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Re: Took almost a week off
« Reply #50 on: January 10, 2019, 08:18:13 AM »
Damn, don’t ever do that again. Your muscles probably shrunk.

Definitely didn’t help I’m sure. Trained legs fairly hard yesterday, I slept well and recovery seems to be normal for a day after.

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Re: Took almost a week off
« Reply #51 on: January 10, 2019, 08:50:52 AM »
coach is back you never picked up a book regarding cholesterol, diabetes etc facts? Since you work in the field where nutrition is of significant importance i would think similar literature would be mandatory

I haven't? K

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Re: Took almost a week off
« Reply #52 on: January 11, 2019, 05:38:03 AM »
I did CT and MRI. About a $200 for the CT and $400 to the MRI

The gold standard for determining whether or not your arteries are clean is an angiogram.  You don't know if they truly are unless you have one done.  Many people come to the cath lab that have had a CT scan done that showed nothing, and then end up getting stents during the angiogram.  I see it everyday where I work.  Not sure why your doctor never wanted to do an angiogram, but if you truly wanted to know, then one should have been done.

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Re: Took almost a week off
« Reply #53 on: January 11, 2019, 06:14:54 AM »
The gold standard for determining whether or not your arteries are clean is an angiogram.  You don't know if they truly are unless you have one done.  Many people come to the cath lab that have had a CT scan done that showed nothing, and then end up getting stents during the angiogram.  I see it everyday where I work.  Not sure why your doctor never wanted to do an angiogram, but if you truly wanted to know, then one should have been done.

You're in the medical field? I had a 64 slice cat scan of my arteries years ago. You're saying it's not as good as a angiogram?  Thinking I should get an angiogram to make sure.  I know a friend of mine who was an amazing runner had a high speed scan and they caught a clogged artery. They sent him immediately to a hospital to get a stent. The doc told him they were lucky to catch it because he felt he surely would have had a heart attack during a run.

One question. Do you ever suspect they put a stent in when it's not needed for the pay day?

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Re: Took almost a week off
« Reply #54 on: January 11, 2019, 06:18:18 AM »
You're in the medical field? I had a 64 slice cat scan of my arteries years ago. You're saying it's not as good as a angiogram?  Thinking I should get an angiogram to make sure.  I know a friend of mine who was an amazing runner had a high speed scan and they caught a clogged artery. They sent him immediately to a hospital to get a stent. The doc told him they were lucky to catch it because he felt he surely would have had a heart attack during a run.

One question. Do you ever suspect they put a stent in when it's not needed for the pay day?
why not drink more alcohol to clear da pipes
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Re: Took almost a week off
« Reply #55 on: January 11, 2019, 06:26:40 AM »
it's better to drop the extra weight.

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Re: Took almost a week off
« Reply #56 on: January 11, 2019, 08:48:07 AM »
The gold standard for determining whether or not your arteries are clean is an angiogram.  You don't know if they truly are unless you have one done.  Many people come to the cath lab that have had a CT scan done that showed nothing, and then end up getting stents during the angiogram.  I see it everyday where I work.  Not sure why your doctor never wanted to do an angiogram, but if you truly wanted to know, then one should have been done.

The CT and MRI were done as a precautionary measure because of my age. an angiogram is usually recommend if there are symptoms of heart disease (Angina, defects, chest pain that can’t be explained, etc)

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Re: Took almost a week off
« Reply #57 on: January 11, 2019, 02:10:53 PM »
Because the statin I’m on is literally debilitating with muscle aches and the inability to recover. Doc took me off today because he only had me on as a precaution even though my pipes are clean and a came back with a perfect blood panel.

Just an FYI for you old bastards on a statin of you’re wondering why you’re sore all the time. I was beginning to think that was overtrained.

A statin used as a precaution is just wrong. Statin's have a fair amount of side effects. People should exercise caution and do some investigation before filling a prescription for a statin. Also, not all statins have the same sides.

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« Reply #58 on: January 11, 2019, 02:16:04 PM »
There is no other logical conclusion. Good thing I pointed it out to him and he agreed.

Muscle soreness is one of the most common sides when taking statins. One should immediately inform their doctor if they experience this. It can lead to very serious problems.

In this regard, it is interesting to note that in the PRIMO study, the most hydrophilic statins (pravastatin and fluvastatin) were least likely to cause myalgia, whereas simvastatin, the most lipophilic one, was most likely to be associated with muscular adverse effects

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Re: Took almost a week off
« Reply #59 on: January 11, 2019, 02:21:23 PM »
why not drink more alcohol to clear da pipes

Cleans your pipes and kills your liver.

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Re: Took almost a week off
« Reply #60 on: January 11, 2019, 06:42:35 PM »
You're in the medical field? I had a 64 slice cat scan of my arteries years ago. You're saying it's not as good as a angiogram?  Thinking I should get an angiogram to make sure.  I know a friend of mine who was an amazing runner had a high speed scan and they caught a clogged artery. They sent him immediately to a hospital to get a stent. The doc told him they were lucky to catch it because he felt he surely would have had a heart attack during a run.

One question. Do you ever suspect they put a stent in when it's not needed for the pay day?

There's a growing majority of evidence demonstrating that stenting stable (ie: non-symptomatic) CAD has no effect on reducing the morbidity/mortality of those afflicted with heart disease  Of course, percutaneous coronary intervention is a major money maker for cardiologists so they're fighting this, but that's to be expected.

 If you're not experiencing chest pain with exertion, don't worry about it.  Keep a low bodyweight, control your BP & blood sugar, perform aerobic exercise, and eat a diet rich in plants.

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Re: Took almost a week off
« Reply #61 on: January 11, 2019, 06:55:53 PM »
There's a growing majority of evidence demonstrating that stenting stable (ie: non-symptomatic) CAD has no effect on reducing the morbidity/mortality of those afflicted with heart disease  Of course, percutaneous coronary intervention is a major money maker for cardiologists so they're fighting this, but that's to be expected.

 If you're not experiencing chest pain with exertion, don't worry about it.  Keep a low bodyweight, control your BP & blood sugar, perform aerobic exercise, and eat a diet rich in plants.

Heard it said time and time again that often the first sign of heart disease is a fatal heart attack. I have high cholesterol, blood pressure is 110/70; body weight is good, and blood sugar is good. Never have any sign of chest pain and just yesterday I ran over 5 miles. Just concerned about heart health at my age. I know three guys that dropped dead working out. Age 46, 48 and 55.

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Re: Took almost a week off
« Reply #62 on: January 11, 2019, 06:59:45 PM »
Muscle soreness is one of the most common sides when taking statins. One should immediately inform their doctor if they experience this. It can lead to very serious problems.

In this regard, it is interesting to note that in the PRIMO study, the most hydrophilic statins (pravastatin and fluvastatin) were least likely to cause myalgia, whereas simvastatin, the most lipophilic one, was most likely to be associated with muscular adverse effects

He had me on 40gm of Lovastatin

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Re: Took almost a week off
« Reply #63 on: January 11, 2019, 07:14:42 PM »
Heard it said time and time again that often the first sign of heart disease is a fatal heart attack. I have high cholesterol, blood pressure is 110/70; body weight is good, and blood sugar is good. Never have any sign of chest pain and just yesterday I ran over 5 miles. Just concerned about heart health at my age. I know three guys that dropped dead working out. Age 46, 48 and 55.

Latest research indicates high cholesterol is NOT linked to heart disease. Your blood pressure is remarkably low. I've taken you off the Dead Pool

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Re: Took almost a week off
« Reply #64 on: January 11, 2019, 07:17:39 PM »
Latest research indicates high cholesterol is NOT linked to heart disease. Your blood pressure is remarkably low

Please post that research

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« Reply #65 on: January 11, 2019, 07:21:41 PM »
The study was carried out by researchers from the University of South Florida, the Japan Institute of Pharmacovigilance and various other international institutions in Japan, Sweden, UK, Ireland, US and Italy.

Funding was provided by the Western Vascular Institute. The study was published in the peer-reviewed BMJ Open and, as the journal name suggests, the article is open-access, so can be read for free.

https://www.nhs.uk/news/heart-and-lungs/study-says-theres-no-link-between-cholesterol-and-heart-disease/

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Re: Took almost a week off
« Reply #66 on: January 12, 2019, 03:17:49 AM »
The study was carried out by researchers from the University of South Florida, the Japan Institute of Pharmacovigilance and various other international institutions in Japan, Sweden, UK, Ireland, US and Italy.

Funding was provided by the Western Vascular Institute. The study was published in the peer-reviewed BMJ Open and, as the journal name suggests, the article is open-access, so can be read for free.

https://www.nhs.uk/news/heart-and-lungs/study-says-theres-no-link-between-cholesterol-and-heart-disease/
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Re: Took almost a week off
« Reply #67 on: January 12, 2019, 12:27:28 PM »
Latest research indicates high cholesterol is NOT linked to heart disease. Your blood pressure is remarkably low. I've taken you off the Dead Pool

Maybe next year you can put me back on. I'm never included in anything.

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Re: Took almost a week off
« Reply #68 on: January 13, 2019, 02:34:01 PM »
He had me on 40gm of Lovastatin

I've been on a statin for more than 30 years. Currently taking Simvastatin 40 mg. Never had any problems with it. 

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Re: Took almost a week off
« Reply #69 on: January 13, 2019, 02:36:06 PM »
The study was carried out by researchers from the University of South Florida, the Japan Institute of Pharmacovigilance and various other international institutions in Japan, Sweden, UK, Ireland, US and Italy.

Funding was provided by the Western Vascular Institute. The study was published in the peer-reviewed BMJ Open and, as the journal name suggests, the article is open-access, so can be read for free.

https://www.nhs.uk/news/heart-and-lungs/study-says-theres-no-link-between-cholesterol-and-heart-disease/

The research is pretty limited, given the current limitation:

"Most importantly, as the researchers acknowledge, these findings do not take account of statin use, which lowers cholesterol. People found to have high LDL cholesterol at the study's start may have subsequently been started on statins, which could have prevented deaths."

The researchers, unfortunately, did not control for this extraneous variable.
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Re: Took almost a week off
« Reply #70 on: January 13, 2019, 02:38:09 PM »
Latest research indicates high cholesterol is NOT linked to heart disease. Your blood pressure is remarkably low. I've taken you off the Dead Pool

Seems like having high cholesterol could cause heart problems. Low-density lipoprotein (LDL) carries cholesterol from your liver to the cells around your body where it's needed. But if the level of LDL in your blood is too high, it can form fatty deposits in your arteries. This increases your risk of heart disease and stroke.

Checked out the link you provided. The article about the study covers a lot of disclaimers. The one that stood out to me was this: "Four of the study authors have previously written book(s) criticising "the cholesterol hypothesis". It should also be noted that nine of the authors are members of THINCS – The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics. This is described as a group of scientists who "oppose…that animal fat and high cholesterol play a role [in heart disease]"".

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Re: Took almost a week off
« Reply #71 on: January 13, 2019, 02:49:47 PM »
About 610,000 people die of heart disease in the United States every year–that's 1 in every 4 deaths. Heart disease is the leading cause of death for both men and women. More than half of the deaths due to heart disease in 2009 were in men.

Given the above, it's perfectly understandable that most doctors are concerned about their patients' heart health. This is particularly so once a person hits middle age.

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« Reply #72 on: January 13, 2019, 03:28:16 PM »
About 610,000 people die of heart disease in the United States every year–that's 1 in every 4 deaths. Heart disease is the leading cause of death for both men and women. More than half of the deaths due to heart disease in 2009 were in men.

Given the above, it's perfectly understandable that most doctors are concerned about their patients' heart health. This is particularly so once a person hits middle age.

The funny thing, is that stress is really the number one cause of death, or better yet, the number one proxy killer.

But, we only look at the observable cause of death.

"According to the American Psychological Association, chronic stress is linked to the six leading causes of death: heart disease, cancer, lung ailments, accidents, cirrhosis of the liver and suicide. And more than 75 percent of all physician office visits are for stress-related ailments and complaints."

"A large number of scientific studies have proven that stress is the number one modern time killer. It is the major cause for the staggering increase in cancer, strokes and heart attacks in the past few decades."
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Re: Took almost a week off
« Reply #73 on: January 13, 2019, 04:53:13 PM »
The funny thing, is that stress is really the number one cause of death, or better yet, the number one proxy killer.

But, we only look at the observable cause of death.

"According to the American Psychological Association, chronic stress is linked to the six leading causes of death: heart disease, cancer, lung ailments, accidents, cirrhosis of the liver and suicide. And more than 75 percent of all physician office visits are for stress-related ailments and complaints."

"A large number of scientific studies have proven that stress is the number one modern time killer. It is the major cause for the staggering increase in cancer, strokes and heart attacks in the past few decades."

Abortion is the #1 cause of death

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Re: Took almost a week off
« Reply #74 on: January 13, 2019, 05:02:26 PM »
Abortion is the #1 cause of death

I’m not talking about an individual who is not born.

I’m talking about people who are living and walking around.

My statement still stands.
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