"The Anti-Vaxxers Spreading Measles in Portland Should Be Arrested"

[longtimereader]

Yeah, because that's how science works.

There is ongoing research related to this. The immune system does have a limited capacity, scientists don't know what it is and there is potential that we are using up some of that with vaccines without knowing consequences later on in life. Remember the first people to receive vaccines are just now becoming elderly and we have ever growing rates of cancer, Alzheimer and other autoimmune diseases in the elderly. Science doesn't know what's causing such an increase in cases. You would be foolish to think that a vaccine is free way to get immunity for the rest of your life without some kind of trade-offs. Vaccine research is ongoing and the early vaccine recipients are just now getting old.

Lets see what happens to these teenagers that are loaded up on 70+ doses of vaccines in their life time, what kind of illnesses will they face when they age.

Our immune systems are not evolved to handle/remember this many antigens without some kind of trade off later on. Think about the thousands of years the human immune system evolved over, humans would never come in contact with all of these diseases in nature, they come accross a few through their life time but never the dozen+.

[longtimereader]

Yeah, because that's how science works.

Hepatitis B Vaccine Linked to Onset of Diabetes

https://www.webmd.com/diabetes/news/20000613/hepatitis-b-vaccine-linked-to-onset-of-diabetes#1

Vaccines can have unpredictable effects on the immune system, don't be foolish to think we know everything. look at how many medications, including vaccines have been recalled, even decades after hitting the market due to safety concerns that were missed at first

[longtimereader]

Yeah, because that's how science works.

Have you scheduled an appointment to get caught up on your vaccines in accordance to the CDC adult vaccine recommendations? Better hurry and be safe, all those virus are out there to get you.

[longtimereader]

Yeah, because that's how science works.

The vaccination might display autoimmune side effects and potentially even trigger a full-blown autoimmune disease. This susceptibility to vaccine-induced autoimmunity is probably determined also by genetic predisposition, which further emphasizes the importance of “the mosaic of autoimmunity”

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5607155/

Vaccines and autoimmune disease: there is a connection

https://www.thefamilythathealstogether.com/vaccines-and-autoimmune-disease-is-there-a-connection/

Vaccinne pamphlets include the following:

https://thevaccinereaction.org/2018/05/is-there-a-link-between-vaccines-and-the-rise-in-pediatric-cancer/#_edn9

“This vaccine has not been evaluated for its carcinogenic or mutagenic potentials or impairment of fertility,” which suggests that the potential link between cancer and vaccines has not been thoroughly studied.

Until well-designed biological mechanism and epidemiological studies are conducted to investigate vaccines and pediatric cancer, including a comparison of cancer rates in vaccinated and unvaccinated children, the question about whether vaccines do or do not cause cancer in children will remain unanswered.

[el numero uno]

There is ongoing research related to this. The immune system does have a limited capacity, scientists don't know what it is and there is potential that we are using up some of that with vaccines without knowing consequences later on in life. Remember the first people to receive vaccines are just now becoming elderly and we have ever growing rates of cancer, Alzheimer and other autoimmune diseases in the elderly. Science doesn't know what's causing such an increase in cases. You would be foolish to think that a vaccine is free way to get immunity for the rest of your life without some kind of trade-offs. Vaccine research is ongoing and the early vaccine recipients are just now getting old.

Lets see what happens to these teenagers that are loaded up on 70+ doses of vaccines in their life time, what kind of illnesses will they face when they age.

Our immune systems are not evolved to handle/remember this many antigens without some kind of trade off later on. Think about the thousands of years the human immune system evolved over, humans would never come in contact with all of these diseases in nature, they come accross a few through their life time but never the dozen+.

1. What do you mean we don't know the cause of more cases of cancer? Cancer risk increases with age, and life expectancy has increased in the last 50 years.



2. Why are you assuming the trade-off (if there is one) has to be huge?  

3. "In nature", humans never sit in front of glowing screens, drink coke or chlorinated their water. The "it's not natural" argument is meaningless.

[longtimereader]

2. Why are you assuming the trade-off (if there is one) has to be huge?  

Infant mortality rates regressed against number of vaccine doses routinely given: Is there a biochemical or synergistic toxicity?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3170075/



The US childhood immunization schedule requires 26 (now it's 33) vaccine doses for infants aged less than 1 year, the most in the world, yet 33 nations have better IMRs. Using linear regression, the immunization schedules of these 34 nations were examined and a correlation coefficient of 0.70 (p < 0.0001) was found between IMRs and the number of vaccine doses routinely given to infants. When nations were grouped into five different vaccine dose ranges (12–14, 15–17, 18–20, 21–23, and 24–26), 98.3% of the total variance in IMR was explained by the unweighted linear regression model. These findings demonstrate a counter-intuitive relationship: nations that require more vaccine doses tend to have higher infant mortality rates.

Efforts to reduce the relatively high US IMR have been elusive. Finding ways to lower preterm birth rates should be a high priority. However, preventing premature births is just a partial solution to reduce infant deaths. A closer inspection of correlations between vaccine doses, biochemical or synergistic toxicity, and IMRs, is essential. All nations—rich and poor, advanced and developing—have an obligation to determine whether their immunization schedules are achieving their desired goals.

[longtimereader]

3. "In nature", humans never sit in front of glowing screens, drink coke or chlorinated their water. The "it's not natural" argument is meaningless.

All of those things are bad too. Are you going to argue all of the above is good? It all ads up

[el numero uno]

Hepatitis B Vaccine Linked to Onset of Diabetes

https://www.webmd.com/diabetes/news/20000613/hepatitis-b-vaccine-linked-to-onset-of-diabetes#1

Vaccines can have unpredictable effects on the immune system, don't be foolish to think we know everything. look at how many medications, including vaccines have been recalled, even decades after hitting the market due to safety concerns that were missed at first

Do you actually understand what correlation is?

"Linked", "correlated", etc, doesn't mean x causes y. It means (if r is positive) that as x increases, y also increases (an increase of 1 SD in x equals an increase of 1 SD times r in y.
But there are confounding variables in pretty much every study!

I'm not saying that correlation is useless, I'm saying we need to be cautious in the conclusions we make.

[longtimereader]

Do you actually understand what correlation is?

"Linked", "correlated", etc, doesn't mean x causes y. It means (if r is positive) that as x increases, y also increases (an increase of 1 SD in x equals an increase of 1 SD times r in y.
But there are confounding variables in pretty much every study!

I'm not saying that correlation is useless, I'm saying we need to be cautious in the conclusions we make.

I agree, but this sort of stuff definitely got me thinking. Vaccines are not as safe and innocent as most would think. Is it not a surprise that those who avoid vaccination happen to be highly educated and of higher socio-economic classes. Those who can think for themselves don't blindly follow the CDC

I'm glad I live in a state that allows for philosophical exemptions. Both parents just have to sign a form.

[el numero uno]

All of those things are bad too. Are you going to argue all of the above is good? It all ads up

Ads up to what? Cancer?

So maybe it's not the vaccines, maybe it's the processed meat, maybe it's the wi-fi, maybe it's the presticide residue in food, maybe it's the carbonated drinks, maybe it's the sugar, maybe it's the GMO ingredients in food.

The list is endless, therefore "it's not natural" is not a good argument.

[longtimereader]

Ads up to what? Cancer?

The list is endless, therefore "it's not natural" is not a good argument.

Yea all that ads up to leading cause of death, heart disease #1, cancer #2 but it does not add up to cause #3 medical errors:

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/news/media/releases/study_suggests_medical_errors_now_third_leading_cause_of_death_in_the_us

You have a much greater change of dying as a result of a medical error than any of the diseases we vaccinate against.

The Johns Hopkins team says the CDC’s way of collecting national health statistics fails to classify medical errors separately on the death certificate. The researchers are advocating for updated criteria for classifying deaths on death certificates.

Wonder why the CDC wants to hide this, they said they would make changes but so far nothing.

[longtimereader]

The same CDC you trust for your vaccine safety data is the same CDC that is hiding medical error deaths. 2016 John Hopkins study finds

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28186008

Recent studies of medical errors have estimated errors may account for as many as 251,000 deaths annually in the United States

[longtimereader]

The CDC you trust failed to follow Ethic codes and did not disclose/investigate conflict of interests on vaccine advisory committees. The committees that create the vaccine schedule are full of people tied to big pharma, it is no wonder why USA recommends the most vaccines in the world:

https://oig.hhs.gov/oei/reports/oei-04-07-00260.pdf

Department of Health and Human Services
OFFICE OF INSPECTOR GENERAL

We found that CDC had a systemic lack of oversight of the ethics program
for SGEs. That is, CDC and its SGEs did not comply with ethics
requirements in 2007.

For almost all special Government employees, CDC did not ensure
that financial disclosure forms were complete in 2007.

CDC did not identify or resolve potential conflicts of interest for
64 percent of special Government employees in 2007.

CDC did not ensure that 41 percent of special Government employees
received required ethics training in 2007

Fifteen percent of special Government employees did not comply with
ethics requirements during committee meetings in 2007.

[longtimereader]

This isn't some conspiracy theory, this is straight from the OFFICE OF INSPECTOR GENERAL

Big pharma is creating your vaccine schedule, with 1 thing in mind. profits.

former Head of CDC is now working at Pfizer, lets see how many Pfizer vaccines are recommended in the near future by the CDC

[el numero uno]

Infant mortality rates regressed against number of vaccine doses routinely given: Is there a biochemical or synergistic toxicity?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3170075/



The US childhood immunization schedule requires 26 (now it's 33) vaccine doses for infants aged less than 1 year, the most in the world, yet 33 nations have better IMRs. Using linear regression, the immunization schedules of these 34 nations were examined and a correlation coefficient of 0.70 (p < 0.0001) was found between IMRs and the number of vaccine doses routinely given to infants. When nations were grouped into five different vaccine dose ranges (12–14, 15–17, 18–20, 21–23, and 24–26), 98.3% of the total variance in IMR was explained by the unweighted linear regression model. These findings demonstrate a counter-intuitive relationship: nations that require more vaccine doses tend to have higher infant mortality rates.

Efforts to reduce the relatively high US IMR have been elusive. Finding ways to lower preterm birth rates should be a high priority. However, preventing premature births is just a partial solution to reduce infant deaths. A closer inspection of correlations between vaccine doses, biochemical or synergistic toxicity, and IMRs, is essential. All nations—rich and poor, advanced and developing—have an obligation to determine whether their immunization schedules are achieving their desired goals.

Then the argument should not be "vaccination is bad" (I know you didn't say that, but most anti-vaxxers do), the argument should be "too much vaccination is bad".

This of course, when you assume the conclusions of the study are true.



I personally suspect this is a case of ecological correlation. Using rates and averages for computing r inflates the result, since you eliminate the spread among individuals.

http://wiki.math.yorku.ca/index.php/Statistics:_Ecological_correlation

[longtimereader]

Then the argument should not be "vaccination is bad" (I know you didn't say that, but most anti-vaxxers do), the argument should be "too much vaccination is bad".

This of course, when you assume the conclusions of the study are true.



I personally suspect this is a case of ecological correlation. Using rates and averages for computing r inflates the result, since you eliminate the spread among individuals.

http://wiki.math.yorku.ca/index.php/Statistics:_Ecological_correlation

The CDC schedule is all or nothing.

I feel some vaccines are ok but philosophical  exemption requires to decline all vaccines and not pick and choose.

I have a feeling we might vaccinate our child when he's a few years old and critical early development is complete but idk, need more research lol

[el numero uno]

The CDC schedule is all or nothing.

I feel some vaccines are ok but philosophical  exemption requires to decline all vaccines and not pick and choose.

I have a feeling we might vaccinate our child when he's a few years old and critical early development is complete but idk, need more research lol

I have the feeling that most medical studies are crap.

1. Most conditions are multifactorial. When I read "ham causes cancer" I just stop.

2. Most doctors suck at mathematics. They may be highly intelligent, but math is just not their strong point.

3. P-hacking.

4. Something being statiscally significant doesn't mean that it has practical results.

I may be wrong, it's just what I feel about this.


Why do I think vaccines work? Look at the number of cases before and after vaccination was introduced. The trend is the same for every single country.

[longtimereader]

Why do I think vaccines work? Look at the number of cases before and after vaccination was introduced. The trend is the same for every single one.

Vaccines work, that's a fact. *except for flu vaccine, its crap at under 40% efficacy. I hope every one gets vaccinated. The $1 we pay per dose for injury is far less than we would pay to heal those that get sick without vaccination. But vaccines are not perfect and are less safe and effective than we are led to believe and I strongly feel that those who do not want vaccines should not be forced by the government to get them.

Maybe I would agree with "Anti Vaxxres should be arrested" if we got rid of the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act, and if my child gets injured as a result of the vaccine, the doctor and the pharm company are personally liable. Doc's hands would be shaking when giving vaccines if this was the case.

For my child I feel like the risks of vaccines out weigh the benefits he would receive, I'd rather take the passive risk of not vaccinating than the active risk of vaccinating. I'll let him take advantage of herd immunity for vaccines that offer it.

[longtimereader]

Why do I think vaccines work? Look at the number of cases before and after vaccination was introduced. The trend is the same for every single country.

Just messing with you but does this apply to your stats and charts?

"Linked", "correlated", etc, doesn't mean x causes y. It means (if r is positive) that as x increases, y also increases (an increase of 1 SD in x equals an increase of 1 SD times r in y.
But there are confounding variables in pretty much every study!

I personally suspect this is a case of ecological correlation. Using rates and averages for computing r inflates the result, since you eliminate the spread among individuals.

http://wiki.math.yorku.ca/index.php/Statistics:_Ecological_correlation

[el numero uno]

Just messing with you but does this apply to your stats and charts?

"Linked", "correlated", etc, doesn't mean x causes y. It means (if r is positive) that as x increases, y also increases (an increase of 1 SD in x equals an increase of 1 SD times r in y.
But there are confounding variables in pretty much every study!

This is not a scatterplot, no correlation is mentioned here.

I personally suspect this is a case of ecological correlation. Using rates and averages for computing r inflates the result, since you eliminate the spread among individuals.

http://wiki.math.yorku.ca/index.php/Statistics:_Ecological_correlation

Same as above.

To be fair, you could argue that there are more factors that have played a role in the decrease of number of cases of measles, and while I totally agree with that, it seems to me vaccination is by far the strongest factor.

[cart@@n]

People should be free to refuse the administration of chemicals into their bodies and invasive procedures.

The man in his speechs links vaccines with population reduction several times:

How can vaccines reduce population?

1 - Kill people instantly.
2 - Reduce life expectancy.
3 - Reduce fertility.
4 - Sterilize people.

[longtimereader]

To be fair, you could argue that there are more factors that have played a role in the decrease of number of cases of measles, and while I totally agree with that, it seems to me vaccination is by far the strongest factor.

Here is another interesting argument regarding preventing potential illness as vaccines do.

Right now my child has a very low chance of getting any vaccine preventable disease, lets say far less than 1%.

But my child has a 7% lifetime chance of getting appendicitis which is responsible for over 300,000 hospitalizations and surgeries yearly in the USA.

Should I get a preventative appendectomy for my child, the surgery is very safe and lets say I can afford it. Why not "immunize" him from appendicitis?

[el numero uno]

People should be free to refuse the administration of chemicals into their bodies and invasive procedures.

@02:37

Yes, you should be free to refuse to be vaccinated (as an adult). But if you turn yourself into a walking focus of infection, then you should be face the legal consequences!!!

How can vaccines reduce population?

1 - Kill people instantly.
2 - Reduce life expectancy.
3 - Reduce fertility.
4 - Sterilize people.

The world populations has increased all these years.

[longtimereader]

Yes, you should be free to refuse to be vaccinated (as an adult). But if you turn yourself into a walking focus of infection, then you should be face the legal consequences!!!

Spread any of these = 5 years min, we'd all be in jail

Adenovirus
Bronchiolitis
Campylobacter Infections
Cat Scratch Disease
Cellulitis
Chickenpox
Chlamydia
Cold Sores
Colds
Coxsackievirus Infections
Croup
Cytomegalovirus (CMV)
Dengue Fever
Diphtheria
E. Coli
Ebola
Encephalitis
Fevers
Fifth Disease
Food Poisoning
Genital Herpes
Genital Warts (HPV)
Gonorrhea
HIV and AIDS
Hand, Foot, and Mouth Disease
Helicobacter pylori
Hepatitis
Hepatitis A
Hepatitis B
Hepatitis C
Hib Disease (Haemophilus Influenzae Type b)
How to Take Your Child's Temperature
Impetigo
Infant Botulism
Infections That Pets Carry
Listeria Infections
Lyme Disease
MRSA
Measles
Meningitis
Middle Ear Infections
Mononucleosis
Mumps
Osteomyelitis
Peritonsillar Abscess
Pinkeye (Conjunctivitis)
Polio
PrEP (Pre-Exposure Prophylaxis)
Rabies
Recurrent Urinary Tract Infections and Related Conditions
Respiratory Syncytial Virus
Reye Syndrome
Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever
Roseola
Rotavirus
Rubella (German Measles)
Salmonella Infections
Scarlet Fever
Shigella Infections (Shigellosis)
Shingles
Sinusitis
Smallpox
Staph Infections
Strep Throat
Swimmer's Ear (Otitis Externa)
Syphilis
Talking to Your Kids About STDs
Tetanus
The Flu (Influenza)
Tonsillitis
Toxic Shock Syndrome
Toxic Synovitis
Tuberculosis
Urinary Tract Infections
Warts
West Nile Virus
What Is "PANS"?
What Is Powassan Virus?
When and Where to Get Medical Care
Whooping Cough (Pertussis)
Yersiniosis

[Primemuscle]

I'm not going to get into the argument of pro or anti vaccine. The problem is when the propaganda
Surrounding vaccines becomes the vaccine should be mandatory. Who really trusts the govt should be giving up everyone shots? What could go wrong?

Does the government give everyone vaccinations? I did not know that. For some reason, I thought doctors and now pharmacies did this.