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The best ever! ;)
Better than Arnold, Dorian, Ronnie and Heath and Flex Wheeler.
The most complete and least flawed bodybuilder of all time. The greatest Mr. Olympia of all time. The best poser of all Mr. Olympias including Arnold and Zane. His pose game is sick in the second video. flow and transitions are second to none. He's the best ever. Deal with it.
Haney Double encore!!
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WIGGS, You are one of the most knowledgeable GetBiggers I've had the opportunity to meet regarding this subject of bodybuilding.
For you GetBig Wigg's fans, this opinion of Wiggs and his bodybuilding knowledge is based on our discussion at a reent USA Championship Contest of what was happening on that bodybuilding stage and what was going on through the minds of the judges, and who would be called out first, and placed where ... and all that other bodybuildinfg 'hoo-daa', and Wiggs as 'spot-on'.
Spot-on enough that I strngly recommended that he become a bodybuilding judge of the official knid.
But, WIGGS, I gotta disagree with you rearding LEE and ask for a second opinion with a bit of assistance from myself ....
How about Serge Nubret???!
BTW ...Lee is definitely one of the best of the good guys in this game.
We were friends of lng ago and recmmended that he hold his poses for the judges instead of for the fans in the cheap seats in the back.
And then just a little bit later .... He thanked me saying that that recommendation of mine was one of the main factors for his victory!
Serge never had any reason to thank me, but I still think that he deserves your intelligent consideration.
Your LV friend, Stunt
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Agreed
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Lee had an awesome physique, but he had his flaws as well, such as his legs(!) and arms. He was also often holding some water.
A prime Ronnie (first couple of Olympia wins) would beat him in these departments.
(http://cdn.icecreamlean.com/jw-images/ronnie-coleman-mr-olympia-8.jpg) (https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-64beb07d50378808ff2ba9d3ccdcf506-c)
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Lee had an awesome physique, but he had his flaws as well, such as his legs(!) and arms. He was also often holding some water.
A prime Ronnie (first couple of Olympia wins) would beat him in these departments.
(http://cdn.icecreamlean.com/jw-images/ronnie-coleman-mr-olympia-8.jpg) (https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-64beb07d50378808ff2ba9d3ccdcf506-c)
In contrast to Ronnie, Haney has a brain
And I've never seen a gut photo of Haney
Small waist, yes, Haney was quality
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everything in proportion is the problem.
no body part really stands out. boring.
thats like a woman having a flat ass, yes it may be in proportion to the rest of her body, but who cares?
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Ronnie was good for 3 years 98 and 99, after that hot garbage. Even in his prime, he had garbage calves and garbage abs. Ronnie ended looking his worst, Haney ended looking his best, Haney wins. I'll take Haney 250lbs in 91 over Ronines 252 in 98 any day of the week. Ronnie may have more detail and larger legs because of the change in judging but Haney had a more complete physique. Thas not a mattern of opinion.
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WIGGS, You are one of the most knowledgeable GetBiggers I've had the opportunity to meet regarding this subject of bodybuilding.
For you GetBig Wigg's fans, this opinion of Wiggs and his bodybuilding knowledge is based on our discussion at a reent USA Championship Contest of what was happening on that bodybuilding stage and what was going on through the minds of the judges, and who would be called out first, and placed where ... and all that other bodybuildinfg 'hoo-daa', and Wiggs as 'spot-on'.
Spot-on enough that I strngly recommended that he become a bodybuilding judge of the official knid.
But, WIGGS, I gotta disagree with you rearding LEE and ask for a second opinion with a bit of assistance from myself ....
How about Serge Nubret???!
BTW ...Lee is definitely one of the best of the good guys in this game.
We were friends of lng ago and recmmended that he hold his poses for the judges instead of for the fans in the cheap seats in the back.
And then just a little bit later .... He thanked me saying that that recommendation of mine was one of the main factors for his victory!
Serge never had any reason to thank me, but I still think that he deserves your intelligent consideration.
Your LV friend, Stunt
Stunt! What's up ma' man, hope all is well. Thats cool about Haney. Serge was a great bodybuilder and had a beautiful physique but Haney had better structure, better legs and was in better shape. I've seen pics of Serge next to Arnold and I understand why he never beat Arnold.
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Lee had an awesome physique, but he had his flaws as well, such as his legs(!) and arms. He was also often holding some water.
A prime Ronnie (first couple of Olympia wins) would beat him in these departments.
(http://cdn.icecreamlean.com/jw-images/ronnie-coleman-mr-olympia-8.jpg) (https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-64beb07d50378808ff2ba9d3ccdcf506-c)
His legs are a flaw I'd like you to explain to me how having 34 or 36 inch quads is proportional on a 5'10 frame alla Ronnie. The quads are blown out it needs to stop it looks ridiculous. Haney's and Yates quads from 91 Olympia is the max it should be. That's proportions.. Something freak lovers like to ignore. And on his arms, they aren't small. We're just used to seeing overblown arms not in proportion. It's skewed your judgement.
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How was he the greatest? Because of the amount of statues he won? The competition was weak in the 1980s and Phil has almost as many, yet most people don't consider him the greatest by any means (other than arms). Lee is still in decent health and had kept a low profile, so he deserves respect for those two things compared to the injury/death-prone and buffoonish antics of current and retired pros (Kai, McCarver, Silvio, Atwood, Titus, etc.).
Yates would crush him in any pose you could possibly choose, and didn't have the benefits of black genetics. Ronnie was the freakiest ever in 2003/4, but that doesn't make him the greatest ever. It makes him the biggest freak on stage, like Ruhl in 2002 or Paul in the late '90s.
Yates had his chance and got that ass tapped. Get over it. Haney was superior. I'm not getting into the 93 Dorian would have blah, blah, blah.... would've could've. So re read what I posted originally. Least amount of flaws and most complete. Meaning closest to perfect. That the biggest and most shredded. That's where it went wrong.
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Yates had his chance and got that ass tapped. Get over it. Haney was superior. I'm not getting into the 93 Dorian would have blah, blah, blah.... would've could've. So re read what I posted originally. Least amount of flaws and most complete. Meaning closest to perfect. That the biggest and most shredded. That's where it went wrong.
Yates beat a best ever Haney in the muscularity round in 1991 , think about that. You're not going to get into 93 Dorian because he would have mopped the floor with Haney 1991 and anyone with a working knowledge of bodybuilding knows this.
Dorian had fewer flaws than Lee and Ronnie
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Yates beat a best ever Haney in the muscularity round in 1991 , think about that. You're not going to get into 93 Dorian because he would have mopped the floor with Haney 1991 and anyone with a working knowledge of bodybuilding knows this.
Dorian had fewer flaws than Lee and Ronnie
I don't care about winning a round shows count. Haney won when they competed end of story. 93 means nothing to me because he didn't compete. And no, Dorian didnt. If the judging standards remained the same from 92 and earlier Haney has less flaws. The judging changed when Dorian became Mr. O. So according to traditional judging standards from Haney and before, he is the most complete and least flawed bodybuilder. If you judge Dorian by those standards, he loses to Haney.
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His legs are a flaw I'd like you to explain to me how having 34 or 36 inch quads is proportional on a 5'10 frame alla Ronnie. The quads are blown out it needs to stop it looks ridiculous. Haney's and Yates quads from 91 Olympia is the max it should be. That's proportions.. Something freak lovers like to ignore. And on his arms, they aren't small. We're just used to seeing overblown arms not in proportion. It's skewed your judgement.
If there's one thing which will always be debated in the bodybuilding world, then it's symmetry/proportions.
I'm not a 'freak lover', so will will never defend a Ronnie with a gut. It's sad that a gifted man like him took the 'go bigger than ever' route. There was no need to do so, and he payed a high price for that.
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I don't care about winning a round shows count. Haney won when they competed end of story. 93 means nothing to me because he didn't compete. And no, Dorian didnt. If the judging standards remained the same from 92 and earlier Haney has less flaws. The judging changed when Dorian became Mr. O. So according to traditional judging standards from Haney and before, he is the most complete and least flawed bodybuilder. If you judge Dorian by those standards, he loses to Haney.
The judging standards never changed. You said he had his chance and got his ass tapped. NO,he didn't. He beat a career best Lee Haney in the muscularity round , that says a lot.
Dorian 1993 would mopped the floor with Haney and Ronnie !! Entertaining Dorian never entered the scene , Flew Wheeler 1993 would have beaten Lee 1991 !!
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He would've beaten Haney when Lee was at the same level of competitive history as he was, in other words, 1984-5. Haney beat him when he was close to retirement and physically at a peak. The comparison is like saying Yates mopped the floor with Ronnie in 1996; yes, he did, but Ronnie would've crushed him in 2003, so they weren't at the same point in their careers.
I'm talking purely physically. Yates had a much better package: grainy muscle bellies, fuller quads/hams, bigger calves, bigger back (by far), and rock-hard abs that could compete with Lee's, which had the same spaced-out look as Ronnie's. Yates >
Just like droppingplates it depends on the judging standard that you have. If you have the judging standard from 91 and before Haney wins all day. If you have it from 93 and on then Dorian wins because of Grainy and bigger and harder and all that stuff only comes in during the Dorian era but that's not traditional bodybuilding. Traditional bodybuilding is about proportions, size, symmetry, shape all of those together current bodybuilding excludes or limits some of those things. Traditional bodybuilding is about being the best, the most perfect bodybuilder with the least amount of flaws. This is why smaller guys back then could compete with larger guys because it was about the least amount of flaws and not just about size. Current bodybuilding is not like that it's gotten better but during Dorian's age or era it was about being the biggest in the hardest. This is why the open is a fail and classic physique is a win and eventually classic physique will be more popular and overtake the open as it stands. So like I said Haney is the most complete bodybuilder with the least amount of flaws.
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The judging standards never changed. You said he had his chance and got his ass tapped. NO,he didn't. He beat a career best Lee Haney in the muscularity round , that says a lot.
Dorian 1993 would mopped the floor with Haney and Ronnie !! Entertaining Dorian never entered the scene , Flew Wheeler 1993 would have beaten Lee 1991 !!
Yes the judging criteria certainly did change don't sit there and make a bold face lie right here with everybody seeing that you're out of your fucking mind, you're a Dorian lover I expect nothing less from you. So you can go fantasize about your 1993 show that will never happen but reality is Haiti whoop that ass of Dorian's. The end
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Serious question: how was Lee better than Arnold?
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Serious question: how was Lee better than Arnold?
Good question. I'll say this, Lee Haney drew his inspiration from Arnold Frank Zane and Robbie Robinson that's what he based his idea of what a physique should look like on.
Speaking on the physique only, Arnold had a bigger chest have bigger arms, was 2 inches taller. Haney had better structure, better back, better conditioning, better legs. Was bigger with better condition. That's why Lee is better.
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Did the IFBB re write or change the judging criteria in 93? I've never heard of this. Serious question.
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Did the IFBB re write or change the judging criteria in 93? I've never heard of this. Serious question.
They just started ignoring their rulebook.
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One of a kind
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gay thread reported
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Of the modern era, 93 Flex Wheeler. The End.
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Yes the judging criteria certainly did change don't sit there and make a bold face lie right here with everybody seeing that you're out of your fucking mind, you're a Dorian lover I expect nothing less from you. So you can go fantasize about your 1993 show that will never happen but reality is Haiti whoop that ass of Dorian's. The end
Lee retired out of fear of Yates. He knew his days were numbered. ;)
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Lee retired out of fear of Yates. He knew his days were numbered. ;)
How old was Lee, early 30s? He still had many a years left to compete. He could have brought his legs up to deal with the 90s guys, but he retired on top. It wasn't scared, it was more of he didn't want to "up the dosage to 90s (Yates and company) levels, as well as his wife's concern. What did he have left to prove? He beat Yates, and then he passed the torched to him. Yates continued the tradition of having a better back than the competition, but brought the freak factor aspect.
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How old was Lee, early 30s? He still had many a years left to compete. He could have brought his legs up to deal with the 90s guys, but he retired on top. It wasn't scared, it was more of he didn't want to "up the dosage to 90s (Yates and company) levels, as well as his wife's concern. What did he have left to prove? He beat Yates, and then he passed the torched to him. Yates continued the tradition of having a better back than the competition, but brought the freak factor aspect.
He didn't have anything to prove but after his victory speech he said he just finally learned how to peak and he hinted he would be back , He saw the writing on the wall.
Haney couldn't have improved his quads , hams or calves. NO version of Haney or Ronnie would beat Dorian 1993 and Haney wouldn't have beaten prime Flex , the sport flew by him , He got away with being the giant among dwarfs for a long time.
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He didn't have anything to prove but after his victory speech he said he just finally learned how to peak and he hinted he would be back , He saw the writing on the wall.
Haney couldn't have improved his quads , hams or calves. NO version of Haney or Ronnie would beat Dorian 1993 and Haney wouldn't have beaten prime Flex , the sport flew by him , He got away with being the giant among dwarfs for a long time.
Wait, what?! 2003 Ronnie (any version of Ronnie, for that matter) had better arms, chest, shoulders, thighs and back than Yates. Ronnie had Dorian on pretty much everything except calves.
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Wait, what?! 2003 Ronnie (any version of Ronnie, for that matter) had better arms, chest, shoulders, thighs and back than Yates. Ronnie had Dorian on pretty much everything except calves.
Yes , yes , better parts , parts DON'T WIN contests , poses do.
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Lee Haney 1991 Mr Olympia
Well Lee are you going to retire now? You know something I've been competing now for 9 years and I finally learned how to peak. So I might be around for a few more years.
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The judging standards never changed. You said he had his chance and got his ass tapped. NO,he didn't. He beat a career best Lee Haney in the muscularity round , that says a lot.
Dorian 1993 would mopped the floor with Haney and Ronnie !! Entertaining Dorian never entered the scene , Flew Wheeler 1993 would have beaten Lee 1991 !!
I am friends with a current IFBB judge and he states by current standards that a Phil Heath at his best would beat all. I am not shitting you. This is from a guy who was a former pro and he states quite honestly that Phil Heath, probably the version that won his first or second Olympia, would wipe the floor with Dorian or Yates. He told me that even with his narrow shoulder girdle, his muscle bellies and fullness and conditioning would have bested all. I am not a Phil fan, as I prefer freak RC or maybe 93 DY. It is interesting that Heath is not revered like these bodybuilders and a lot of that may be because he is a whiny brat. If he were a cool dude like Yates, I think he would get much more respect. What say you ND and Wiggs.
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Lee retired out of fear of Yates. He knew his days were numbered. ;)
Bold face m o t h e r f u c k I n g lie. His wife got him to do the 8th because he said he was tired and didn't know if he had it in him to do another. She wanted him to beat Arnold's record. Once he did that was it. Dorian never was a determining factor in the career of Lee Haney. That's fucking laughable.
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He didn't have anything to prove but after his victory speech he said he just finally learned how to peak and he hinted he would be back , He saw the writing on the wall.
Haney couldn't have improved his quads , hams or calves. NO version of Haney or Ronnie would beat Dorian 1993 and Haney wouldn't have beaten prime Flex , the sport flew by him , He got away with being the giant among dwarfs for a long time.
Lee Haney would have won his 9th Sandow in 1992, Yates was no better that year then he was in 1991. I do agree he raised the freak factor bar in 1993 that was ultimately crushed by Ronnie Coleman in 2003.
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Yes , yes , better parts , parts DON'T WIN contests , poses do.
You are funny a 2003 RC would shit out a Dorian Yates. That is fact not fiction unlike your delusions.
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Yes , yes , better parts , parts DON'T WIN contests , poses do.
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I am friends with a current IFBB judge and he states by current standards that a Phil Heath at his best would beat all. I am not shitting you. This is from a guy who was a former pro and he states quite honestly that Phil Heath, probably the version that won his first or second Olympia, would wipe the floor with Dorian or Yates. He told me that even with his narrow shoulder girdle, his muscle bellies and fullness and conditioning would have bested all. I am not a Phil fan, as I prefer freak RC or maybe 93 DY. It is interesting that Heath is not revered like these bodybuilders and a lot of that may be because he is a whiny brat. If he were a cool dude like Yates, I think he would get much more respect. What say you ND and Wiggs.
Because this ers of judging pushes fullness. Ronnie, Dorian and Haney era didn't. They change the judging criteria but not the rules on paper. It should have stayed with that it was with Haney.
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You are funny a 2003 RC would shit out a Dorian Yates. That is fact not fiction unlike your delusions.
Yeah Buddy , Yip Yip
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Bold face m o t h e r f u c k I n g lie. His wife got him to do the 8th because he said he was tired and didn't know if he had it in him to do another. She wanted him to beat Arnold's record. Once he did that was it. Dorian never was a determining factor in the career of Lee Haney. That's fucking laughable.
Dude , you heard him. After he realized he didn't win the muscularity round he knew the writing was on the wall retire or face the wrath !!!
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He didn't have anything to prove but after his victory speech he said he just finally learned how to peak and he hinted he would be back , He saw the writing on the wall.
Haney couldn't have improved his quads , hams or calves. NO version of Haney or Ronnie would beat Dorian 1993 and Haney wouldn't have beaten prime Flex , the sport flew by him , He got away with being the giant among dwarfs for a long time.
Haney had the old school look with his quads. His look was being slowly replaced. Even Sonny Schmidt had fuller quads. I think he could have improved his quads, not his arms, but his quads. Again, it was a mixture of things. Haney was still young. But, it's good that he retired, he went on to do other things, plus he was grounded with a family. Bodybuilding didn't defined him, he defined bodybuilding.
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Haney had the old school look with his quads. His look was being slowly replaced. Even Sonny Schmidt had fuller quads. I think he could have improved his quads, not his arms, but his quads. Again, it was a mixture of things. Haney was still young. But, it's good that he retired, he went on to do other things, plus he was grounded with a family. Bodybuilding didn't defined him, he defined bodybuilding.
Haney has ALL of my respect. Retried in his best condition ever. Went out on top and we've yet to see that from anyone after him. I doubt he could have improved his quads , maybe but his hams & calves never. He was young , however he started young too. You're right bodybuilding didn't define him he used it as a tool , and let it go , something others can't seem to follow.
When pushed on who was better him or Ronnie , reluctantly he came to the conclusion that he was the only 8 time Mr Olympia with a 31" waist 8)
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I am friends with a current IFBB judge and he states by current standards that a Phil Heath at his best would beat all. I am not shitting you. This is from a guy who was a former pro and he states quite honestly that Phil Heath, probably the version that won his first or second Olympia, would wipe the floor with Dorian or Yates. He told me that even with his narrow shoulder girdle, his muscle bellies and fullness and conditioning would have bested all. I am not a Phil fan, as I prefer freak RC or maybe 93 DY. It is interesting that Heath is not revered like these bodybuilders and a lot of that may be because he is a whiny brat. If he were a cool dude like Yates, I think he would get much more respect. What say you ND and Wiggs.
Your friend is bad judge and he should step down immediately.
When Phil won his first Oylmpia it was because Cutler had the funky arm, so for a judge to say that Phil from his first win is the best of all time shows you how idiotic 1) that individual is and 2) the contests have become.
I can't even comment further...
I seriously hope you're trolling.
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Haney deserves at best, 4 of his Olympia wins. He sucks and pretty much the only reason he got 8 is Weider was trying to "teach" Arnold a lesson.
Fuck Weider and fuck Haney. He's a fake christian and was just as loaded with them "stayroids" as anybody else. His face ain't nothin' to write homo about and his physique is fine for his time. In a word, undeserving.
But since Wiggs is all about being black, I suppose one can understand his boyish worship of Haney. Nubret looked better. Robby Robinson looked better. Zane looked better. Arnold, as he does with everyone, makes Haney look like shit.
Wiggs is the black hole of racism. He just loves to suck it all in.
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Haney deserves at best, 4 of his Olympia wins. He sucks and pretty much the only reason he got 8 is Weider was trying to "teach" Arnold a lesson.
Fuck Weider and fuck Haney. He's a fake christian and was just as loaded with them "stayroids" as anybody else. His face ain't nothin' to write homo about and his physique is fine for his time. In a word, undeserving.
But since Wiggs is all about being black, I suppose one can understand his boyish worship of Haney. Nubret looked better. Robby Robinson looked better. Zane looked better. Arnold, as he does with everyone, makes Haney look like shit.
Wiggs is the black hole of racism. He just loves to suck it all in.
Why is Haney a "fake" Christian? Because he did steroids (they didn't become illegal until 1990)? Would he be a better Christian if he smoked and drank but stayed off the juice?
Wiggs doesn't strike me as a racist, he comes across as a proud man who happens to be black but it doesn't seem fair to call him a racist. :/
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Why is Haney a "fake" Christian? Because he did steroids (they didn't become illegal until 1990)? Would he be a better Christian if he smoked and drank but stayed off the juice?
Wiggs doesn't strike me as a racist, he comes across as a proud man who happens to be black but it doesn't seem fair to call him a racist. :/
Haney is about as "Christian" as Wiggs. I remember the ads with the idiot Haney saying "...I don't take no stayroids, only goot food and Weider supplements"...Haney is a typical lying sack of shit bodybuilder. Fuck him and his fake faith and "natural" physique.
And Wiggs has often talked of a negro god and negro Jayzuss wiping out whitey. Other than women (he's a typical racist in that) he hates "whitey". He's a racist fucktard and can't hold a thought for more than a month or two and then changes his opinion and starts belittling whatever career path he was on and announces yet another "This be the one!" BS.
And Haney was gifted more times than Barbra Streisand at her Bat Mitzvah. If you think otherwise, I don't mind. But Wiggs is a fucking racist pig and worthless as a human being.
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Haney is about as "Christian" as Wiggs. I remember the ads with the idiot Haney saying "...I don't take no stayroids, only goot food and Weider supplements"...Haney is a typical lying sack of shit bodybuilder. Fuck him and his fake faith and "natural" physique.
And Wiggs has often talked of a negro god and negro Jayzuss wiping out whitey. Other than women (he's a typical racist in that) he hates "whitey". He's a racist fucktard and can't hold a thought for more than a month or two and then changes his opinion and starts belittling whatever career path he was on and announces yet another "This be the one!" BS.
And Haney was gifted more times than Barbra Streisand at her Bat Mitzvah. If you think otherwise, I don't mind. But Wiggs is a fucking racist pig and worthless as a human being.
Lol, fair enough.
I do remember Haney doing the weider supplement and saying he didn't do steroids.
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Why is Haney a "fake" Christian? Because he did steroids (they didn't become illegal until 1990)? Would he be a better Christian if he smoked and drank but stayed off the juice?
Wiggs doesn't strike me as a racist, he comes across as a proud man who happens to be black but it doesn't seem fair to call him a racist. :/
Don't listen or read anything that fucktard says or writes. He's some random, poor, crazy old fuck with nothing in his life but this board that in his ignorant litte mind he believes he brings value to. People feel sorry for him and tolerate him. He has a hard on for me because I don't acknowledge his pathetic existence in conversation (there's no reason to, it would bring down my vibration levels). He's pathetic, just ignore him and laugh when he attempts to be funny to make him feel better. Keep in mind this is the pathetic loser that calls my father and tells him I believe the earth is flat. This untalented, creepy, limp dick pathetic blow hard, isn't worth the time or effort, I clearly was.
You have to understand you have a literally mentally ill man on this board. Handle with care if you haven't notice. Just pet his head and laugh, then turn and walk away....fast!
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sorry wether you love him or not Ronnie is by far and away the greatest of all time. Any other argument is ludicrous.
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Probably 1974 Arnold version would have beaten several versions of Haney from the 80s
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Probably 1974 Arnold version would have beaten several versions of Haney from the 80s
He only had arms on Haney, from the 80s. Arnold would have to place ahead of Labrada, Gaspari, Mike Christian, Bertil Fox, and others.
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He only had arms on Haney, from the 80s. Arnold would have to place ahead of Labrada, Gaspari, Mike Christian, Bertil Fox, and others.
I keep saying it, Arnold is the most overrated bodybuilder ever. He had great biceps, calves, a great chest and charisma. It worked for him back then, but times have changed...
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Don't listen or read anything that fucktard says or writes. He's some random, poor, crazy old fuck with nothing in his life but this board that in his ignorant litte mind he believes he brings value to. People feel sorry for him and tolerate him. He has a hard on for me because I don't acknowledge his pathetic existence in conversation (there's no reason to, it would bring down my vibration levels). He's pathetic, just ignore him and laugh when he attempts to be funny to make him feel better. Keep in mind this is the pathetic loser that calls my father and tells him I believe the earth is flat. This untalented, creepy, limp dick pathetic blow hard, isn't worth the time or effort, I clearly was.
You have to understand you have a literally mentally ill man on this board. Handle with care if you haven't notice. Just pet his head and laugh, then turn and walk away....fast!
Nibiru. Cucktard.
Phlat Earf. Cucktard.
Nursing school. Cucktard.
Your pathetic imitation of life. Cucktard.
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Keep in mind this is the pathetic loser that calls my father and tells him I believe the earth is flat. This untalented, creepy, limp dick pathetic blow hard, isn't worth the time or effort, I clearly was.
You have to understand you have a literally mentally ill man on this board. Handle with care if you haven't notice. Just pet his head and laugh, then turn and walk away....fast!
Man... you've written this before and I guess I wasn't sure if you were serious, but if you are, this is some pathetic shit. :-\ Is this actually true? Did he really call your parents to tell on you because he doesn't like you?
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Man... you've written this before and I guess I wasn't sure if you were serious, but if you are, this is some pathetic shit. :-\ Is this actually true? Did he really call your parents to tell on you because he doesn't like you?
I'm very serious and it was my father he called. Yes, this old fuck is so attention deprived from me like a scorned woman, he called my father and told him I believed the earth was flat. I guess he thought it would make me talk to him. It didnt. Absolutely pathetic. This is a grown ass old man were talking about.
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did your father respond "indeed it is" ?
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did your father respond "indeed it is" ?
He didn't give a shit. He said, how'd that psycho get this number? That's all he cared about.
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I'm very serious and it was my father he called. Yes, this old fuck is so attention deprived from me like a scorned woman, he called my father and told him I believed the earth was flat. I guess he thought it would make me talk to him. It didnt. Absolutely pathetic. This is a grown ass old man were talking about.
Wow. That actually takes pathetic to a whole new level. I understand strongly disliking someone because of their online personality. You use the same assessments you would use for people you interact with in real life. But calling someone's father because they said something you don't like? That's what 10-year old girls do.
You're not the only person scott has invented imaginary feuds with. I am, unfortunately, on that list along with a few others and we all say the same thing- he's a pathetic, old loser who takes this forum too seriously and is desperate for attention. For the most part, none of us acknowledge him, but he chases us around from thread to thread begging for attention. Not too long ago, he had a disagreement with another member and ended up taking a 4 month "sabbatical" from the board for his mental health. That's how he described it when he returned. I didn't even mention it for awhile because I honestly just felt bad for the dude.
Scott, I have a question for you. I'm actually directly addressing you for a change, so hopefully you can make it through the rest of this post without passing out from delirium. This is a real question, so just be real, spare me the depression-era insult. If you heard this story about another set of people, what would you think of the caller's behavior? Would you honestly think he was clever, funny or masculine? Or would you think his behavior was over-emotional, childish and effeminate? Does it sound like something a normal person would do?
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How many normal people use a bodybuilding forum in 2018? This site is full of antisocials, egotists, meatheads, overcompensators, and terminally aggrieved posters. I'd like to know what Scott sounds like...probably like an older white conservative American? If so, he must've been great conversation. Way better than the libtards like Primemuscle.
Bolded is true, but most of you losers are sane enough to confine the majority of your psychosis to this board . Or at the very least, attempt to conceal how much you're spiraling in real life.
Also, it's well-known that scott is a closet case, and if the conversation lasted more than 60 seconds, then he squeezed in at least 2 references to men's assholes, gay sex positions or drag queen trivia.
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the only reason im not making calls to all of you discussing the flat earth theory is because i dont have your phone numbers
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the only reason im not making calls to all of you discussing the flat earth theory is because i dont have your phone numbers
Based on your shitpost history, I have no doubt about that, but the question is would you be pathetic enough to call other posters' parents ?
Hmmm. Probably.
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Based on your shitpost history, I have no doubt about that, but the question is would you be pathetic enough to call other posters' parents ?
Hmmm. Probably.
again, only if i had their numbers
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again, only if i had their numbers
Yeah, that's what I said.
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Yeah, that's what I said.
sometimes i call random strangers on the phone asking if they prefer dorian or ronnie
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sometimes i call random strangers on the phone asking if they prefer dorian or ronnie
Scott calls random strangers and asks them to help him change his diaper. I am not sure which of you is winning.
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Haney, top 3 of all time for sure.
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Haney, top 3 of all time for sure.
Who do you have as the other 2 for your personally?
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Scott is really the stereotypical old man with a rake screaming at kids to get off his lawn. He fits the mold perfectly. It's why few people argue with him or pick apart his posts; it could be their grandfather talking, and you don't trash seniors. But if he really did call Wiggs' father, that's just hilarious.
;D
I am a seasoned citizen but far from being stereotypical, I possess a biting sense of humor and the ability to convey it via the written word. And with a barley average IQ. How that irks them no end.
As for Wiggs whining, if those here saying they believe him as regards me speaking with his "father", I would say they don't believe that idiot because if they did truly "think" that, they would be too scared to whine so much about me for fear of having me call their mums. ;)
Fuck 'em. ;D
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Don't listen or read anything that fucktard says or writes. He's some random, poor, crazy old fuck with nothing in his life but this board that in his ignorant litte mind he believes he brings value to. People feel sorry for him and tolerate him. He has a hard on for me because I don't acknowledge his pathetic existence in conversation (there's no reason to, it would bring down my vibration levels). He's pathetic, just ignore him and laugh when he attempts to be funny to make him feel better. Keep in mind this is the pathetic loser that calls my father and tells him I believe the earth is flat. This untalented, creepy, limp dick pathetic blow hard, isn't worth the time or effort, I clearly was.
You have to understand you have a literally mentally ill man on this board. Handle with care if you haven't notice. Just pet his head and laugh, then turn and walk away....fast!
;D ;D
Although I don’t read his posts, even though he believes I do, you just know he gets all bent out of shape for no reason lol. Geez, talking about taking this forum too seriously lol
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Of the modern era, 93 Flex Wheeler. The End.
Agreed. I do think that Haney is the greatest Mr. Olympia ever. But, the best ever physique on stage was IMO Wheeler at the '93 Arnold. He looked good that yr at the O as well, but the Arnold showing was just out of this world.
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In contrast to Ronnie, Haney has a brain
And I've never seen a gut photo of Haney
Small waist, yes, Haney was quality
You’re talking about two different eras in bodybuilding times.
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prime flex wheeler imho
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prime flex wheeler imho
whiny bitch
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;D ;D
Although I don’t read his posts, even though he believes I do, you just know he gets all bent out of shape for no reason lol. Geez, talking about taking this forum too seriously lol
I don't think this dumbfuck has been around long enough to see what has happened in the past to members that cross too many members the wrong way. Ask Squadfather, Groink, suckmymuscle, and so many others whose personal info was exposed and they were never the same again.
This creepy old fuck is on the same road and when it happens, he will go on another (safe space...pussy )sabbatical and never return... He would have the meltdown of meltdowns.
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How was he the greatest? Because of the amount of statues he won? The competition was weak in the 1980s and Phil has almost as many, yet most people don't consider him the greatest by any means (other than arms). Lee is still in decent health and had kept a low profile, so he deserves respect for those two things compared to the injury/death-prone and buffoonish antics of current and retired pros (Kai, McCarver, Silvio, Atwood, Titus, etc.).
Yates would crush him in any pose you could possibly choose, and didn't have the benefits of black genetics. Ronnie was the freakiest ever in 2003/4, but that doesn't make him the greatest ever. It makes him the biggest freak on stage, like Ruhl in 2002 or Paul in the late '90s.
The problem is that Haney beat Yates in 1991. So, Yates wouldn't "crush him in any pose". As long as Haney and Yates are the same size, Haney beats Yates, because Haney has better proportions and a smaller waist.
As for Yates' metamorphosis in 1993, some people assume that Haney couldn't make a similar transformation. He probably could.
And it isn't an age thing, per se, as Haney was only 3-4 years older than Yates.
The scary thing was that Haney claimed that he was just learning to peak in 1991. Again, at the same size, Haney beat Yates.
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The problem is that Haney beat Yates in 1991. So, Yates wouldn't "crush him in any pose". As long as Haney and Yates are the same size, Haney beats Yates, because Haney has better proportions and a smaller waist.
As for Yates' metamorphosis in 1993, some people assume that Haney couldn't make a similar transformation. He probably could.
And it isn't an age thing, per se, as Haney was only 3-4 years older than Yates.
The scary thing was that Haney claimed that he was just learning to peak in 1991. Again, at the same size, Haney beat Yates.
The problem is that Haney beat Yates in 1991. So, Yates wouldn't "crush him in any pose". As long as Haney and Yates are the same size, Haney beats Yates, because Haney has better proportions and a smaller waist.
The problem is that's not based in reality. Dorian beat a career best Lee Haney in the muscularity round DESPITE being 10lbs lighter!! All the mandatory poses a career best Lee lost to a lighter Dorian who mind you , was in his first Olympia ever and only his third pro show ever! Dorian was 239lbs in 1991 Lee was 249lbs , So they weren't the same size, and Haney didn't have better proportions , he had a narrower waist & hips and better " symmetry " that's it. Lee's balance & proportions weren't as good as Dorians. Lee was all upper body and his legs lagged behind.
As for Yates' metamorphosis in 1993, some people assume that Haney couldn't make a similar transformation. He probably could.
Again , NOT based in reality. Lee competed at 257lbs , and admittedly was out of shape. Lee could get bigger and his conditioning suffered for it. Dorian could compete at 257lbs and had conditioning Lee could never replicate even at lighter weights.
And it isn't an age thing, per se, as Haney was only 3-4 years older than Yates.
It's a mileage thing. They're similar in age , However Lee started much earlier than Dorian , competed a lot longer had much more experience. Lee said 1991 was his all-time best and he was 249lbs and lost the entire prejudging to a guy in his 3rd pro contest ever.
The scary thing was that Haney claimed that he was just learning to peak in 1991. Again, at the same size, Haney beat Yates.
The first part of this is accurate. The second part is not. They weren't the same size. Dorian was 10lbs lighter. Same size? Lee competed at 257lbs in 1989 , and was admittedly off , Dorian was 257lbs in 1993 with conditioning Lee could never replicate. Same size? Dorian mops the floor with Lee
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The problem is that's not based in reality. Dorian beat a career best Lee Haney in the muscularity round DESPITE being 10lbs lighter!! All the mandatory poses a career best Lee lost to a lighter Dorian who mind you , was in his first Olympia ever and only his third pro show ever! Dorian was 239lbs in 1991 Lee was 249lbs , So they weren't the same size, and Haney didn't have better proportions , he had a narrower waist & hips and better " symmetry " that's it. Lee's balance & proportions weren't as good as Dorians. Lee was all upper body and his legs lagged behind.
Again , NOT based in reality. Lee competed at 257lbs , and admittedly was out of shape. Lee could get bigger and his conditioning suffered for it. Dorian could compete at 257lbs and had conditioning Lee could never replicate even at lighter weights.
It's a mileage thing. They're similar in age , However Lee started much earlier than Dorian , competed a lot longer had much more experience. Lee said 1991 was his all-time best and he was 249lbs and lost the entire prejudging to a guy in his 3rd pro contest ever.
The first part of this is accurate. The second part is not. They weren't the same size. Dorian was 10lbs lighter. Same size? Lee competed at 257lbs in 1989 , and was admittedly off , Dorian was 257lbs in 1993 with conditioning Lee could never replicate. Same size? Dorian mops the floor with Lee
Come back to reality. He is said in his last Olympia in 91 in which he was his best shape he was 254. This was his best shape. In this interview he destroys your theories about afraid of Dorian and he confirms his weight. He can win all the muscular rounds he wants. You keep reiterating it because that's all you can do. Haney won the show, the end.
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Come back to reality. He is said in his last Olympia in 91 in which he was his best shape he was 254. This was his best shape. In this interview he destroys your theories about afraid of Dorian and he confirms his weight. He can win all the muscular rounds he wants. You keep reiterating it because that's all you can do. Haney won the show, the end.
I have his book and it confirms what was printed in magazines , he was 249lbs , again, Dorian was 10lbs lighter
I'm NOT claiming Dorian should have won the show , what I am saying Dorian 1993 would've demolished Any version of Haney . Dorian weighed 18 lbs less in 91and still best Lee in the muscularity round. Dorian 1993 is in another league compared to Lee
And Lee hinted he would be back for a few more years ,he didn't ,if you don't think Dorian was part of the reason you're fooling yourself
Lee could get away with beating a stringy Berry DeMey , a blocking Rick Gaspari and a Mike Christian with worse legs then him , Dorian was his first real challenge and he passed , barely. By 93 Dorian was superior to him and even if he never came into the picture , Lee wouldn't beat Flex Wheeler 1993
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I have his book and it confirms what was printed in magazines , he was 249lbs , again, Dorian was 10lbs lighter
I'm NOT claiming Dorian should have won the show , what I am saying Dorian 1993 would've demolished Any version of Haney . Dorian weighed 18 lbs less in 91and still best Lee in the muscularity round. Dorian 1993 is in another league compared to Lee
And Lee hinted he would be back for a few more years ,he didn't ,if you don't think Dorian was part of the reason you're fooling yourself
Lee could get away with beating a stringy Berry DeMey , a blocking Rick Gaspari and a Mike Christian with worse legs then him , Dorian was his first real challenge and he passed , barely. By 93 Dorian was superior to him and even if he never came into the picture , Lee wouldn't beat Flex Wheeler 1993
And 8 Mr Os as well as his wife were another reason as well. He had nothing left to prove, unless it was to satisfy his ego.
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And 8 Mr Os as well as his wife were another reason as well. He had nothing left to prove, unless it was to satisfy his ego.
I agree ,he had nothing left to prove ,he went out on top. Smart man
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funny seminar
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Mr. O 1985