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https://budget.house.gov/publications/report/impoundment-control-act-1974-what-it-why-does-it-matter
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From what I’ve read, he doesn’t have to get it approved. He just has to inform them. Big difference.
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https://budget.house.gov/publications/report/impoundment-control-act-1974-what-it-why-does-it-matter
In simple terms , the President may not block , delay or reduce congressionally approved aid.
If he wishes to do so, he must go back to congress and get it approved. He didn't.
Gee - wonder if Biden did that considering he bragged on tape about it.
Another giant swing and a miss by a mentally ill TDS inflicted nutcase
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Even if we humor dumbass and assume he's right......that's a high crime worthy or removal from office?
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Even if we humor dumbass and assume he's right......that's a high crime worthy or removal from office?
To the TDS afflicted, using the wrong fork at dinner is an impeachable offense.
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Does that apply to the VP acting under direction of POTUS or just the POTUS?
;D
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Shit up Howard. Your spiel is getting old. You’re almost worse that Strawman and 240
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Ok, but did Trump violate the Impoundment act or not?
Q: Did they get the aid?
A: Yes
Q: Is this another Howard TDS thread?
Q: Yes
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I'm sure with the army of lawyers digging that if there was a case where this was a unique issue(the delay) then it would have been introduced into the impeachment hearings.
I mean, gotta spell out common sense things here or what?
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Ok, but did Trump violate the Impoundment act or not?
I’m not claiming expertise on this but from what I’ve read my answer is no.
This is from your link. He doesn’t need approval. So, your premise is a fail:
“ The ICA requires that the President send a special message to Congress identifying the amount of the proposed deferral; the reasons for it; and the period of the proposed deferral. Upon transmission of such special message, the funds may be deferred without further action by Congress; however, the deferral cannot extend beyond the end of the fiscal year in which the special message is sent.”
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Unfortunately, I occasionally get subjected to MSNBC. The narrative I’m seeing from them is that the problem is the American people have not been properly briefed on how serious this whole Ukraine deal really is.
No, the problem is that we don’t buy the bullshit narrative the Dems and their media water carriers are peddling obsessively.
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Another Howard suck, fail thread.
Total retard
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I might end up being wrong but right now I am standing by my prediction that this never goes to the Senate.
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President Donald Trump resign?
Why would the greatest President in the history of the United States resign because liberals know they have no prayer against him in an election?
Apparently liberal stupidity is infinite.
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😂😂😂😂
Multiple Women Recall Sexual Misconduct and Retaliation by Gordon Sondland
https://www.propublica.org/article/multiple-women-recall-sexual-misconduct-and-retaliation-by-gordon-sondland
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Ok, so you're saying Trump won't be impeached by the full house?
If so I disagree .
I say the House votes to Censure. They don’t want this to go to the Senate and hand the ball off the Republicans who are going to put Schiff, Biden and the Whistle blower on the stand.
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I guess the joke I made about Trump tearing the do not remove tags off his hotel pillows wasn't far off for TDS impeachment grounds.
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I say the House votes to Censure. They don’t want this to go to the Senate and hand the ball off the Republicans who are going to put Schiff, Biden and the Whistle blower on the stand.
In addition a number of House Democrats from redder areas know they're done next election if they vote to impeach without hard, factual evidence. One recently flipped.
Like we've said, every witness at the inquiry failed to produce anything other than heresay and assumptions. Even the dumbest democrat has to know that won't sway 20 Republicans in the Senate, so they know they're in deep shit.
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From what I’ve read, he doesn’t have to get it approved. He just has to inform them. Big difference.
Let's say you're right. Did he imform them? Was it in a timely manner?
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The real question is, are the current charges sufficient grounds to convict and remove Trump from office?
To be fair, , that's still an open question and up for debate.
Obviously, this impeachment inquiry and likely senate trial will adhere to a party line vote.
1. I've long suspected Trump will resign before the impeachment trial is concluded.
He'll fake some medical condition, claim he was sabotaged and head for the exits blaming everyone but him.
Obviously, you can easily counter this by saying, I'm talking out my ass with this "resignation conspiracy".
The logical , scientific side of me would agree, but this is politics and dealing with humans, so , wtf.
2. If it goes to the senate , it's still unlikely that 20 GOP senators would vote to convict him with every dem.
Trump would be exonerated and then :
a. He's damaged goods and the GOP support will drop due to an obvious biased vote to keep him in office. He will lose in 2020.
b. He gets a ground swell of good will /comeback kid support and parlays that to victory in 2020.
c. The majority don't think he should have been removed anyway and don't care about the impeachment trial.
The election goes back to core issues like health care and the dems win a close race in 2020.
You're on crack Coward. Look around you. Western civilization is slowly collapsing and along comes a guy like Trump to stop it and you are against it?! I know you are a cuck but come on!
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Let's say you're right. Did he imform them? Was it in a timely manner?
So, we’re going to move the goalposts yet again? Sorry, this is the definition of a nothing burger. There is no spin that makes this an impeachable offense. It just makes TDS victims outraged for the billionth time.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/op-eds/the-1974-law-that-makes-this-impeachment-especially-dubious
Second, even if one were to make the case that a “special message” was due to comply with section 684 because of a deferral within the fiscal year, the appropriate course of action in the absence of such a message is for Congress to invoke section 686, not to impeach the president. Section 686 states that if the comptroller general, who is part of the legislative branch, finds “that the President has failed to transmit the special message,” he shall “make a report” and send it to Congress and that report “shall be considered a special message transmitted under section 683 or 684.” The reason why the comptroller general did not send such a report is a question for him, not for the president.
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Q.Did he delay the aid to Ukraine?
A. Yes
Q. Is delaying a violation of the impoundment act?
A. Yes
Please read the act and understand the issue before you make an inaccurate comment.
Thanks.
It was delayed because Zelenski was just elected President and seeing how the country is listed as the third most corrupt country in the world Trump wanted to see if Zelenski was legit in the sense he ran on wiping out corruption (much like Trump is doing here). After he saw Zelenski was a legit President that’s when he released aid.
Howard didn’t seem to realize that’s it’s Trumps obligation to do this. Why in the fuck would he release money without finding out first if it would be used to fund corruption instead of aid?
Remember, your savior prior to Trump only provided blankets and MRE’s to protect themselves from Russia. The fuck are you getting your info from?
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It would be really nice if the upcoming report on Russia/Ukraine election meddling and profiteering would implicate the former administration in giving Crimea away to Russia in exchange for splitting the rest of Ukraine amongst themselves....but that story is too big to print as they say.
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It would be really nice if the upcoming report on Russia/Ukraine election meddling and profiteering would implicate the former administration in giving Crimea away to Russia in exchange for splitting the rest of Ukraine amongst themselves....but that story is too big to print as they say.
Who are 'they'?
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At least you're arguing the point on the merits and facts of the case.
I don't think the evidence and testimony backs your side, but we'll see as it goes forward.
FYI< Obama isn't my savior. I voted for him in 2008 but voted for Romney in 2012.
In fact, I don't worship any individual political leader.
You don’t think it backs it because you don’t take the time to look at the facts. This was determined long ago. I don’t worship anyone I can see when someone’s getting fucked over.
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It was delayed because Trump wanted dirt on his opponante Biden. Zelenski was just elected President and seeing how the country is listed as the third most corrupt country in the world Trump wanted to see if Zelenski was legit in the sense he ran on wiping out corruption (much like Trump is doing here). After he saw Zelenski was a legit President After he found out about the whistleblower that’s when he released aid.
Howard didn’t seem to realize that’s it’s Trumps obligation to do this. Why in the fuck would he release money without finding out first if it would be used to fund corruption instead of aid? Trump has an army of government employees whose responsibilty is investigating corruption.
Is it Trump's obligation to do this covertly with the assistance of his personal attorney or is this a matter he should have had the CIA handle? Isn't that what the CIA does?
The CIA works as an advisory agency on matters related to foreign intelligence, and it conducts missions and other covert activities under the direction of the President. The Director of the CIA, who is nominated by the President and confirmed by the Senate, is responsible for managing the agency’s budget, operations, and personnel.
Although the CIA is operated as an independent federal agency, Congress and the executive branch oversee the activities and monitoring programs of the CIA.
The CIA works to:
-Close intelligence gaps through enhanced foreign collection and analysis
-Fulfill the global mission of providing national policymakers, including the President, with intelligence regarding issues that are most critical to the President and senior --national security team members
-Utilize technological advances as to ensure better performance in all mission areas, including collection, analysis, covert action, and counterintelligence
Remember, your savior prior to Trump only provided blankets and MRE’s to protect themselves from Russia. The fuck are you getting your info from?
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And this is where your always wrong.
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I sincerely wish more Trump supporters debated like you Coach.
You don't compromise your beliefs , stick to the issues and avoid the childish insults.
* Being funny or sarcastic is very different from rude, obnoxious ridicule. I thank you for avoiding most of that.
More importantly, you often provide a reason to support your candidate or pt of view.
For example, you accept Trump tried to make a deal with Ukraine, but claim it was for rooting out corruption.
Again, I don't agree with that conclusion , BUT it's the one key point to argue.
I'll always remember YOU reminding me, that full impeachment could hurt the overall US economy.
It's a damn good point to emphasize, considering that a senate impeachment vote won't convict Trump.
I suspect you've long learned from sports, that humilating your rival is bad in the long run.
"Dancing in the end zone" might feel good, but it can backfire by rallying the other team against you.
Plus, it just looks bad and lacks class.
You voted for Hillary - its easier to just mock you
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Was it impeachable that Obama withheld aid (he never gave military aid, he openly opposed this to Ukraine)? And, if not, why is Trump being held to a different standard? Or is this because Democrats including Brian Stelter feel he is violating presidential norms.
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Howard getting violated in this thread like the Impoundment Control Act (1974).
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Howard getting violated in this thread like the Impoundment Control Act (1974).
I doubt he read the Act before creating this thread. But who knows? Maybe the House will include this as one of the Articles of Impeachment?
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Ok, so you're saying Trump won't be impeached by the full house?
If so I disagree .
Who give a f...... 8)
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I doubt he read the Act before creating this thread. But who knows? Maybe the House will include this as one of the Articles of Impeachment?
I read it and I think Howard did too. I'm not so sure you did though.
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I read it and I think Howard did too. I'm not so sure you did though.
I doubt either one of you read it.
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I doubt either one of you read it.
If thinking this makes you feel better, go for it. Honestly, I don't give a shit what you think anyway.
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I did read it, because, like most people , I didn't know much about it.
LOL, it's called educating yourself .
So, I read what it was and how it applied.
THEN, I concluded Trump was guilty of violating it.
No one cares.
You voted for Hillary.
You have no credibility.
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I don't care, that you think nobody cares ,because I care about issues, others care about.
I yield my time back to Prime. ;)
The greatness of President Donald Trump violates your bunghole on a daily basis.
Five more years.
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If thinking this makes you feel better, go for it. Honestly, I don't give a shit what you think anyway.
Given that you often forget what you posted in the same thread, I will take this with a grain of salt. :)
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No one cares.
You voted for Hillary.
You have no credibility.
True.
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I don't care, that you think nobody cares ,because I care about issues, others care about.
I yield my time back to Prime. ;)
Thanks but I feel like I am wasting my time with these yahoos. No matter what the truth is they interpet it so fit their agenda. Either our take or theirs could be wrong but the truth remains the truth and that you cannot change, no matter how much you may want to. Delusions are powerful enough to affect outcomes, but the truth will still be the tuth.
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Thanks but I feel like I am wasting my time with these yahoos. No matter what the truth is they interpet it so fit their agenda. Either our take or theirs could be wrong but the truth remains the truth and that you cannot change, no matter how much you may want to. Delusions are powerful enough to affect outcomes, but the truth will still be the tuth.
Please, I watched MSNBC during the hearings. They only showed the Democrats asking fluff questions. If it’s supposed to resemble a hearing don’t you want to hear the defense. From my understanding you’re presumed innocent in this country. They showed Sondland mentioning quid pro quo but they didn’t show the Republican Congress person discovering that Sondland was assuming.
It ended up being this episode of the Odd Couple:
The Odd Couple - Assume
The impeachment is a joke. The public other the TDS impaired knows it.
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How can team Trump say they aren't given "due process" when they refuse to participate in the proceedings?
https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-judge-napolitano-impeachment-inquiry-1475207
Because anyone can say anything and some folks will believe it, especially if it is repeated often enough. This is what 'team Trump' counts on. What's more they learned it from the master of manipulation.
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How can team Trump say they aren't given "due process" when they refuse to participate in the proceedings?
https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-judge-napolitano-impeachment-inquiry-1475207
The hearings already took place. This upcoming stuff has just a few constitutional lawyers going back-and-forth about who knows what. No one even knows what’s going on there. Why should Trump legitimize this?
Also funny how the Dems always seem to schedule these things when Trump is going overseas to meet with foreign leaders. Coincidence?
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Anything hand selected within the impeachment process puts the veracity of the whole thing in doubt. Hand picking lawyers to try and decide what a crime is in the second phase of this is classic cart before horse stuff.
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Anything hand selected within the impeachment process puts the veracity of the whole thing in doubt. Hand picking lawyers to try and decide what a crime is in the second phase of this is classic cart before horse stuff.
Great point. The whole process has been shady from the start: Anonymous whistle blower who Schiff claimed to not know.😂😂😂. Behind closed door testimony. Witnesses who relied on heresay and presumptions.
This shadiness was deemed off putting by the public. Thus, the decrease in approval even with the Dems controlling the process.
This is why I don’t see it going to the Senate. It will go from bad to worse for the Dems.
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The key difference here is this:
1. Obama was doing it in the name of national security and wasn't trying to gain a PERSONAL benefit.
2. Trump was trying to get a personal, political "favor".
Using the office of the President for personal favors is illegal when dealing with other nations.
This is called abuse of power.
Only if you decide it was a personal favor, and not investingating corruption.
That is the crux of the entire thing.
I posted this before all the hearings began, and nothing has changed.
The trouble is, the impeachment inquiry did not prove any of this with direct evidence, just heresay and conjecture. How many clips of the witnesses admitting this do we have to see?
You, like many other Democrats, had your minds made up before the inquiry.
Republicans did too, but the burden of proof is on the accuser, and the accuser failed.
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Anything hand selected within the impeachment process puts the veracity of the whole thing in doubt. Hand picking lawyers to try and decide what a crime is in the second phase of this is classic cart before horse stuff.
So do Republican's not also hand pick their lawyers? How about Trump? Has he gone through so many attorneys now that they are just assigned to him? I believe the House Judiciary Committee is made up of a mix of Republicans and Democrats who are Congress people. Some Congress people indeed have legal backgrounds, but it is not a prerequisite. Both sides of the House Judiciary Committee have the opportunity to utilize legal counsel, just as it was in the House Intelligence Committee
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If the Bidens were innocent they would have welcomed an investigation.
The entire Impeachment Inquiry was a sham. That is not disputable.
It was a lame circus show investigation looking for a crime.
The country sees through it and will re-elect Trump in a landslide because of it and the economy
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If the Bidens were innocent they would have welcomed an investigation.
The entire Impeachment Inquiry was a sham. That is not disputable.
It was a lame circus show investigation looking for a crime.
The country sees through it and will re-elect Trump in a landslide because of it and the economy
If Trump were innocent, he should have welcomed and cooperated with an investigation from the start, as opposed to obstructing it the last few years. He still has an opportunity to do this, but he won't unless he runs out of Judges willing to delay the inevitable with stays for another day.
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Can one of you brain dead libidiots answer a few simple questions?
Did President Donald Trump cooperate with the three year long Mueller Investigation?
Were criminal charges recommended ?
Did President Donald Trump delete 33,000 emails and destroy evidence during the investigation?
Why are liberals so chronically stupid ?
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This reply reminds me of most bodybuilders I once judged in contests.
The only one who thinks the judging was fair ,is the winner. ;)
FYI, the dems have a published a 300 pg report to draw up impeachment charges.
Yeah, to go along with the 400 page Mueller report which is currently being used primarily to line birdcages.
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I wouldn’t bet my life on it, but, as I’ve said, I still don’t think it goes to the Senate. Now, they’re putting college professors up there whose primary skill in life is to bore people. No way this shit helps the Democrats in the court of public opinion.
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THAT was a good zinger.
But seriously, Trump will be impeached in the full house on at least 2 articles of impeachment.
1. Abuse of Power 2. Obstruction of congress ( or justice).
I know Trump and his disciples disagree, BUT, the evidence is overwhelming.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trumps-misconduct-a-textbook-case-of-impeachable-offenses-experts-say-in-hearing/ar-BBXJonb?ocid=spartanntp
Oh well, it will be on to the senate and we'll see how that trial and vote to convict goes.
What happened to bribery?
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He should be praised, Ukraine is a really corrupt country, their new presidents job before he got electro was playing the president in a Ukraine comedy tv serie For fuck sake
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He should be praised, Ukraine is a really corrupt country, their new presidents job before he got electro was playing the president in a Ukraine comedy tv serie For fuck sake
Spot on. In reality, it’s the Democrats who should be taking the heat for being so casual with the American taxpayer dollar. They don’t give a shit about this issue. It’s just their last shot at an impeachment before the 2020 elections.
By any objective measure, it’s been a backfire and will only get worse if they keep pushing this shit.
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So do Republican's not also hand pick their lawyers? How about Trump? Has he gone through so many attorneys now that they are just assigned to him? I believe the House Judiciary Committee is made up of a mix of Republicans and Democrats who are Congress people. Some Congress people indeed have legal backgrounds, but it is not a prerequisite. Both sides of the House Judiciary Committee have the opportunity to utilize legal counsel, just as it was in the House Intelligence Committee
If you want to follow precedent, then NOTHING that has been done so far follows any prior impeachment process.Yes, in the past an impeachment of any sort has been bipartisan from the start...this was not. If you think both sides had equal representation in the intelligence committee....that is just false.
It's fine, common people know bullshit when they see it and have tuned out. You have to be able to explain the crime in one sentence and have support of that premise. That has not and will not happen and voters have taken note already. Nobody is showing up for Nadler and nobody is watching what he is doing. Whole thing failed the smell test.
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Can one of you brain dead libidiots answer a few simple questions? Maybe
Did President Donald Trump cooperate with the three year long Mueller Investigation? No
Were criminal charges recommended ? No, with provisions
Did President Donald Trump delete 33,000 emails and destroy evidence during the investigation? Not relevant
Why are liberals so chronically stupid ? We're not and neither are conservatives
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I wouldn’t bet my life on it, but, as I’ve said, I still don’t think it goes to the Senate. Now, they’re putting college professors up there whose primary skill in life is to bore people. No way this shit helps the Democrats in the court of public opinion.
Those U.S. Constitutional scholars and lawyers are known as expert witnesses.
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What happened to bribery?
“If the House believes the president solicited something of value in the form of investigations or an announcement of investigations, and that he did so corruptly for personal gain, then that would constitute bribery under the meaning of the Constitution. And it would not be lawless. It would be bribery under the law.”
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/12/04/trump-impeachment-hearing-professors-debate-constitution.html
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Those U.S. Constitutional scholars and lawyers are known as expert witnesses.
& U A 1 of them !.
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& U A 1 of them !.
Not really. I am just another person interested in this reality freak show our country is presently engaged in.
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Those U.S. Constitutional scholars and lawyers are known as expert witnesses.
To me, it seems like Pelosi is getting cold feet. She knows this thing is going down the toilet.
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Adam Shit and Jerrold Nadler move the goalposts half as often as Howard and PrimeKidToucher.
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Those U.S. Constitutional scholars and lawyers are known as expert witnesses.
Matt Gaetz destroyed and exposed them.
Well, except for when one of them used Trump's son to make a joke.
She did that herself.
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Matt Gaetz destroyed and exposed them.
Well, except for when one of them used Trump's son to make a joke.
She did that herself.
Did they confirm that the POTUS violated the Impound Control Act?
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Those U.S. Constitutional scholars and lawyers are known as expert witnesses.
Except that they didn't actually witness anything. They are all Democrats and at least one of them is a Democrat political activist.
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Except that they didn't actually witness anything. They are all Democrats and at least one of them is a Democrat political activist.
An expert witness doesn't have to actually witness something, as crazy as this may seem to you. Obviously, you don't have a lot of legal experience.
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An expert witness doesn't have to actually witness something, as crazy as this may seem to you. Obviously, you don't have a lot of legal experience.
I think you are the only person (in either political party) that is taking this hearing today seriously.
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I think you are the only person (in either political party) that is taking this hearing today seriously.
Joe Biden says he will refuse to testify voluntarily if called for the Senate Impeachment trial.
Well if that isn’t Democrat hypocrisy at its finest. Do what I say, not what I do!
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I gave up thinking I'd persuade most of the pro-Trump posters on here.
The reason I still participate is:
2. They get to see that those (like us)who oppose Trump are regular folks too.
Nobody other than you and prime, think that you and prime are regular folks.
HTH
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Nobody other than you and prime, think that you and prime are regular folks.
HTH
I think you mean nobody on Getbig. Regular folks know other regular folks when they see them.
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I gave up thinking I'd persuade most of the pro-Trump posters on here.
The reason I still participate is:
1. It allows me to gain an unfiltered insight into what devoted pro-Trump people think.
2. They get to see that those (like us)who oppose Trump are regular folks too.
Not every anti-Trump man is some diehard , hippy liberal in a pink pussy hat LOL ;D
Nobody other than you and prime, think that you and prime are regular folks.
HTH
I think you mean nobody on Getbig. Regular folks know other regular folks when they see them.
::)
Try and keep up.
Though your point is valid. When you encounter other delusional creepy people in life, it probably doesn't register with either of you.