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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Body-Buildah on November 09, 2020, 08:52:03 AM
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As we know, a lot of Supps are useless junk. (A few decent ones, Amino's, Creatine, Some PWO's, FrogTech, etc).
Any of you old-timers here ever use Collagen Peptides for Tendon/Joint injuries?
(Geezers only please, Prime, Wes, Oldtimer1, Stunt, Funk, Coach, etc) :D
https://www.iherb.com/pr/Nature-s-Plus-Collagen-Peptides-0-65-lb-294-g/88971
Description
Grass Fed
Sustainably Caught
Cage-Free Chicken
Eggshell Membrane
I, II, III, IV, V, X - Types of Natural Collagen
Dietary Supplement
Soft Skin
Strong Nails
Hair Growth
Gut Health
Joint Relief
10. Conclusions
UC-II administration has been reported to be more effective than the most frequently used glucosamine and chondroitin sulfate supplements in joint health studies that were done with humans and animals. UC-II can alleviate inflammatory T-cell response and activate T-regulatory cells via its oral tolerance mechanism, which eventually may reduce the cartilage damage. While NSAIDs have been shown to induce several side effects, including GI bleeding, along with the renal and hepatic dysfunction causing problems, in the long run, it is obvious that a safe and effective therapy is needed. In order to shed light to the true mechanism of action that UC-II takes place in the articular cartilage, along with an intention to bring better insights to the joint repair mechanisms, the techniques such as immunohistochemically staining and the unchecked gene expression of peptides related to cartilage metabolism should be performed in the experimental small animal models of OA. In the current literature, UC-II has been suggested as a safe and effective supplement for joint health both for humans and animals. It has been and can further be used standalone or as an adjuvant therapy with drugs in the OA management of those suffering companion animals.
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Show me the legitimate studies proving it works.
I don't think there are any that prove it's better than placebo.
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Give it a try.
It seems most supplements do not work due to their ingredients being denatured by heat or chemicals.
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I'm 69 years old a lot of my joints are wrecked. I've taken some of that stuff with minimal to no results. there is no magic bullet. one benefit might be that I still don't have any gray hair, but that might be genetic. recently I've gotten stem cell injections in my knee which I wrecked playing football eons ago. so far nothing special has happened 5 weeks in.
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Show me the legitimate studies proving it works.
I don't think there are any that prove it's better than placebo.
Studies are out there, gotta wonder how significant any improvement might be. (Noticed or not). (Mainly for UC-II).
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7222752/
So far I only notice Boswellia helping (a bit) with some minor pain/inflammation. Im going to do something I havent done in 31 years (take 2 weeks off from lifting).
Need to heal up a bit. Stretch, rehab, back/shoulder repair, etc.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3309643/
Couldnt make it past 2nd SQ set this AM (low back and right knee). Aging ???
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Give it a try.
It seems most supplements do not work due to their ingredients being denatured by heat or chemicals.
Or that it was all marketing in the first place.
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Aspirin off the shelf. Injections of cortisone on the shelf ;D
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I used to buy huge bottles of pre-digested protein........aka Collagen......no results whatsoever.........poor incomplete protein source.
My buddy drank a whole bottle of the stuff one day and shit his brains out for a few days......classic case of the more is better syndrome.
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Doesn’t HGH help with joint and tendon issues? Or even Deca.
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You only need to take about 20g Hydrolysed Collagen per day, but yes it's incomplete protein, so dont add it to your daily allowance.
It seems to works well for me. The key however is that you need to take it daily for at least a 10 to 12 weeks before you start seeing any benefits.
Guys the same age as me that I've been training on and off with for years are breaking down and needing 20 minutes plus of warms before a workout. I can still get into it without any warm up.
I wouldn't put this down to genetics either cos I have a family history of arthritis.
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I use it, costs nothing, hard to say what it does but there is some research showing it might help joints and tendons and skin etc. Even muscle growth despite being low in the essential aminos.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6566884/
https://ergo-log.com/after-consuming-gelatine-hydroxyprolylglycine-makes-your-muscles-bigger-and-stronger.html
https://examine.com/supplements/type-ii-collagen/
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I had rotator cuff/bicep tendon reattachment surgery two weeks ago. Started taking collagen peptides day after surgery. Don't know how well it will help my recovery, but sure seems to be making my hair and nails grow.
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I'm 69 years old a lot of my joints are wrecked.
Have a NICE pain ;D
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All anecdotal evidence.
I use it, costs nothing, hard to say what it does but there is some research showing it might help joints and tendons and skin etc. Even muscle growth despite being low in the essential aminos.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6566884/
https://ergo-log.com/after-consuming-gelatine-hydroxyprolylglycine-makes-your-muscles-bigger-and-stronger.html
https://examine.com/supplements/type-ii-collagen/
Where do you get it for free?
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Have a NICE pain ;D
I do, but at this point everyday above ground is a good day. :D
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I do, but at this point everyday above ground is a good day. :D
That's right Funk!!
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I wish collagen etc worked, but it doesn't.
How about a low dosage TRT and GH combo? Any feedback from oldtimers on joint repair?
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I wish collagen etc worked, but it doesn't.
How about a low dosage TRT and GH combo? Any feedback from oldtimers on joint repair?
Ever tried DMSO?
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Ever tried DMSO?
guy i know well for yrs swears by this stuff uses it for a lot of things,i got some from him my ex wife hated it said even when i didnt use it she could smell it from my body,esp my breath 'weird'
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guy i know well for yrs swears by this stuff uses it for a lot of things,i got some from him my ex wife hated it said even when i didnt use it she could smell it from my body,esp my breath 'weird'
I know people who swear by it as well for a host of things. I used some for joint pain like 20 years ago but don't think it did any better than Icy Hot.
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guy i know well for yrs swears by this stuff uses it for a lot of things,i got some from him my ex wife hated it said even when i didnt use it she could smell it from my body,esp my breath 'weird'
Dmso is not to help joints its a transdermal carrier agent. Allows stuff you add to it to be carried to your bloodstream. Ex back in my day we would crush finnaplex into a powder and mix with dmso and spread pn inner leg or forearm etc. I forget the absorption rate. It worked. This was before tren conversion kits were readily avail.
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A doctor told me that restricted blood flow to the joints due to aging has a big role in their recovery and health.
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Osteo Biflex works.
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I do, but at this point everyday above ground is a good day. :D
;D , looks like you hate nursing home life-style !.
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I wish collagen etc worked, but it doesn't.
How about a low dosage TRT and GH combo? Any feedback from oldtimers on joint repair?
::) but you are "expert" on WHO ............can't you ask Dr.Tedros to help you ;D
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;D , looks like you hate nursing home life-style !.
no I'm still independent. mine's the big one on the bottom level. living the life. ;D :D :) ;) ::)
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Osteo Biflex works.
Wes, looks like a similar profile to Animal Flex powder. It has Boswellia in it as well. Boswellia seems to act like a pain reliever.
Maybe it gives a bit of relief but doesn't actually repair any cartilage? (Relief is a good thing).
At any rate, I'm going to experiment for a while. Cheap enough to do.
The Animal-Flex powder and full spectrum powder drink I mix each AM, ill try it for 6 months.
Full Spectrum Collagen provides whole body results:
Type I - Skin Elasticity
Type II - Joints and Immune System
Type III - Skin, Blood Vessels, Vital Organs
Type IV - Cell Health and Growth
Type V - Skin, Tendons and Immune System
Type X - Joints, Bones, Muscles and Hair
(https://s3.images-iherb.com/nap/nap45961/l/10.jpg)
(https://www.animalpak.com/media/catalog/product/a/n/animalflexpowderorangefacts_1_1_1.jpg)
I may add back in some FrogTech after this experiment, but I dont want to get too big right now and pressure my knee-joints any more.
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If one's desperate one can try Vonderplanitz' lubrication formula...
-2 raw eggs
-4 tablespoons raw, unsalted butter
-1 tablespoon fresh lemon juice
-2 tablespoons raw, unheated honey
Blend and enjoy.
On top of that one may eat raw beef and an avocado for tissue regeneration.
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I'll stick with my Phil Hernon approved Liquid Beef Aminos, thank you very much
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I'll stick with my Phil Hernon approved Liquid Beef Aminos, thank you very much
Is he still around? I remember when he was endorsing Big Beyond Belief, Leo Costa's system.
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Doesn’t HGH help with joint and tendon issues? Or even Deca.
Might have to ask my TRT doc about Nandrolone, some prescribe it these days. (Im already getting bloods done every 12 weeks, so)...
Nandrolone is a particularly compelling medication that has significant beneficial effects on joint pain in hypogonadal men, reducing their reliance on chronic pain medication and reducing pain scores in responding men by more than half.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7108994/
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Is he still around? I remember when he was endorsing Big Beyond Belief, Leo Costa's system.
lol no clue man... I just remember how hard it was pushed back in the anabolex/professionalmuscle days
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lol no clue man... I just remember how hard it was pushed back in the anabolex/professionalmuscle days
He had a great physique but flamed out quick.
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Is he still around? I remember when he was endorsing Big Beyond Belief, Leo Costa's system.
wow didn't hear that name forever.
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Is he still around? I remember when he was endorsing Big Beyond Belief, Leo Costa's system.
Yeah, had a ton of health problems - eye, dialysis, leg problems, etc.. - his business partner in the peptide industry screwed everyone over and then lost all his businesses when the feds came knocking.
He is back in Jacksonville now. Last time we talked he was still doing the bosia (sp) ball exercises.
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wow didn't hear that name forever.
I bought all of Costa's programs. Bulgarian Power Burst, Big Beyond Belief and Titan Training System. Big Beyond Belief was the best of the three.
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no I'm still independent. mine's the big one on the bottom level. living the life. ;D :D :) ;) ::)
;D nice village, I would prefer 1 of those Airstreamers !.
OBW I live in 1966 VW Combi on the beach ;D
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;D nice village, I would prefer 1 of those Airstreamers !.
OBW I live in 1966 VW Combi on the beach ;D
;D ;D ;D ;D
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;D ;D ;D ;D
Never watched those TV series , or hardly any TV since 2018 (4 TV sets in my beach shack).
Only pirated DVD's like Rise by Wolves or docos !.