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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Joe Valentino on May 30, 2019, 03:17:49 PM
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Ron edited...
From Rachel Porter (his wife)
Matt Porter passed away this morning. Matt was the greatest man I have ever known. Lord and everyone else knows I am not an easy person to deal with, yet, Matt Porter loved me wholeheartedly. Matt was patient and kind and loving through all of my anxiety. He was a selfless person. I wish I didn’t have to write about this now, or ever, but especially so quickly. Unfortunately, I called a few close personal friends and it’s upsetting to find out people can’t handle keeping private matters private to give me some time to process. I hope if you have a loved one pass others don’t do this to you and give you time to let it sink in first before people feel the urge to tell the world before i can even notify close personal friends and family. I am hurting more than ever and now I have to face questions and messages from people I don’t even know.
To clear up any rumors people want to start, here is what I know, I was with this man 20-24 hours a day, no one knows anything I don’t at this point. A few weeks ago we returned home from the Emerald Cup and Matt didn’t feel well. He said it felt like Pneumonia again. He tried to see if he would get better for about a week, then decided to go in to the doctor. They thought it was a very bad cold so he went home. Days later he wasn’t well but it was the weekend so he went to quick care, the doctor pushed him off and said bad cold. He told them he felt off, more than pneumonia but they insisted he was fine so Matt said he would see his normal doctor that Monday.
He went in to his regular doctor and he had him do a chest X-ray because of possible pneumonia. The x-ray came back and said it was inconclusive, they could not say he didn’t have pneumonia or that he did at that time, but they did find what appeared to be a mass on his lung and needed more tests. He had a CT scan done last week and we have not yet received the results, I spoke with his doctor after he passed and he said he still doesn’t have them but would get them today. This morning everything seemed normal. He was very tired so after getting Noah and changing him he went downstairs to make a shake like always, came up and went to the guest bedroom to sleep, he does this sometimes to get extra rest while I play with Noah until breakfast. He heard me in the playroom and came out to play with Noah. after playing with Noah and talking to me for a bit he was texting on his phone. He was on his stomach and reached out and said RACHEL and started breathing oddly. I immediately recognized distress and turned him over and called 911 and started chest compressions.
I am a small person it is not easy for me to compress I know I did not compress hard enough which kills me. I wish we had a defibrillator but we don’t. I was screaming at the 911 operator to get them here and give her our security codes and our poor son was screaming in confusion and stress as well. The medics arrived and did what they could, I knew he was gone. I couldn’t hold Noah or do anything, I watched as they worked on him. They took him to the hospital and my neighbor tried to give me hope but I knew. I knew he was gone. It has still not fully sunken in. I have been home from the hospital only 3 hours now and I am already having to write this which makes me angry and hurt. ��
As all of you know in 2015 Matt had health issues. In 2012 he had been going to the doctor and had BP issues but the doctor didn’t want to prescribe anything. In 2015 we received a phone call that his dad wasn’t well. We didn’t know what that meant so he went to Oregon to see him We are almost always together but I couldn’t be with him because we had just moved and didn’t want to find care for Smokey and find somewhere for us to stay. His dad was in bad shape and I told him to stay, he stayed for 5 weeks on his own and other family problems arose causing poor Matt much stress. Unfortunately his dad passed also while matt was in the hospital. He then found out his BP had been too high for too long and he was in heart failure. He had previously brushed off his high BP because the doctor wasn’t concerned. The head of the heart failure team told us we should look into this because he should have had you on meds and monitoring this and now it is to a point we hope it will return. Thankfully his heart was fully functioning to 55 and 60 is high This was a few months later.
He went off everything (if you follow him you know this) then started TRT doses and did do experiments on single compounds, which I wish he didn’t but this was such an addiction for him. He did blood tests and heart tests regularly. We paid out of pocket often to ensure he was doing okay. Addiction runs in his family and bodybuilding was his drug of choice. He didn’t drink or smoke or do rec drugs. He has had issues still from time to time. about once a year something would happen but we could almost always pinpoint the reason. Last year when Noah was born we had to go to the ER, he had drank an ice cold shake too quickly and it threw him out of rhythm instantly just by hitting his chest on a certain beat, really it was coincidental our cardiologist told us. Thankfully he was okay after this episode.
I know the rumor mill will go crazy and the small handful of jealous dark people will have negative things to say, please don’t say anything negative on this post or even tell me about terrible things others say. I only want to hear positivity. Please also do not ask questions, it was hard to relive this and it keeps playing in my head.
I loved Matt with all of my heart and Noah loved his daddy. He was so close to saying Dada. He said Da. Da. then paused and said it over and over again in his crib yesterday. When we said daddy he looked right at Matt, he definitely knew and loved his daddy. I hope his close friends will have a relationship with Noah throughout his life to help me tell him just how funny, smart, silly, loving, patient, kind and amazing his daddy was. Please don’t private message me at this time, I need space. You may comment here and I will read it later. For now I am making arrangements for my young husband and planning a private service. I will forever love Matt. -- Rachel Porter
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Who is Matt Porter?
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Who is Matt Porter?
Thought he was a baseball player?
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Who is Matt Porter?
Check last Jay Cutler TV Video. I believe he is a friend of Coach. A Pro from Vegas
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Thought he was a baseball player?
Matt Porter, Class of 2010
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Damn. Porter wasn't in any Deadpool. The Guy was even competing lately
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Likely hereditary conditions. RIP.
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God Damnit! He was talking about being healthy......
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According to Dave Palumbo, Matt Porter passed away...
Breaking sad news :(
Shocking
Not really, ever look at that guys face. ABUSER!
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No way :o
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Havent spoke to him in a while but he was having some issues with Pneumonia like shit. Really sad....had a kid not too long ago
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rip. I wonder what the cause was.
If it's due to "the lifestyle" then it shows that the "smart, health conscious bodybuilder" is just a meme.
stay light, lean and athletic if you want to live.
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That’s really sad. Such a young guy. Let the getbig “experts” commence...
https://twitter.com/rxmuscledotcom/status/1134220128000925696?s=21
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stay light, lean and athletic if you want to live.
the quote is "come with me if you want to live"
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rip. I wonder what the cause was.
If it's due to "the lifestyle" then it shows that the "smart, health conscious bodybuilder" is just a meme.
stay light, lean and athletic if you want to live.
Edited following Ron's detail above
Tragically, a quick Google search shows he'd had a BP/arrythmia heart failure problem not so long ago and had downsized to improve his health markers and longevity...
...then changed his mind...
PIP kid
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That’s really sad. Such a young guy. Let the getbig “experts” commence...
https://twitter.com/rxmuscledotcom/status/1134220128000925696?s=21
The_Coach_is_Back!!!1:
Who was the highest profile guy that Matt Porter was training? I recall in 2015, he was training a high-ish level guy.
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https://www.facebook.com/100000619147266/posts/2480506285313319?sfns=xmo
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That’s sad either way
He was having health issues as far back as 2012, doesn’t sound good
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Oh, well — he wasn't going
to write Beethoven's Ninth Symphony anyway.
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Oh, well — he wasn't going
to write Beethoven's Ninth Symphony anyway.
You always say this with great confidence. Are you sure he wasn't going to write it?
How do you know? And better question - was he saved?
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That’s sad either way
He was having health issues as far back as 2012, doesn’t sound good
My dad was diagnosed with heart failure last year.
His heart was working at 16%. One year later, his heart is now working at 73%.
Heart failure is not a death sentence if you do the right thing.
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You always say this with great confidence. Are you sure he wasn't going to write it?
How do you know? And better question - was he saved?
RIP to all the animals slaughtered in vain for each ounce of muscle mass Mr. Porter forced upon himself. They are the true heroes of this story.
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He had derek anthony/kamali face.The man did not look healthy from that video.
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My dad was diagnosed with heart failure last year.
His heart was working at 16%. One year later, his heart is now working at 73%.
Heart failure is not a death sentence if you do the right thing.
At last some good news. What's your Dad's stack..?
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Damn! RIP :(
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My dad was diagnosed with heart failure last year.
His heart was working at 16%. One year later, his heart is now working at 73%.
Heart failure is not a death sentence if you do the right thing.
Life is a death sentence, no matter what one tries to do.
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At last some good news. What's your Dad's stack..?
Lots of synthol!!
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Life is a death sentence, no matter what one tries to do.
Aren’t you the Debbie Downer, TA!!
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RIP
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Life is a death sentence, no matter what one tries to do.
This is true, we’re all born to die.
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what did he do?
make sure he doesn't take the improvement as a sign from above that he should relive his thong warrior dreams.
Took his medication and started exercising again. The weird thing, is he had ZERO symptoms. He found out by accident he had heart failure. The doctors are baffled, but obviously happy, with the results. In some cases, heart failure can revert itself and the heart can go back to normal. Maybe he had like a viral infection that negatively impacted his heart and the meds just kicked started it back to normal. Just hypothesizing.
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This is true, we’re all born to die.
you learn something new everyday!!
thanks getbig
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RIP to all the animals slaughtered in vain for each ounce of muscle mass Mr. Porter forced upon himself. They are the true heroes of this story.
Oh, well — those animals werent going
to write Beethoven's Ninth Symphony anyway.
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Oh, well — those animals werent going
to write Beethoven's Ninth Symphony anyway.
Not true.
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Edited following Ron's detail above
Tragically, a quick Google search shows he'd had a BP/arrythmia heart failure problem not so long ago and had downsized to improve his health markers and longevity...
...then changed his mind...
PIP kid
wtf, it's sad but he was irresponsible and selfish. he had a wife and child to provide for.
this is what happens when you follow MoB's lifestyle advice:
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Oh, well — those animals werent going
to write Beethoven's Ninth Symphony anyway.
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He’s had the DA look for a long time...bye bye kidneys.
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Not true.
I stand corrected.
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Check last Jay Cutler TV Video. I believe he is a friend of Coach. A Pro from Vegas
A Pro?
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RIP
He was a good guy. Heart aches for his wife and son.
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So is Porter the white guy or the black guy?
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Oh, well — those animals werent going
to write Beethoven's Ninth Symphony anyway.
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"Includes 8 Movies"
Where's the Ninth?
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Saddened by his passing …
A bodybuilding guru dies in his 30's, right after posting a video talking about becoming a pro BB the healthy way .
This is as ironic as it gets …. it won't be a wake up call to anyone here or in the industry but it'll be tough to beat ,
WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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"Includes 8 Movies"
Where's the Ninth?
Greatness doesn't always happen overnight. Last I heard they are still holding auditions. I can't wait. This will probably be the highlight in the collection. As long as they don't rush the production or ruin the writing, it will be a tour de force.
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Saddened by his passing …
A bodybuilding guru dies in his 30's, right after posting a video talking about becoming a pro BB the healthy way .
This is as ironic as it gets …. it won't be a wake up call to anyone here or in the industry but it'll be tough to beat ,
WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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Super crappy.
This is my first knowledge of the guy.
And last, I guess.
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Super crappy.
This is my first knowledge of the guy.
And last, I guess.
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Looks highly drugged up, and not able to breathe during that interview.
Anyone who gets a health issue,and remains in that "sport" is a bit insane. PIP and condolences to his family.
But dont feel bad, if Porter read online that "AbrahamG" passed away, he would give zero fuxx. The online personality attention whores are just odd people, who crave attention,and put themselves out there so others can "look at me, look at me". Nothing special about their life at all, just like most of us here.
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This is no disrespect to Matt, but how messed up is this industry? You have Matt Porter with all kinds of health issues from his bodybuilding lifestyle yet makes a living coaching tons of clients, Fahkri Mubarak has extremely high kidney values and is in terrible health coaching tons of clients, Nick Trigili has all kinds of health issues ranging from adrenal fatigue, anxiety, depression, blood sugar issues and he also makes a living coaching people. Why would anyone hire a coach who couldn't even keep themselves healthy? Then I look at guys like Shawn Ray or Dorian, never had a guru and escaped the sport healthy.
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I fear for my health.
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Deepest condolences to Rachel, Noah and all his family and friends. Matt was a great inspiration to so many of us.
Keeping you all in my prayers.
your brother in Christ,
Lucky
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I fear for my health.
Do not fear Matt. I am Getbig's Undertaker and official Eulogizer.
I will give you a proper send off when the time comes. Post freely my dear boy
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Do not fear Matt. I am Getbig's Undertaker and official Eulogizer.
I will give you a proper send off when the time comes. Post freely my dear boy
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Much appreciated, TA. I hope I can write Beethoven's Ninth Symphony by then.
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This is no disrespect to Matt, but how messed up is this industry? You have Matt Porter with all kinds of health issues from his bodybuilding lifestyle yet makes a living coaching tons of clients, Fahkri Mubarak has extremely high kidney values and is in terrible health coaching tons of clients, Nick Trigili has all kinds of health issues ranging from adrenal fatigue, anxiety, depression, blood sugar issues and he also makes a living coaching people. Why would anyone hire a coach who couldn't even keep themselves healthy? Then I look at guys like Shawn Ray or Dorian, never had a guru and escaped the sport healthy.
Because people cant even wipe their own ass these days w/ out a coach. Modern day BB is a total embarrassment... Best in the world didnt need a coach back in their era, they coached, trained, prepped themselves.
Plastic trophy "Prep coach" ::)
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Much appreciated, TA. I hope I can write Beethoven's Ninth Symphony by then.
it's allready written. by beethoven.
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That’s sad either way
He was having health issues as far back as 2012, doesn’t sound good
This x2.
A Young Man Having Health Issues For at Least The Last 7yrs !!!
WTF outcome did He or Anyone Expect ??
With him carrying on doing what he was doing ::)
No not Good he’s Died - Only it was fairly safe bet it was going to Happen.
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Oh, well — those animals werent going
to write Beethoven's Ninth Symphony anyway.
Owned. Lol.
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Looks highly drugged up, and not able to breathe during that interview.
Anyone who gets a health issue,and remains in that "sport" is a bit insane. PIP and condolences to his family.
But dont feel bad, if Porter read online that "AbrahamG" passed away, he would give zero fuxx. The online personality attention whores are just odd people, who crave attention,and put themselves out there so others can "look at me, look at me". Nothing special about their life at all, just like most of us here.
Id say 85 % of pro bodybuilders remain in the sport" after having health issues.
The first side effect is high BP. Very common I have yet to know one bodybuilder to go get another hobby " as doctors often tell them.
He was a good guy though. RIP.
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This is no disrespect to Matt, but how messed up is this industry? You have Matt Porter with all kinds of health issues from his bodybuilding lifestyle yet makes a living coaching tons of clients, Fahkri Mubarak has extremely high kidney values and is in terrible health coaching tons of clients, Nick Trigili has all kinds of health issues ranging from adrenal fatigue, anxiety, depression, blood sugar issues and he also makes a living coaching people. Why would anyone hire a coach who couldn't even keep themselves healthy? Then I look at guys like Shawn Ray or Dorian, never had a guru and escaped the sport healthy.
Is a messed up industry you just said it......
Sad he has passed , but you can't help but react to the way he died and so young ..... even the widowed said she wished he wasn't addicted to bodybuilding.
His death is a monumental irony to the " Bodybuilding and health" BS.
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Took his medication and started exercising again. The weird thing, is he had ZERO symptoms. He found out by accident he had heart failure. The doctors are baffled, but obviously happy, with the results. In some cases, heart failure can revert itself and the heart can go back to normal. Maybe he had like a viral infection that negatively impacted his heart and the meds just kicked started it back to normal. Just hypothesizing.
Glad to hear it. I had a buddy with a similar condition. 23 years old and they were talking about putting him on a transplant list. Takes his meds and lives a healthy lifestyle and now he leads a normal life.
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This is true, we’re all born to die.
Maybe you meant we are born to live ?
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Sad, RIP.
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Because people cant even wipe their own ass these days w/ out a coach. Modern day BB is a total embarrassment... Best in the world didnt need a coach back in their era, they coached, trained, prepped themselves.
Plastic trophy "Prep coach" ::)
Absolutely.
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He had derek anthony/kamali face.The man did not look healthy from that video.
AKA Regan Grimes face.... I wonder if his death was related to the pints of oil that filled his arms????
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I didn't follow him, but saw a couple of vids that popped up on YT. Seemed like a good dude, and you can tell from his wife's post he was a good husband and dad which is saying a lot these days. Sad to read the end part where she hoped his friends would stay around so her son would know what his dad was like cuz he is so little.
The dr. that told him his high bp was no big deal, and didn't medicate should lose his license. Matt seemed to make some dumb decisions based on his bb'ing addiction as his wife called it, but that dr. is a professional and made a huge one that could have saved him. (maybe?)
LIP Matt!
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RIP
Hmmm... in this interview he mentions recently getting over pneumonia, and just before he passed his partner mentioned the same thing had happened recently. So a bit of bro science logic - based on zero evidence or research of course - might say:
1 While pneumonia can affect all ages, for younger guys like him to have suffered it has to be much less common - so to get it twice in a few years without something serious in the background must be an even rarer occurrence
2 'Congestive' heart failure has, among other, symptoms of shortness of breath, dizziness, etc. due to the build up of fluid in the lungs - hence the title. So maybe it's possible this could be mistaken for pneumonia. Also, if taking stims this could be masked somewhat as most (all?) of them are vaso-dilators (at least the good ones are)
I know a lot of us have a BP cuff at home, but how many of us (honestly) have considered a VO2 max test at any point..?
They look like a lot of fun! :P :-X
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why all the pros or pro-to-bes have no insurance?
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Hmmm... in this interview he mentions recently getting over pneumonia, and just before he passed his partner mentioned the same thing had happened recently. So a bit of bro science logic - based on zero evidence or research of course - might say:
1 While pneumonia can affect all ages, for younger guys like him to have suffered it has to be much less common - so to get it twice in a few years without something serious in the background must be an even rarer occurrence
2 'Congestive' heart failure has, among other, symptoms of shortness of breath, dizziness, etc. due to the build up of fluid in the lungs - hence the title. So maybe it's possible this could be mistaken for pneumonia. Also, if taking stims this could be masked somewhat as most (all?) of them are vaso-dilators (at least the good ones are)
I know a lot of us have a BP cuff at home, but how many of us (honestly) have considered a VO2 max test at any point..?
They look like a lot of fun! :P :-X
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Agree, that pneumonia so frequently at such a young age is weird and had to be stressful on him. The other thing that stood out to me about her post was the part about them finding something on his lung. From what I hear tren cough/flu is an insanely common thing. Makes me wonder if it was ever really pneumonia, and not the tren that really did him in.
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why all the pros or pro-to-bes have no insurance?
He was young, and self employed is my best guess. However, if they planned their son it does seem like an even dumber choice.
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Agree, that pneumonia so frequently at such a young age is weird and had to be stressful on him. The other thing that stood out to me about her post was the part about them finding something on his lung. From what I hear tren cough/flu is an insanely common thing. Makes me wonder if it was ever really pneumonia, and not the tren that really did him in.
Excellent point, Mighty
Something else I hadn't considered. Back when I used baby amounts of Parabolan this wasn't a 'thing' (different esters back then or something..?) First I heard of if was when I started training again a few years back and joined this place
I wonder if the mechanism that causes the cough was a co-morbidity factor in all of these 'famous' heart attacks (That Zizz guy/McCarver/Piana/et al)?
Anyone on here think that modern Tren makes them breathless? (solid scientific survey is solid. LOL ;D)
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"Last year when Noah was born we had to go to the ER, he had drank an ice cold shake too quickly and it threw him out of rhythm instantly just by hitting his chest on a certain beat, really it was coincidental our cardiologist told us. Thankfully he was okay after this episode."
So he had a ventricular fibrillation which can lead to sudden death. He was already diagnosed with heart failure so the cardiologist should have studied his heart further after this incident. Dave Palumbo has an ICD.
Sudden cardiac arrest occurs when the electrical system to the heart malfunctions and suddenly becomes very irregular. The heart beats dangerously fast. The ventricles may flutter or quiver (ventricular fibrillation), and blood is not delivered to the body. In the first few minutes, the greatest concern is that blood flow to the brain will be reduced so drastically that a person will lose consciousness. Death follows unless emergency treatment is begun immediately.
As far as pneumonia is concerned; He likely had fluid accumulation in the lungs due to the inability of the heart to be efficient enough to pump blood to the organs of the body when called upon in times of exertion or stress. This is common with CHF.
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"Last year when Noah was born we had to go to the ER, he had drank an ice cold shake too quickly and it threw him out of rhythm instantly just by hitting his chest on a certain beat, really it was coincidental our cardiologist told us. Thankfully he was okay after this episode."
So he had a ventricular fibrillation which lead to sudden death. He was already diagnosed with heart failure so the cardiologist should have studied his heart further after this incident. Dave Palumbo has a ICD.
Sudden cardiac arrest occurs when the electrical system to the heart malfunctions and suddenly becomes very irregular. The heart beats dangerously fast. The ventricles may flutter or quiver (ventricular fibrillation), and blood is not delivered to the body. In the first few minutes, the greatest concern is that blood flow to the brain will be reduced so drastically that a person will lose consciousness. Death follows unless emergency treatment is begun immediately.
Guy committed suicide by stupidity, who cares. Matt’s clients, lol, more idiots. Boston Loyd is probably smiling ear to ear.
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Who the fuck is Pat Morter?
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"Last year when Noah was born we had to go to the ER, he had drank an ice cold shake too quickly and it threw him out of rhythm instantly just by hitting his chest on a certain beat, really it was coincidental our cardiologist told us. Thankfully he was okay after this episode."
So he had a ventricular fibrillation which can lead to sudden death. He was already diagnosed with heart failure so the cardiologist should have studied his heart further after this incident. Dave Palumbo has an ICD.
Sudden cardiac arrest occurs when the electrical system to the heart malfunctions and suddenly becomes very irregular. The heart beats dangerously fast. The ventricles may flutter or quiver (ventricular fibrillation), and blood is not delivered to the body. In the first few minutes, the greatest concern is that blood flow to the brain will be reduced so drastically that a person will lose consciousness. Death follows unless emergency treatment is begun immediately.
As far as pneumonia is concerned; He likely had fluid accumulation in the lungs due to the inability of the heart to be efficient enough to pump blood to the organs of the body when called upon in times of exertion or stress. This is common with CHF.
Unlucky in his choice of medical professionals then - first a Doc who told him not to worry about his hypertension, and then a Cardiologist who thinks it's OK/normal to have a cold shake cause VF due to the timing of the gulp...
*sigh*
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Much appreciated, TA. I hope I can write Beethoven's Ninth Symphony by then.
You'll have to write the 10th and it won't be Beethoven, he's dead. It will be Matt's 1st.
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Wow, 34.. too young.
Pro bodybuilding is a gamble with very bad odds.
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I didn't follow him, but saw a couple of vids that popped up on YT. Seemed like a good dude, and you can tell from his wife's post he was a good husband and dad which is saying a lot these days. Sad to read the end part where she hoped his friends would stay around so her son would know what his dad was like cuz he is so little.
The dr. that told him his high bp was no big deal, and didn't medicate should lose his license. Matt seemed to make some dumb decisions based on his bb'ing addiction as his wife called it, but that dr. is a professional and made a huge one that could have saved him. (maybe?)
LIP Matt!
I doubt if using life threatening drugs can be seen as "being a good husband and dad"....
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Id say 85 % of pro bodybuilders remain in the sport" after having health issues.
The first side effect is high BP. Very common I have yet to know one bodybuilder to go get another hobby " as doctors often tell them.
He was a good guy though. RIP.
The non-competitive bodybuilding lifestyle is probably one of the healthiest ways to live but like ANYTHING else, you abuse it and it will abuse you. Too many people, like always, tend to jump to conclusions especially since he just passed yesterday. he was smart in the way he knew he had uncontrollable BP and called it quits. He died way too young to say this was all drugs. He was off gear for a long time with the exception of TRT and BP meds and, from what I understand, making it a point to live a healthier lifestyle. Either way, he was waaaaaaaay too young and with a young family that he left behind.
Side note; despite popular belief, genetics and predispositions to high BP, cholesterol, cancers, heart disease do count which makes me wonder how some could be on heavy doses and still be healthy and some cannot. If you go down this road of having the desire to make this a "career" and get to the national level and then the pro ranks (in bodybuilding, not classic or physique) go back a generation or two to see what your families health history is and what you might be predisposed too.
But all in all, there are safe ways to compete. Blame the internet for all of the bullshit put out by board warriors who think they know what they're doing only to realize they don't have a clue.
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Coach, do you feel that contest prep is the toughest on your internals?
Perhaps it’s safer to walk around 300 pound mass monster than to do multiple shows a year killing yourself?
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The non-competitive bodybuilding lifestyle is probably one of the healthiest ways to live but like ANYTHING else, you abuse it and it will abuse you. Too many people, like always, tend to jump to conclusions especially since he just passed yesterday. he was smart in the way he knew he had uncontrollable BP and called it quits. He died way too young to say this was all drugs. He was off gear for a long time with the exception of TRT and BP meds and, from what I understand, making it a point to live a healthier lifestyle. Either way, he was waaaaaaaay too young and with a young family that he left behind.
Sad thing is, you don't even have to abuse it "
I think the main problem here is once you know your health is in jeopardy the "mindset" of a pro bodybuilder will keep at it in most cases anyways , It's almost impossible to become a pro bodybuilder say in your mid 20's and then years after, low the dosages from your 30's and beyond to provide to family and to remain healthy " ..
Remember when Jay Gutler said he'd be a fool if he didn't walk away from the lifestyle in his 30's? the guy is 46 with both biceps torn and still at it ….
On the other hand Mike O'hearn is 50, shredded year round and still healthy ……
It is a messed up cult .
WooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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Theres guys like Lui Simmons who have done steroids for 60 plus years and he's still going. I think once you get into the designer stuff and playing with hgh, insulin, peptides, seo..that's when you start seeing the health issues.
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Sad thing is, you don't even have to abuse it "
I think the main problem here is once you know your health is in jeopardy the "mindset" of a pro bodybuilder will keep at it in most cases anyways , It's almost impossible to become a pro bodybuilder say in your mid 20's and then years after, low the dosages from your 30's and beyond to provide to family and to remain healthy " ..
remember when Jay Gutler said he'd be a fool if he didn't walk away from the lifestyle in his 30's? the guy is 46 with both biceps torn and still at it ….
On the other hand Mike O'hearn is 50, shredded year round and still healthy ……
It is a messed up cult .
WooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Theres very little money on Pro Bodybuilding, yet people do these crazy things. Kelly Slater and some guys on the Surf Pro circuit have a nice look, and theyre prolly on tiny amounts of weak gear. Some MMA guys are also on gear, but much lower dosages and yet theres significant more money on professional fighting, so in order to play the game you gotta be super insane to partake in Pro BBuilding.
O Hearn has a bad ass body. And hes prolly more richer than Phil, who has 7 Mr O, without going to that crazy road!!
I might be wrong , tho
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Coach, do you feel that contest prep is the toughest on your internals?
Perhaps it’s safer to walk around 300 pound mass monster than to do multiple shows a year killing yourself?
It really all depends who you are and what that person or person's trainer's belief is but to clear things up, more is not better and most of the time the higher the doses the worse that person might look. It is true, that in most cases the pre-contest gear (at the higher levels) are harsh but most of those harsh compounds are used (or should be used) for short durations (2-8 weeks at most) with minimal doses to avoid side effects, I'm referring mostly to orals. In the off-season, I avoid all orals and the only time I used them was 4 weeks before the show out of the entire year. After that (like right now) I use a product called "Liver Stabil" just to help detox.
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Sad thing is, you don't even have to abuse it "
I think the main problem here is once you know your health is in jeopardy the "mindset" of a pro bodybuilder will keep at it in most cases anyways , It's almost impossible to become a pro bodybuilder say in your mid 20's and then years after, low the dosages from your 30's and beyond to provide to family and to remain healthy " ..
remember when Jay Gutler said he'd be a fool if he didn't walk away from the lifestyle in his 30's? the guy is 46 with both biceps torn and still at it ….
On the other hand Mike O'hearn is 50, shredded year round and still healthy ……
It is a messed up cult .
WooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
I don't consider torn muscles as a health risk, like any sport that you have to use weights to train with, it's almost inevitable that an injury will occur. Other than that, Jay is living proof that you can live a healthy bodybuilding lifestyle without competition. In my opinion.
I'm not talking about the competitive lifestyle. He was correct in saying that.
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Theres guys like Lui Simmons who have done steroids for 60 plus years and he's still going. I think once you get into the designer stuff and playing with hgh, insulin, peptides, seo..that's when you start seeing the health issues.
There’s always the exception for everything
A lot of times we don’t exactly know the health of these bbers, or if they are really healthy or not, they take so much shit to mask other symptoms, who really knows
What we do know will be interesting to see, like the current crop of guys? The “internet” era of guys and their health’s will be interesting to see in 10+ years time
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The non-competitive bodybuilding lifestyle is probably one of the healthiest ways to live but like ANYTHING else, you abuse it and it will abuse you. Too many people, like always, tend to jump to conclusions especially since he just passed yesterday. he was smart in the way he knew he had uncontrollable BP and called it quits. He died way too young to say this was all drugs. He was off gear for a long time with the exception of TRT and BP meds and, from what I understand, making it a point to live a healthier lifestyle. Either way, he was waaaaaaaay too young and with a young family that he left behind.
Side note; despite popular belief, genetics and predispositions to high BP, cholesterol, cancers, heart disease do count which makes me wonder how some could be on heavy doses and still be healthy and some cannot. If you go down this road of having the desire to make this a "career" and get to the national level and then the pro ranks (in bodybuilding, not classic or physique) go back a generation or two to see what your families health history is and what you might be predisposed too.
But all in all, there are safe ways to compete. Blame the internet for all of the bullshit put out by board warriors who think they know what they're doing only to realize they don't have a clue.
Coach, serious question:
Do you think there are any safe ways to compete at the IFBB level?
I can't imagine it's safe at all, or healthy.
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Coach, serious question:
Do you think there are any safe ways to compete at the IFBB level?
I can't imagine it's safe at all, or healthy.
Say a prayer, hope your health holds, and blast away ;D
At least with other real pro sports, you get millions, in bbing, a plastic trophy and admiration of schmoes
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Say a prayer, hope your health holds, and blast away ;D
At least with other real pro sports, you get millions, in bbing, a plastic trophy and admiration of schmoes
Exactly. Benefits are way higher with bodybuilding.
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Unlucky in his choice of medical professionals then - first a Doc who told him not to worry about his hypertension, and then a Cardiologist who thinks it's OK/normal to have a cold shake cause VF due to the timing of the gulp...
*sigh*
That just baffles me. I can't imagine a Dr looking at a bulked up bodybuilder with high bp and sending him on his way with no follow up or meds.
As far as VF/AF every Dr learns about sudden death and could have easily sent him for heart mapping. In the mean time meds.
https://www.medtronic.com/us-en/patients/treatments-therapies/cardiac-mapping.html
A bb I used to train with many many years ago started having af/vf issues in his late 40's early 50's and I recommended a MGH cardiologist. Meds were not controlling it well so they mapped him and ablated the faulty electrical pathway. So far so good.
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Using bodybuilding drugs are a risk to health. Having said that so are cigarettes. Will there be life long smokers who live to 80? Of course. Are cigarettes a risk to the heart, lungs and getting cancer? Of course they are. I find fans of bodybuilding drugs use the biggest rationalization among drug users. They all say the risk is over blown. Even after they have a heart attack or a stroke. It's always, "My drug use has nothing to do with it." Okay, lie to yourself. Syringe away. The majority of us have a predisposition to an eventual health problem. Why increase the odds?
Bodybuilding naturally with cardio could be one of the most amazing things you can do to decrease the odds of health problems but it has been corrupted by insecure guys trying to impress others with their manhood via pills and syringes.
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Using bodybuilding drugs are a risk to health. Having said that so are cigarettes. Will there be life long smokers who live to 80? Of course. Are cigarettes a risk to the heart, lungs and getting cancer? Of course they are. I find fans of bodybuilding drugs use the biggest rationalization among drug users. They all say the risk is over blown. Even after they have a heart attack or a stroke. It's always, "My drug use has nothing to do with it." Okay, lie to yourself. Syringe away. The majority of us have a predisposition to an eventual health problem. Why increase the odds?
Bodybuilding naturally with cardio could be one of the most amazing things you can do to decrease the odds of health problems but it has been corrupted by insecure guys trying to impress others with their manhood via pills and syringes.
Yes, and women have probably been hurt even worse by the examples they have in bodybuilding. Most women won't touch weights because they think they will morph into one of the she beasts in the mags or online. Weight training would keep women looking younger, sexier and healthier if they engaged in it. If steroids never entered the scene we would be better off.
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God Damnit! He was talking about being healthy......
go to 630 of the video - interesting
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Life is a death sentence, no matter what one tries to do.
interesting enough there is not such thing as death if you accept the fact that nothing inherently exists on its own!
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wtf, it's sad but he was irresponsible and selfish. he had a wife and child to provide for.
this is what happens when you follow MoB's lifestyle advice:
he is a giants fan?
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Using bodybuilding drugs are a risk to health. Having said that so are cigarettes. Will there be life long smokers who live to 80? Of course. Are cigarettes a risk to the heart, lungs and getting cancer? Of course they are. I find fans of bodybuilding drugs use the biggest rationalization among drug users. They all say the risk is over blown. Even after they have a heart attack or a stroke. It's always, "My drug use has nothing to do with it." Okay, lie to yourself. Syringe away. The majority of us have a predisposition to an eventual health problem. Why increase the odds?
Bodybuilding naturally with cardio could be one of the most amazing things you can do to decrease the odds of health problems but it has been corrupted by insecure guys trying to impress others with their manhood via pills and syringes.
Good post
No different than people who say “well, we have homegrown terrorists, and I fear them more,” in justifying when illegal immigrants commit crimes
People are always going to make justifications as long as it fits what they agree or don’t agree with, for what they do
Look at what his wife is saying about him, since he doesn’t drink, smoke, rec drugs, bbing is his addiction. You can bet damn well he was running crazy amounts of gear and who knows what else
The signs were all there since 2012. Whatever he is saying he neglected what was happening, it was an addiction
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interesting enough there is not such thing as death if you accept the fact that nothing inherently exists on its own!
There is no such thing as anything because its all relative.
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Good post
No different than people who say “well, we have homegrown terrorists, and I fear them more,” in justifying when illegal immigrants commit crimes
People are always going to make justifications as long as it fits what they agree or don’t agree with, for what they do
Look at what his wife is saying about him, since he doesn’t drink, smoke, rec drugs, bbing is his addiction. You can bet damn well he was running crazy amounts of gear and who knows what else
The signs were all there since 2012. Whatever he is saying he neglected what was happening, it was an addiction
"Sometimes White men commit murder, so let's import races of people whose men commit 10 times as much murder."
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There is no such thing as anything because its all relative.
Expand on this please.
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he is a giants fan?
No, he is a fan of Giant cock.
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shame the kid was born to a drug addict father. at least rich piana didnt do that.
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You'll have to write the 10th and it won't be Beethoven, he's dead. It will be Matt's 1st.
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matt's first syntholy
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Havent spoke to him in a while but he was having some issues with Pneumonia like shit. Really sad....had a kid not too long ago
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He appears to have had a viral pneumonia associated with a viral cardiomyopathy. Simple problem to treat.
Unfortunately he had some dangerous doctors. I see his wife initiated a 'go find me' page. She needs to be suing the doctors' ass.
Emphasizes the point that every bodybuilder needs a good friend as a doctor.
Eliminate the dangerous doctors.
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no one has explained who Matt Porter is...who is/was he?
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no one has explained who Matt Porter is...who is/was he?
A Pro BBuilder and a Prep Coach, from Vegas
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The dangerous doctors.
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Coach, serious question:
Do you think there are any safe ways to compete at the IFBB level?
I can't imagine it's safe at all, or healthy.
He's just in denial.
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Matt Porter posted under the username "futurefreak", no? If I'm thinking of the same guy, it's a little surprising that he died. He always talked about doing things the 'healthy' way. Low doses, supplementation, etc.
Who knows what he was actually doing behind closed doors though. In any case, kind of a bummer .. he was always nice to talk to and tried to base his practices on evidence-based science
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Very sad news, R.I.P. Matt.
He was a great positive person and brother of the iron always gave free advice and truly loved bodybuilding, he will be missed.
I followed Matt on IG and Youtube and FaceBook. I know he kept a close eye on his BP and it was low like 100/60 if i remember, this was when he made the series "smaller by the day" when he went off everything. Not sure what his BP was recently but im guessing it was close to these numbers, What i do remember from his posts on IG and FaceBook he would post his Blood Test results and I need to go back and Look on IG but im pretty sure he always had LOW HDL levels and HIGH LDL levels and possible high tryglycerides, would this have had such an impact on his heart health even with the very low BP?
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Do you have the video of the 21 Syringe Salute yet?
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Do you have the video of the 21 Syringe Salute yet?
The guys dead, dude. Seek help.
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The guys dead, dude. Seek help.
You will be dead soon too though. :-\
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You will be dead soon too though. :-\
Soon is a pretty relative term.
How’s your personal life? Everything ok in the mutant household?
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Very sad news, R.I.P. Matt.
He was a great positive person and brother of the iron always gave free advice and truly loved bodybuilding, he will be missed.
I followed Matt on IG and Youtube and FaceBook. I know he kept a close eye on his BP and it was low like 100/60 if i remember, this was when he made the series "smaller by the day" when he went off everything. Not sure what his BP was recently but im guessing it was close to these numbers, What i do remember from his posts on IG and FaceBook he would post his Blood Test results and I need to go back and Look on IG but im pretty sure he always had LOW HDL levels and HIGH LDL levels and possible high tryglycerides, would this have had such an impact on his heart health even with the very low BP?
If you fuck with the bull, you will eventually get the horns.
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He's just in denial.
I can't of any physical based sport on a world-class level that is good for your health. A sport that pushes your body to extreme levels takes it's toll. Whether it's bbing, MMA, football, Olympic Lifting, boxing, wrestling, gymnastics... that's why physical sports are the province for the young. I think sports like bowling and even golf you can hang on longer but they still have their issues. When you are doing something over and over again every day for decades you're going to have problems.
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he had that high dosage look imo
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Very sad news, R.I.P. Matt.
He was a great positive person and brother of the iron always gave free advice and truly loved bodybuilding, he will be missed.
I followed Matt on IG and Youtube and FaceBook. I know he kept a close eye on his BP and it was low like 100/60 if i remember, this was when he made the series "smaller by the day" when he went off everything. Not sure what his BP was recently but im guessing it was close to these numbers, What i do remember from his posts on IG and FaceBook he would post his Blood Test results and I need to go back and Look on IG but im pretty sure he always had LOW HDL levels and HIGH LDL levels and possible high tryglycerides, would this have had such an impact on his heart health even with the very low BP?
So a relatively young man who’s had at least 7yrs of health problems that we know of
Dies - And you seem to be Surprised/ Saying he was on top of his Health ::)
Yes it’s sad that he’s died young - Only reading about his health issues & lifestyle
It’s not a Great Surprise.
And yes I’ve competed & used & still use on & off the last 30yrs
Thankfully for me I’ve not encountered the heath issues he did.
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I can't of any physical based sport on a world-class level that is good for your health. A sport that pushes your body to extreme levels takes it's toll. Whether it's bbing, MMA, football, Olympic Lifting, boxing, wrestling, gymnastics... that's why physical sports are the province for the young. I think sports like bowling and even golf you can hang on longer but they still have their issues. When you are doing something over and over again every day for decades you're going to have problems.
Great post! Sharing this to Facebook, credited to "My friend from Hawaii, pellius."
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I can't of any physical based sport on a world-class level that is good for your health. A sport that pushes your body to extreme levels takes it's toll. Whether it's bbing, MMA, football, Olympic Lifting, boxing, wrestling, gymnastics... that's why physical sports are the province for the young. I think sports like bowling and even golf you can hang on longer but they still have their issues. When you are doing something over and over again every day for decades you're going to have problems.
Yeah but chances of seeing an Olympic gymnast die is rarer than a bber or wrestler, the last two you are always seeing guys dropping like flies more frequently
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He passed doing what he loved.
Respect.
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They always say their doing things 'healthy' but if you look at his face from that video he is far from healthy. Healthy to someone using a huge amount of drugs is using half or just less. They don't realise how far from reality that is.
Having seen how some serious Heroin or Meth users have talked, their not addicts they just smoke it a lot but that bloke over there, he injects it! That's serious, smoking it constantly isn't that bad. Get what I mean?
As soon as he had serious problems you get off the drugs. You let your bodyweight come down so it's under less stress and can recover from what you've done. Do these guys do that? Fuck no, or if they do for a period they're like 'Oh I don't feel as shit as I did before, fuck it i'll jump back on heaps of shit again just 75% of it so it's healthy this time, I should be fine'. They're so far gone they don't know what feeling normal without drugs feels like.
He died at 34 and was having serious problems at 27-28. That's not good. I know the mental feeling, I remember getting blood tests back and doing a scan on my liver and it came back with irregularities. I didn't give a fuck I wasn't going to stop juicing or eating. Eventually I didn't like how I looked and wanted to be leaner so I stopped juicing and even now if I could go lower than 195 at 5'8' I would but there's no fat left to lose. But I could see if I was stuck doing it and didn't want to stop you don't give a fuck you just keep doing it and taking a break doesn't change the mental state of wanting to push yourself further and further. These guys need to find something else to push themselves in at that point because it will shorten their life span a lot more.
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Very sad news, R.I.P. Matt.
He was a great positive person and brother of the iron always gave free advice and truly loved bodybuilding, he will be missed.
I followed Matt on IG and Youtube and FaceBook. I know he kept a close eye on his BP and it was low like 100/60 if i remember, this was when he made the series "smaller by the day" when he went off everything. Not sure what his BP was recently but im guessing it was close to these numbers, What i do remember from his posts on IG and FaceBook he would post his Blood Test results and I need to go back and Look on IG but im pretty sure he always had LOW HDL levels and HIGH LDL levels and possible high tryglycerides, would this have had such an impact on his heart health even with the very low BP?
Dude, he was previously diagnosed with heart failure. In his mid twenties, no less! When that happens, it should be game over. Time to get off everything, shrink down to 150 pounds, take up walking or leisurely swimming instead of lifting, find a good cardiologist for regular check-ups, and spend more time with your family. In short, time to pull a Tom Prince.
Matt Porter thought he knew better. Also, he was definitely addicted, and he couldn't bring himself to stop.
And once you start getting that bloated and waterlogged face a la Derek Anthony or Chucky the evil doll... yeah, that means you've taken things too damn far.
In retrospect, Tom Prince was a smart son of a bitch.
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These guys need to find something else to push themselves in at that point because it will shorten their life span a lot more.
hence my obsession with Hot yoga, it is the closest thing to bbing for me in a strange way but healthy - i enjoy hot yoga as much as i do training/posing
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i think we will see more and more bber deaths with so many guys starting early and competing for social media likes/attention. guys come off, get small the twitter trolls and everyone else just crushes a guy when he is now soft or off... we do it here lol and those bbers - you can see the comments burn and they must be on juice all the time
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He passed doing what he loved.
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Receiving CPR?
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Receiving CPR?
Technically, he was already dead, at the point received CPR. So, died doing what he loved = struggling to breath
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Dude, he was previously diagnosed with heart failure. In his mid twenties, no less! When that happens, it should be game over. Time to get off everything, shrink down to 150 pounds, take up walking or leisurely swimming instead of lifting, find a good cardiologist for regular check-ups, and spend more time with your family. In short, time to pull a Tom Prince.
Matt Porter thought he knew better. Also, he was definitely addicted, and he couldn't bring himself to stop.
And once you start getting that bloated and waterlogged face a la Derek Anthony or Chucky the evil doll... yeah, that means you've taken things too damn far.
In retrospect, Tom Prince was a smart son of a bitch.
This is what a smart man would have done.
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They always say their doing things 'healthy' but if you look at his face from that video he is far from healthy. Healthy to someone using a huge amount of drugs is using half or just less. They don't realise how far from reality that is.
Having seen how some serious Heroin or Meth users have talked, their not addicts they just smoke it a lot but that bloke over there, he injects it! That's serious, smoking it constantly isn't that bad. Get what I mean?
As soon as he had serious problems you get off the drugs. You let your bodyweight come down so it's under less stress and can recover from what you've done. Do these guys do that? Fuck no, or if they do for a period they're like 'Oh I don't feel as shit as I did before, fuck it i'll jump back on heaps of shit again just 75% of it so it's healthy this time, I should be fine'. They're so far gone they don't know what feeling normal without drugs feels like.
He died at 34 and was having serious problems at 27-28. That's not good. I know the mental feeling, I remember getting blood tests back and doing a scan on my liver and it came back with irregularities. I didn't give a fuck I wasn't going to stop juicing or eating. Eventually I didn't like how I looked and wanted to be leaner so I stopped juicing and even nowif I could go lower than 195 at 5'8' I would but there's no fat left to lose.But I could see if I was stuck doing it and didn't want to stop you don't give a fuck you just keep doing it and taking a break doesn't change the mental state of wanting to push yourself further and further. These guys need to find something else to push themselves in at that point because it will shorten their life span a lot more.
Sounds like you and Tom Prince had the same problem, he said he couldn’t go under 240/200 if he tried
You must be a beast weighing 195 at that height with no fat, and natural clean :o
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This is what a smart man would have done.
But you are talking to an addict, easier said than done
He put himself before his wife and kids a long time ago
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Sounds like you and Tom Prince had the same problem, he said he couldn’t go under 240/200 if he tried
You must be a beast weighing 195 at that height with no fat, and natural clean :o
Yeah that post is worthy of a ::)
I bet he wont post pictures of his shredded 195lb physique
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In retrospect, Tom Prince was a smart son of a bitch.
We've shit on Tom Prince to no end but when his body reached its limit, he did what it took to preserve his health--something that few others have been able to do. He really is a smart, mentally tough guy
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We've shit on Tom Prince to no end but when his body reached its limit, he did what it took to preserve his health--something that few others have been able to do. He really is a smart, mentally tough guy
He always was smart. Isn't he successful in real estate now?
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Tom Prince is still alive, smart enough to get out and never look back, and in his prime, one of the strongest guys at golds Venice
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Tom Prince is still alive, smart enough to get out and never look back, and in his prime, one of the strongest guys at golds Venice
And posts on getbig. I think he posts under the name Bevo.
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And posts on getbig. I think he posts under the name Bevo.
Thanks, I am doing good these days.
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And posts on getbig. I think he posts under the name Bevo.
BMG, I think.
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Sounds like you and Tom Prince had the same problem, he said he couldn’t go under 240/200 if he tried
You must be a beast weighing 195 at that height with no fat, and natural clean :o
I could drop lower if I stopped training. I started training at 16 and trained 4 years natural, i didn’t really gain much the 4th year. I competed at 193 when I juiced. Never experienced big weight loss when I came off. I would guess because of the muscle I built in my teens natural so I had the base before juicing. Believe what you want.
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juice first. base second.
always juice first. as early as possible.
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BMG, I think.
*BFG was Tom Prince. I think. I'll go gather evidence now.
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God Damnit! He was talking about being healthy......
Jays new vid
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Yeah but chances of seeing an Olympic gymnast die is rarer than a bber or wrestler, the last two you are always seeing guys dropping like flies more frequently
It doesn't have to always end at dying
Most get out before that. If you take high level gymnastics deep into your twenties you're going to have problems. Most get out simply because they just can't do those stunts anymore. Can you imagine bouncing into a full split like
that Asian chick from UCLA? How long
can you do that?
The issue was health when competing at a world class level.
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It doesn't have to always end at dying
Most get out before that. If you take high level gymnastics deep into your twenties you're going to have problems. Most get out simply because they just can't do those stunts anymore. Can you imagine bouncing into a full split like
that Asian chick from UCLA? How long
can you do that?
The issue was health when competing at a world class level.
I get your point but honestly, are they dying?? We have paina, mccarver, porter, prob a lot more in span of a few years. There are definitely some “sports” that are considered dangerous but in a “sport” that relies on copious amounts of synthetic compounds to build a body is definitely more dangerous
Yes, I am aware pro sports use PED’s to a degree but in competitive bbing they are using gear, peptides, insulin, gh, diuretics, who knows what else
I’d reckon the 80’s, 70’s and beyond we’re more “healthy” but the 90’s and especially modern times with social media and the belief of “more is better” we shall see what happens in the upcoming years to these guys experimenting with more exotic cocktails
Time will tell
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I get your point but honestly, are they dying?? We have paina, mccarver, porter, prob a lot more in span of a few years. There are definitely some “sports” that are considered dangerous but in a “sport” that relies on copious amounts of synthetic compounds to build a body is definitely more dangerous
Yes, I am aware pro sports use PED’s to a degree but in competitive bbing they are using gear, peptides, insulin, gh, diuretics, who knows what else
I’d reckon the 80’s, 70’s and beyond we’re more “healthy” but the 90’s and especially modern times with social media and the belief of “more is better” we shall see what happens in the upcoming years to these guys experimenting with more exotic cocktails
Time will tell
SHOCK / REVELATION
I predict that what will happen to them is the same as every other person on the Planet
Death - Though Maybe at an earlier than Expected Age.
;D
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I get your point but honestly, are they dying?? We have paina, mccarver, porter, prob a lot more in span of a few years. There are definitely some “sports” that are considered dangerous but in a “sport” that relies on copious amounts of synthetic compounds to build a body is definitely more dangerous
Yes, I am aware pro sports use PED’s to a degree but in competitive bbing they are using gear, peptides, insulin, gh, diuretics, who knows what else
I’d reckon the 80’s, 70’s and beyond we’re more “healthy” but the 90’s and especially modern times with social media and the belief of “more is better” we shall see what happens in the upcoming years to these guys experimenting with more exotic cocktails
Time will tell
All sports are not created equal. I would say that, would the exception of professional wrestling, bbing at the elite pro level is the most unhealthiest sport in the world.
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All sports are not created equal. I would say that, would the exception of professional wrestling, bbing at the elite pro level is the most unhealthiest sport in the world.
Wasn't there a massive Hawaiian MMA fighter who starred in the movie Forgetting Sarah Marshall?
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It doesn't have to always end at dying
Most get out before that. If you take high level gymnastics deep into your twenties you're going to have problems. Most get out simply because they just can't do those stunts anymore. Can you imagine bouncing into a full split like
that Asian chick from UCLA? How long
can you do that?
The issue was health when competing at a world class level.
Yes, gymnasts and Olympic lifters are usually shot in their 20's. Female college gymnasts get worse each year from freshman to senior instead of the other way around like most sports.
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Sounds like you and Tom Prince had the same problem, he said he couldn’t go under 240/200 if he tried
You must be a beast weighing 195 at that height with no fat, and natural clean :o
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. If you take high level gymnastics deep into your twenties you're going to have problems.
What problems ?
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Wasn't there a massive Hawaiian MMA fighter who starred in the movie Forgetting Sarah Marshall?
Didn't catch that flick.
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What problems ?
Shut up, Commie Lover.
I love how you disappeared from the other thread for exposing you for the hypocrite you are.
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I could drop lower if I stopped training. I started training at 16 and trained 4 years natural, i didn’t really gain much the 4th year. I competed at 193 when I juiced. Never experienced big weight loss when I came off. I would guess because of the muscle I built in my teens natural so I had the base before juicing. Believe what you want.
The common wisdom is to train natural for a few years to get the best "base" for future bodyuilding success, and start juice when fully grown. But theoretically, and this is probably unethical in most peoples minds, I think juicing a young teen could set him up with a higher muscular set-point later in life. In Eastern block countries the docs thought future champions should be pushed very hard at the onset of puberty, girls a bit earlier than the boys. And this was because physiology, as well as psychology, is highly, or at least more plastic than it is later on. The kids are riding the natural hormone boost of puberty and developing strength and skills they can't later in life. It was done in the past and is done now as well in some countries (doping kids). I'm not going into future repercussions of it, it's obviously an issue, but the concept is interesting to me.
I have even read studies done in the west with kids and height where they have increased predicted height with aromatase inhibitors and steroids such as oxandrolone (it's estrogen that closes the growth plates). And I remember reading an article about american doctors complaining about parents asking them for growth hormones for their kids to increase the chances of them getting taller and having an athletic career.
Just some off-topic rambling on my part :)
For Matt to die was too bad, seemed like a nice guy by many accounts and was supposedly very meticulous about his health, constant blood work and heart meds and health supps and Rx TRT mostly etc, dosing very low in the past few years. Although I never saw him say he had actual heart failure back in 2015.
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What problems ?
Aren't they all basically almost dwarwes and have joint and back issues from the forced hypermobility?
Not to mention the psych issues from the crazy strict coaching approaches. This in the west. In the east they hit the kids with sticks when they cry for mommy during training.
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The common wisdom is to train natural for a few years to get the best "base" for future bodyuilding success, and start juice when fully grown. But theoretically, and this is probably unethical in most peoples minds, I think juicing a young teen could set him up with a higher muscular set-point later in life. In Eastern block countries the docs thought future champions should be pushed very hard at the onset of puberty, girls a bit earlier than the boys. And this was because physiology, as well as psychology, is highly, or at least more plastic than it is later on. The kids are riding the natural hormone boost of puberty and developing strength and skills they can't later in life. It was done in the past and is done now as well in some countries (doping kids). I'm not going into future repercussions of it, it's obviously an issue, but the concept is interesting to me.
I have even read studies done in the west with kids and height where they have increased predicted height with aromatase inhibitors and steroids such as oxandrolone (it's estrogen that closes the growth plates). And I remember reading an article about american doctors complaining about parents asking them for growth hormones for their kids to increase the chances of them getting taller and having an athletic career.
Just some off-topic rambling on my part :)
For Matt to die was too bad, seemed like a nice guy by many accounts and was supposedly very meticulous about his health, constant blood work and heart meds and health supps and Rx TRT mostly etc, dosing very low in the past few years. Although I never saw him say he had actual heart failure back in 2015.
IF ANYONE THINKS MATT WAS JUST ON TRT YOU ARE A COMPLETE IDIOT. Matt killed himself, I could care less about his death. A real tragedy are the children who die daily from various diseases, that’s sad. I’m happy Matt died before he killed one of his clients with his idiotic “coaching”.
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Aren't they all basically almost dwarwes and have joint and back issues from the forced hypermobility?
Not to mention the psych issues from the crazy strict coaching approaches. This in the west. In the east they hit the kids with sticks when they cry for mommy during training.
That's far from dying
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The common wisdom is to train natural for a few years to get the best "base" for future bodyuilding success, and start juice when fully grown. But theoretically, and this is probably unethical in most peoples minds, I think juicing a young teen could set him up with a higher muscular set-point later in life. In Eastern block countries the docs thought future champions should be pushed very hard at the onset of puberty, girls a bit earlier than the boys. And this was because physiology, as well as psychology, is highly, or at least more plastic than it is later on. The kids are riding the natural hormone boost of puberty and developing strength and skills they can't later in life. It was done in the past and is done now as well in some countries (doping kids). I'm not going into future repercussions of it, it's obviously an issue, but the concept is interesting to me.
I have even read studies done in the west with kids and height where they have increased predicted height with aromatase inhibitors and steroids such as oxandrolone (it's estrogen that closes the growth plates). And I remember reading an article about american doctors complaining about parents asking them for growth hormones for their kids to increase the chances of them getting taller and having an athletic career.
Just some off-topic rambling on my part :)
For Matt to die was too bad, seemed like a nice guy by many accounts and was supposedly very meticulous about his health, constant blood work and heart meds and health supps and Rx TRT mostly etc, dosing very low in the past few years. Although I never saw him say he had actual heart failure back in 2015.
I’ve pretty much gave up on reasoning or even having conversations about training, drugs or the deaths of bodybuilders or even health issues in general on here because it’s fruitless and they’re going to draw their own conclusions regardless of what studies or reasoning that’s trying to be made. Bottom line is that unless there was an genetic predisposition people as young as Matt just don’t drop dead especially when he watched his health as closely as he did after he was diagnosed with high BP that even then had a hard time controlling after meds, but he did finally get it under control.
Like you, I never read or heard about his saying he had congestive heart failure. If someone can find it post it otherwise it’s just an internet rumor.
Ed Corney was a bodybuilder that died at 85 so the thought process is of course, drugs. A little exaggerated in this case but you see the pattern of ignorance
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The common wisdom is to train natural for a few years to get the best "base" for future bodyuilding success, and start juice when fully grown. But theoretically, and this is probably unethical in most peoples minds, I think juicing a young teen could set him up with a higher muscular set-point later in life. In Eastern block countries the docs thought future champions should be pushed very hard at the onset of puberty, girls a bit earlier than the boys. And this was because physiology, as well as psychology, is highly, or at least more plastic than it is later on. The kids are riding the natural hormone boost of puberty and developing strength and skills they can't later in life. It was done in the past and is done now as well in some countries (doping kids). I'm not going into future repercussions of it, it's obviously an issue, but the concept is interesting to me.
I have even read studies done in the west with kids and height where they have increased predicted height with aromatase inhibitors and steroids such as oxandrolone (it's estrogen that closes the growth plates). And I remember reading an article about american doctors complaining about parents asking them for growth hormones for their kids to increase the chances of them getting taller and having an athletic career.
Just some off-topic rambling on my part :)
For Matt to die was too bad, seemed like a nice guy by many accounts and was supposedly very meticulous about his health, constant blood work and heart meds and health supps and Rx TRT mostly etc, dosing very low in the past few years. Although I never saw him say he had actual heart failure back in 2015.
Yes but the counties getting kids on hormones younger are also doing this for sports where the kids have been training in for many years, probably since they were even 5. So they have trained for 6-7 or more years before juicing. In bodybuilding you don’t really start training until maybe 14 at the earliest, and also bodybuilding is a sport where some guys even on juice don’t peak until their forties. So training natural with weights for 3 years natural to build as much as you can naturally is worth it. All I know is I never dropped much off cycles, I competed at 193 when I cleaned out, went up to about 205 and then started doing other sports as well and dropped down. Haven’t changed much in 15 years since except better quality from more years of training. Some of the guys in this thread have been hanging around hardcore juicers too much who’s weight goes up and down 60 pounds because they can’t train clean.
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I’ve pretty much gave up on reasoning or even having conversations about training, drugs or the deaths of bodybuilders or even health issues in general on here because it’s fruitless and they’re going to draw their own conclusions regardless of what studies or reasoning that’s trying to be made. Bottom line is that unless there was an genetic predisposition people as young as Matt just don’t drop dead especially when he watched his health as closely as he did after he was diagnosed with high BP that even then had a hard time controlling after meds, but he did finally get it under control.
Like you, I never read or heard about his saying he had congestive heart failure. If someone can find it post it otherwise it’s just an internet rumor.
An internet rumor... started by his grieving wife? (Who, surely, was in a position to know.)
You retarded?
If you believe that he was only on TRT... well... that answers that question.
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An internet rumor... started by his grieving wife? (Who, surely, was in a position to know.)
You retarded?
If you believe that he was only on TRT... well... that answers that question.
No, I’m not. I just re-read her post and unless I missed it there was no mention of congestive heart failure ( the internet rumor) which is what I was referring too. As for what he was taking? I don’t know and neither do you but regardless and like I said before, unless they missed something underlying and he was diligent with his med check ups...people that young just don’t drop dead.
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No, I’m not. I just re-read her post and unless I missed it there was no mention of congestive heart failure ( the internet rumor) which is what I was referring too. As for what he was taking? I don’t know and neither do you but regardless and like I said before, unless they missed something underlying and he was diligent with his med check ups...people that young just don’t drop dead.
This is what she wrote, emphasis added:
"He then found out his BP had been too high for too long and he was in heart failure. He had previously brushed off his high BP because the doctor wasn’t concerned. The head of the heart failure team told us we should look into this because he should have had you on meds and monitoring this and now it is to a point we hope it will return. Thankfully his heart was fully functioning to 55 and 60 is high This was a few months later."
"He was in heart failure" = he had started experiencing heart failure at the age of 27.
Derek Anthony died at 33. Matt Porter at 34. Dallas Carver at 26. There is a common thread here. You don't want to see it, you're in denial, but it's there. Young people die when they take things too far in this "sport," and don't know when to stop.
For fuck's sake, just look at Matt Porter's face in his latest videos. Is that the face of a healthy man in his early 30s? He's got the late-stage-terminal bloat that we've come to know.
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I’ve pretty much gave up on reasoning or even having conversations about training, drugs or the deaths of bodybuilders or even health issues in general on here because it’s fruitless and they’re going to draw their own conclusions regardless of what studies or reasoning that’s trying to be made. Bottom line is that unless there was an genetic predisposition people as young as Matt just don’t drop dead especially when he watched his health as closely as he did after he was diagnosed with high BP that even then had a hard time controlling after meds, but he did finally get it under control.
Like you, I never read or heard about his saying he had congestive heart failure. If someone can find it post it otherwise it’s just an internet rumor.
Ed Corney was a bodybuilder that died at 85 so the thought process is of course, drugs. A little exaggerated in this case but you see the pattern of ignorance
Coach, I can't figure out what you're trying to say. Are you saying he was poisoned?
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This is what she wrote, emphasis added:
"He was in heart failure" = he had started experiencing heart failure at the age of 27.
Derek Anthony died at 33. Matt Porter at 34. Dallas Carver at 26. There is a common thread here. You don't want to see it, you're in denial, but it's there. Young people die when they take things too far in this "sport," and don't know when to stop.
For fuck's sake, just look at Matt Porter's face in his latest videos. Is that the face of a healthy man in his early 30s? He's got the late-stage-terminal bloat that we've come to know.
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I’ve pretty much gave up on reasoning or even having conversations about training, drugs or the deaths of bodybuilders or even health issues in general on here because it’s fruitless and they’re going to draw their own conclusions regardless of what studies or reasoning that’s trying to be made. Bottom line is that unless there was an genetic predisposition people as young as Matt just don’t drop dead especially when he watched his health as closely as he did after he was diagnosed with high BP that even then had a hard time controlling after meds, but he did finally get it under control.
Like you, I never read or heard about his saying he had congestive heart failure. If someone can find it post it otherwise it’s just an internet rumor.
Ed Corney was a bodybuilder that died at 85 so the thought process is of course, drugs. A little exaggerated in this case but you see the pattern of ignorance
If he never got into bbing, you think he would have died at 34?
Can’t compare Ed corney to today’s modern “more is better” with exotic cocktails, I’m sure Ed wasn’t using gh and insulin, diuretics by the boatloads like today’s guys
This is only the beginning, we will see a lot more, guaranteed
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I’ve pretty much gave up on reasoning or even having conversations about training, drugs or the deaths of bodybuilders or even health issues in general on here because it’s fruitless and they’re going to draw their own conclusions regardless of what studies or reasoning that’s trying to be made. Bottom line is that unless there was an genetic predisposition people as young as Matt just don’t drop dead especially when he watched his health as closely as he did after he was diagnosed with high BP that even then had a hard time controlling after meds, but he did finally get it under control.
Like you, I never read or heard about his saying he had congestive heart failure. If someone can find it post it otherwise it’s just an internet rumor.
Ed Corney was a bodybuilder that died at 85 so the thought process is of course, drugs. A little exaggerated in this case but you see the pattern of ignorance
Good of you to defend him.
Sadly he’d been experiencing heath problems for 7yrs !!
Since age of 27!! Likely he didn’t have the best health Genetics
To start with - His choice of Sport & The Likely Drugs he was using plus his body weight
Most certainly didn’t contribute to having Better Health.
Just look at him in his video - Can you really say he looked a healthy 34yr old.
And I’m a similar age to yourself take my gear & competed at national & international level
So no gear hate from Me, Also I contest prep many - There are Very real dangers
And Problems associated with Abusing gear & being very heavy & unfit - Couple that with
Poor Genetics For Health & You’ve Got A Potential Time Bomb. His Went OFF.
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This is what she wrote, emphasis added:
"He was in heart failure" = he had started experiencing heart failure at the age of 27.
Derek Anthony died at 33. Matt Porter at 34. Dallas Carver at 26. There is a common thread here. You don't want to see it, you're in denial, but it's there. Young people die when they take things too far in this "sport," and don't know when to stop.
For fuck's sake, just look at Matt Porter's face in his latest videos. Is that the face of a healthy man in his early 30s? He's got the late-stage-terminal bloat that we've come to know.
You are forgetting one point: He had some dangerous doctors. That is the real reason he is dead. RIP
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You are forgetting one point: He had some dangerous doctors. That is the real reason he is dead. RIP
No.
He had every opportunity to seek out a good cardiologist after going into heart failure. He had another opportunity after drinking a goddamn milkshake almost killed him. He didn't. He never did the sensible thing. He maintained an extremely unhealthy bodyweight, and kept on experimenting with drugs, to his wife's dismay.
So bad doctors are not "the reason he is dead." That's lazy and self-serving. He's dead because he didn't have the brains, mental toughness, and courage of Tom Prince and Mustafa Mohammad. At some point, you've gotta step back and re-assess your priorities.
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Yes he probably had a pre existing condition but the amount of different types of enhancers he took greatly sped up when he was going to experience that condition and also would have made it harder to fight it.
If he'd trained and eaten and watched his health without using drugs at all he would never have died at 34 or been as sick as he was over the years.
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Stephano speaking truths.
Guys who were on mega doses thinking a couple of grams is healthy...... They lie, lie, lie about being on trt. Guys on trt aren't dropping dead.......
Fucking hell it's well known now that guys are blasting the shit out of gear. You have shit for brains if you think these same guys drop down to 2% of their dlmega dose yet keep 90% of their size LMAO. They all shrink when truly on trt. Dorian Yates is the golden standard for trt after competing.
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This is what she wrote, emphasis added:
"He was in heart failure" = he had started experiencing heart failure at the age of 27.
Derek Anthony died at 33. Matt Porter at 34. Dallas Carver at 26. There is a common thread here. You don't want to see it, you're in denial, but it's there. Young people die when they take things too far in this "sport," and don't know when to stop.
For fuck's sake, just look at Matt Porter's face in his latest videos. Is that the face of a healthy man in his early 30s? He's got the late-stage-terminal bloat that we've come to know.
Nothing to do with steroids or GH, etc.
They all had a congenital condition.
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Every video I have seen or saw with him - he looks very unhealthy. Bloated and red and puffed out.
FNG morons - dying early and risking it all for a plastic trophy.
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Nothing to do with steroids or GH, etc.
They all had a congenital condition.
Would you reckon Matt would have lived until 36 if he worked out naturally as opposed to 34 being on steroids?
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Good of you to defend him.
Sadly he’d been experiencing heath problems for 7yrs !!
Since age of 27!! Likely he didn’t have the best health Genetics
To start with - His choice of Sport & The Likely Drugs he was using plus his body weight
Most certainly didn’t contribute to having Better Health.
Just look at him in his video - Can you really say he looked a healthy 34yr old.
And I’m a similar age to yourself take my gear & competed at national & international level
So no gear hate from Me, Also I contest prep many - There are Very real dangers
And Problems associated with Abusing gear & being very heavy & unfit - Couple that with
Poor Genetics For Health & You’ve Got A Potential Time Bomb. His Went OFF.
Shawn Ray has been preaching this forever
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https://www.gofundme.com/matt-porter-memorial-fund?teamInvite=Hy92z9diT2QhmhWKgDGUzWOyy1qTXeGexQk5jeU3LjlplJu1iU7iZzClsKYMMp0p (https://www.gofundme.com/matt-porter-memorial-fund?teamInvite=Hy92z9diT2QhmhWKgDGUzWOyy1qTXeGexQk5jeU3LjlplJu1iU7iZzClsKYMMp0p)
Well, at least the guy that set up the gofundme is clear about his intensions. :-\
"Myself, Tony Friedrich, and Phil Viz are raiding money in Matt’s honor for his wife Rachel and son Noah."
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Well, at least the guy that set up the gofundme is clear about his intensions. :-\
"Myself, Tony Friedrich, and Phil Viz are raiding money in Matt’s honor for his wife Rachel and son Noah."
Whatever happened to the Dallas McCarver Gofund me page set up by Aaron Singerman??
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Whatever happened to the Dallas mccarver Gofund me page set up Aaron Jew singermann??
The money is most likely being used for his legal fund. Trying to keep himself out of jail for the next 30 years. :D
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The common wisdom is to train natural for a few years to get the best "base" for future bodyuilding success, and start juice when fully grown. But theoretically, and this is probably unethical in most peoples minds, I think juicing a young teen could set him up with a higher muscular set-point later in life. In Eastern block countries the docs thought future champions should be pushed very hard at the onset of puberty, girls a bit earlier than the boys. And this was because physiology, as well as psychology, is highly, or at least more plastic than it is later on. The kids are riding the natural hormone boost of puberty and developing strength and skills they can't later in life. It was done in the past and is done now as well in some countries (doping kids). I'm not going into future repercussions of it, it's obviously an issue, but the concept is interesting to me.
I have even read studies done in the west with kids and height where they have increased predicted height with aromatase inhibitors and steroids such as oxandrolone (it's estrogen that closes the growth plates). And I remember reading an article about american doctors complaining about parents asking them for growth hormones for their kids to increase the chances of them getting taller and having an athletic career.
Just some off-topic rambling on my part :)
For Matt to die was too bad, seemed like a nice guy by many accounts and was supposedly very meticulous about his health, constant blood work and heart meds and health supps and Rx TRT mostly etc, dosing very low in the past few years. Although I never saw him say he had actual heart failure back in 2015.
I think this would work before/during puberty and/or while all the "growth plate" type mechanisms are still open. But after that period, the idea of training naturally and building a base probably still has merit. At least as far as the age-old principle goes... "Get as much gains as you can before increasing the dosage" goes.
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Oh, well — he wasn't going
to write Beethoven's Ninth Symphony anyway.
You are correct sir, a tendency which you have shown to have when describing such matters. He wasn't going to write Beethoven's ninth symphony, not just because he lacked the talent to do so, but more so because Beethoven had already written it.
I think the moral of the story is that the practices involved in professional bodybuilding can lead to death if you have a predisposition to develop such things like heart failure & cancer etc (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3827559/ (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3827559/)). The ride is too short and the rewards are too small to take such risks.
I'd love a day when bodybuilding can be completely natural. A day when clean dieting, with a healthy mix of daily exercise can lead to a highly desirable body and ideally longer life, without the need for hormonal supplementation.
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Oh, well — he wasn't going
to write Beethoven's Ninth Symphony anyway.
At least he made his own money. You've never worked a day in your life. Fucking freeloader, always looking for handouts. Go work you lazy bum.
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At least he made his own money. You've never worked a day in your life. Fucking freeloader, always looking for handouts. Go work you lazy bum.
That is simply not true!
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Oh, well — he wasn't going
to write Beethoven's Ninth Symphony anyway.
That's correct as Beethoven wrote the ninth symphony.
J
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Curious if there was ever an Autopsy Report released? We saw them with Rich and Dallas. Could serve as a cautionary tale to those who think they are doing everything right. Matt as I recall was very public with his health information.
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At least he made his own money. You've never worked a day in your life. Fucking freeloader, always looking for handouts. Go work you lazy bum.
Why would he work if he doesn't have to work?
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Curious if there was ever an Autopsy Report released? We saw them with Rich and Dallas. Could serve as a cautionary tale to those who think they are doing everything right. Matt as I recall was very public with his health information.
I poked around the internet and came up with this:
https://mindandmuscle.net/articles/matt-porter-legendary-diet-coach-swears-off-peds/ (https://mindandmuscle.net/articles/matt-porter-legendary-diet-coach-swears-off-peds/)
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I poked around the internet and came up with this:
https://mindandmuscle.net/articles/matt-porter-legendary-diet-coach-swears-off-peds/ (https://mindandmuscle.net/articles/matt-porter-legendary-diet-coach-swears-off-peds/)
Ah, but that only tells part of the story - guess what he did next? From the mouth of his own Wife, no less...
"In 2015 we received a phone call that his dad wasn’t well. We didn’t know what that meant so he went to oregon to see him We are almost always together but I couldn’t be with him because we had just moved and didn’t want to find care for Smokey and find somewhere for us to stay. His dad was in bad shape and I told him to stay, he stayed for 5 weeks on his own and other family problems arose causing poor Matt much stress. Unfortunately his dad passed also while matt was in the hospital. He then found out his BP had been too high for too long and he was in heart failure. He had previously brushed off his high BP because the doctor wasn’t concerned. The head of the heart failure team told us we should look into this because he should have had you on meds and monitoring this and now it is to a point we hope it will return. Thankfully his heart was fully functioning to 55 and 60 is high This was a few months later.
He went off everything (if you follow him you know this) then started TRT doses and did do experiments on single compounds, which I wish he didn’t but this was such an addiction for him. He did blood tests and heart tests regularly. We paid out of pocket often to ensure he was doing okay. Addiction runs in his family and bodybuilding was his drug of choice. He didn’t drink or smoke or do rec drugs. He has had issues still from time to time. about once a year something would happen but we could almost always pinpoint the reason. Last year when Noah was born we had to go to the ER, he had drank an ice cold shake too quickly and it threw him out of rhythm instantly just by hitting his chest on a certain beat"
https://www.evolutionofbodybuilding.net/death-of-matt-porter/ (https://www.evolutionofbodybuilding.net/death-of-matt-porter/)
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Curious if there was ever an Autopsy Report released? We saw them with Rich and Dallas. Could serve as a cautionary tale to those who think they are doing everything right. Matt as I recall was very public with his health information.
WELCOME TO THE THUNDERDOME............. ........................ .....................FUC KFACE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111111111
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Shocking
Not really, ever look at that guys face. ABUSER!
No. It was the fault of those dangerous doctors in Vegas. Always make sure you can pronounce their first and last names. Beware
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No.
He had every opportunity to seek out a good cardiologist after going into heart failure. He had another opportunity after drinking a goddamn milkshake almost killed him. He didn't. He never did the sensible thing. He maintained an extremely unhealthy bodyweight, and kept on experimenting with drugs, to his wife's dismay.
So bad doctors are not "the reason he is dead." That's lazy and self-serving. He's dead because he didn't have the brains, mental toughness, and courage of Tom Prince and Mustafa Mohammad. At some point, you've gotta step back and re-assess your priorities.
No. They got dome dangerous doctors in Vegas. He needs to sue them. Then he wouldn't need 'go fund me.'
Re: Tom Prince: didn't he pose nude for 'Colt' magazine back in the 'day'? Nice to see that common thread of exposure still exists: i.e. Eduardo Corea, Nick Trigili, etc. Lol/// not homo though they just 'working hard for their money.'
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Curious if there was ever an Autopsy Report released? We saw them with Rich and Dallas. Could serve as a cautionary tale to those who think they are doing everything right. Matt as I recall was very public with his health information.
He thought he was too clever with all that bullshit... You think you can outsmart nature by reading a few journal articles and getting bloods? Bloods tell fuck all really, especially when it comes to heart issues.
He knew he had serious issues initially did the right thing, lost some weight dropped the gear, which got him back from the death zone, but then couldn't help himself and pushed it again and his very weak body couldn't take it.
It's very sad what happened but the guy should have walked away for good!
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This is what she wrote, emphasis added:
"He was in heart failure" = he had started experiencing heart failure at the age of 27
For fuck's sake, just look at Matt Porter's face in his latest videos. Is that the face of a healthy man in his early 30s? He's got the late-stage-terminal bloat that we've come to know.
Yeah he was in poor health.... Looked late 40's easy.
And he's there with a 3 year old and he's back on the gear and pushing up to 260 pounds or whatever after knowing all his issues... Fucking stupidity.
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Yeah he was in poor health.... Looked late 40's easy.
And he's there with a 3 year old and he's back on the gear and pushing up to 260 pounds or whatever after knowing all his issues... Fucking stupidity.
It should be a sticky on every forum that if you don't look top npc competitor level within 2 years of heavy juicing, drop to fake natty doses or ideally come off totally.
It's such a pointless endeavour, and ends up a mental condition where you're dependent on the gear.
This guy ideally should have stayed away from social media as soon as he realised his health was fucked and got a job stacking shelves/doing uber if he needed to.
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Yeah he was in poor health.... Looked late 40's easy.
And he's there with a 3 year old and he's back on the gear and pushing up to 260 pounds or whatever after knowing all his issues... Fucking stupidity.
Just ask Meadows and Dante, who are always “healthy” just because they go to a doctor and get blood tears, as if just showing up to the doc’s office makes one healthy. Even if a doc were to tell them the correct thing, “get off the drugs already!”, they wouldn’t listen!
Anyway, deep down all these goons know they’re playing with fire. And they cope by announcing to the world they go to a doctor.
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Just ask Meadows and Dante, who are always “healthy” just because they go to a doctor and get blood tears, as if just showing up to the doc’s office makes one healthy. Even if a doc were to tell them the correct thing, “get off the drugs already!”, they wouldn’t listen!
Anyway, deep down all these goons know they’re playing with fire. And they cope by announcing to the world they go to a doctor.
Meadows seems like a good dude, but he doesnt look healthy at all in the face
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Just ask Meadows and Dante, who are always “healthy” just because they go to a doctor and get blood tears, as if just showing up to the doc’s office makes one healthy. Even if a doc were to tell them the correct thing, “get off the drugs already!”, they wouldn’t listen!
Anyway, deep down all these goons know they’re playing with fire. And they cope by announcing to the world they go to a doctor.
dante was the most annoying with his "be responsible and go to the doctor" tripe, while himself being a 300 lbs bloated sack of sleep apnea.
I remember my "food as your main anabolic" days, I used to get those sleep freezes where your mind is awake but body won't move ;D. Just used to think that it part of the iron warriors' code. Also things like getting inflexible were seen as badges of honour lmao.
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Meadows seems like a good dude, but he doesnt look healthy at all in the face
I can’t believe he’s only 47. Thought he was well over 50+
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dante was the most annoying with his "be responsible and go to the doctor" tripe, while himself being a 300 lbs bloated sack of sleep apnea.
I remember my "food as your main anabolic" days, I used to get those sleep freezes where your mind is awake but body won't move ;D. Just used to think that it part of the iron warriors' code. Also things like getting inflexible were seen as badges of honour lmao.
Break the silence.
Muscle is murder.
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Break the silence.
Muscle is murder.
No, men are supposed to be lean, mean and athletic.
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Just strange to me that we have this outcry and demand for info over Dallas and Rich but nobody is curious about someone who was actually training others and professing "Health". I dont get it. Not looking to demean or shit on him but I feel if I were to die and someone could learn from it and prevent other deaths..... I would be all for it.
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dante was the most annoying with his "be responsible and go to the doctor" tripe, while himself being a 300 lbs bloated sack of sleep apnea.
I remember my "food as your main anabolic" days, I used to get those sleep freezes where your mind is awake but body won't move ;D. Just used to think that it part of the iron warriors' code. Also things like getting inflexible were seen as badges of honour lmao.
I was juiced to the gills 240 pounds, used to wake up constantly in the night, woke up once with my toungue down my throat choking, was getting sick and felt like shit all the time I was also only in my twenties at the time....
I said fuck it this isn't why I got into this, and stopped the roids dropped the weight, now I'm 180 lean fit build, no steroids for five years, don't regret it one minute.
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I was juiced to the gills 240 pounds, used to wake up constantly in the night, woke up once with my toungue down my throat choking, was getting sick and felt like shit all the time I was also only in my twenties at the time....
I said fuck it this isn't why I got into this, and stopped the roids dropped the weight, now I'm 180 lean fit build, no steroids for five years, don't regret it one minute.
Good to hear, what were you running at your peak?
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Good to hear, what were you running at your peak?
Nothing too crazy.... most I would run was about 2300 mgs week for about 4 weeks (due to orals) then back down to approx 2 grams...
Something pretty simple like...
1000-1250 test e
Npp (always preferred over deca) 800mgs
oral normally dbol 50mgs day
And sometimes I'd use some insulin or peptides, no gh as Shit is too pricey.
I'd also swap between 800 npp and tren ace at 600mgs, tren was always a lot heavier cycle compared to deca obviously, awesome stuff though. I was at my limit with 600 of tren, I never went higher as I could feel I was getting wacky at that dose, you could lose your mind on that shit.
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dante was the most annoying with his "be responsible and go to the doctor" tripe, while himself being a 300 lbs bloated sack of sleep apnea.
I remember my "food as your main anabolic" days, I used to get those sleep freezes where your mind is awake but body won't move ;D. Just used to think that it part of the iron warriors' code. Also things like getting inflexible were seen as badges of honour lmao.
He still is huge and likely on gear besides TRT. He’d do that also, say he’s on TRT, but use other items, which like... isn’t TRT then considering all roids are T derivatives. He’s got an IG in which he maintains his tradition of gut-wrenching posts in which he tells fellas how it’s done or provides lengthy commentary on deceased BBers.
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He still is huge and likely on gear besides TRT. He’d do that also, say he’s on TRT, but use other items, which like... isn’t TRT then considering all roids are T derivatives. He’s got an IG in which he maintains his tradition of gut-wrenching posts in which he tells fellas how it’s done or provides lengthy commentary on deceased BBers.
Them dangerous doctors at it again!!!
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He still is huge and likely on gear besides TRT. He’d do that also, say he’s on TRT, but use other items, which like... isn’t TRT then considering all roids are T derivatives. He’s got an IG in which he maintains his tradition of gut-wrenching posts in which he tells fellas how it’s done or provides lengthy commentary on deceased BBers.
Of course Dante would lie, he’s very insecure about the way he looks. Why else would dye his hair and beard, constantly wear a baseball hat everywhere he goes. Isn’t he like 50 years old??
Btw, ever notice after all these years, there’s only a handful of clear pics of Dante? It’s been easier to get a clean shot of a yeti than him.
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Of course Dante would lie, he’s very insecure about the way he looks. Why else would dye his hair and beard, constantly wear a baseball hat everywhere he goes. Isn’t he like 50 years old??
Btw, ever notice after all these years, there’s only a handful of clear pics of Dante? It’s been easier to get a clean shot of a yeti than him.
Hardly any revealing shots! Just parts of his body, like his forearm. Has he ever even shown a picture of his legs and entire upper body at once, like a bodybuilder, which he calls himself. Bundled up in a ski hat and full sweatsuit in the gym to avoid injury.