them to my thinking.
Every great fighter fought a bunch of bums along the way.
Another way to think about it is that some of these so called bums were good fighters who just ended up in the ring with a much better fighter then themselves.
Point taken
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Here's a neat old PBS documentary on the business end and matchmaking in boxing. It stars a young Shannon "Let's Go Champ" Briggs. It's a decent short watch -
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