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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Sir Bigness on April 29, 2019, 10:25:48 PM
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What's your guy's opinion on the pro's having "secrets" for muscle mass?? Besides the juice,, is their any?? I mean you,, eat a lot,, lift things up and put them down,, and rest!! And of course doses and calorie manipulations,, are their secrets??
I heard McCarver took way more then he needed to for nothing!!
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GENETICS
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-Eat 1.5 grams of protein for every pound of body weight every single day for five years.
-Train with weights five out of seven days every week for five years.
-Use anabolic steroids consistently at moderate dosages for five years.
Abracadabra! You will be a big guy.
You can thank me later cupcake.
PS. I'll be signing autographs and kissing babies tomorrow at Carl's Jr. around noon, or whenever I wake up.
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Receptor genetics of peace.
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What's your guy's opinion on the pro's having "secrets" for muscle mass?? Besides the juice,, is their any?? I mean you,, eat a lot,, lift things up and put them down,, and rest!! And of course doses and calorie manipulations,, are their secrets??
I heard McCarver took way more then he needed to for nothing!!
If you know what Dallas was doing, or any other pro.. you would not be asking for “secrets” on getbig
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They like to make themselves believe that they are so hardcore and determined when in fact it‘s nothing but genetics. Athletics-wise, bodybuilding is one of the easiest sports out there. There are no secrets or does anyone here think a bunch of guys prancing around on stage, all oiled up and g-stringed, are able to keep such a secret for long?
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eat big to get big read this book and the 45 degree incline db curl.
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-Eat 1.5 grams of protein for every pound of body weight every single day for five years.
-Train with weights five out of seven days every week for five years.
-Use anabolic steroids consistently at moderate dosages for five years.
Abracadabra! You will be a big guy.
You can thank me later cupcake.
PS. I'll be signing autographs and kissing babies tomorrow at Carl's Jr. around noon, or whenever I wake up.
Simple and True
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there are no secrets, except maybe pick better genetically gifted parents next time... ::)
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What's your guy's opinion on the pro's having "secrets" for muscle mass?? Besides the juice,, is their any?? I mean you,, eat a lot,, lift things up and put them down,, and rest!! And of course doses and calorie manipulations,, are their secrets??
I heard McCarver took way more then he needed to for nothing!!
Genetics and Drugs
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Genetics and Drugs
Yes, training and diet have nothing to do with it.
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eat big to get big read this book and the 45 degree incline db curl.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=653640.0;attach=774460;image)
The hidden secret: Train in moccasins.
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Rare genetics , time and consistency ( train + diet )
Some algo need insane abuse of drugs, this is the ones that dies eventually.
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Yes, training and diet have nothing to do with it.
Well, Ronnie Coleman was a beast before his first cycle. Was he eating like a Pro back then? On the other hand, you look average, Coach.
Has the TRT or a slightly above TRT look, although goes to Golds Venice every day, hang with the Pros, claim to be on the inner circle, and still looks a little better than average. Maybe you dont have the structure to be around the Big Boys
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The key is the cell tech and nitro tech stack and then leading up to a show hydroxycut
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Rare genetics , time and consistency ( train + diet )
Some algo need insane abuse of drugs, this is the ones that dies eventually.
Out of all the bodybuilders in the world, pro and amateur, it's the ones that were stupid with their drug use (in the last days before a show) other than that it isn't that many who have died.
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Well, Ronnie Coleman was a beast before his first cycle. Was he eating like a Pro back then? On the other hand, you look average, Coach.
Has the TRT or a slightly above TRT look, although goes to Golds Venice every day, hang with the Pros, claim to be on the inner circle, and still looks a little better than average. Maybe you dont have the structure to be around the Big Boys
Or maybe you just don't enough to comment.
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Joe V. is a big fan of yours Coach.
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Joe V. is a big fan of yours Coach.
I am, Man. Coach is the Best. Ready to go onstage at the 212 category. First callout :)
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Joe V. is a big fan of yours Coach.
240 trolling
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240 trolling
How tall are you, Coach? 5'6 and half? You look Big :)
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How tall are you, Coach? 5'6 and half? You look Big :)
You try too hard.
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You try too hard.
Sunny Garcia is fighting for his life after a Suicide attempt, in Oregon. Send a prayer for a Real athlete, Coach :)
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Sunny Garcia is fighting for his life after a Suicide attempt, in Oregon. Send a prayer for a Real athlete, Coach :)
Get the app
https://www.surfline.com/
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Get the app
https://www.surfline.com/
Thanks, Coach. Hope he makes it, but looks like he wont. Very sad
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Thanks, Coach. Hope he makes it, but looks like he wont. Very sad
It really is sad..
https://www.surfline.com/surf-news/sunny-garcia-critical-condition/50679
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It really is sad..
https://www.surfline.com/surf-news/sunny-garcia-critical-condition/50679
49 Years Old, millionaire, Legend on his craft, 3 beautiful Kids. Depression is a severe issue. Beneath the surface lies something very complicated and intriguing. Hope the after life treat him really well :)
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Oh Shit.....I read about it. Kinda believed Sunny is hardcore enough to pull through. You guys seem to know more. Hope he does.
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Yes, training and diet have nothing to do with it. ::)
Forgot to add this to the end Joe. ( ::)).
Training, diet, genetics, drugs, recovery - all are needed.
Some people think they train hard, they don't. Some don't need to and still blow up anyways, good receptors.
If you want to gain weight, eat like you are that size you want to be (small steps), train hard, and recover/sleep properly.
Example - You weigh 200 pounds, but want to be 210, figure out maintenance calories for a 210 pounder, for your lifestyle/activity level and add them (calories) in.
Even if it takes you a year, and put on a little fat, so what, youre not going to be "Mr. O" or "Mr. Thong-Oil", etc.
For those twinks who like their abs and 30 inch waists, that is also good, stay healthy.
You want to get stronger w/out injury, do a progression and build up over time, not like the 'black cat-arched back' deadlifters of JewTube.
(5/3/1, German load progression, etc).
The stuff is very easy, modern day nimrods on Instagram and YouTube act like they invented this stuff. Bizarre...
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Forgot to add this to the end Joe. ( ::)).
Training, diet, genetics, drugs, recovery - all are needed.
Some people think they train hard, they don't. Some don't need to and still blow up anyways, good receptors.
If you want to gain weight, eat like you are that size you want to be (small steps), train hard, and recover/sleep properly.
Example - You weigh 200 pounds, but want to be 210, figure out maintenance calories for a 210 pounder, for your lifestyle/activity level and add them (calories) in.
Even if it takes you a year, and put on a little fat, so what, youre not going to be "Mr. O" or "Mr. Thong-Oil", etc.
For those twinks who like their abs and 30 inch waists, that is also good, stay healthy.
You want to get stronger w/out injury, do a progression and build up over time, not like the 'black cat-arched back' deadlifters of JewTube.
(5/3/1, German load progression, etc).
The stuff is very easy, modern day nimrods on Instagram and YouTube act like they invented this stuff. Bizarre...
You know whats odd. Jason Blaha did a video while ago saying- and coming from Blaha- we really dont know if its really true-, but he said there was an actual clinical study performed at a very respectable University a few years ago that somehow proved that Males taking 250 Mgs of test a week, without going to the gym and having a poor diet made more gains in the same amount of time, while guys that were training hard, eating a moderate protein diet and proper rest. If im not mistaken, the guys were doing Pushups and maybe park training or not outdoor training. Testosterone is almost a miracle...
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Id like to read that study.
What kind of gains ??
He's an idiot tho, so he prob got it wrong.
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Id like to read that study.
What kind of gains ??
He's an idiot tho, so he prob got it wrong.
I think they gained 8 to 10 pounds of muscle during a 6 month study, something like that. Blaha has thousands of videos, will be hard to find that on this channel now
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That's not all that hard to believe. I thought he was saying like 20 -30 pounds of muscle
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Forgot to add this to the end Joe. ( ::)).
Training, diet, genetics, drugs, recovery - all are needed.
Some people think they train hard, they don't. Some don't need to and still blow up anyways, good receptors.
If you want to gain weight, eat like you are that size you want to be (small steps), train hard, and recover/sleep properly.
Example - You weigh 200 pounds, but want to be 210, figure out maintenance calories for a 210 pounder, for your lifestyle/activity level and add them (calories) in.
Even if it takes you a year, and put on a little fat, so what, youre not going to be "Mr. O" or "Mr. Thong-Oil", etc.
For those twinks who like their abs and 30 inch waists, that is also good, stay healthy.
You want to get stronger w/out injury, do a progression and build up over time, not like the 'black cat-arched back' deadlifters of JewTube.
(5/3/1, German load progression, etc).
The stuff is very easy, modern day nimrods on Instagram and YouTube act like they invented this stuff. Bizarre...
This is about the way I do it either when I prep someone for a show with the exception of I'll take their daily caloric intake THEN use that number to break it down to macros but the macros HAVE to coincide with that person's body type and then I'll write out precisely what that person needs to eat. This is (and maybe I misunderstood him) the disagreement I have with Trigili when he said that "calories don't matter that it's all in the macros, it doesn't matter if you're taking in 10k per day" this is backward thinking when you're coming down for a show.
Now, for the average person, it's almost the same way with the exception that I give a food selection from a menu that they can choose what they want to eat and see that most have busy schedules, the "rules" are looser and not regimented to a certain feeding time and is normalized to fit THEIR schedule. This is the way we do it with some 250+ online clients not including my prep clients.
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This is about the way I do it either when I prep someone for a show with the exception of I'll take their daily caloric intake THEN use that number to break it down to macros but the macros HAVE to coincide with that person's body type and then I'll write out precisely what that person needs to eat. This is (and maybe I misunderstood him) the disagreement I have with Trigili when he said that "calories don't matter that it's all in the macros, it doesn't matter if you're taking in 10k per day" this is backward thinking when you're coming down for a show.
Now, for the average person, it's almost the same way with the exception that I give a food selection from a menu that they can choose what they want to eat and see that most have busy schedules, the "rules" are looser and not regimented to a certain feeding time and is normalized to fit THEIR schedule. This is the way we do it with some 250+ online clients not including my prep clients.
How do you stay competitive , Coach, when guys like Aceto charges 300 dollars a month?
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How do you stay competitive , Coach, when guys like Aceto charges 300 dollars a month?
I think in the 90s they used to charge a loot of money, according do Ameen . Nowadays famous coachs start at 300 a month or so..
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I think in the 90s they used to charge a loot of money, according do Ameen . Nowadays famous coachs start at 300 a month or so..
Plus all the food costs, training, tanning, fees competition and gear. The guys that competes on local shows and even National shows spend waaaaaay more money than they will ever get back, its insane
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Plus all the food costs, training, tanning, fees competition and gear. The guys that competes on local shows and even National shows spend waaaaaay more money than they will ever get back, its insane
Three straight post with you answering yourself do I detect a mental problem?
But let’s just say it’s much more lucrative in building $300 websites
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I'd just hire Dylan Gemelli and slam SARMS all day.
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Three straight post with you answering yourself do I detect a mental problem?
But let’s just say it’s much more lucrative in building $300 websites
Of course!! Isn't it a normal thing with GetBiggers? Some posts 3 times in a row to himself, while others drive 80 miles a day to Golds Venice every single day just to train and see Those marvelous Pros :) Lol
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Being an above average responder - to either chemical or training - is really what separates big guys from wannabe big guys.
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Being an above average responder - to either chemical or training - is really what separates big guys from wannabe big guys.
That AND his access to pharm grade GH.
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Of course!! Isn't it a normal thing with GetBiggers? Some posts 3 times in a row to himself, while others drive 80 miles a day to Golds Venice every single day just to train and see Those marvelous Pros :) Lol
Actually, it’s shows a complete mental disorder when you have nothing to do all day but sit on a G&O board and troll in complete anonymity.
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Actually, it’s shows a complete mental disorder when you have nothing to do all day but sit on a G&O board and troll in complete anonymity.
Camon, Coach, my life's an open book :)
No criminal records, not even a traffic violation. I dont need to go to Church on sunday morning to pray and ask for forgiveness to a Christian Deity.
Do you? :)
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Camon, Coach, my life's an open book :)
No criminal records, not even a traffic violation. I dont need to go to Church on sunday morning to pray and ask for forgiveness to a Christian Deity.
Do you? :)
Nah, you’re far from an open book which is why you hide on here. Lol
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Nah, you’re far from an open book which is why you hide on here. Lol
Nah, Im proud of myself, Coach.
Old Good genetics from Europe. 5'11 and a half. Know one thing or two about self defense. Dont need no guns to compensate on being a shorty fella.
Its all good :)
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Nah, Im proud of myself, Coach.
Old Good genetics from Europe. 5'11 and a half. Know one thing or two about self defense. Dont need no guns to compensate on being a shorty fella.
Its all good :)
Never had problem being short.
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I think they gained 8 to 10 pounds of muscle during a 6 month study, something like that. Blaha has thousands of videos, will be hard to find that on this channel now
There are a bunch of similar studies, not sure which he looked at, but the first I'll link is considered the big one in the medical world -
1 https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199607043350101 .
The Effects of Supraphysiologic Doses of Testosterone on Muscle Size and Strength in Normal Men .
2 https://www.physiology.org/doi/full/10.1152/ajpendo.2001.281.6.E1172 .
Testosterone dose response relationships in healthy young men .
3 https://academic.oup.com/jcem/article/82/2/407/2823214 .
Testosterone Replacement Increases Fat Free Mass and Muscle Size in Hypogonadal Men .
(low test males sat around on just 100mgs of test, and still almost gained 12lbs of lbm with no training.)
4) https://www.docdroid.net/FyIWKJb/forbes1985.pdf .
The Effect of Anabolic Steroids on Lean Body Mass: The Dose Response Curve by Gilbert B Forbes.
(Just an old paper confirming that big, long, heavy cycles are where it's at for muscle gain.)
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There are a bunch of similar studies, not sure which he looked at, but the first I'll link is considered the big one in the medical world -
1 https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199607043350101 .
The Effects of Supraphysiologic Doses of Testosterone on Muscle Size and Strength in Normal Men .
2 https://www.physiology.org/doi/full/10.1152/ajpendo.2001.281.6.E1172 .
Testosterone dose response relationships in healthy young men .
3 https://academic.oup.com/jcem/article/82/2/407/2823214 .
Testosterone Replacement Increases Fat Free Mass and Muscle Size in Hypogonadal Men .
(low test males sat around on just 100mgs of test, and still almost gained 12lbs of lbm with no training.)
4) https://www.docdroid.net/FyIWKJb/forbes1985.pdf .
The Effect of Anabolic Steroids on Lean Body Mass: The Dose Response Curve by Gilbert B Forbes.
(Just an old paper confirming that big, long, heavy cycles are where it's at for muscle gain.)
Testosterone should be available over the counter. 12 pounds of muscle without serious training and diet. Imagine them being on a 12 week cycle of cyp with with moderate protein and proper training and Rest.
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There are no secrets to mass. We all know what the formula is by now.
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-Eat 1.5 grams of protein for every pound of body weight every single day for five years.
-Train with weights five out of seven days every week for five years.
-Use anabolic steroids consistently at moderate dosages for five years.
Abracadabra! You will be a big guy.
You can thank me later cupcake.
PS. I'll be signing autographs and kissing babies tomorrow at Carl's Jr. around noon, or whenever I wake up.
so simple
getting cut up is much different - it is all mind over matter/will power.
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There are no secrets to mass. We all know what the formula is by now.
Yes, no food or training just drugs
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Id like to read that study.
What kind of gains ??
He's an idiot tho, so he prob got it wrong.
So would I. I would believe someone w/ clinically low (crashed) test levels could benefit (gain weight) from 250 a week of test.
Their body was currently wasting, so of course one could gain. (And this is just a guess of course). Also, have they been training along time and maxed out naturally? I would guess not.
But healthy training males, with "in range" test levels, who have trained for a long time, I'm not buying it. (Again, there are hyper responder's out there).
Maybe Im not one of them, though I only am on TRT (100 to 125 mg. a week) and of course gained zero weight or strength on that. Remember, Ive been training since 1978 and was natty for 38 years before going on TRT 2.5 years ago. I think it may help with "not gaining weight" (fat) for me, but not putting on size or strength. You know studies, they show one thing, a week later the opposite. Im also 53 soon, so gaining muscle is probably a thing of the past, where a young responder may gain on 125 a week. (Not if they are at natty maximum potential though I would think).
Blaha ::)
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Yes, no food or training just drugs
The question was about secrets. It‘s no secret that food and training are required for gaining muscle mass.
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Never had problem being short.
I see this quite a lot it’s the taller men that often have the mental problems
With shorter men, most short men just get on with their lives no thought
Given to height. Clearly he’s a tall man with issues.
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I see this quite a lot it’s the taller men that often have the mental problems
With shorter men, most short men just get on with their lives no thought
Given to height. Clearly he’s a tall man with issues.
It’s almost like they have the insecurities
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Natty? Consume lots of animal saturated fats and cholesterol.
Not Natty? Drugs.
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Sunny Garcia is fighting for his life after a Suicide attempt, in Oregon. Send a prayer for a Real athlete, Coach :)
If he committed suicide why fight for his life when earlier he was trying to take it?Should just give in and die,No?Just sounds weird to me “fighting for his life after a suicide attempt”If you want to kill yourself then do it and do it right don’t half ass it looking for attention.Just my .02.
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The question was about secrets. It‘s no secret that food and training are required for gaining muscle mass.
Exactly.....
Genetics and drugs are 1, and 2. Training and food are 50/50, not getting into specifics
Out of all those 250+ clients that coach has trained, which ones turned pro and are big names in the industry? Curious to know
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Exactly.....
Genetics and drugs are 1, and 2. Training and food are 50/50, not getting into specifics
Out of all those 250+ clients that coach has trained, which ones turned pro and are big names in the industry? Curious to know
those 250 + come from the general public. I choose to only have 25-30 for contest prep ranging from local, state and national shows. I have 3 pros.
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If he committed suicide why fight for his life when earlier he was trying to take it?Should just give in and die,No?Just sounds weird to me “fighting for his life after a suicide attempt”If you want to kill yourself then do it and do it right don’t half ass it looking for attention.Just my .02.
Though its kinda of Harsh what you say it's also true - don't make much sense
I'll want to kill my self for whatever reason & if i don't quite die I'll fight for my Life when they try to keep me alive ::)
As you say a lot of Times it's Weird cry for Help / Attention.
No I'm not being horrible as I've got a close family member playing those sort of fucked up head games continually
and it's caused havoc to many around her.
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those 250 + come from the general public. I choose to only have 25-30 for contest prep ranging from local, state and national shows. I have 3 pros.
3 Pros, Coach? Are you able to name names?
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Id like to read that study.
What kind of gains ??
He's an idiot tho, so he prob got it wrong.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199607043350101#t=articleResults (https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199607043350101#t=articleResults)
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Yes, no food or training just drugs
Well- the no food comment is a joke- I laughed. But just drugs? Yeah, that alone works too:
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199607043350101#t=articleResults
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Well- the no food comment is a joke- I laughed. But just drugs? Yeah, that alone works too:
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199607043350101#t=articleResults
LOL thats I kind of like Bostin. He never had a problem stating that Drugs is what makes a professional BBuilder.
Gnetics are very important, as well food, training and Rest, but you look at those Pros 1 year apart Pics, and see how they put 25 pounds of solid Muscle and realizes at that point was only about Drugs.
Somehow, some Coachs think people live in the La La Land, and believe that increasing Protein from 2 to 2.5 grams a day would make all the difference. Bodybuilding at Professional Levels are Drugs, period!!!
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LOL thats I kind of like Bostin. He never had a problem stating that Drugs is what makes a professional BBuilder.
Gnetics are very important, as well food, training and Rest, but you look at those Pros 1 year apart Pics, and see how they put 25 pounds of solid Muscle and realizes at that point was only about Drugs.
Somehow, some Coachs think people live in the La La Land, and believe that increasing Protein from 2 to 2.5 grams a day would make all the difference. Bodybuilding at Professional Levels are Drugs, period!!!
The drugs obviously make all the difference between being an average muscular guy and being a big bodybuilder. Why do some people continue to lie about it? The most commonly used lie, btw, is that "drugs are just a part of it". The sin, by omission, is how big a part of it it really is ;D
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Natty? Consume lots of animal saturated fats and cholesterol.
It worked for Oprah.
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Though its kinda of Harsh what you say it's also true - don't make much sense
I'll want to kill my self for whatever reason & if i don't quite die I'll fight for my Life when they try to keep me alive ::)
As you say a lot of Times it's Weird cry for Help / Attention.
No I'm not being horrible as I've got a close family member playing those sort of fucked up head games continually
and it's caused havoc to many around her.
He was fighting to stay alive, even against his wishes.
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Drugs can make you huge, muscular, and strong but to win top bodybuilding contests you need good aesthetics (structure, proper muscle attachments, discipline for training and diet, etc.)
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The drugs obviously make all the difference between being an average muscular guy and being a big bodybuilder. Why do some people continue to lie about it? The most commonly used li, btw, is that "drugs are just a part of it". The sin, by omission, is how big a part of it it really is ;D
Remember those Black and White 1 year apart from Dorian Yates, back in the day, on that Flex Magazine issue? lol
How come all of the sudden, a Top Pro, that knows the whole nine yards, made all that gains?
He didn't change the training style. Of course was something on his chemical arsenal at that point.
Maybe one will say that he switched Chicken to Turkey or added Glutamine on the mix! LOL
Camon....
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Drugs can make you huge, muscular, and strong but to win top bodybuilding contests you need good aesthetics (structure, proper muscle attachments, discipline for training and diet, etc.)
The Anabolic Chicken Camp will beg to diffet
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The Anabolic Chicken Camp will beg to diffet
;D
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Think there were studies done back in the 90s that showed taking test and lying on the cooch built more muscle than natural training and diet.
In my personal experience training hard + 250-300mgs of test a week while eating like shit completely obliterated the results from training hard and eating bodybuilding style diet but being natural. If imagine at higher doses the difference is even more pronounced
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Drugs can make you huge, muscular, and strong but to win top bodybuilding contests you need good aesthetics (structure, proper muscle attachments, discipline for training and diet, etc.)
Ronnie got away with a lot of the dieting cause of genetics and drugs
Prior to 98, what do you think he did different to win the O in 98? Yep, he admitted he contacted flex wheeler and Kevin, and they told him the secret “cocktails” came straight from his mouth
Branch won multiple Arnold classics, and finished runner up at the O, yes “hard work” he was also genetically “inferior” compared to others
Bottom line you don’t need structure, muscle attachments and all that you named to win shows and be a top pro, depends on judging and criteria also to an extent
In the end genetics + drugs, then the rest follows
Look how pros train, no secret, from Levrone, dexter, Ronnie, etc.....
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Think there were studies done back in the 90s that showed taking test and lying on the cooch built more muscle than natural training and diet.
In my personal experience training hard + 250-300mgs of test a week while eating like shit completely obliterated the results from training hard and eating bodybuilding style diet but being natural. If imagine at higher doses the difference is even more pronounced
Exactly mate!! You get it
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Ronnie got away with a lot of the dieting cause of genetics and drugs
Prior to 98, what do you think he did different to win the O in 98? Yep, he admitted he contacted flex wheeler and Kevin, and they told him the secret “cocktails” came straight from his mouth
Branch won multiple Arnold classics, and finished runner up at the O, yes “hard work” he was also genetically “inferior” compared to others
Bottom line you don’t need structure, muscle attachments and all that you named to win shows and be a top pro, depends on judging and criteria also to an extent
In the end genetics + drugs, then the rest follows
Look how pros train, no secret, from Levrone, dexter, Ronnie, etc.....
EXACTLY...but the magazine era would have never /ever existed with the TRUTH....what an empire..
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A guy on a good cycle could sit around, lift no weights and still build muscle.
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So would I. I would believe someone w/ clinically low (crashed) test levels could benefit (gain weight) from 250 a week of test.
Their body was currently wasting, so of course one could gain. (And this is just a guess of course). Also, have they been training along time and maxed out naturally? I would guess not.
But healthy training males, with "in range" test levels, who have trained for a long time, I'm not buying it. (Again, there are hyper responder's out there).
Maybe Im not one of them, though I only am on TRT (100 to 125 mg. a week) and of course gained zero weight or strength on that. Remember, Ive been training since 1978 and was natty for 38 years before going on TRT 2.5 years ago. I think it may help with "not gaining weight" (fat) for me, but not putting on size or strength. You know studies, they show one thing, a week later the opposite. Im also 53 soon, so gaining muscle is probably a thing of the past, where a young responder may gain on 125 a week. (Not if they are at natty maximum potential though I would think).
Blaha ::)
250mg test/week is quite significant IMO. Combine that with a decent diet (ie: enough protein and not too many calories) and a decent training regimen and the results can be very good.
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A guy on a good cycle could sit around, lift no weights and still build muscle.
He can maintain unless he had some muscle wasting illness. Muscle still needs to be overloaded to grow whether you're on gear or not.
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He can maintain unless he had some muscle wasting illness. Muscle still needs to be overloaded to grow whether you're on gear or not.
No, it doesn't. You didn’t even bother to read the peer reviewed research link posted here in direct response to one of your comments. People grew in muscle mass without lifting at all. More so than test subjects who worked out but were natural.
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No, it doesn't. You didn’t even bother to read the peer reviewed research link posted here in direct response to one of your comments. People grew in muscle mass without lifting at all. More so than test subjects who worked out but were natural.
I just did and appreciate the findings but real quick, you still need an outside stimulus to get the maximum amount of hypertrophy, strength and development. It's an absolute given that you're going to gain some hypertrophy being on 600mg without doing anything but let's not make the conclusion that you don't have to train. You do and this is also a given.
BTW, I'm not disputing the findings.
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I just did and appreciate the findings but real quick, you still need an outside stimulus to get the maximum amount of hypertrophy, strength and development. It's an absolute given that you're going to gain some hypertrophy being on 600mg without doing anything but let's not make the conclusion that you don't have to train. You do and this is also a given.
BTW, I'm not disputing the findings.
Yes, the study confirmed that steroids plus training gave the biggest gain. And it clearly showed no training whatsoever results in strength increases and hypertrophy at that dose. In fact the gain in muscle mass exceeded what a natural could attain by training. To me that is an interesting takeaway- the drugs work even if you don’t. This is not an unusual finding. EPO boosts red blood cell count even if you don’t aerobically exercise. I know a guy who hardly trained on a bike yet using EPO I, even well trained, could barely stay with him. When he was off I was far stronger, naturally.
I truly don’t have a problem with people taking steroids. Yes, they are controlled substances now and non-therapeutic uses are illegal. But then even ephedrine is controlled now, lol.
What has been alluded to for many years is that steroids are a small part of the muscle mass equation. Research shows that is not true- they are a big part. That’s why bodybuilders take them. No one is saying lifting weights isn’t required to be a top bodybuilder. But take the PEDs away and they all would shrink, even while training.
Wouldn’t you agree?
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Yes, the study confirmed that steroids plus training gave the biggest gain. And it clearly showed no training whatsoever results in strength increases and hypertrophy at that dose. In fact the gain in muscle mass exceeded what a natural could attain by training. To me that is an interesting takeaway- the drugs work even if you don’t. This is not an unusual finding. EPO boosts red blood cell count even if you don’t aerobically exercise. I know a guy who hardly trained on a bike yet using EPO I, even well trained, could barely stay with him. When he was off I was far stronger, naturally.
I truly don’t have a problem with people taking steroids. Yes, they are controlled substances now and non-therapeutic uses are illegal. But then even ephedrine is controlled now, lol.
What has been alluded to for many years is that steroids are a small part of the muscle mass equation. Research shows that is not true- they are a big part. That’s why bodybuilders take them. No one is saying lifting weights isn’t required to be a top bodybuilder. But take the PEDs away and they all would shrink, even while training.
Wouldn’t you agree?
Absolutely.
The effect of the drugs is incredible,
No drugs...no Arnold...no Yates.
If anabolic drugs did not exist the top bodybuilder would be an entirely different cast of characters. The top guys would be the ones with truly natural high test levels.
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Yes I also believe some pro's are lazy AF and rely on genetics and PED's but what about the food etc?? And do they use supp's vitamins etc that sponsor them or is it just bullshit??
I think some supp's are decent and work but 95% are bullshit!! I saw the posts with Cutler and Heath in labs coats.. how stupid!! I'm surprised Cutler would have done that but looks early in his career so probably still trying to make it,, but as for Heath,, what a goof!! I hate that guy's attitude!! Way too cocky and self centered!! Cry baby fuck!!
Ok,, I need a calm down break! But I really don't like that guy!!
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Yes, the study confirmed that steroids plus training gave the biggest gain. And it clearly showed no training whatsoever results in strength increases and hypertrophy at that dose. In fact the gain in muscle mass exceeded what a natural could attain by training. To me that is an interesting takeaway- the drugs work even if you don’t. This is not an unusual finding. EPO boosts red blood cell count even if you don’t aerobically exercise. I know a guy who hardly trained on a bike yet using EPO I, even well trained, could barely stay with him. When he was off I was far stronger, naturally.
I truly don’t have a problem with people taking steroids. Yes, they are controlled substances now and non-therapeutic uses are illegal. But then even ephedrine is controlled now, lol.
What has been alluded to for many years is that steroids are a small part of the muscle mass equation. Research shows that is not true- they are a big part. That’s why bodybuilders take them. No one is saying lifting weights isn’t required to be a top bodybuilder. But take the PEDs away and they all would shrink, even while training.
Wouldn’t you agree?
Very good post!
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So basically if you want to just have a nice beach body you could take a moderate dose of test and hit the gym maybe once a week for a 1-2 hour full body workout? Sounds like a pretty good deal!
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So basically if you want to just have a nice beach body you could take a moderate dose of test and hit the gym maybe once a week for a 1-2 hour full body workout? Sounds like a pretty good deal!
2-400mg test wk + 200mg EQ wk + 1/2ml Arimidex EOD would get you the results you want. Safe and effective. EQ does work better when you’re leaner
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2-400mg test wk + 200mg EQ wk + 1/2ml Arimidex EOD would get you the results you want. Safe and effective. EQ does work better when you’re leaner
All that , Coach? Seriously?
By the way, I noticed from the "Fap Pic' that your forearms are big, but your arms look really small. Not even 20 inches, Coach
Mike Z was 5'11 with a 22' at contest day. Need to work harder on that, Coach.
I guess you could say bye bye to the $300 check for the symmetry round! LOOOL
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I see this quite a lot it’s the taller men that often have the mental problems
With shorter men, most short men just get on with their lives no thought
Given to height. Clearly he’s a tall man with issues.
True, it seems many tall men think being tall is an accomplishment and point it out to everyone they meet.
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All that , Coach? Seriously?
By the way, I noticed from the "Fap Pic' that your forearms are big, but your arms look really small. Not even 20 inches, Coach
Mike Z was 5'11 with a 22' at contest day. Need to work harder on that, Coach.
I guess you could say bye bye to the $300 check for the symmetry round! LOOOL
This post alone tells me you don’t anything..lol
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True, it seems many tall men think being tall is an accomplishment and point it out to everyone they meet.
You can always grow larger, cut it out!
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You can always grow larger, cut it out!
Dude, everyone thinks you’re a mental case. I’ve been pointing that out
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Dude, everyone thinks you’re a mental case. I’ve been pointing that out
Coach, youre that angry just because you know that youll never turn Pro?
You can always win the Cali Fairground contest or the Ruby Classic, which you should enter, btw :)
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+ 1/2ml Arimidex EOD
+1/2mgArmidex EOD
Here's a shameless re-direct that I'm going post at the end of all my posts for the rest of my life.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=653730.0
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+1/2mgArmidex EOD
Here's a shameless re-direct that I'm going post at the end of all my posts for the rest of my life.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=653730.0
Daaaamn! And yet he thinks he know it all about supps. What a dork! lol
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+1/2mgArmidex EOD
Here's a shameless re-direct that I'm going post at the end of all my posts for the rest of my life.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=653730.0
ooooohh, excuse me!! ml
If you're going to call me out over a mistake (a letter) let me know when you're ready to debate the subject. Are you ready? We'll leave Valentino out of this, he doesn't know an aspirin from a tic tac
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He can maintain unless he had some muscle wasting illness. Muscle still needs to be overloaded to grow whether you're on gear or not.
that's what john grimek said way back when.
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ooooohh, excuse me!! ml
If you're going to call me out over a mistake (a letter) let me know when you're ready to debate the subject. Are you ready? We'll leave Valentino out of this, he doesn't know an aspirin from a tic tac
Coach, your reverse Psychologic dosent work anymore. At this point, everyone in here knows that that I know about Bodybuilding, whether you admit it or not. Youre just an Old poster that will never turn Pro (whatever that means) despite been chasing this dream for 40 years.
Some people here also thinks risking health for a plastic trophy and NO money is a no brainer. But you keep searching your Glory, which is fine, to each its own, but your undervalue about me dosent make you a bigger or taller Man, quite the contrary, just go to show that Bodybuilding is filled with miserable people that thinks "Bigger is always Better". Very sad coming from a 57 years old Man
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Coach, your reverse Psychologic dosent work anymore. At this point, everyone in here knows that that I know about Bodybuilding, whether you admit it or not. Youre just an Old poster that will never turn Pro (whatever that means) despite been chasing this dream for 40 years.
Some people here also thinks risking health for a plastic trophy and NO money is a no brainer. But you keep searching your Glory, which is fine, to each its own, but your undervalue about me dosent make you a bigger or taller Man, quite the contrary, just go to show that Bodybuilding is filled with miserable people that thinks "Bigger is always Better". Very sad coming from a 57 years old Man
Can't be reverse psychology when I'm stating facts. You're fucked in the head...lol
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Can't be reverse psychology when I'm stating facts. You're fucked in the head...lol
Yep, youre right, Coach.
I woke up, did cardio, went to the gym, had my only Meal, and thats its.
On the other hand, you woke up, had God knows what supps, God knows what fart powders, God Knows how many macro calculated meals by now!, and its only 3 PM, and last but definitely not least , took the interstate from Hun Beach to Venice, spent god knows how many hours training, posing, taking pics, chit chatting with THE PROOOOS about the secrets of the 'SPORT" and came down from your manic phase of relevant Bodybuilder.
If you ask anybody outside this board, I guarantee you that 100% will say whos fucked in the head, but here your gym bag holders acts like youre Mr. USA. LOOOOOL
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Yep, youre right, Coach.
I woke up, did cardio, went to the gym, had my only Meal, and thats its.
On the other hand, you woke up, had God knows what supps, God knows what fart powders, God Knows how many macro calculated meals by now!, and its only 3 PM, and last but definitely not least , took the interstate from Hun Beach to Venice, spent god knows how many hours training, posing, taking pics, chit chatting with THE PROOOOS about the secrets of the 'SPORT" and came down from your manic phase of relevant Bodybuilder.
If you ask anybody outside this board, I guarantee you that 100% will say whos fucked in the head, but here your gym bag holders acts like youre Mr. USA. LOOOOOL
Dude, you’re so far out of your league which is why I say you’re mental. No, you didn’t go to the gym. You’ve been on here posting and trolling since about 3am your time non stop. lol
God you’re stupid...lol
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Dude, you’re so far out of your league which is why I say you’re mental. No, you didn’t go to the gym. You’ve been on here posting and trolling since about 3am your time non stop. lol
God you’re stupid...lol
Nope, Coach. I went and did Back and Tris, had a greeeat natty workout.
By the way, are you practicing your quarter turns?? LOOOOOOOOL
Youre right, now im here Trolling, correct! :)
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ooooohh, excuse me!! ml
If you're going to call me out over a mistake (a letter) let me know when you're ready to debate the subject. Are you ready?
Debate you over what? it was a legitimate correction for future readers that stumble upon this thread and think that taking a half ml of some crappy UG liquid AI (which equates to how much-- God only knows) is standard protocol.
I wasn't calling you out.
Buuuuuuuuut I do happen to know a thing or two about AAS.
Here's a shameless re-direct that I'm going post at the end of all my posts for the rest of my life.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=653730.0
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Absolutely.
The effect of the drugs is incredible,
No drugs...no Arnold...no Yates.
If anabolic drugs did not exist the top bodybuilder would be an entirely different cast of characters. The top guys would be the ones with truly natural high test levels.
Exactly. When they all get off gear, they all shrink.
And good point right here:
"The top guys would be the ones with truly natural high test levels".
There are probably a few guys in the Natural fed's that are truly natty, with great/high test levels. There are some like that out there.
But most IFBB pro's would probably look like this WNBF guy:
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSthoGTHxc-FDGSLXikESl-dzahX44SyowHfLVnc4GW_E_ohB9b)
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Exactly. When they all get off gear, they all shrink.
And good point right here:
"The top guys would be the ones with truly natural high test levels".
There are probably a few guys in the Natural fed's that are truly natty, with great/high test levels. There are some like that out there.
But most IFBB pro's would probably look like this WNBF guy:
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSthoGTHxc-FDGSLXikESl-dzahX44SyowHfLVnc4GW_E_ohB9b)
Dude, thats why one of the reasons why I call out Professional Bodybuilding. This "Sport" is 200% associated with PDEs. No one can escape the stigma. Its really silly, cause the guys are risking their lives. No one can deny that any of those guys can drop dead at any given day due to Steroid abuse. But, they pretend everybody buy the "predisposition" aspect
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Exactly. When they all get off gear, they all shrink.
And good point right here:
"The top guys would be the ones with truly natural high test levels".
There are probably a few guys in the Natural fed's that are truly natty, with great/high test levels. There are some like that out there.
But most IFBB pro's would probably look like this WNBF guy:
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSthoGTHxc-FDGSLXikESl-dzahX44SyowHfLVnc4GW_E_ohB9b)
The WNBF guy looks amazing. Hard to tell from just that pic but he looks on par with 70’s drug using bodybuilders! If he is truly natural that shows how far the science of weight training has gotten.
A few months ago I went to just one day a week lifting- basically on Sunday afternoons. I read a number of high level research studies that showed there was no real advantage to training a muscle hard multiple times a week. Since then I have gotten noticeably bigger and stronger - my wife even commented on it and she never says anything about muscle development, lol.
I think that is where the science is taking us- just like Arthur Jones and Mentzer tried. Weight lifting is very hard on the body for a natural but given enough rest a little goes a long way. The use of steroids obscured that dose response curve
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Dude, you’re so far out of your league which is why I say you’re mental. No, you didn’t go to the gym. You’ve been on here posting and trolling since about 3am your time non stop. lol
God you’re stupid...lol
Coach,
In politics topic, El Stupido talk about his old age !.
He is just another senile old fart !.
OBW , he is also WW2 "historian" ;D
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Coach,
In politics topic, El Stupido talk about his old age !.
He is just another senile old fart !.
OBW , he is also WW2 "historian" ;D
Your mother was pretty stupid when she had you, John.
I think I should reconsider the Pro-Choice association hahahahaha
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Your mother was pretty stupid when she had you, John.
I think I should reconsider the Pro-Choice association hahahahaha
Looks like El Stupido is running out of mental munition ;D
(have to go , coconuts time)