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Title: Took almost a week off
Post by: Coach is Back! on January 08, 2019, 08:15:30 PM
Because the statin I’m on is literally debilitating with muscle aches and the inability to recover. Doc took me off today because he only had me on as a precaution even though my pipes are clean and a came back with a perfect blood panel.

Just an FYI for you old bastards on a statin of you’re wondering why you’re sore all the time. I was beginning to think that was overtrained.
Title: Re: Took almost a week off
Post by: Agnostic007 on January 08, 2019, 08:57:19 PM
You were taken off today... and you have declared that a success? Wouldn't it take a few days to see if it was the statin? Asking for a friend
Title: Re: Took almost a week off
Post by: Coach is Back! on January 08, 2019, 09:03:58 PM
You were taken off today... and you have declared that a success? Wouldn't it take a few days to see if it was the statin? Asking for a friend

I was taken off because of the side-effects.
Title: Re: Took almost a week off
Post by: SF1900 on January 08, 2019, 09:23:46 PM
PIP

I’ll give the eulogy.
Title: Re: Took almost a week off
Post by: Agnostic007 on January 08, 2019, 09:37:46 PM
I was taken off because of the side-effects.

Ok, so you and the doctor are speculating at this point it is the statin that is causing it and once you are off and the statin clears your system, if the symptom subsides then that is a logical conclusion.
Title: Re: Took almost a week off
Post by: Coach is Back! on January 08, 2019, 09:51:30 PM
Ok, so you and the doctor are speculating at this point it is the statin that is causing it and once you are off and the statin clears your system, if the symptom subsides then that is a logical conclusion.

There is no other logical conclusion. Good thing I pointed it out to him and he agreed.
Title: Re: Took almost a week off
Post by: kreator on January 09, 2019, 12:44:24 AM
would love to carry the casket, no homo
Title: Re: Took almost a week off
Post by: Powerlift66 on January 09, 2019, 12:50:49 AM
Because the statin I’m on is literally debilitating with muscle aches and the inability to recover. Doc took me off today because he only had me on as a precaution even though my pipes are clean and a came back with a perfect blood panel.

Just an FYI for you old bastards on a statin of you’re wondering why you’re sore all the time. I was beginning to think that was overtrained.

I went off earlier in the year, latest blood work results are the best ever. Taking Niacin, red yeast rice and citris bergamot and fish oil.
(Look around at oversea's places if you want real red yeast rice with low dose (natural) lovastatin in it). (If you still need a small statin).
Title: Re: Took almost a week off
Post by: Vince B on January 09, 2019, 01:16:36 AM
Taking Niacin, red yeast rice and citris bergamot and fish oil.



 ??? ::) :o
Title: Re: Took almost a week off
Post by: Humble Narcissist on January 09, 2019, 02:56:19 AM
I went off earlier in the year, latest blood work results are the best ever. Taking Niacin, red yeast rice and citris bergamot and fish oil.
(Look around at oversea's places if you want real red yeast rice with low dose (natural) lovastatin in it). (If you still need a small statin).
I take Niacin, plant sterols and COQ10.  Red yeast rice gives me gas and has a similar chemical makeup to statin drugs.  Statin drugs are a huge racket for the pharmaceutical industry with almost no positive results and lots of negative side effects.
Title: Re: Took almost a week off
Post by: falco on January 09, 2019, 03:45:03 AM
Have you ever tried other therapies to avoid statins?
Title: Re: Took almost a week off
Post by: IroNat on January 09, 2019, 04:39:50 AM
Eat more eggs.

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-4gmVPBZPFEQ/UlymZ0-alhI/AAAAAAAAHHc/4plUy3YqOCo/s1600/001.jpg)
Title: Re: Took almost a week off
Post by: Powerlift66 on January 09, 2019, 04:49:53 AM

 ??? ::) :o

Stuff works Vin-Dog. W/out, I am over 300 total, with LDL and Trig's over the max limit.
With this stack, Im right around 210, LDL and Trig's below the max, and HDL much above the Min.
Title: Re: Took almost a week off
Post by: Mr Anabolic on January 09, 2019, 04:57:57 AM
Brainwashed and mislead by big pharma.   You and millions of others.
Title: Re: Took almost a week off
Post by: oldtimer1 on January 09, 2019, 05:19:29 AM
Because the statin I’m on is literally debilitating with muscle aches and the inability to recover. Doc took me off today because he only had me on as a precaution even though my pipes are clean and a came back with a perfect blood panel.

Just an FYI for you old bastards on a statin of you’re wondering why you’re sore all the time. I was beginning to think that was overtrained.

I stopped taking statins for the same reason. For the average guys who do nothing physical or pretends to exercise at Planet fitness will have no problem in general. If you're lifting like a lunatic and doing hard cardio then your muscles will break down with a statin. Even some people who don't work out have experienced muscle break down.
Title: Re: Took almost a week off
Post by: deadz on January 09, 2019, 05:44:51 AM
Because the statin I’m on is literally debilitating with muscle aches and the inability to recover. Doc took me off today because he only had me on as a precaution even though my pipes are clean and a came back with a perfect blood panel.

Just an FYI for you old bastards on a statin of you’re wondering why you’re sore all the time. I was beginning to think that was overtrained.
I use Jarrow Red Yeast Rice, no sides, cholesterol is in the 150’s.
Title: Re: Took almost a week off
Post by: Powerlift66 on January 09, 2019, 06:10:10 AM
I use Jarrow Red Yeast Rice, no sides, cholesterol is in the 150’s.

Did you have high lipid levels before using the RYR? Be careful, "too low" cholesterol isnt good either.
(Most heart attacks are from those w/ low lipids).
Title: Re: Took almost a week off
Post by: US MUSL on January 09, 2019, 06:31:10 AM
I feel your pain. Ten years ago a doctor put me on statins. I was miserable for three months, had to get off. My parents both had the same issues with statins.

Title: Re: Took almost a week off
Post by: deadz on January 09, 2019, 06:32:09 AM
Did you have high lipid levels before using the RYR? Be careful, "too low" cholesterol isnt good either.
(Most heart attacks are from those w/ low lipids).
My total cholesterol was always 210-220 total before I started using RYR. I’ve been using it for years with no issues, two pills a day, 1200mg.
Title: Re: Took almost a week off
Post by: US MUSL on January 09, 2019, 06:40:12 AM
My cholesterol was 250. Statins got it down to 228 in three months. Stopped statins and started niacin. Two years later tested in the 180's.
Title: Re: Took almost a week off
Post by: kreator on January 09, 2019, 07:06:28 AM
Statins are probably the biggest hoax of the anticholesterol movement and make tons of profit for the pharmacy
Title: Re: Took almost a week off
Post by: sync pulse on January 09, 2019, 07:43:18 AM
... he only had me on as a precaution even though my pipes are clean and a came back with a perfect blood panel.
 

If your arteries are clear...Did you have your Transient Ischemic Attack because of Atrial Fibrillation?
Title: Re: Took almost a week off
Post by: sync pulse on January 09, 2019, 07:46:01 AM
My cholesterol was 250. Statins got it down to 228 in three months. Stopped statins and started niacin. Two years later tested in the 180's.

Niaspan or just generic Non-flushable Niacin?
Title: Re: Took almost a week off
Post by: Coach is Back! on January 09, 2019, 07:48:19 AM
If your arteries are clear...Did you have your Transient Ischemic Attack because of Atrial Fibrillation?

No A-fib
Title: Re: Took almost a week off
Post by: ag2 on January 09, 2019, 08:51:47 AM
Because the statin I’m on is literally debilitating with muscle aches and the inability to recover. Doc took me off today because he only had me on as a precaution even though my pipes are clean and a came back with a perfect blood panel.

Just an FYI for you old bastards on a statin of you’re wondering why you’re sore all the time. I was beginning to think that was overtrained.

Coach, what test do they do to make sure pipes are clean? is it a sonogram of some kind? what is the cost etc?  just wondering as I always thought bloodwork was the only way
Title: Re: Took almost a week off
Post by: Tapeworm on January 09, 2019, 10:15:36 AM
If your arteries are clear...Did you have your Transient Ischemic Attack because of Atrial Fibrillation?

My pop just did.  10 minutes of lost speech.  4 attacks over about 30 years, although the AF has only been on his radar for about 15 years.
Title: Re: Took almost a week off
Post by: oldtimer1 on January 09, 2019, 10:19:56 AM
Cholesterol is very confusing. There are people with clogged heart arteries who have under 200 total cholesterol readings. The say having high HDL's but low LDL's is the right ratio. Some say the most important is having a low LDL level. Most recent thing I have read is that the C reactive Protein reading is the most important thing because is shows inflammation that leads to a clog. I have an inherited gene that leads to high cholesterol. When my older brother many years ago had a blood test for cholesterol it came back high. He went completely vegetarian. At the time he was an endurance athlete riding a road bike many miles a week. 50 to 100 miles a day was nothing. He retested his blood and found becoming a vegetarian had no effect. Turns out we both have a liver that manufactures an excess of cholesterol.
Title: Re: Took almost a week off
Post by: robcguns on January 09, 2019, 12:26:18 PM
Fuck it all and die when you die.last thing i want to do is live a lomg time.
Title: Re: Took almost a week off
Post by: Humble Narcissist on January 09, 2019, 12:30:11 PM
Cholesterol is very confusing. There are people with clogged heart arteries who have under 200 total cholesterol readings. The say having high HDL's but low LDL's is the right ratio. Some say the most important is having a low LDL level. Most recent thing I have read is that the C reactive Protein reading is the most important thing because is shows inflammation that leads to a clog. I have an inherited gene that leads to high cholesterol. When my older brother many years ago had a blood test for cholesterol it came back high. He went completely vegetarian. At the time he was an endurance athlete riding a road bike many miles a week. 50 to 100 miles a day was nothing. He retested his blood and found becoming a vegetarian had no effect. Turns out we both have a liver that manufactures an excess of cholesterol.
Yes, it appears even the medical community is confused about it as their recommendations change often.
Title: Re: Took almost a week off
Post by: Agnostic007 on January 09, 2019, 02:02:52 PM
Yes, it appears even the medical community is confused about it as their recommendations change often.

I think it is a matter of letting go of something that was taught as gospel when they attended med school. Some doctors today will prescribe a cholesterol med for you after just telling you the latest research indicates cholesterol and heart disease aren't related. They just can't help themselves.
Title: Re: Took almost a week off
Post by: Humble Narcissist on January 09, 2019, 02:04:50 PM
I think it is a matter of letting go of something that was taught as gospel when they attended med school. Some doctors today will prescribe a cholesterol med for you after just telling you the latest research indicates cholesterol and heart disease aren't related. They just can't help themselves.
Plus they get kickbacks from the pharmaceutical companies.
Title: Re: Took almost a week off
Post by: Twaddle on January 09, 2019, 02:21:53 PM
Because the statin I’m on is literally debilitating with muscle aches and the inability to recover. Doc took me off today because he only had me on as a precaution even though my pipes are clean and a came back with a perfect blood panel.

Just an FYI for you old bastards on a statin of you’re wondering why you’re sore all the time. I was beginning to think that was overtrained.

Since he took you off the statin yesterday, have you noticed any improvement in soreness? 
Title: Re: Took almost a week off
Post by: oldtimer1 on January 09, 2019, 03:44:28 PM
Yes, it appears even the medical community is confused about it as their recommendations change often.

What's most disturbing is that the statin companies finance the cholesterol studies. According to the studies almost 50% of the population should be on statins with no proof they extend life expectancy. It seems in my life time what's acceptable levels keep going down. It goes without saying the lower acceptable cholesterol levels goes the more statins are sold.
Title: Re: Took almost a week off
Post by: Marty Champions on January 09, 2019, 04:05:52 PM
The key is to have you confused there is so much statistics on all the paitients wich would lend an easy solution. If you just bought the things that worked all the rest selling shit products would loose money
Title: Re: Took almost a week off
Post by: Coach is Back! on January 09, 2019, 04:22:09 PM
Since he took you off the statin yesterday, have you noticed any improvement in soreness? 

I actually pulled myself off a day before he told me so this is really the third day. But along with the soreness I was just exhausted and slept more than normal until today. This the first day back in the gym and for the most part everything has seemed to subside.
Title: Re: Took almost a week off
Post by: Coach is Back! on January 09, 2019, 04:24:56 PM
Coach, what test do they do to make sure pipes are clean? is it a sonogram of some kind? what is the cost etc?  just wondering as I always thought bloodwork was the only way

I did CT and MRI. About a $200 for the CT and $400 to the MRI
Title: Re: Took almost a week off
Post by: US MUSL on January 09, 2019, 04:47:05 PM
generic Non-flushable Niacin?


This.
Title: Re: Took almost a week off
Post by: Marty Champions on January 09, 2019, 04:47:16 PM
Coach go vegan but high protien
Title: Re: Took almost a week off
Post by: US MUSL on January 09, 2019, 04:56:53 PM
I have am issue of Mens Health that describes cholesterol testing in some other countries. It goes into the different types of LDL. There are lighter/fluffier LDL molecules and heavier/stickier molecules. The stickier molecules are what will create a problem, often pared with high triglycerides. You could have elevated LDL with the lighter molecules and have no ill health effects. Unfortunately US doctors rarely test for differences in LDL.
Title: Re: Took almost a week off
Post by: Coach is Back! on January 09, 2019, 10:15:51 PM
Coach go vegan but high protien

It’s a myth
Title: Re: Took almost a week off
Post by: sync pulse on January 09, 2019, 11:14:01 PM
...There are people with clogged heart arteries who have under 200 total cholesterol readings.... I have read is that the C reactive Protein reading is the most important thing because is shows inflammation that leads to a clog...

There is the idea that scarring of the artery wall can make a surface that cholesterol can adhere to and start to build up...i have had the idea voiced to me by a cardiologist that people chronically exposed to certain Volatile Organic Chemicals can develop such scarring and so are at a greater risk of plaque buildup.
Title: Re: Took almost a week off
Post by: pellius on January 09, 2019, 11:45:37 PM
Cholesterol is very confusing. There are people with clogged heart arteries who have under 200 total cholesterol readings. The say having high HDL's but low LDL's is the right ratio. Some say the most important is having a low LDL level. Most recent thing I have read is that the C reactive Protein reading is the most important thing because is shows inflammation that leads to a clog. I have an inherited gene that leads to high cholesterol. When my older brother many years ago had a blood test for cholesterol it came back high. He went completely vegetarian. At the time he was an endurance athlete riding a road bike many miles a week. 50 to 100 miles a day was nothing. He retested his blood and found becoming a vegetarian had no effect. Turns out we both have a liver that manufactures an excess of cholesterol.

A doctor was explaining over the radio that the common practice for testing cholesterol was not the most accurate way. It's very useful but not optimal but used because it's way cheaper to perform this test than the more accurate but far more expensive method. I don't remember the names of each testing procedure or fully understood the mechanics behind it but he did give an example, or analogy, that put things in perspective.

Imagine cholesterol as a bunch of cars filled with passengers on a freeway. One measures just the number of cars whereas the others measure both the cars and the number of passengers in each vehicle. There is a big difference in freeway congestion with one car carrying five passengers and five cars carrying one passenger. The same amount of people being transported but with far less congestion with one car than five cars.
Title: Re: Took almost a week off
Post by: kreator on January 10, 2019, 12:05:09 AM
coach is back you never picked up a book regarding cholesterol, diabetes etc facts? Since you work in the field where nutrition is of significant importance i would think similar literature would be mandatory
Title: Re: Took almost a week off
Post by: cephissus on January 10, 2019, 12:21:55 AM
It’s a myth

My cholesterol went from 180 to 130 or something like that after 2 years vegan.
Title: Re: Took almost a week off
Post by: G_Thang on January 10, 2019, 01:15:34 AM
Because the statin I’m on is literally debilitating with muscle aches and the inability to recover. Doc took me off today because he only had me on as a precaution even though my pipes are clean and a came back with a perfect blood panel.

Just an FYI for you old bastards on a statin of you’re wondering why you’re sore all the time. I was beginning to think that was overtrained.

Not much on getbig is worth reading completely thru, but I thought i saw ICD aka defibrillator surgery.   That's my bad. ;D  Carry on, miniature Mexican.
Title: Re: Took almost a week off
Post by: BBSSchlemiel on January 10, 2019, 03:27:42 AM
Damn, don’t ever do that again. Your muscles probably shrunk.
Title: Re: Took almost a week off
Post by: Humble Narcissist on January 10, 2019, 03:38:30 AM
My cholesterol went from 180 to 130 or something like that after 2 years vegan.
Cancer rates go up with very low cholesterol.  I'd rather croak from a heart attack.
Title: Re: Took almost a week off
Post by: oldtimer1 on January 10, 2019, 06:12:44 AM
I think the best thing to do is to put the risk factors in your favor. Nothing is a cure all. Not cardio, vegetarian diets or anything else. No one cares about health till bad health is at your door. Then nothing else like wealth matters. Heart disease is the number one killer of man.  Lifting, cardio, diet and keeping a good weight are some outstanding things you can do to lower the risks. In the end it's the roulette wheel. Just bet wisely.   
Title: Re: Took almost a week off
Post by: Marty Champions on January 10, 2019, 06:19:57 AM
It’s a myth
whats a myth exactly about going vegan to reduce your bp?
Title: Re: Took almost a week off
Post by: Humble Narcissist on January 10, 2019, 06:53:00 AM
I think the best thing to do is to put the risk factors in your favor. Nothing is a cure all. Not cardio, vegetarian diets or anything else. No one cares about health till bad health is at your door. Then nothing else like wealth matters. Heart disease is the number one killer of man.  Lifting, cardio, diet and keeping a good weight are some outstanding things you can do to lower the risks. In the end it's the roulette wheel. Just bet wisely.   
Yes and stress is a huge killer as well.
Title: Re: Took almost a week off
Post by: Coach is Back! on January 10, 2019, 08:18:13 AM
Damn, don’t ever do that again. Your muscles probably shrunk.

Definitely didn’t help I’m sure. Trained legs fairly hard yesterday, I slept well and recovery seems to be normal for a day after.
Title: Re: Took almost a week off
Post by: Coach is Back! on January 10, 2019, 08:50:52 AM
coach is back you never picked up a book regarding cholesterol, diabetes etc facts? Since you work in the field where nutrition is of significant importance i would think similar literature would be mandatory

I haven't? K
Title: Re: Took almost a week off
Post by: lilhawk1 on January 11, 2019, 05:38:03 AM
I did CT and MRI. About a $200 for the CT and $400 to the MRI

The gold standard for determining whether or not your arteries are clean is an angiogram.  You don't know if they truly are unless you have one done.  Many people come to the cath lab that have had a CT scan done that showed nothing, and then end up getting stents during the angiogram.  I see it everyday where I work.  Not sure why your doctor never wanted to do an angiogram, but if you truly wanted to know, then one should have been done.
Title: Re: Took almost a week off
Post by: oldtimer1 on January 11, 2019, 06:14:54 AM
The gold standard for determining whether or not your arteries are clean is an angiogram.  You don't know if they truly are unless you have one done.  Many people come to the cath lab that have had a CT scan done that showed nothing, and then end up getting stents during the angiogram.  I see it everyday where I work.  Not sure why your doctor never wanted to do an angiogram, but if you truly wanted to know, then one should have been done.

You're in the medical field? I had a 64 slice cat scan of my arteries years ago. You're saying it's not as good as a angiogram?  Thinking I should get an angiogram to make sure.  I know a friend of mine who was an amazing runner had a high speed scan and they caught a clogged artery. They sent him immediately to a hospital to get a stent. The doc told him they were lucky to catch it because he felt he surely would have had a heart attack during a run.

One question. Do you ever suspect they put a stent in when it's not needed for the pay day?
Title: Re: Took almost a week off
Post by: Marty Champions on January 11, 2019, 06:18:18 AM
You're in the medical field? I had a 64 slice cat scan of my arteries years ago. You're saying it's not as good as a angiogram?  Thinking I should get an angiogram to make sure.  I know a friend of mine who was an amazing runner had a high speed scan and they caught a clogged artery. They sent him immediately to a hospital to get a stent. The doc told him they were lucky to catch it because he felt he surely would have had a heart attack during a run.

One question. Do you ever suspect they put a stent in when it's not needed for the pay day?
why not drink more alcohol to clear da pipes
Title: Re: Took almost a week off
Post by: a_pupil on January 11, 2019, 06:26:40 AM
it's better to drop the extra weight.
Title: Re: Took almost a week off
Post by: Coach is Back! on January 11, 2019, 08:48:07 AM
The gold standard for determining whether or not your arteries are clean is an angiogram.  You don't know if they truly are unless you have one done.  Many people come to the cath lab that have had a CT scan done that showed nothing, and then end up getting stents during the angiogram.  I see it everyday where I work.  Not sure why your doctor never wanted to do an angiogram, but if you truly wanted to know, then one should have been done.

The CT and MRI were done as a precautionary measure because of my age. an angiogram is usually recommend if there are symptoms of heart disease (Angina, defects, chest pain that can’t be explained, etc)
Title: Re: Took almost a week off
Post by: Primemuscle on January 11, 2019, 02:10:53 PM
Because the statin I’m on is literally debilitating with muscle aches and the inability to recover. Doc took me off today because he only had me on as a precaution even though my pipes are clean and a came back with a perfect blood panel.

Just an FYI for you old bastards on a statin of you’re wondering why you’re sore all the time. I was beginning to think that was overtrained.

A statin used as a precaution is just wrong. Statin's have a fair amount of side effects. People should exercise caution and do some investigation before filling a prescription for a statin. Also, not all statins have the same sides.
Title: Re: Took almost a week off
Post by: Primemuscle on January 11, 2019, 02:16:04 PM
There is no other logical conclusion. Good thing I pointed it out to him and he agreed.

Muscle soreness is one of the most common sides when taking statins. One should immediately inform their doctor if they experience this. It can lead to very serious problems.

In this regard, it is interesting to note that in the PRIMO study, the most hydrophilic statins (pravastatin and fluvastatin) were least likely to cause myalgia, whereas simvastatin, the most lipophilic one, was most likely to be associated with muscular adverse effects
Title: Re: Took almost a week off
Post by: Primemuscle on January 11, 2019, 02:21:23 PM
why not drink more alcohol to clear da pipes

Cleans your pipes and kills your liver.
Title: Re: Took almost a week off
Post by: ProudVirgin69 on January 11, 2019, 06:42:35 PM
You're in the medical field? I had a 64 slice cat scan of my arteries years ago. You're saying it's not as good as a angiogram?  Thinking I should get an angiogram to make sure.  I know a friend of mine who was an amazing runner had a high speed scan and they caught a clogged artery. They sent him immediately to a hospital to get a stent. The doc told him they were lucky to catch it because he felt he surely would have had a heart attack during a run.

One question. Do you ever suspect they put a stent in when it's not needed for the pay day?

There's a growing majority of evidence demonstrating that stenting stable (ie: non-symptomatic) CAD has no effect on reducing the morbidity/mortality of those afflicted with heart disease  Of course, percutaneous coronary intervention is a major money maker for cardiologists so they're fighting this, but that's to be expected.

 If you're not experiencing chest pain with exertion, don't worry about it.  Keep a low bodyweight, control your BP & blood sugar, perform aerobic exercise, and eat a diet rich in plants.
Title: Re: Took almost a week off
Post by: oldtimer1 on January 11, 2019, 06:55:53 PM
There's a growing majority of evidence demonstrating that stenting stable (ie: non-symptomatic) CAD has no effect on reducing the morbidity/mortality of those afflicted with heart disease  Of course, percutaneous coronary intervention is a major money maker for cardiologists so they're fighting this, but that's to be expected.

 If you're not experiencing chest pain with exertion, don't worry about it.  Keep a low bodyweight, control your BP & blood sugar, perform aerobic exercise, and eat a diet rich in plants.

Heard it said time and time again that often the first sign of heart disease is a fatal heart attack. I have high cholesterol, blood pressure is 110/70; body weight is good, and blood sugar is good. Never have any sign of chest pain and just yesterday I ran over 5 miles. Just concerned about heart health at my age. I know three guys that dropped dead working out. Age 46, 48 and 55.
Title: Re: Took almost a week off
Post by: Coach is Back! on January 11, 2019, 06:59:45 PM
Muscle soreness is one of the most common sides when taking statins. One should immediately inform their doctor if they experience this. It can lead to very serious problems.

In this regard, it is interesting to note that in the PRIMO study, the most hydrophilic statins (pravastatin and fluvastatin) were least likely to cause myalgia, whereas simvastatin, the most lipophilic one, was most likely to be associated with muscular adverse effects

He had me on 40gm of Lovastatin
Title: Re: Took almost a week off
Post by: Agnostic007 on January 11, 2019, 07:14:42 PM
Heard it said time and time again that often the first sign of heart disease is a fatal heart attack. I have high cholesterol, blood pressure is 110/70; body weight is good, and blood sugar is good. Never have any sign of chest pain and just yesterday I ran over 5 miles. Just concerned about heart health at my age. I know three guys that dropped dead working out. Age 46, 48 and 55.

Latest research indicates high cholesterol is NOT linked to heart disease. Your blood pressure is remarkably low. I've taken you off the Dead Pool
Title: Re: Took almost a week off
Post by: Coach is Back! on January 11, 2019, 07:17:39 PM
Latest research indicates high cholesterol is NOT linked to heart disease. Your blood pressure is remarkably low

Please post that research
Title: Re: Took almost a week off
Post by: Agnostic007 on January 11, 2019, 07:21:41 PM
The study was carried out by researchers from the University of South Florida, the Japan Institute of Pharmacovigilance and various other international institutions in Japan, Sweden, UK, Ireland, US and Italy.

Funding was provided by the Western Vascular Institute. The study was published in the peer-reviewed BMJ Open and, as the journal name suggests, the article is open-access, so can be read for free.

https://www.nhs.uk/news/heart-and-lungs/study-says-theres-no-link-between-cholesterol-and-heart-disease/
Title: Re: Took almost a week off
Post by: Humble Narcissist on January 12, 2019, 03:17:49 AM
The study was carried out by researchers from the University of South Florida, the Japan Institute of Pharmacovigilance and various other international institutions in Japan, Sweden, UK, Ireland, US and Italy.

Funding was provided by the Western Vascular Institute. The study was published in the peer-reviewed BMJ Open and, as the journal name suggests, the article is open-access, so can be read for free.

https://www.nhs.uk/news/heart-and-lungs/study-says-theres-no-link-between-cholesterol-and-heart-disease/
Thank you.
Title: Re: Took almost a week off
Post by: oldtimer1 on January 12, 2019, 12:27:28 PM
Latest research indicates high cholesterol is NOT linked to heart disease. Your blood pressure is remarkably low. I've taken you off the Dead Pool

Maybe next year you can put me back on. I'm never included in anything.
Title: Re: Took almost a week off
Post by: Primemuscle on January 13, 2019, 02:34:01 PM
He had me on 40gm of Lovastatin

I've been on a statin for more than 30 years. Currently taking Simvastatin 40 mg. Never had any problems with it. 
Title: Re: Took almost a week off
Post by: SF1900 on January 13, 2019, 02:36:06 PM
The study was carried out by researchers from the University of South Florida, the Japan Institute of Pharmacovigilance and various other international institutions in Japan, Sweden, UK, Ireland, US and Italy.

Funding was provided by the Western Vascular Institute. The study was published in the peer-reviewed BMJ Open and, as the journal name suggests, the article is open-access, so can be read for free.

https://www.nhs.uk/news/heart-and-lungs/study-says-theres-no-link-between-cholesterol-and-heart-disease/

The research is pretty limited, given the current limitation:

"Most importantly, as the researchers acknowledge, these findings do not take account of statin use, which lowers cholesterol. People found to have high LDL cholesterol at the study's start may have subsequently been started on statins, which could have prevented deaths."

The researchers, unfortunately, did not control for this extraneous variable.
Title: Re: Took almost a week off
Post by: Primemuscle on January 13, 2019, 02:38:09 PM
Latest research indicates high cholesterol is NOT linked to heart disease. Your blood pressure is remarkably low. I've taken you off the Dead Pool

Seems like having high cholesterol could cause heart problems. Low-density lipoprotein (LDL) carries cholesterol from your liver to the cells around your body where it's needed. But if the level of LDL in your blood is too high, it can form fatty deposits in your arteries. This increases your risk of heart disease and stroke.

Checked out the link you provided. The article about the study covers a lot of disclaimers. The one that stood out to me was this: "Four of the study authors have previously written book(s) criticising "the cholesterol hypothesis". It should also be noted that nine of the authors are members of THINCS – The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics. This is described as a group of scientists who "oppose…that animal fat and high cholesterol play a role [in heart disease]"".
Title: Re: Took almost a week off
Post by: Primemuscle on January 13, 2019, 02:49:47 PM
About 610,000 people die of heart disease in the United States every year–that's 1 in every 4 deaths. Heart disease is the leading cause of death for both men and women. More than half of the deaths due to heart disease in 2009 were in men.

Given the above, it's perfectly understandable that most doctors are concerned about their patients' heart health. This is particularly so once a person hits middle age.
Title: Re: Took almost a week off
Post by: SF1900 on January 13, 2019, 03:28:16 PM
About 610,000 people die of heart disease in the United States every year–that's 1 in every 4 deaths. Heart disease is the leading cause of death for both men and women. More than half of the deaths due to heart disease in 2009 were in men.

Given the above, it's perfectly understandable that most doctors are concerned about their patients' heart health. This is particularly so once a person hits middle age.

The funny thing, is that stress is really the number one cause of death, or better yet, the number one proxy killer.

But, we only look at the observable cause of death.

"According to the American Psychological Association, chronic stress is linked to the six leading causes of death: heart disease, cancer, lung ailments, accidents, cirrhosis of the liver and suicide. And more than 75 percent of all physician office visits are for stress-related ailments and complaints."

"A large number of scientific studies have proven that stress is the number one modern time killer. It is the major cause for the staggering increase in cancer, strokes and heart attacks in the past few decades."
Title: Re: Took almost a week off
Post by: Coach is Back! on January 13, 2019, 04:53:13 PM
The funny thing, is that stress is really the number one cause of death, or better yet, the number one proxy killer.

But, we only look at the observable cause of death.

"According to the American Psychological Association, chronic stress is linked to the six leading causes of death: heart disease, cancer, lung ailments, accidents, cirrhosis of the liver and suicide. And more than 75 percent of all physician office visits are for stress-related ailments and complaints."

"A large number of scientific studies have proven that stress is the number one modern time killer. It is the major cause for the staggering increase in cancer, strokes and heart attacks in the past few decades."

Abortion is the #1 cause of death
Title: Re: Took almost a week off
Post by: SF1900 on January 13, 2019, 05:02:26 PM
Abortion is the #1 cause of death

I’m not talking about an individual who is not born.

I’m talking about people who are living and walking around.

My statement still stands.
Title: Re: Took almost a week off
Post by: Coach is Back! on January 13, 2019, 05:09:13 PM
I’m not talking about an individual who is not born.

I’m talking about people who are living and walking around.

My statement still stands.

Interesting
Title: Re: Took almost a week off
Post by: SF1900 on January 13, 2019, 05:25:11 PM
Interesting

Yes, so interesting that extreme stress causes heart disease and stroke! Didn’t you say that your stroke was from stress?

:::mind blown:::
Title: Re: Took almost a week off
Post by: Coach is Back! on January 13, 2019, 05:26:44 PM
Yes, so interesting that extreme stress causes heart disease and stroke! Didn’t you say that your stroke was from stress?

:::mind blown:::

Just interesting that you decipher born from unborn
Title: Re: Took almost a week off
Post by: SF1900 on January 13, 2019, 05:30:51 PM
Just interesting that you decipher born from unborn

Well, yeah, because we can't help those who are not born.

So, by your logic, we should ignore the living because of abortion? Great logic.

I can only help those who are in front of me, walking around, and living.

Whether or not I agreed with abortion would in no way invalidate my statement that stress is the number one killer among people who are currently alive. Even if I thought abortion was wrong, stress is still the number one killer among those living. Sorry, if you don't want to accept those statistics, but even you had a stroke from stress.
Title: Re: Took almost a week off
Post by: Coach is Back! on January 13, 2019, 05:37:11 PM
Well, yeah, because we can't help those who are not born.

So, by your logic, we should ignore the living because of abortion? Great logic.

I can only help those who are in front of me, walking around, and living.

Whether or not I agreed with abortion would in no way invalidate my statement that stress is the number one killer among people who are currently alive. Even if I thought abortion was wrong, stress is still the number one killer among those living. Sorry, if you don't want to accept those statistics, but even you had a stroke from stress.

I should hope so working at Auto Zone  ;D
Title: Re: Took almost a week off
Post by: SF1900 on January 13, 2019, 05:38:40 PM
I should hope so working at Auto Zone  ;D

Providing individuals with top notch car service is what brings me joy, day in and day out.
Title: Re: Took almost a week off
Post by: efanhowz on January 14, 2019, 12:14:19 AM
I’m a nurse in a hospital and around half of my patients are on atorvastatin, heart failure, afib, and metoprolol and lisinopril. These are sick ppl who live unhealthy lives. US residents will take a pill instead of just being a little less unhealthy. I don’t want to go out like that.
Title: Re: Took almost a week off
Post by: oldtimer1 on January 14, 2019, 03:04:17 PM
How do you judge if you are experiencing too much stress?  It's subjective. If you're alive you are under stress.  Yes, people have dropped dead from being under stress as in having a heart attack after your loved one dies. Makes think of the Mentzer brothers. Ray finds Mike dead in the apartment and dies the next day.  In my mind it has to be related to the stress he was under with his poor health. 
Title: Re: Took almost a week off
Post by: Primemuscle on January 14, 2019, 04:37:00 PM
Abortion is the #1 cause of death

Either this is a joke or you need to reword it.

Preterm birth is the most common cause of perinatal mortality, causing almost 30 percent of neonatal deaths. Infant respiratory distress syndrome, in turn, is the leading cause of death in preterm infants, affecting about 1% of newborn infants. Birth defects cause about 21 percent of neonatal death.