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No need to worry though
Trump is the self proclaimed worlds greatest negotiator and all he has to negotiate with his own party so that should be pretty easy
On the campaign trail he told Trumptards that government is broken and that he alone could fix it
He also said that there will be insurance for everybody and healthcare will be a “lot less expensive” for everyone so he just needs to get his own party to do that. Not sure why that is so difficult for Republicans to understand. Just write that up and Trump is ready to sign it.
Seems like it's time for Trump to get off his fat ass and start his negotiating magic so that everyone can finally get the less expensive and very excellent health care that he promised
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And?
You get dumber by the post.
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And?
You get dumber by the post.
and?
that's the only thing thought that bubbles up in your pumpkin sized noggin?
that's cool
I guess that means Trump will start his negotiating magic and very soon EVERYONE will have cheaper and better insurance just like he promised (of course that was before he said "no one knew how complicated this was" but don't worry about that)
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and?
that's the only thing thought that bubbles up in your pumpkin sized noggin?
that's cool
I guess that means Trump will start his negotiating magic and very soon EVERYONE will have cheaper and better insurance just like he promised (of course that was before he said "no one knew how complicated this was" but don't worry about that)
You mean unlike Obamacare where there was no negotiation and just rammed down our throats despite overwhelming rejection of it? "You can read after it passes" face it, it was purposely set up to fail as an attempt to create a single payer
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You mean unlike Obamacare where there was no negotiation and just rammed down our throats despite overwhelming rejection of it? "You can read after it passes" face it, it was purposely set up to fail as an attempt to create a single payer
nope
nothing like that
Obama was able to get his party to pass it
so totally unlike Trumptard
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nope
nothing like that
Obama was able to get his party to pass it
so totally unlike Trumptard
His party are minions and would say yes to anything which is why his administration was a disaster not to mention the coercion to Roberts to pass it
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well now that "repealing and replacing the disaster known as Obamacare ... it's going to be so easy" ain't happening, at least Trump's delivering on his other major campaign promise of building a wall with Mexico paying for it.
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well now that "repealing and replacing the disaster known as Obamacare ... it's going to be so easy" ain't happening, at least Trump's delivering on his other major campaign promise of building a wall with Mexico paying for it.
Serious question. Are you from Canada?
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His party are minions and would say yes to anything which is why his administration was a disaster not to mention the coercion to Roberts to pass it
don't worry
Trump is a master at striking deals and all Repubs have to do is write legislation that gives everyone cheaper and better insurance
that should be a pretty easy sell for Trump
The Repubs can just write that up and Trumptard will sign it
they should do that tomorrow
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This is an example of the demise of our political parties.
Instead of getting together and fixing the ACA, Trump and many Republicans want to pass a bill that would make healthcare worse.
I would be more than happy to give Trump/Republicans credit for making the ACA better but a good healthcare plan doesn't seem to be their priority.
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This is an example of the demise of our political parties.
Instead of getting together and fixing the ACA, Trump and many Republicans want to pass a bill that would make healthcare worse.
I would be more than happy to give Trump/Republicans credit for making the ACA better but a good healthcare plan doesn't seem to be their priority.
How can it be worse than Obamacare?
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How can it be worse than Obamacare?
The ACA has around a 50% approval rating
The AHCA is under 20%
CBO says it's a disaster
Have you seen any townhalls packed with people (dems/repubs) for AHCA?
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The ACA has around a 50% approval rating
The AHCA is under 20%
CBO says it's a disaster
Have you seen any townhalls packed with people (dems/repubs) for AHCA?
Welfare is popular for people not paying for free shit
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Welfare is popular for people not paying for free shit
You don't want national healthcare and that's fine but the Republicans have been running on it for about 8 years now.
By the way, the knock on the ACA is that it's too expensive not "free shit".
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You don't want national healthcare and that's fine but the Republicans have been running on it for about 8 years now.
By the way, the knock on the ACA is that it's too expensive not "free shit".
Its free for people not paying for it - for those of us who do - its a gigantic scam and POS
And Strawfagget can F off citing polls as to its popularity. Yeah he likes it cause his HIV treatment is free after so many truck stops and dirty needles w his fellow pajama boys.
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Hey Trumptards, try to remember what Retard in Chief promised on health care
1. INSURANCE FOR EVERYBODY
2. NO CUTS … TO MEDICAID
3. NO ONE WILL LOSE COVERAGE
4. NOBODY WILL BE WORSE OFF FINANCIALLY
5. GET RID OF ARTIFICIAL LINES
6. EVERYBODY’S GOING TO BE TAKEN CARE OF
Repubs just need to write a bill that does all of that and Trump will sign it
I don't see why this is taking so long. Trump just needs to go to Congress and explain this to them using some of his negotiating magic and then Congress can write it up and Trump will sign it
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You don't want national healthcare and that's fine but the Republicans have been running on it for about 8 years now.
By the way, the knock on the ACA is that it's too expensive not "free shit".
No, no national health care. The only way to get health care as close to perfect as possible it has to be in a free market. Government should have little involvement.
You're right, the Republicans have had eight years and they're not getting it done, it's on them.
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Hey Trumptards, try to remember what Retard in Chief promised on health care
1. INSURANCE FOR EVERYBODY
2. NO CUTS … TO MEDICAID
3. NO ONE WILL LOSE COVERAGE
4. NOBODY WILL BE WORSE OFF FINANCIALLY
5. GET RID OF ARTIFICIAL LINES
6. EVERYBODY’S GOING TO BE TAKEN CARE OF
Repubs just need to write a bill that does all of that and Trump will sign it
I don't see why this is taking so long. Trump just needs to go to Congress and explain this to them using some of his negotiating magic and then Congress can write it up and Trump will sign it
Hey nitwit, It's not Trump, it's the republicans. He's ready to sign. Was that too difficult for you to understand?
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Let the system crash and burn
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Hey nitwit, It's not Trump, it's the republicans. He's ready to sign. Was that too difficult for you to understand?
Hey Trumptard - try reading my post
I don't see why this is taking so long. Trump just needs to go to Congress and explain this to them using some of his negotiating magic and then Congress can write it up and Trump will sign it
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Just another reminder to all you Trumptards
Tard in Chief said that no one knows the system better than he does and that HE ALONE can fix it
Unless that was simply the most arrogant and ignorant statement ever uttered by a political candidate on the face of the earth then what is taking so long?
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The problem with this Trumptard thing is that you're going to have to find a new one when Trump is no longer president. We can keep calling you Libtards forever.
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The problem with this Trumptard thing is that you're going to have to find a new one when Trump is no longer president. We can keep calling you Libtards forever.
Anyone who was dumb enough to vote for Trump is a Trumptard for life
They were actually Trumptards from birth
Being a Trumptard is a pre-existing condition
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This is great that it didn't pass! At least there are a few moral individuals in the Republican Party left, unlike the Democratic Party.
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This is great that it didn't pass! At least there are a few moral individuals in the Republican Party left, unlike the Democratic Party.
very good that it didn't pass
Now they can write up the legislation that gives everyone all the things that Trump promised
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This is great that it didn't pass! At least there are a few moral individuals in the Republican Party left, unlike the Democratic Party.
just so we're clear, there was no vote so saying it didn't pass is not accurate
It was opposed by some Republican and ALL Democrats so in this one case the Republican rose to the level of Democrats
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just so we're clear, there was no vote so saying it didn't pass is not accurate
It was opposed by some Republican and ALL Democrats so in this one case the Republican rose to the level of Democrats
Yeah because its not a real repeals of communist Kenya garbageCare
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You mean unlike Obamacare where there was no negotiation and just rammed down our throats despite overwhelming rejection of it? "You can read after it passes" face it, it was purposely set up to fail as an attempt to create a single payer
1993: Health care takes center stage
President Bill Clinton took on an ill-fated effort to reform health care in 1993. As the president’s task force (led by First Lady Hillary Rodham Clinton) worked behind closed doors to craft solutions to ever-rising health care costs and a growing number of uninsured families, Republicans scrambled to forge an alternative.
Republican Sen. John Chafee of Rhode Island was the point man. The bill he introduced, Health Equity and Access Reform Today, (yes, that spells HEART) had a list of 20 co-sponsors that was a who’s who of Republican leadership. There was Minority Leader Bob Dole, R- Kan., Sens. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, Richard Lugar, R-Ind., and many others. There also were two Democratic co-sponsors.
Among other features, the Chafee bill included:
An individual mandate;
Creation of purchasing pools;
Standardized benefits;
Vouchers for the poor to buy insurance;
A ban on denying coverage based on a pre-existing condition.
"You would find a great deal of similarity to provisions in the Affordable Care Act," Sheila Burke, Dole’s chief of staff in 1993, told PunditFact via email. "The guys were way ahead of the times!! Different crowd, different time, suffice it to say."
Qualls said the Affordable Care Act "was the Republican plan in the '90s." The bill she had in mind did have a strong roster of Republicans behind it, and it did share many major features with the Affordable Care Act. There were some significant differences but in a side-by-side comparison, the similarities dominate.
http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2013/nov/15/ellen-qualls/aca-gop-health-care-plan-1993/ (http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2013/nov/15/ellen-qualls/aca-gop-health-care-plan-1993/)
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Chafee was hardly a real republican
1993: Health care takes center stage
President Bill Clinton took on an ill-fated effort to reform health care in 1993. As the president’s task force (led by First Lady Hillary Rodham Clinton) worked behind closed doors to craft solutions to ever-rising health care costs and a growing number of uninsured families, Republicans scrambled to forge an alternative.
Republican Sen. John Chafee of Rhode Island was the point man. The bill he introduced, Health Equity and Access Reform Today, (yes, that spells HEART) had a list of 20 co-sponsors that was a who’s who of Republican leadership. There was Minority Leader Bob Dole, R- Kan., Sens. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, Richard Lugar, R-Ind., and many others. There also were two Democratic co-sponsors.
Among other features, the Chafee bill included:
An individual mandate;
Creation of purchasing pools;
Standardized benefits;
Vouchers for the poor to buy insurance;
A ban on denying coverage based on a pre-existing condition.
"You would find a great deal of similarity to provisions in the Affordable Care Act," Sheila Burke, Dole’s chief of staff in 1993, told PunditFact via email. "The guys were way ahead of the times!! Different crowd, different time, suffice it to say."
Qualls said the Affordable Care Act "was the Republican plan in the '90s." The bill she had in mind did have a strong roster of Republicans behind it, and it did share many major features with the Affordable Care Act. There were some significant differences but in a side-by-side comparison, the similarities dominate.
http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2013/nov/15/ellen-qualls/aca-gop-health-care-plan-1993/ (http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2013/nov/15/ellen-qualls/aca-gop-health-care-plan-1993/)
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Chafee was hardly a real republican
There was Minority Leader Bob Dole, R- Kan., Sens. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, Richard Lugar, R-Ind., and many others. There also were two Democratic co-sponsors.
Was Dole or Hatch or Grassley?
That was at a time when politicians seemed to care more about American people than their political parties.
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There was Minority Leader Bob Dole, R- Kan., Sens. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, Richard Lugar, R-Ind., and many others. There also were two Democratic co-sponsors.
Was Dole or Hatch or Grassley?
That was at a time when politicians seemed to care more about American people than their political parties.
Bi-Partisan usually means both are joining in on the screw job together.
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Bi-Partisan usually means both are joining in on the screw job together.
Isn't that what many politicians from both sides of the fence do?
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Needs medical insurance for this pre-existing condition.
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just so we're clear, there was no vote so saying it didn't pass is not accurate
It was opposed by some Republican and ALL Democrats so in this one case the Republican rose to the level of Democrats
As soon as I posted that I knew that you would pick that out. Something that has no relevance in reality.
The second half of your next sentence is not accurate. They haven't quite sunk that low yet but they are getting there. Lee, Cruz, Paul still have some backbone/honesty left.
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You mean unlike Obamacare where there was no negotiation and just rammed down our throats despite overwhelming rejection of it? "You can read after it passes" face it, it was purposely set up to fail as an attempt to create a single payer
Dumb ass. You work hard at being so dumb or does it come naturally for you?
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Is it true that Mitch McCoward pulled his support regarding his own healthcare bill at the end?
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As soon as I posted that I knew that you would pick that out. Something that has no relevance in reality.
The second half of your next sentence is not accurate. They haven't quite sunk that low yet but they are getting there. Lee, Cruz, Paul still have some backbone/honesty left.
glad to see you admit that your chosen words have no relevance to reality
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well now that "repealing and replacing the disaster known as Obamacare ... it's going to be so easy" ain't happening, at least Trump's delivering on his other major campaign promise of building a wall with Mexico paying for it.
ouch
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As soon as I posted that I knew that you would pick that out. Something that has no relevance in reality.
The second half of your next sentence is not accurate. They haven't quite sunk that low yet but they are getting there. Lee, Cruz, Paul still have some backbone/honesty left.
There's no defense for this. When a republican does the same thing as a democrat, the republican is a hero and the democrat is wrong. Good night.
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Anyone who was dumb enough to vote for Trump is a Trumptard for life
They were actually Trumptards from birth
Being a Trumptard is a pre-existing condition
Seriously? You were going to vote for Bernie Sanders....derp!
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Dumb ass. You work hard at being so dumb or does it come naturally for you?
Wasn't even close to what I was referring too but go ahead and spin it anyway
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Wasn't even close to what I was referring too but go ahead and spin it anyway
Pesky little facts. Hurt your little brain.
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Wasn't even close to what I was referring too but go ahead and spin it anyway
it's nearly a bulls eye to what you were referring to
the only thing he forgot to mention is that the Senate Republicans drafted their bill in secret not even letting most members of their own party in on the process
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Wasn't even close to what I was referring too but go ahead and spin it anyway
Pretty much exactly what you were referring to...
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Pretty much exactly what you were referring to...
Exactly. He tried this EXACT same argument in two other threads and when I posted that, he said the same thing. "Wasn't what I was referring to".
Apparently it is possible for a person to be so stupid, that they don't even know they are stupid and wonder why they always miss the obvious. Coach simply regurgitates talking points that he can't understand in the first place.
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Is it true that Mitch McCoward pulled his support regarding his own healthcare bill at the end?
Haven't heard that. I believe he pulled the bill because there were not enough votes to pass it. At least three Republican legislators publicly said they wouldn't vote to pass it.
WASHINGTON — One day after President Trump declared he wanted to let the current health care law fail, he pressed Republican senators to agree to an alternative plan to replace Obamacare before taking any August recess.
"I don't think we should leave town unless we have a health insurance plan," Trump said during a White House lunch attended by 49 of the 52 Republican senators. "We shouldn't leave town until this is complete, until this bill is on my desk."
But Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., was already hedging about whether that's possible.
He promised to hold a vote next week to debate a bill to simply repeal Obamacare – without a replacement – but it's not clear whether he even has the votes to do that.
"It's pretty obvious we've had difficulty in getting 50 votes," McConnell said.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/07/19/donald-trump-hosts-republicans-lunch-hash-out-health-care-plan/491299001/
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THey need to have the vote so people know how they voted, so we can vote the no's out of office.
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There's no defense for this. When a republican does the same thing as a democrat, the republican is a hero and the democrat is wrong. Good night.
What are you babbling about? The republicans I named did not support either crap bill. Your heroes did and started this mess. You and your party are complete sheep. Republicans have a few left that are not.
Your post makes no sense. No defense for not supporting junk bills? I guess in your world you should do what your party says even if they are wrong.
Both parties are terrible at this point except your complete allegiance goes to yours. Embarrassing. You are getting close to Grasping type levels recently.
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glad to see you admit that your chosen words have no relevance to reality
Glad to see you have no defense for your inaccurate statement.
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Glad to see you have no defense for your inaccurate statement.
Oh the irony ::)
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Mazrim, Fuzzy Nuts, it's good to see you both getting along with each other. ::)