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I totally agree with this article.
Everyone should face the consequences of their decisions, you don't get a pass for being an uneducated moron.
https://www.fatherly.com/love-money/measles-anti-vaxxers-portland-law-enforcement/
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Vaccinations kill. Measles causes itchy bumps for a few weeks.
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Anti science liberals...
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I totally agree with this article.
Everyone should face the consequences of their decisions, you don't get a pass for being an uneducated moron.
https://www.fatherly.com/love-money/measles-anti-vaxxers-portland-law-enforcement/
If everyone is vaccinated and can't get/catch the measles, then why would I need it?
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I totally agree with this article.
Everyone should face the consequences of their decisions, you don't get a pass for being an uneducated moron.
https://www.fatherly.com/love-money/measles-anti-vaxxers-portland-law-enforcement/
Oh the irony. Portland declared itself a sanctuary city. And guess what those “undocumented immigrants” bring with them? Don’t be blaming the anti-vaxxers...
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2016/06/19/diseases-thought-eradicated-world-refugee-day/
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I totally agree with this article.
Everyone should face the consequences of their decisions, you don't get a pass for being an uneducated moron.
https://www.fatherly.com/love-money/measles-anti-vaxxers-portland-law-enforcement/
x2.
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If everyone is vaccinated and can't get/catch the measles, then why would I need it?
You know, if you google this, you get like 10 different sites with articles explaining why this logic is bullshit.
https://www.ovg.ox.ac.uk/news/herd-immunity-how-does-it-work
https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/12-myths-and-facts-about-vaccines/5/
http://parentsavvy.com/ask-an-expert/growth-and-development/infant-and-toddler/186/If-everyone-else-is-vaccinated-why-worry
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If vaccinations were effective and actually worked, parents of vaccinated kids wouldn’t worry about unvaccinated kids.
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Problem does not lie in vaccinated people but in people who are unable to get it because of immune system which does not allow it.
And more unvaccinated people increase the risk of spreading the diseases that can be easily prevented.
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Vaccinations kill. Measles causes itchy bumps for a few weeks.
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If vaccinations were effective and actually worked, parents of vaccinated kids wouldn’t worry about unvaccinated kids.
Parents are brainwashed with propaganda 24/7 (i.e. the OP and link).
Look at all the drug commercials on Tell-lie-Vision... every commercial break has at least 2 of them.
Go into any pharmacy and you'll see signs for "FREE FLU VACINATION"... or get vaccinated and get a coupon or % off certain items.
Vaccinations are toxic. They cause autism, neurological problems and cancer.
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I totally agree with this article.
Everyone should face the consequences of their decisions, you don't get a pass for being an uneducated moron.
https://www.fatherly.com/love-money/measles-anti-vaxxers-portland-law-enforcement/
Vancouver, WA is a bedroom community across the Columbia river from Portland, OR. When I last checked, more then 32 cases were in Washington, with only one case in Oregon. And yet, the media reports suggest it is a Portland problem. This outbreak is likely to spread to Oregon unless parents immediately begin vaccinating there kids and themselves if they've never been vaccinated.
I read that schools are demanding proof of the vaccination for both staff and students. I had all my shots as a kid, but there is no way to prove this 70 years later, as best as I know. I get a pneumonia shot each year. I avoid the flu shot because I've never had the flu....why mess with a good thing?
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Vaccinations kill. Measles causes itchy bumps for a few weeks.
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Lmao :D
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Measles causes itchy bumps for a few weeks.
Measles can cause blindness, deafness, and neurological damage...Actor Rex Harrison was nearly blind in one eye because of measles.
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If vaccinations were effective and actually worked, parents of vaccinated kids wouldn’t worry about unvaccinated kids.
Infants cant be vaccinated until one year old, they're entirely susceptible until then.
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Infants cant be vaccinated until one year old, they're entirely susceptible until then.
You must not be American. Infants are vaccinated beginning at birth and receive more than a dozen vaccinations before their first birthday. If they can’t be vaccinated before then, why are their infant bodies being bombarded with vaccines and other chemicals at such a young age?
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Parents are brainwashed with propaganda 24/7 (i.e. the OP and link).
Look at all the drug commercials on Tell-lie-Vision... every commercial break has at least 2 of them.
Go into any pharmacy and you'll see signs for "FREE FLU VACINATION"... or get vaccinated and get a coupon or % off certain items.
Vaccinations are toxic. They cause autism, neurological problems and cancer.
I'm starting to believe this argument more and more. When I was born we were vaccinated for a few things (measles, mumps, polio, whooping cough) now they are vaccinated for over 30 things. We have an immune system for a reason. It seems all these vaccines are weakening our immune systems. I know several people with autistic kids and that was unheard of decades ago. Of course the scientific community denies there is any correlation between this and vaccines but would they admit it if it were found to be the cause? Think of the billions of dollars in lawsuits.
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"3 deaths from measles since 2000."
Hey Einstein, did it ever occur to you that the extremely low number of deaths is because of the very same fact that we have vaccination?
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"3 deaths from measles since 2000."
Hey Einstein, did it ever occur to you that the extremely low number of deaths is because of the very same fact that we have vaccination?
How many people would die without the vaccine? You would have to study populations in third world countries where they don't get vaccinated.
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How many people would die without the vaccine? You would have to study populations in third world countries where they don't get vaccinated.
You mean, like the thousand of cases in just a few months, in Nigeria? ???
https://reliefweb.int/disaster/ep-2016-000126-nga
Or the hundred of thousands of cases per year in the U.S. before vaccination? ???
https://www.nvic.org/vaccines-and-diseases/measles/measles-history-in-america.aspx
Measles mortality rate is 0.2%. You do the math.
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Parents are brainwashed with propaganda 24/7 (i.e. the OP and link).
Look at all the drug commercials on Tell-lie-Vision... every commercial break has at least 2 of them.
Go into any pharmacy and you'll see signs for "FREE FLU VACINATION"... or get vaccinated and get a coupon or % off certain items.
Vaccinations are toxic. They cause autism, neurological problems and cancer.
Immunizations required to enter Kindergarten:
Polio.
Diphtheria, Tetanus, and Pertussis (DTaP)
Measles, Mumps, and Rubella (MMR)
Hepatitis B.
Varicella (Chickenpox)
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Parents are brainwashed with propaganda 24/7 (i.e. the OP and link).
Look at all the drug commercials on Tell-lie-Vision... every commercial break has at least 2 of them.
Go into any pharmacy and you'll see signs for "FREE FLU VACINATION"... or get vaccinated and get a coupon or % off certain items.
Vaccinations are toxic. They cause autism, neurological problems and cancer.
Source? That isnt YouTube or facebook
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You must not be American. Infants are vaccinated beginning at birth and receive more than a dozen vaccinations before their first birthday. If they can’t be vaccinated before then, why are their infant bodies being bombarded with vaccines and other chemicals at such a young age?
Not sure what my nationality has to do with anything but the topic of this thread is measles and the vaccine for it, which can't be administered until 12 months of age
CDC recommends that children get two doses: the first dose at 12 through 15 months of age, and the second dose before entering school at 4 through 6 years of age.
https://www.cdc.gov/features/measles/index.html
Hence the very real threat that unvaccinated people pose to newborns & infants.
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Please, don't vaccinate your kids. Please. That way your retard genes won't be passsed down to another generation of similar retards.
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Please, don't vaccinate your kids. Please. That way your retard genes won't be passsed down to another generation of similar retards.
How were genes passed down before vaccines? ???
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Some simpleton rationalization here. No wonder liberals exists in such huge numbers.
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Measles outbreak in Philippines.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/philippines-measles-outbreak-1.5023474
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Measles outbreak in Philippines.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/philippines-measles-outbreak-1.5023474
It’s MEASLES bro. A mild fever and a rash that goes away. People die of the common cold. Chicken pox killed fewer people than the vaccine.
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I'm not going to get into the argument of pro or anti vaccine. The problem is when the propaganda
Surrounding vaccines becomes the vaccine should be mandatory. Who really trusts the govt should be giving up everyone shots? What could go wrong?
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Long time reader, 10+ years. Finally a thread I want to participate in and hopefully learn more on this topic.
Just had baby and did a ton of research on vaccines and along with my wife decided not to vaccinate our son for at least a few years if ever.
Vaccines are a must on a global scale and their benefit outweighs any negatives, on a large scale, just like GMOs are a great way to feed the ever growing population despite possibly having unforeseen effects on ones health.
Over the next few days I'll share some of my findings that helped me decide to not vaccinate my child.
For starters here is a link to the Vaccine court:
https://www.hrsa.gov/sites/default/files/hrsa/vaccine-compensation/data/monthly-stats-february-2019.pdf
167 cases compensated in Jan 2019 for a total of $73,121,911.19,
another 412 petitions filed in Jan, 2019
Again, very small price to pay on a large scale, but for most of the vaccine "preventable" diseases, chances are about the same of catching the disease without vaccination or ending up in the vaccine court. Ill take the passive risk
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last 10 years vaccine court has paid out 6,356 cases worth $4,061,322,557.08
Slightly under $1 per dose paid out to injury, small price to pay, but you wont hear this in the news. In fact congress recently voted against advertising and bringing awareness to the vaccine court. Vaccine court wanted to do ads, congress denied, and I can see why, for the greater good
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Recently the CDC started recommending pregnant women get the TDAP vaccine to hopefully (scientifically unproved from a vaccine ) pass along pertussis (whooping cough) immunity to the fetus (this has not been scientifically demonstrated with a vaccine but does happen with the actual infection)
Seems harmless? Except that it is illegal to test vaccines on pregnant women and the vaccines are recommended without any kind of safety testing on pregnant women, just the general population. When the FDA was asked to vote on the issue of testing vaccines on pregnant women, they stuck with their decision to keep it illegal, but vaccines that are approved for the general public can be recommended to pregnant women without specific testing.
Our doctor pushed the vaccine almost every visit, but she had to choice but to follow what the guidelines say to do
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An interesting thing that could be related to this Portland measles outbreak is that there is a huge measles outbreak in Ukraine and Georgia (country not state) in areas close to secret USA Biological research facilities.
Very likely that this measles strain/outbreak leaked from one of those facilities. Russians are investigating:
https://www.rt.com/news/438543-georgia-us-laboratory-bio-weapons/
Vaccines wont help if some kind of rogue super strain leaks out.
This whole thing sure does sound like a conspiracy theory but you would have to be very naive to say there is zero change of something like this happening. It has happened in the past
https://www.rt.com/news/438543-georgia-us-laboratory-bio-weapons/
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It’s MEASLES bro. A mild fever and a rash that goes away. People die of the common cold. Chicken pox killed fewer people than the vaccine.
Before the measles vaccine, the disease killed over 2 million annually worldwide. Today it kills about 100,000.
In contrast, today the flu kills up to 500,000 annually worldwide.
"Measles is a highly contagious, serious disease caused by a virus. Before the introduction of measles vaccine
in 1963 and widespread vaccination, major epidemics occurred approximately every 2–3 years and measles
caused an estimated 2.6 million deaths each year."
https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/measles
The vaccine works. That the disease doesn't kill all that commonly or that your experience was mild is no reason to
ignore the benefits of the vaccine. 2 million X 55 (years) is greater than the combined population of Canada,
Poland, Australia, and Belgium.
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The vaccine works. That the disease doesn't kill all that commonly or that your experience was mild is no reason to
ignore the benefits of the vaccine. 2 million X 55 (years) is greater than the combined population of Canada,
Poland, Australia, and Belgium.
Agree that the vaccine is needed on a global scale but with current diet and lower rates of malnutrition, deaths would be greatly reduced. A healthy, well nourished child or adult is very unlikely to experience complications or death. most of those problem stem from malnutrition which was common back in the day, and today shit countries still face malnutrition and high death rates.
last I checked this outbreak in the USA had over a 100 people sick , with only 1 hospitalized and now recovered. Good nutrition/no starvation = your immune system fights this off no problem.
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https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/measles
Measles is still common in many developing countries – particularly in parts of Africa and Asia. The overwhelming majority (more than 95%) of measles deaths occur in countries with low per capita incomes and weak health infrastructures.
Because they are starving and have weak immune systems. A vaccine is cheaper and easier to give than plentiful food and water
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Welcome Long Time Reader. Good to have a guy who knows his shit on board!
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Yes, good stuff longtimereader.
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National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act removes all liability from vaccine manufacturers and doctors who administer vaccines.
This could potentially affect how careful doctors are when looking for contraindication and how careful manufacturers are when testing/manufacturing vaccines, they can do no wrong
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Childhood_Vaccine_Injury_Act
Now any vaccine injuries are quietly paid out by the vaccine court. Your doc and manufacturer does not care
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There are many cases of doctors giving vaccines without parental consent, and there is nothing the parent can do, the doc is 100% protected and fault free thanks to the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act
"Federal law does not explicitly require parental consent for vaccinations."
"States generally do not have comprehensive statutes that specify consent requirements for vaccination of children"
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Agree that the vaccine is needed on a global scale but with current diet and lower rates of malnutrition, deaths would be greatly reduced. A healthy, well nourished child or adult is very unlikely to experience complications or death. most of those problem stem from malnutrition which was common back in the day, and today shit countries still face malnutrition and high death rates.
last I checked this outbreak in the USA had over a 100 people sick , with only 1 hospitalized and now recovered. Good nutrition/no starvation = your immune system fights this off no problem.
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/08/15/health/us-measles-cases-cdc/index.html
Most of the people who got measles had not been vaccinated, the CDC said.
Not getting vaccinated against measles is stupid.
Is putting you, your family, and your neighbors through unnecessary suffering.
Yeah, being in good health makes you more tolerant to infections, so to speak, but why on earth would you refuse to take something that's 95% effective against measles?
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Not getting vaccinated against measles is stupid.
Is putting you, your family, and your neighbors through unnecessary suffering.
Yeah, being in good health makes you more tolerant to infections, so to speak, but why on earth would you refuse to take something that's 95% effective against measles?
What is weird is that I can't find detailed age stats or the number of vaccinated vs unvaccinated people affected by this outbreak. I've read that at least a few of the cases were fully vaccinated. The measles vaccine is not given until 12-15 months old and because I'm having a hard time finding age stats I'm led to believe that many of the un-vacinnated cases where to young to get the vaccine (another failure of the vaccine and schedule)
From your article "Symptoms such as high fever, rash all over the body, stuffy nose and reddened eyes typically disappear without treatment within two or three weeks"
Also a funny correction at the bottom of article, they originally thought they had a pic of a child with measles but it turns out to be a vaccine side effect rash and not measles lol
"Correction: This article previously included a photograph of a child with a rash linked to a vaccination. The image has been removed. "
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Ill post a few more reasons soon why I decided not to vax my child. here is a little preview:
USA: 33 vaccine doses before age 1
Almost the rest of the world: 11 doses
But wait! USA is not lowest in infant mortality, It's the countries with just 11 doses before age 1. WOW! Study looks into correlation between more vaccine doses and infant mortality rates
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What is weird is that I can't find detailed age stats or the number of vaccinated vs unvaccinated people affected by this outbreak. I've read that at least a few of the cases were fully vaccinated. The measles vaccine is not given until 12-15 months old and because I'm having a hard time finding age stats I'm led to believe that many of the un-vacinnated cases where to young to get the vaccine (another failure of the vaccine and schedule)
A few cases out of 100 infected is close to an efficacy of 95%, just like the medical literature claims.
From your article "Symptoms such as high fever, rash all over the body, stuffy nose and reddened eyes typically disappear without treatment within two or three weeks"
So? Nobody has ever claimed the death rate is 100%, the death rate is 2 in 1000. But if you have thousand of hundred of cases, you get hundreds of deaths.
Even if the death rate was 0%, I would rather get vaccinated than to suffer the symptons.
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A few cases out of 100 infected is close to an efficacy of 95%, just like the medical literature claims.
So? Nobody has ever claimed the death rate is 100%, the death rate is 2 in 1000. But if you have thousand of hundred of cases, you get hundreds of deaths.
Even if the death rate was 0%, I would rather get vaccinated than to suffer the symptons.
They are not releasing the number of people that were vaccinated in this outbreak, I have a feeling the numbers are high
The 2 in 1000 death rate is world wide. and 95% of the deaths happen in poor countries according to the WHO "The overwhelming majority (more than 95%) of measles deaths occur in countries with low per capita incomes and weak health infrastructures."
https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/measles
Chances of death from measles in the USA are practically zero.
Here is some stuff about the 2015 measles outbreak:
"During the 2015 California measles outbreak, many suspected cases actually occurred in persons who were recently vaccinated. 194 measles virus sequences were collected in 2015, with 73 cases found to have actually been vaccine strain measles.42 While referred to by the CDC as a vaccine reaction, a rash and fever occurring 10-14 days following vaccination is indistinguishable from wild type measles and requires confirmation by genotyping.43 Multiple studies have been published on vaccine strain measles and the inability of physicians to differentiate between wild and vaccine strain measles without genotyping"
https://www.nvic.org/vaccines-and-diseases/measles/measles-history-in-america.aspx
These infections are evolving and rendering vaccines less and less effective.
BUT I AGREE, everyone should get vaccinated, I don't give a shit what kind of side effects other people face. I'm just giving my reasoning for no vaccinating my child.
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Not getting vaccinated against measles is stupid.
Were you born prior to the 90's? If so go get caught up on all your vaccines, the current schedule has 33 doses before age 1. Before the 90's people in the USA received just 1/3 of the current doses. Many of the vaccines require boosters through out life time.
Don't be stupid and go get your Tdap vaccine every 10 years, flu shot every year, get the HPV vaccine, get the Pneumococcal and Meningococcal and Chickenpox, Varicella, Hepatitis A, Hepatitis B Hib. Don't be stupid go do what the CDC says to do.
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/schedules/downloads/adult/adult-schedule-easy-read.pdf
Then let us know if you get cancer or an autoimmune disorder from wearing your immune system out.
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Were you born prior to the 90's? If so go get caught up on all your vaccines, the current schedule has 33 doses before age 1. Before the 90's people in the USA received just 1/3 of the current doses. Many of the vaccines require boosters through out life time.
Don't be stupid and go get your Tdap vaccine every 10 years, flu shot every year, get the HPV vaccine, get the Pneumococcal and Meningococcal and Chickenpox, Varicella, Hepatitis A, Hepatitis B Hib. Don't be stupid go do what the CDC says to do.
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/schedules/downloads/adult/adult-schedule-easy-read.pdf
Then let us know if you get cancer or an autoimmune disorder from wearing your immune system out.
Yeah, because that's how science works. ::) ::) ::)
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Yeah, because that's how science works. ::) ::) ::)
There is ongoing research related to this. The immune system does have a limited capacity, scientists don't know what it is and there is potential that we are using up some of that with vaccines without knowing consequences later on in life. Remember the first people to receive vaccines are just now becoming elderly and we have ever growing rates of cancer, Alzheimer and other autoimmune diseases in the elderly. Science doesn't know what's causing such an increase in cases. You would be foolish to think that a vaccine is free way to get immunity for the rest of your life without some kind of trade-offs. Vaccine research is ongoing and the early vaccine recipients are just now getting old.
Lets see what happens to these teenagers that are loaded up on 70+ doses of vaccines in their life time, what kind of illnesses will they face when they age.
Our immune systems are not evolved to handle/remember this many antigens without some kind of trade off later on. Think about the thousands of years the human immune system evolved over, humans would never come in contact with all of these diseases in nature, they come accross a few through their life time but never the dozen+.
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Yeah, because that's how science works. ::) ::) ::)
Hepatitis B Vaccine Linked to Onset of Diabetes
https://www.webmd.com/diabetes/news/20000613/hepatitis-b-vaccine-linked-to-onset-of-diabetes#1
Vaccines can have unpredictable effects on the immune system, don't be foolish to think we know everything. look at how many medications, including vaccines have been recalled, even decades after hitting the market due to safety concerns that were missed at first
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Yeah, because that's how science works. ::) ::) ::)
Have you scheduled an appointment to get caught up on your vaccines in accordance to the CDC adult vaccine recommendations? Better hurry and be safe, all those virus are out there to get you.
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Yeah, because that's how science works. ::) ::) ::)
The vaccination might display autoimmune side effects and potentially even trigger a full-blown autoimmune disease. This susceptibility to vaccine-induced autoimmunity is probably determined also by genetic predisposition, which further emphasizes the importance of “the mosaic of autoimmunity”
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5607155/
Vaccines and autoimmune disease: there is a connection
https://www.thefamilythathealstogether.com/vaccines-and-autoimmune-disease-is-there-a-connection/
Vaccinne pamphlets include the following:
https://thevaccinereaction.org/2018/05/is-there-a-link-between-vaccines-and-the-rise-in-pediatric-cancer/#_edn9
“This vaccine has not been evaluated for its carcinogenic or mutagenic potentials or impairment of fertility,” which suggests that the potential link between cancer and vaccines has not been thoroughly studied.
Until well-designed biological mechanism and epidemiological studies are conducted to investigate vaccines and pediatric cancer, including a comparison of cancer rates in vaccinated and unvaccinated children, the question about whether vaccines do or do not cause cancer in children will remain unanswered.
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There is ongoing research related to this. The immune system does have a limited capacity, scientists don't know what it is and there is potential that we are using up some of that with vaccines without knowing consequences later on in life. Remember the first people to receive vaccines are just now becoming elderly and we have ever growing rates of cancer, Alzheimer and other autoimmune diseases in the elderly. Science doesn't know what's causing such an increase in cases. You would be foolish to think that a vaccine is free way to get immunity for the rest of your life without some kind of trade-offs. Vaccine research is ongoing and the early vaccine recipients are just now getting old.
Lets see what happens to these teenagers that are loaded up on 70+ doses of vaccines in their life time, what kind of illnesses will they face when they age.
Our immune systems are not evolved to handle/remember this many antigens without some kind of trade off later on. Think about the thousands of years the human immune system evolved over, humans would never come in contact with all of these diseases in nature, they come accross a few through their life time but never the dozen+.
1. What do you mean we don't know the cause of more cases of cancer? Cancer risk increases with age, and life expectancy has increased in the last 50 years.
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2. Why are you assuming the trade-off (if there is one) has to be huge? ???
3. "In nature", humans never sit in front of glowing screens, drink coke or chlorinated their water. The "it's not natural" argument is meaningless.
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2. Why are you assuming the trade-off (if there is one) has to be huge? ???
Infant mortality rates regressed against number of vaccine doses routinely given: Is there a biochemical or synergistic toxicity?
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3170075/
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The US childhood immunization schedule requires 26 (now it's 33) vaccine doses for infants aged less than 1 year, the most in the world, yet 33 nations have better IMRs. Using linear regression, the immunization schedules of these 34 nations were examined and a correlation coefficient of 0.70 (p < 0.0001) was found between IMRs and the number of vaccine doses routinely given to infants. When nations were grouped into five different vaccine dose ranges (12–14, 15–17, 18–20, 21–23, and 24–26), 98.3% of the total variance in IMR was explained by the unweighted linear regression model. These findings demonstrate a counter-intuitive relationship: nations that require more vaccine doses tend to have higher infant mortality rates.
Efforts to reduce the relatively high US IMR have been elusive. Finding ways to lower preterm birth rates should be a high priority. However, preventing premature births is just a partial solution to reduce infant deaths. A closer inspection of correlations between vaccine doses, biochemical or synergistic toxicity, and IMRs, is essential. All nations—rich and poor, advanced and developing—have an obligation to determine whether their immunization schedules are achieving their desired goals.
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3. "In nature", humans never sit in front of glowing screens, drink coke or chlorinated their water. The "it's not natural" argument is meaningless.
All of those things are bad too. Are you going to argue all of the above is good? It all ads up
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Hepatitis B Vaccine Linked to Onset of Diabetes
https://www.webmd.com/diabetes/news/20000613/hepatitis-b-vaccine-linked-to-onset-of-diabetes#1
Vaccines can have unpredictable effects on the immune system, don't be foolish to think we know everything. look at how many medications, including vaccines have been recalled, even decades after hitting the market due to safety concerns that were missed at first
Do you actually understand what correlation is?
"Linked", "correlated", etc, doesn't mean x causes y. It means (if r is positive) that as x increases, y also increases (an increase of 1 SD in x equals an increase of 1 SD times r in y.
But there are confounding variables in pretty much every study!
I'm not saying that correlation is useless, I'm saying we need to be cautious in the conclusions we make.
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Do you actually understand what correlation is?
"Linked", "correlated", etc, doesn't mean x causes y. It means (if r is positive) that as x increases, y also increases (an increase of 1 SD in x equals an increase of 1 SD times r in y.
But there are confounding variables in pretty much every study!
I'm not saying that correlation is useless, I'm saying we need to be cautious in the conclusions we make.
I agree, but this sort of stuff definitely got me thinking. Vaccines are not as safe and innocent as most would think. Is it not a surprise that those who avoid vaccination happen to be highly educated and of higher socio-economic classes. Those who can think for themselves don't blindly follow the CDC
I'm glad I live in a state that allows for philosophical exemptions. Both parents just have to sign a form.
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All of those things are bad too. Are you going to argue all of the above is good? It all ads up
Ads up to what? Cancer?
So maybe it's not the vaccines, maybe it's the processed meat, maybe it's the wi-fi, maybe it's the presticide residue in food, maybe it's the carbonated drinks, maybe it's the sugar, maybe it's the GMO ingredients in food.
The list is endless, therefore "it's not natural" is not a good argument.
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Ads up to what? Cancer?
The list is endless, therefore "it's not natural" is not a good argument.
Yea all that ads up to leading cause of death, heart disease #1, cancer #2 but it does not add up to cause #3 medical errors:
https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/news/media/releases/study_suggests_medical_errors_now_third_leading_cause_of_death_in_the_us
You have a much greater change of dying as a result of a medical error than any of the diseases we vaccinate against.
The Johns Hopkins team says the CDC’s way of collecting national health statistics fails to classify medical errors separately on the death certificate. The researchers are advocating for updated criteria for classifying deaths on death certificates.
Wonder why the CDC wants to hide this, they said they would make changes but so far nothing.
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The same CDC you trust for your vaccine safety data is the same CDC that is hiding medical error deaths. 2016 John Hopkins study finds
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28186008
Recent studies of medical errors have estimated errors may account for as many as 251,000 deaths annually in the United States
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The CDC you trust failed to follow Ethic codes and did not disclose/investigate conflict of interests on vaccine advisory committees. The committees that create the vaccine schedule are full of people tied to big pharma, it is no wonder why USA recommends the most vaccines in the world:
https://oig.hhs.gov/oei/reports/oei-04-07-00260.pdf
Department of Health and Human Services
OFFICE OF INSPECTOR GENERAL
We found that CDC had a systemic lack of oversight of the ethics program
for SGEs. That is, CDC and its SGEs did not comply with ethics
requirements in 2007.
For almost all special Government employees, CDC did not ensure
that financial disclosure forms were complete in 2007.
CDC did not identify or resolve potential conflicts of interest for
64 percent of special Government employees in 2007.
CDC did not ensure that 41 percent of special Government employees
received required ethics training in 2007
Fifteen percent of special Government employees did not comply with
ethics requirements during committee meetings in 2007.
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This isn't some conspiracy theory, this is straight from the OFFICE OF INSPECTOR GENERAL
Big pharma is creating your vaccine schedule, with 1 thing in mind. profits.
former Head of CDC is now working at Pfizer, lets see how many Pfizer vaccines are recommended in the near future by the CDC
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Infant mortality rates regressed against number of vaccine doses routinely given: Is there a biochemical or synergistic toxicity?
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3170075/
(https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3170075/bin/10.1177_0960327111407644-fig2.jpg)
The US childhood immunization schedule requires 26 (now it's 33) vaccine doses for infants aged less than 1 year, the most in the world, yet 33 nations have better IMRs. Using linear regression, the immunization schedules of these 34 nations were examined and a correlation coefficient of 0.70 (p < 0.0001) was found between IMRs and the number of vaccine doses routinely given to infants. When nations were grouped into five different vaccine dose ranges (12–14, 15–17, 18–20, 21–23, and 24–26), 98.3% of the total variance in IMR was explained by the unweighted linear regression model. These findings demonstrate a counter-intuitive relationship: nations that require more vaccine doses tend to have higher infant mortality rates.
Efforts to reduce the relatively high US IMR have been elusive. Finding ways to lower preterm birth rates should be a high priority. However, preventing premature births is just a partial solution to reduce infant deaths. A closer inspection of correlations between vaccine doses, biochemical or synergistic toxicity, and IMRs, is essential. All nations—rich and poor, advanced and developing—have an obligation to determine whether their immunization schedules are achieving their desired goals.
Then the argument should not be "vaccination is bad" (I know you didn't say that, but most anti-vaxxers do), the argument should be "too much vaccination is bad".
This of course, when you assume the conclusions of the study are true.
I personally suspect this is a case of ecological correlation. Using rates and averages for computing r inflates the result, since you eliminate the spread among individuals.
http://wiki.math.yorku.ca/index.php/Statistics:_Ecological_correlation
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Then the argument should not be "vaccination is bad" (I know you didn't say that, but most anti-vaxxers do), the argument should be "too much vaccination is bad".
This of course, when you assume the conclusions of the study are true.
I personally suspect this is a case of ecological correlation. Using rates and averages for computing r inflates the result, since you eliminate the spread among individuals.
http://wiki.math.yorku.ca/index.php/Statistics:_Ecological_correlation
The CDC schedule is all or nothing.
I feel some vaccines are ok but philosophical exemption requires to decline all vaccines and not pick and choose.
I have a feeling we might vaccinate our child when he's a few years old and critical early development is complete but idk, need more research lol
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The CDC schedule is all or nothing.
I feel some vaccines are ok but philosophical exemption requires to decline all vaccines and not pick and choose.
I have a feeling we might vaccinate our child when he's a few years old and critical early development is complete but idk, need more research lol
I have the feeling that most medical studies are crap.
1. Most conditions are multifactorial. When I read "ham causes cancer" I just stop.
2. Most doctors suck at mathematics. They may be highly intelligent, but math is just not their strong point.
3. P-hacking.
4. Something being statiscally significant doesn't mean that it has practical results.
I may be wrong, it's just what I feel about this.
Why do I think vaccines work? Look at the number of cases before and after vaccination was introduced. The trend is the same for every single country.
(https://slideplayer.es/slide/2459116/8/images/3/Sarampi%C3%B3n+4%2C125%2C676+casos+206%2C284+muertes+Miles+de+casos.jpg)
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Why do I think vaccines work? Look at the number of cases before and after vaccination was introduced. The trend is the same for every single one.
Vaccines work, that's a fact. *except for flu vaccine, its crap at under 40% efficacy. I hope every one gets vaccinated. The $1 we pay per dose for injury is far less than we would pay to heal those that get sick without vaccination. But vaccines are not perfect and are less safe and effective than we are led to believe and I strongly feel that those who do not want vaccines should not be forced by the government to get them.
Maybe I would agree with "Anti Vaxxres should be arrested" if we got rid of the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act, and if my child gets injured as a result of the vaccine, the doctor and the pharm company are personally liable. Doc's hands would be shaking when giving vaccines if this was the case.
For my child I feel like the risks of vaccines out weigh the benefits he would receive, I'd rather take the passive risk of not vaccinating than the active risk of vaccinating. I'll let him take advantage of herd immunity for vaccines that offer it.
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Why do I think vaccines work? Look at the number of cases before and after vaccination was introduced. The trend is the same for every single country.
(https://slideplayer.es/slide/2459116/8/images/3/Sarampi%C3%B3n+4%2C125%2C676+casos+206%2C284+muertes+Miles+de+casos.jpg)
Just messing with you but does this apply to your stats and charts?
"Linked", "correlated", etc, doesn't mean x causes y. It means (if r is positive) that as x increases, y also increases (an increase of 1 SD in x equals an increase of 1 SD times r in y.
But there are confounding variables in pretty much every study!
I personally suspect this is a case of ecological correlation. Using rates and averages for computing r inflates the result, since you eliminate the spread among individuals.
http://wiki.math.yorku.ca/index.php/Statistics:_Ecological_correlation
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Just messing with you but does this apply to your stats and charts?
"Linked", "correlated", etc, doesn't mean x causes y. It means (if r is positive) that as x increases, y also increases (an increase of 1 SD in x equals an increase of 1 SD times r in y.
But there are confounding variables in pretty much every study!
This is not a scatterplot, no correlation is mentioned here.
I personally suspect this is a case of ecological correlation. Using rates and averages for computing r inflates the result, since you eliminate the spread among individuals.
http://wiki.math.yorku.ca/index.php/Statistics:_Ecological_correlation
Same as above.
To be fair, you could argue that there are more factors that have played a role in the decrease of number of cases of measles, and while I totally agree with that, it seems to me vaccination is by far the strongest factor.
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People should be free to refuse the administration of chemicals into their bodies and invasive procedures.
The man in his speechs links vaccines with population reduction several times:
How can vaccines reduce population?
1 - Kill people instantly.
2 - Reduce life expectancy.
3 - Reduce fertility.
4 - Sterilize people.
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To be fair, you could argue that there are more factors that have played a role in the decrease of number of cases of measles, and while I totally agree with that, it seems to me vaccination is by far the strongest factor.
Here is another interesting argument regarding preventing potential illness as vaccines do.
Right now my child has a very low chance of getting any vaccine preventable disease, lets say far less than 1%.
But my child has a 7% lifetime chance of getting appendicitis which is responsible for over 300,000 hospitalizations and surgeries yearly in the USA.
Should I get a preventative appendectomy for my child, the surgery is very safe and lets say I can afford it. Why not "immunize" him from appendicitis?
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People should be free to refuse the administration of chemicals into their bodies and invasive procedures.
@02:37
Yes, you should be free to refuse to be vaccinated (as an adult). But if you turn yourself into a walking focus of infection, then you should be face the legal consequences!!!
How can vaccines reduce population?
1 - Kill people instantly.
2 - Reduce life expectancy.
3 - Reduce fertility.
4 - Sterilize people.
The world populations has increased all these years. ???
(https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Bjoern_Bruecher/publication/321996838/figure/fig1/AS:574275157741568@1513929275722/World-Population-1800-2050-6.png)
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Yes, you should be free to refuse to be vaccinated (as an adult). But if you turn yourself into a walking focus of infection, then you should be face the legal consequences!!!
Spread any of these = 5 years min, we'd all be in jail
Adenovirus
Bronchiolitis
Campylobacter Infections
Cat Scratch Disease
Cellulitis
Chickenpox
Chlamydia
Cold Sores
Colds
Coxsackievirus Infections
Croup
Cytomegalovirus (CMV)
Dengue Fever
Diphtheria
E. Coli
Ebola
Encephalitis
Fevers
Fifth Disease
Food Poisoning
Genital Herpes
Genital Warts (HPV)
Gonorrhea
HIV and AIDS
Hand, Foot, and Mouth Disease
Helicobacter pylori
Hepatitis
Hepatitis A
Hepatitis B
Hepatitis C
Hib Disease (Haemophilus Influenzae Type b)
How to Take Your Child's Temperature
Impetigo
Infant Botulism
Infections That Pets Carry
Listeria Infections
Lyme Disease
MRSA
Measles
Meningitis
Middle Ear Infections
Mononucleosis
Mumps
Osteomyelitis
Peritonsillar Abscess
Pinkeye (Conjunctivitis)
Polio
PrEP (Pre-Exposure Prophylaxis)
Rabies
Recurrent Urinary Tract Infections and Related Conditions
Respiratory Syncytial Virus
Reye Syndrome
Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever
Roseola
Rotavirus
Rubella (German Measles)
Salmonella Infections
Scarlet Fever
Shigella Infections (Shigellosis)
Shingles
Sinusitis
Smallpox
Staph Infections
Strep Throat
Swimmer's Ear (Otitis Externa)
Syphilis
Talking to Your Kids About STDs
Tetanus
The Flu (Influenza)
Tonsillitis
Toxic Shock Syndrome
Toxic Synovitis
Tuberculosis
Urinary Tract Infections
Warts
West Nile Virus
What Is "PANS"?
What Is Powassan Virus?
When and Where to Get Medical Care
Whooping Cough (Pertussis)
Yersiniosis
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I'm not going to get into the argument of pro or anti vaccine. The problem is when the propaganda
Surrounding vaccines becomes the vaccine should be mandatory. Who really trusts the govt should be giving up everyone shots? What could go wrong?
Does the government give everyone vaccinations? I did not know that. For some reason, I thought doctors and now pharmacies did this.
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Before the measles vaccine, the disease killed over 2 million annually worldwide. Today it kills about 100,000.
In contrast, today the flu kills up to 500,000 annually worldwide.
"Measles is a highly contagious, serious disease caused by a virus. Before the introduction of measles vaccine
in 1963 and widespread vaccination, major epidemics occurred approximately every 2–3 years and measles
caused an estimated 2.6 million deaths each year."
https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/measles
The vaccine works. That the disease doesn't kill all that commonly or that your experience was mild is no reason to
ignore the benefits of the vaccine. 2 million X 55 (years) is greater than the combined population of Canada,
Poland, Australia, and Belgium.
Good information. Thanks.
Is there any scientific proof of a link between autism and childhood vaccinations? Has anyone ever looked into other possible ASD causes. Most of the food we eat has been adulterated with chemicals and preservatives. Could not these be linked to an increase in autism, (if there actually is one)? ASD and Asperger syndrome mostly affects males, why is that?
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Does the government give everyone vaccinations? I did not know that. For some reason, I thought doctors and now pharmacies did this.
The government (CDC) tells them what vaccines to give and the government creates the vaccine schedule with the help of big pharma on their advisory boards
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Good information. Thanks.
Is there any scientific proof of a link between autism and childhood vaccinations? Has anyone ever looked into other possible ASD causes. Most of the food we eat has been adulterated with chemicals and preservatives. Could not these be linked to an increase in autism, (if there actually is one)? ASD and Asperger syndrome mostly affects males, why is that?
Recent studies (all CDC funded) do not show a link between vaccines and Autism. These studies happened as damage control after some third party research said there might be a link, CDC had to reassure parents that there is no link.
But I'm curios if there was a strong link what would the government do? Discontinue vaccinations and face a surge in vaccine preventable diseases or somehow keep it quite and fund a dozen studies showing there is no link. Seems obvious what they would have to do, Autism is far less prevalent than vaccine preventable diseases.
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Here is a link to the MMR vaccine insert, reading it is pretty scary, everyone should read the vaccine inserts before getting a vaccine
https://www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_circulars/m/mmr_ii/mmr_ii_pi.pdf
M-M-R II has not been evaluated for carcinogenic or mutagenic potential, or potential to impair fertility.
Pregnancy
Animal reproduction studies have not been conducted with M-M-R II. It is also not known whether
M-M-R II can cause fetal harm when administered to a pregnant woman or can affect reproduction
capacity. Therefore, the vaccine should not be administered to pregnant females; furthermore, pregnancy
should be avoided for 3 months following vaccination
Safety and effectiveness of measles vaccine in infants below the age of 6 months have not been
established (see also CLINICAL PHARMACOLOGY). Safety and effectiveness of mumps and rubella
vaccine in infants less than 12 months of age have not been established.
Following vaccination in children, reactions in joints are uncommon and generally of brief duration. In
women, incidence rates for arthritis and arthralgia are generally higher than those seen in children
(children: 0-3%; women: 12-26%),{17,56,57} and the reactions tend to be more marked and of longer
duration. Symptoms may persist for a matter of months or on rare occasions for years.
In severely immunocompromised individuals who have been inadvertently vaccinated with measlescontaining vaccine; measles inclusion body encephalitis, pneumonitis, and fatal outcome as a direct
consequence of disseminated measles vaccine virus infection have been reported
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Recent studies (all CDC funded) do not show a link between vaccines and Autism. These studies happened as damage control after some third party research said there might be a link, CDC had to reassure parents that there is no link.
But I'm curios if there was a strong link what would the government do? Discontinue vaccinations and face a surge in vaccine preventable diseases or somehow keep it quite and fund a dozen studies showing there is no link. Seems obvious what they would have to do, Autism is far less prevalent than vaccine preventable diseases.
I'm not much for these types of government conspiracy theories. However, your question is intriguing. It would make for a good science fiction movie or book plot. Another question to consider is, what if the public knew for certain that there was a connection between vaccinations and autism? Would parents risk their childrens' health for the sake of the very rare chance they might develop autism from inoculations?
One way for science to narrow down the causes of autism would be to study the incidence of signs of it in infants who have yet to receive all the vaccinations. Unfortunately, vaccinations commence shortly after birth. The recommended first DTaP shot is at 2 months of age. Another way is to research other possible contributors to the condition, such as the additives in the food we eat.
Signs that your baby may have autism
1. No social smiling. ...
2. Lack of eye contact. ...
3. Not responding to their name. ...
4. No social anticipation or Peek-A-Boo. ...
5. Poor visual tracking. ...
6. Lack of social babbling. ...
7. Fixation on unusual objects.
Fluoridated water has been a concern too. Too much fluoride over a long time period may cause skeletal fluorosis. But, how much is too much? If it is in our drinking water as well as the toothpaste and mouthwashes we use and you add fluoride treatments at the dentist, how do you know you're not overdoing it and therefore running the risk of bad side effects. In areas of naturally occurring fluoride in the ground water, such as it is in parts of Asia, skeletal fluorosis is more common.
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Fluoridated water has been a concern too. Too much fluoride over a long time period may cause skeletal fluorosis. But, how much is too much? If it is in our drinking water as well as the toothpaste and mouthwashes we use and you add fluoride treatments at the dentist, how do you know you're not overdoing it and therefore running the risk of bad side effects. In areas of naturally occurring fluoride in the ground water, such as it is in parts of Asia, skeletal fluorosis is more common.
I'm glad my local municipal utility district does not fluoridate water but that's a whole different topic. Lots of stuff is bad for us but at least we have the freedom to choose what bad stuff we expose ourselves to for the most part. Who knows what all those electromagnetic waves will do to us, Heck I have 3 wifi routers blasting 2.4ghz and 5ghz waves in the house. Who knows what kind of effect this will have in 20+ years of non stop exposure.
We already know living near high powered power lines causes all kinds of health problems, lower powered waves can't be too good either.
"living next to high voltage power lines and other parts of the power transmission network increases your risk of cancer and other health problems"
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If vaccinations were effective and actually worked, parents of vaccinated kids wouldn’t worry about unvaccinated kids.
You have been identified as an uneducated person, You have 30 days to educate yourself on vaccinations or you will be banned.
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If vaccinations were effective and actually worked, parents of vaccinated kids wouldn’t worry about unvaccinated kids.
Time to check your moth eaten brain out of the cedar closet.
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Problem does not lie in vaccinated people but in people who are unable to get it because of immune system which does not allow it.
And more unvaccinated people increase the risk of spreading the diseases that can be easily prevented.
Please tell me more about this. You've opened up a can of worms I wasn't aware existed.
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The government (CDC) tells them what vaccines to give and the government creates the vaccine schedule with the help of big pharma on their advisory boards
True. But, if you principally object to this, you still have a few options, one of which is to home school your kids. There is some risk involved though. A religious community near here, known as The Followers of Christ will not seek medical assistance under any circumstances. A few of their children have died from preventable and/or easily curable medical conditions. The parents were charged and found guilty of child neglect. Some of these parents have been given prison time.
My cousin is a retired CEO of Pfizer. I never met him, but some of his family has nothing good to say about him or Pfizer. He's filthy rich. Maybe they're just jealous. ::)
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I'm glad my local municipal utility district does not fluoridate water but that's a whole different topic. Lots of stuff is bad for us but at least we have the freedom to choose what bad stuff we expose ourselves to for the most part. Who knows what all those electromagnetic waves will do to us, Heck I have 3 wifi routers blasting 2.4ghz and 5ghz waves in the house. Who knows what kind of effect this will have in 20+ years of non stop exposure.
We already know living near high powered power lines causes all kinds of health problems, lower powered waves can't be too good either.
"living next to high voltage power lines and other parts of the power transmission network increases your risk of cancer and other health problems"
My late wife worked at a college whose campus was crossed by high voltage power lines. The incidence of cancer among staff was definitely thought provoking.
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Please tell me more about this. You've opened up a can of worms I wasn't aware existed.
herd immunity
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herd immunity
which is the basic premise..
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This measles outbreak cost has topped 1 mil and is expected to go higher.
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This measles outbreak cost has topped 1 mil and is expected to go higher.
Great. Lets let more illegals in and see if we can add tuberculosis to the mix. Of course you will trot out left leaning publications like Snopes to say I'm wrong, so in advance I'll trot out these scientific publications to say I'm right:
https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/38/12/1742/304890
and this:
https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/8/7/01-0482_article
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This measles outbreak cost has topped 1 mil and is expected to go higher.
VAX court paid out $73,121,911.19 already THIS YEAR
https://www.hrsa.gov/sites/default/files/hrsa/vaccine-compensation/data/monthly-stats-february-2019.pdf
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This measles outbreak cost has topped 1 mil and is expected to go higher.
How did they come up with that number?
About 120 people confirmed, only 1 hospitalized and is now out. $10K per person on what???????