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Title: Honestly, how effective is karate?
Post by: Darren Avey on January 24, 2022, 10:51:49 AM
Like in a bar brawl, in the real world not cobra kai.
Would this guy own the streets for instance?
https://www.northsomersettimes.co.uk/sport/peter-awarded-his-9th-dan-4501944
Title: Re: Honestly, how effective is karate?
Post by: Grape Ape on January 24, 2022, 10:55:42 AM
Have found it very effective here:

Title: Re: Honestly, how effective is karate?
Post by: bhank on January 24, 2022, 10:57:48 AM
If you are good any style can be effective. But being good is more than skill it also means physicality and this dude is being awarded for 50 years of teaching. He was an olympic Karate guy in 1977 maybe in 1977 he might have been a bad ass. But fuck no not now he is a 70 year old man
Title: Re: Honestly, how effective is karate?
Post by: bhank on January 24, 2022, 11:10:28 AM
Have found it very effective here:



The key to that game is just to do a front flip over the guy and then a spinning back headkick works every time all the way through for a full point and 1000 to the end of the game
Title: Re: Honestly, how effective is karate?
Post by: Phantom Spunker on January 24, 2022, 11:13:58 AM
The key to that game is just to do a front flip over the guy and then a spinning back headkick works every time all the way through for a full point and 1000 to the end of the game

I've done that move down the pub a fair few times myself.
Title: Re: Honestly, how effective is karate?
Post by: illuminati on January 24, 2022, 11:38:52 AM
I've done that move down the pub a fair few times myself.

So have I a few when Slipping on Black Ice !!!!  ;D
Title: Re: Honestly, how effective is karate?
Post by: Cook on January 24, 2022, 11:54:32 AM
I took karate when I was a kid and there was about 20 of us and we were paired off working on some move and I heard some kid yell “ hey!” So we all stopped. He said the guy he was working with just grabbed his hair and jerked him down. “That’s not karate” he said. The instructor asked did it work? Kid said yeah the instructor said “then it’s karate”
Title: Re: Honestly, how effective is karate?
Post by: robcguns on January 24, 2022, 11:59:10 AM
I have beaten up a black belt and I got beat up by a black belt so not sure hahaha.  I knew them both and they were always feared by locals cause they were black belts. I couldn’t care less what skills You may have I love to fight more so years ago but still enjoy a throw down here and there. Sometimes I win sometimes I lose. It’s fun either way.
Title: Re: Honestly, how effective is karate?
Post by: bhank on January 24, 2022, 12:11:31 PM
I have beaten up a black belt and I got beat up by a black belt so not sure hahaha.  I knew them both and they were always feared by locals cause they were black belts. I couldn’t care less what skills You may have I love to fight more so years ago but still enjoy a throw down here and there. Sometimes I win sometimes I lose. It’s fun either way.

You are a big strong dude they have weight classes for a reason Bruce Lee would get stomped to death by the average Getbigger. In real life dude was 5foot7 and 130-140lbs. Skills are great but you have to have physicality to match it as well.
Title: Re: Honestly, how effective is karate?
Post by: kreator on January 24, 2022, 12:27:22 PM
Karate sucks for street fighting.
Title: Re: Honestly, how effective is karate?
Post by: bhank on January 24, 2022, 12:34:23 PM
Karate sucks for street fighting.

Any training in any discipline is great as most people have none in any
Title: Re: Honestly, how effective is karate?
Post by: Humble Narcissist on January 24, 2022, 12:45:25 PM
You are a big strong dude they have weight classes for a reason Bruce Lee would get stomped to death by the average Getbigger. In real life dude was 5foot7 and 130-140lbs. Skills are great but you have to have physicality to match it as well.
Yeah, most practitioners spend too much time learning new techniques. A person could master 5 good techniques or so and spend the rest of his time on getting faster, stronger, body conditioned for contact, sparring, etc,  and would be much better off. If more karate guys trained like boxers there would be a lot more tough karate guys.
Title: Re: Honestly, how effective is karate?
Post by: rick doot on January 24, 2022, 01:34:20 PM
Like in a bar brawl, in the real world not cobra kai.
Would this guy own the streets for instance?
https://www.northsomersettimes.co.uk/sport/peter-awarded-his-9th-dan-4501944

TBombz> Martyn Ford > Peter Dennis > Francis Ngannou
Title: Re: Honestly, how effective is karate?
Post by: Earl1972 on January 24, 2022, 01:39:11 PM
not effective at all which is why most people older than 10 don't do karate

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Title: Re: Honestly, how effective is karate?
Post by: Rambone on January 24, 2022, 01:43:28 PM
I believe it’s pronounced ka-ra-tay
Title: Re: Honestly, how effective is karate?
Post by: bhank on January 24, 2022, 02:21:00 PM
I think we would be remiss not to at least mention Lyoto Machida the man won the UFC belt and have several defenses using a Karate Style. Wins over Belfort, Mousasi, Henderson, Bader, Couture , Shogun, Rashad, Ortiz, Franklin, Sonnen, Penn etc
Title: Re: Honestly, how effective is karate?
Post by: Humble Narcissist on January 24, 2022, 02:38:36 PM
not effective at all which is why most people older than 10 don't do karate

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It has to be modified to be effective, at least Okinawan styles. They leave the head open with no protection at all. Easy knockout for a boxer and easy takedown for a wrestler.
Title: Re: Honestly, how effective is karate?
Post by: IroNat on January 24, 2022, 02:51:58 PM
True karate is a self-defense skill, not a competition sport.

A mugger attacks you and you palm strike his face and side kick his knee, then run away.

Very effective if used like that.

Not good in a cage fight or similar.

Very useful against unskilled attackers.  Only useful against skilled attacks if the practitioner is highly skilled and trained.

Any fighting art that requires constant training to maintain skill is only useful to those willing to invest years in training.

The average person needs a few simple techniques so he can then get away.
Title: Re: Honestly, how effective is karate?
Post by: Humble Narcissist on January 24, 2022, 02:54:41 PM
True karate is a self-defense skill, not a competition sport.

A mugger attacks you and you palm strike his face and side kick his knee, then run away.

Very effective if used like that.

Not good in a cage fight or similar.
All the good techniques were taken out of Karate after WW2. It became exercise for school students.
Title: Re: Honestly, how effective is karate?
Post by: IroNat on January 24, 2022, 03:02:06 PM
All the good techniques were taken out of Karate after WW2. It became exercise for school students.

I took Kyokushin style for a couple years a long time ago.

The instructor told me he could teach me self-defense in five minutes, just poke the eyes.  Simple.

Getting a black belt takes years and requires learning numerous kata which are useless in fights.

The instructor's low kicks and reverse punch was massively powerful.  He was also built like a tank. 
Title: Re: Honestly, how effective is karate?
Post by: bhank on January 24, 2022, 03:22:40 PM
I took Kyokushin style for a couple years a long time ago.

The instructor told me he could teach me self-defense in five minutes, just poke the eyes.  Simple.

Getting a black belt takes years and requires learning numerous kata which are useless in fights.

The instructor's low kicks and reverse punch was massively powerful.  He was also built like a tank.

The problem with that theory is it is almost impossible to strike someone in the eye on purpose it is hard enough just to hit someone in the head an eye poke is like a bullseye not easy

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Karate works you just have to actually be good at it









Title: Re: Honestly, how effective is karate?
Post by: Bevo on January 24, 2022, 03:26:11 PM
I think we would be remiss not to at least mention Lyoto Machida the man won the UFC belt and have several defenses using a Karate Style. Wins over Belfort, Mousasi, Henderson, Bader, Couture , Shogun, Rashad, Ortiz, Franklin, Sonnen, Penn etc

St Pierre comes to mind as well
Title: Re: Honestly, how effective is karate?
Post by: Bevo on January 24, 2022, 03:27:54 PM
I have beaten up a black belt and I got beat up by a black belt so not sure hahaha.  I knew them both and they were always feared by locals cause they were black belts. I couldn’t care less what skills You may have I love to fight more so years ago but still enjoy a throw down here and there. Sometimes I win sometimes I lose. It’s fun either way.

Esfitness would have beaten all three of you at once
Title: Re: Honestly, how effective is karate?
Post by: bhank on January 24, 2022, 03:35:00 PM




He fucking Crane Kicked 3 of Randy Coutures front teeth out
Title: Re: Honestly, how effective is karate?
Post by: robcguns on January 24, 2022, 04:06:42 PM
Esfitness would have beaten all three of you at once

Goes without saying
Title: Re: Honestly, how effective is karate?
Post by: IroNat on January 24, 2022, 04:41:14 PM
The problem with that theory is it is almost impossible to strike someone in the eye on purpose it is hard enough just to hit someone in the head an eye poke is like a bullseye not easy


No, in a self-defense type altercation it's very easy to strike someone's eyes.

Don't confuse self-defense with cage fighting.

Even so they don't allow eyes strikes in mma.

You don't need much accuracy.

Just a slight graze is very painful. 

Sticking your thumbs in someone's eyes is not too hard either.

Requires hardly any training but if trained is very disabling.

Strikes to the eyes are also disorienting which sets up other attacks.

This guy Machado is using mma techniques which include kicks like any other mma fighter.

Karate is kicking and striking to vital areas.

(http://blog.ung.edu/jnash/files/2017/04/Thumb-gouging_2.jpg)

(https://swat-report.net/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Swat-photo-6.jpeg)
Title: Re: Honestly, how effective is karate?
Post by: robcguns on January 24, 2022, 04:56:07 PM
No, in a self-defense type altercation it's very easy to strike someone's eyes.

Don't confuse self-defense with cage fighting.

Even so they don't allow eyes strikes in mma.

You don't need much accuracy.

Just a slight graze is very painful. 

Sticking your thumbs in someone's eyes is not too hard either.

Requires hardly any training but if trained is very disabling.

Strikes to the eyes are also disorienting which sets up other attacks.

Want to take out a wrestler?  Just stick your fingers in his eyes when he grabs you.

He'll let go quick.

This guy Machado is using mma techniques which include kicks like any other mma fighter.

Karate is kicking and striking to vital areas.

(http://blog.ung.edu/jnash/files/2017/04/Thumb-gouging_2.jpg)

(https://swat-report.net/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Swat-photo-6.jpeg)

Like when a dog attacks stick your finger in their asshole.
Title: Re: Honestly, how effective is karate?
Post by: IroNat on January 24, 2022, 04:57:10 PM
Like when a dog attacks stick your finger in their asshole.

Exactly.  Works with cats too.
Title: Re: Honestly, how effective is karate?
Post by: ThisisOverload on January 24, 2022, 05:10:59 PM
My good friend growing up was a black belt. I watched him get his ass kicked many times. ;D

I was always taught to punch people in the throat or a swift kick in the nuts.

Seemed to work pretty well.

No rules on the streets.

I took Muay Thai for 7 years and never once tried to kick someone in a street fight.

No reason to fight at my age anymore.
Title: Re: Honestly, how effective is karate?
Post by: IroNat on January 24, 2022, 05:35:11 PM
My good friend growing up was a black belt. I watched him get his ass kicked many times. ;D

I was always taught to punch people in the throat or a swift kick in the nuts.

Seemed to work pretty well.

No rules on the streets.

I took Muay Thai for 7 years and never once tried to kick someone in a street fight.

No reason to fight at my age anymore.

Punching to the throat or a kick to the balls is true karate.

Karate just means empty-hand, i.e. no weapons besides your body.

They don't teach that in the schools in the usa because people would get hurt and they'd get sued.

Grab a weapon if you can if you have to fight.
Title: Re: Honestly, how effective is karate?
Post by: bhank on January 24, 2022, 06:34:06 PM
No, in a self-defense type altercation it's very easy to strike someone's eyes.

Don't confuse self-defense with cage fighting.

Even so they don't allow eyes strikes in mma.

You don't need much accuracy.

Just a slight graze is very painful. 

Sticking your thumbs in someone's eyes is not too hard either.

Requires hardly any training but if trained is very disabling.

Strikes to the eyes are also disorienting which sets up other attacks.

This guy Machado is using mma techniques which include kicks like any other mma fighter.

Karate is kicking and striking to vital areas.

(http://blog.ung.edu/jnash/files/2017/04/Thumb-gouging_2.jpg)

(https://swat-report.net/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Swat-photo-6.jpeg)

Again fighters try to eye poke all the time the reason it doesn’t happen more in mma despite being illegal is it is almost I possible to do I even posted a video with the top mma commentator and former fighter explaining that. You will get fucked up trying to scratch a mans eyes out it’s never going to work. Tuck your chin bite down and throw actual punches
Title: Re: Honestly, how effective is karate?
Post by: bhank on January 24, 2022, 06:34:42 PM
My good friend growing up was a black belt. I watched him get his ass kicked many times. ;D

I was always taught to punch people in the throat or a swift kick in the nuts.

Seemed to work pretty well.

No rules on the streets.

I took Muay Thai for 7 years and never once tried to kick someone in a street fight.

No reason to fight at my age anymore.

Again you are never going to manage a throat strike in a fight
Title: Re: Honestly, how effective is karate?
Post by: bhank on January 24, 2022, 06:35:50 PM
Punching to the throat or a kick to the balls is true karate.

Karate just means empty-hand, i.e. no weapons besides your body.

They don't teach that in the schools in the usa because people would get hurt and they'd get sued.

Grab a weapon if you can if you have to fight.

You are going to successfully manage a grone  stroke about as often as a throat punch or eye poke these are almost impossible techniques to land in a real fight against a moving target with their hands up in a fighting stance it’s never going to work. You are also going to puss them off with fighting like a 12 year old girl and seriously get your ass beat
Title: Re: Honestly, how effective is karate?
Post by: ThisisOverload on January 24, 2022, 06:44:04 PM
Again you are never going to manage a throat strike in a fight

Well, i did.

Just because you like to wrestle men doesn't mean a strike is impossible.

Title: Re: Honestly, how effective is karate?
Post by: bhank on January 24, 2022, 07:04:08 PM
Well, i did.

Just because you like to wrestle men doesn't mean a strike is impossible.

A fucking throat strike isn't even going to do jack shit. Most people also tuck their chins. Tuck your chin make a fist and swing for the godamn head it is a larger target and will do more damage. 99% of throat strikes are just missed head strikes
Title: Re: Honestly, how effective is karate?
Post by: Dave D on January 24, 2022, 07:06:39 PM
Well, i did.

Just because you like to wrestle men doesn't mean a strike is impossible.

I bet you did this on concrete too…. 

If Bhank says it can’t be done it’s science. He’s the expert you’re the amateur.
Title: Re: Honestly, how effective is karate?
Post by: thebrink on January 24, 2022, 07:07:52 PM
St Pierre comes to mind as well

Chuck Liddell, St Pierre, Lyoto Machida to name a few...
Title: Re: Honestly, how effective is karate?
Post by: Moontrane on January 24, 2022, 07:51:29 PM
Yeah, most practitioners spend too much time learning new techniques. A person could master 5 good techniques or so and spend the rest of his time on getting faster, stronger, body conditioned for contact, sparring, etc,  and would be much better off. If more karate guys trained like boxers there would be a lot more tough karate guys.

Bruce Lee said that fears less the man who knows 10,000 kicks than the man who's practiced one kick 10,000 times.
Title: Re: Honestly, how effective is karate?
Post by: Moontrane on January 24, 2022, 07:55:12 PM
My good friend growing up was a black belt. I watched him get his ass kicked many times. ;D

I was always taught to punch people in the throat or a swift kick in the nuts.

Seemed to work pretty well.

No rules on the streets.

I took Muay Thai for 7 years and never once tried to kick someone in a street fight.

No reason to fight at my age anymore.

I've had two encounters as an adult and both times ended them with a single snap elbow.  Never needed to kick or knee anybody.  :D
Title: Re: Honestly, how effective is karate?
Post by: Moontrane on January 24, 2022, 08:07:02 PM
You are a big strong dude they have weight classes for a reason Bruce Lee would get stomped to death by the average Getbigger. In real life dude was 5foot7 and 130-140lbs. Skills are great but you have to have physicality to match it as well.

I think I read this in MMI.

Mike Quinn was part of Vinnie Pazienza’s entourage in the lead up to a bout with Greg Haugen at lightweight – 135 lbs.  There was a scuffle and the 250-lb Quinn tried to intervene.  Haugen hit Quinn with a single body shot, and Quinn was done.
Title: Re: Honestly, how effective is karate?
Post by: bhank on January 24, 2022, 08:18:54 PM
I bet you did this on concrete too…. 

If Bhank says it can’t be done it’s science. He’s the expert you’re the amateur.

I am not the only one I literally posted a video of an actual mma expert explaining it. Despite what your sister taught you scratching the eyes kicking the balls and biting are not effective techniques
Title: Re: Honestly, how effective is karate?
Post by: Griffith on January 24, 2022, 11:01:44 PM
In bareknuckle boxing, head shots were not as common as with gloves.

There was a higher chance boxers could break bones in their hand when hitting harder parts of the head.
Title: Re: Honestly, how effective is karate?
Post by: MAXX on January 25, 2022, 12:39:08 AM
The art of Kha-ra-theh is very effective, VERY. Let me rephrase that, it is THEE most effective art of the martial combats.


(https://images.app.goo.gl/Y6ZCBtWc5hBQbnHy7)
Title: Re: Honestly, how effective is karate?
Post by: pamith on January 25, 2022, 01:07:33 AM
Tbh Karate is worthless
Title: Re: Honestly, how effective is karate?
Post by: Darren Avey on January 25, 2022, 02:03:24 AM
I think I read this in MMI.

Mike Quinn was part of Vinnie Pazienza’s entourage in the lead up to a bout with Greg Haugen at lightweight – 135 lbs.  There was a scuffle and the 250-lb Quinn tried to intervene.  Haugen hit Quinn with a single body shot, and Quinn was done.

This must be lies.
It's impossible to hurt a bodybuilder
Title: Re: Honestly, how effective is karate?
Post by: falco on January 25, 2022, 03:57:18 AM
Title: Re: Honestly, how effective is karate?
Post by: IroNat on January 25, 2022, 04:02:17 AM
I've had two encounters as an adult and both times ended them with a single snap elbow.  Never needed to kick or knee anybody.  :D

No, you must be mistaken, that would never work.  Bhanky says so.
Title: Re: Honestly, how effective is karate?
Post by: Humble Narcissist on January 25, 2022, 04:51:19 AM
Bruce Lee said that fears less the man who knows 10,000 kicks than the man who's practiced one kick 10,000 times.
He was a silly Chinaman but he was right about that.
Title: Re: Honestly, how effective is karate?
Post by: Humble Narcissist on January 25, 2022, 04:53:33 AM
I took Kyokushin style for a couple years a long time ago.

The instructor told me he could teach me self-defense in five minutes, just poke the eyes.  Simple.

Getting a black belt takes years and requires learning numerous kata which are useless in fights.

The instructor's low kicks and reverse punch was massively powerful.  He was also built like a tank.
Kyokushin is a tough style. Mas Oyama was a beast. So is Dolph Lundgren.
Title: Re: Honestly, how effective is karate?
Post by: bhank on January 25, 2022, 07:44:06 AM
The art of Kha-ra-theh is very effective, VERY. Let me rephrase that, it is THEE most effective art of the martial combats.


(https://images.app.goo.gl/Y6ZCBtWc5hBQbnHy7)

Again Randy Couture was Knocked out and retired from the UFC when Lyoto Machido kicked out 3 of his front teeth with get this a godamn crane kick
Title: Re: Honestly, how effective is karate?
Post by: Matt on January 25, 2022, 07:58:41 AM
This must be lies.
It's impossible to hurt a bodybuilder

I thought that said Mike O'Hearn for a second, who has said he has trained Judo at a high level. I have no idea if that is true though.

Do you remember this Mike Quinn interview?:

Quote
T-Nation: When was the last time you really lost your temper or had any type of physical altercation?

MQ: It was last November. This asshole — who turned out to be a little juiced-up bodybuilder — thought my wife stole his parking spot at Home Depot and started threatening her. She was scared so she called me. I was twenty-five minutes away so I told her to block his car in so he couldn’t leave.

By the time I got there he'd gone into a GNC store that was next to Home Depot. I threw that piece of shit around like a rag doll. I put him through every display in there. But I’m 42 years old now. I tore a couple of ligaments in my shoulder tossing that dirtbag around.

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=427287.0
Title: Re: Honestly, how effective is karate?
Post by: ProudVirgin69 on January 25, 2022, 08:08:14 AM
Anytime a grown man says they get into fights, I know they must not have much to lose.  Civil lawsuit and/or criminal charges terrify me.

Title: Re: Honestly, how effective is karate?
Post by: Taffin on January 25, 2022, 08:09:46 AM
I've mentioned a few times before that when I ran a gym, I took advantage of going to a few starter sessions for some of the martial arts skills - none for long enough to gain any actual skill, mind you ;D

But centuries ago when I was bouncing, if I was asked to work a new/different door, I was always most pleased to hear that we either had a boxer or two, or someone who was good at judo - they always seemed most effective people to have around when it kicked off.  I never got tired of seeing that surprised look on the drunk guys face when he's suddenly sitting on his ass a split second after pecking towards a judo guy ;D

Just my tuppence worth...
Title: Re: Honestly, how effective is karate?
Post by: Taffin on January 25, 2022, 08:10:56 AM
Anytime a grown man says they get into fights, I know they must not have much to lose.  Civil lawsuit and/or criminal charges terrify me.

Absolutely agree.  Jocko Willink(sp?) had made a couple of good podcasts about the power of walking away, and I hear he's pretty tough ;D
Title: Re: Honestly, how effective is karate?
Post by: ProudVirgin69 on January 25, 2022, 08:17:45 AM
Absolutely agree.  Jocko Willink(sp?) had made a couple of good podcasts about the power of walking away, and I hear he's pretty tough ;D

my phrasing was a bit harsh maybe but the point stands ..

robcguns does well for himself last I checked my getbig.xls spreadsheet, I'm sure a lawyer would love to take him to the cleaners for the twink client who he beat up.  We're getbiggers! we have nothing left to prove.

and dont get me wrong, i love to fight.  winning a fight is better than sex, but in this age of constant surveillance and cameras everywhere its too risky
Title: Re: Honestly, how effective is karate?
Post by: Rambone on January 25, 2022, 08:18:47 AM
To answer your question, very effective.

Title: Re: Honestly, how effective is karate?
Post by: beakdoctor on January 25, 2022, 08:25:15 AM
Any extra training in any discipline makes a huge difference in a fight against an average person.  You may see a boxer on TV with an average or even below average record. The boxer may even loose badly- blowout. But if you're just an average gym rat with no self defense/ martial arts/boxing/wrestling training and you step into the ring with the below average boxer you'd be shocked at the difference in skill and power. Within 30 seconds your average gym rat would be gasping for breath and bleeding from the nose and mouth.

Also hand punches and kicks look cool but a stand up street fight is anyone's match. Anyone stands a good chance of getting their clock cleaned. Even good street fighters tend to stand straight up and raise their head when throwing a punch and that is a recipe for disaster.

It isn't glamorous but a good wrestler with knowledge of a few choke holds and a little striking skill will win 9 times out of 10.
Title: Re: Honestly, how effective is karate?
Post by: Matt on January 25, 2022, 08:30:47 AM
I've mentioned a few times before that when I ran a gym, I took advantage of going to a few starter sessions for some of the martial arts skills - none for long enough to gain any actual skill, mind you ;D

But centuries ago when I was bouncing, if I was asked to work a new/different door, I was always most pleased to hear that we either had a boxer or two, or someone who was good at judo - they always seemed most effective people to have around when it kicked off.  I never got tired of seeing that surprised look on the drunk guys face when he's suddenly sitting on his ass a split second after pecking towards a judo guy ;D

Just my tuppence worth...

When I worked as a bouncer for bar and shag security between 2006-2008, I was always too nice to deal with ruffians [or whatever you call them in England - and what do you call England in England? England? Britain? Great Britain? The UK?].

I found literally close to 99% of people were fine, when you have 300 to 1,000+ coming through a bar [pub] through the course of the night, you're going to get 1-10 troublemakers, like clockwork, every time.

I'm nice until I'm not - and one time I really lost my mind at one guy who bit a bouncer while being expelled, who I let in through the back door I was watching, because he claimed to be working with the hot dog guy.

I was then told to go home for my mistake, and sought to redeem myself in the mind of my boss - and bouncer friend who was bitten. I sought to personally remove him myself while exiting the building myself, and while I commenced that, he stood his ground. I wasn't going to allow that in my pursuit for redemption, and bedlam pursued.

I threw that piece of s*** through  every liquor bottle stand there, and...jk.

I grabbed him to drag him out, he shoved me, and a local coke dealer who was friends with him grabbed him and removed him himself, and I went on my way...

At the time, I was strong enough to do that job...but I just didn't have the heart to do it, until people got me angry enough.

Ultimately, that's why I was placed to watch the door - I'd stand around and talk to women all night, and watch their drinks as they went to the bathroom. I was a pretty big hit just chatting with people, and I feel it was a good position for me.

Years later, a friend of mine who owns another bar and knows I lift, offered me a job at his bar, but at that time I really didn't want to. As it turns out, you by then needed something called a "Smart Serve" license to work as a bouncer in Canada [typical Canada - regulating everything], and that's what I used to end that discussion.

Is it really worth it to get beer bottles smashed in your face, or...get bitten, to be a bouncer?

I enjoyed the status it brought me with the ladies at the bar...but it was ultimately not for me.

I was also 195-lb at that time, and at least had some size to make the average John Q. Public drunkard think twice before starting anything:

https://www.instagram.com/p/CY13C1ZPW_K/

^ I could be that size again rather easily, but at 40, I'm literally a petrified hypochondriac now. Plus my weight class is u-80kg [179-lb, because they give you a 3-lb weight allowance for clothes], so I stick around there.

If contest season is cancelled AGAIN, I think I will go back to that size for the summer.

But again - being a bouncer was not for me.

Taffin - aren't you 6'4"? I think holding the size you had is much more suitable for the job. It's not that people don't take manlets seriously - they just take large men much more seriously!
Title: Re: Honestly, how effective is karate?
Post by: Kwon on January 25, 2022, 09:45:34 AM
Matt

Why use Matthew Sea instead of Matthew C?
Title: Re: Honestly, how effective is karate?
Post by: bhank on January 25, 2022, 10:21:24 AM
Any extra training in any discipline makes a huge difference in a fight against an average person.  You may see a boxer on TV with an average or even below average record. The boxer may even loose badly- blowout. But if you're just an average gym rat with no self defense/ martial arts/boxing/wrestling training and you step into the ring with the below average boxer you'd be shocked at the difference in skill and power. Within 30 seconds your average gym rat would be gasping for breath and bleeding from the nose and mouth.

Also hand punches and kicks look cool but a stand up street fight is anyone's match. Anyone stands a good chance of getting their clock cleaned. Even good street fighters tend to stand straight up and raise their head when throwing a punch and that is a recipe for disaster.

It isn't glamorous but a good wrestler with knowledge of a few choke holds and a little striking skill will win 9 times out of 10.

Exactly
Title: Re: Honestly, how effective is karate?
Post by: Humble Narcissist on January 25, 2022, 11:57:14 AM
I've mentioned a few times before that when I ran a gym, I took advantage of going to a few starter sessions for some of the martial arts skills - none for long enough to gain any actual skill, mind you ;D

But centuries ago when I was bouncing, if I was asked to work a new/different door, I was always most pleased to hear that we either had a boxer or two, or someone who was good at judo - they always seemed most effective people to have around when it kicked off.  I never got tired of seeing that surprised look on the drunk guys face when he's suddenly sitting on his ass a split second after pecking towards a judo guy ;D

Just my tuppence worth...
Boxers, wrestlers and Judoka are the toughest people. You can kill someone easily with a Judo throw.
Title: Re: Honestly, how effective is karate?
Post by: Matt on January 25, 2022, 12:35:15 PM
Matt

Why use Matthew Sea instead of Matthew C?

Because some Thunder Bayers continually target my social media accounts for "racism", to the point that there are some people in city who literally report every single one of my posts, until my account eventually gets placed in 30-day suspensions in perpetuity.

As a result, I buy multiple burner phones [different IP addresses], and have multiple Facebook accounts at a time, that I rotate through on a separate IP address, while the other is banned.

I save posts in various folders, and I immediately get the new accounts going and growing through essential a cut and paste process. Since I am always at risk of a permanent suspension, I now save all my posts, videos, etc. I then use those archived posts to kickstart my continual stream of new social media accounts.

That way, I am therefore never off the platforms completely.

For example, here is my latest Facebook sock puppet account:

https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100072797851015

If the account is stable enough, I will change the name to Matt Canning, and keep it.

For now, I have two Matthew Sea/Cee accounts, but which ever account has the biggest reach is the one I will dominantly use - and attempt to behave the best on, so it doesn't get banned.

But it's hard when I have people reporting literally every single one of my posts, and also when anything counter-narrative about Covid is a punishable offense.

This all being said, Big Tech has finally gotten to the point where it has become mainstream media, and I am seeking alternative platforms like Rumble and Bitchute, and trying to get a foothold there.

Literally anything can get you banned on Big Tech these days.

I just got a 6-day ban on Twitter for calling someone a ****ing phaggot. Dumb phaggot.
Title: Re: Honestly, how effective is karate?
Post by: IroNat on January 25, 2022, 12:42:52 PM
Boxers, wrestlers and Judoka are the toughest people. You can kill someone easily with a Judo throw.

Boxing is useless because a skilled fighter will keep his chin down and can't be knocked out.

Wrestling is useless because a skilled fighter will choke out the wrestler who will not go to his back.

Judo is dumbed down jiu jitsu and useless as well against a real street fighter or jiu jitsu man.

Gracie jiu jitsu is useless because you will be kicked in the head in a street fight against multiple opponents and also be rolling around on concrete.

Bhanky says all these things are true and to carry a gun or threaten your attacker with legal action.
Title: Re: Honestly, how effective is karate?
Post by: bhank on January 25, 2022, 12:48:31 PM
Boxing is useless because a skilled fighter will keep his chin down and can't be knocked out.

Wrestling is useless because a skilled fighter will choke out the wrestler who will not go to his back.

Judo is dumbed down jiu jitsu and useless as well against a real street fighter or jiu jitsu man.

Gracie jiu jitsu is useless because you will be kicked in the head in a street fight against multiple opponents and also be rolling around on concrete.

Bhanky says all these things are true and to carry a gun.

I don't need to carry a gun or a knife or any kind of weapon that shit is lame and for scarred pussies pretending to be soldiers. I am more than capable of defending myself and my family with my bare hands.
Title: Re: Honestly, how effective is karate?
Post by: IroNat on January 25, 2022, 12:49:32 PM
I don't need to carry a gun or a knife or any kind of weapon that shit is lame and for scarred pussies pretending to be soldiers. I am more than capable of defending myself and my family with my bare hands.

You'll break your hands, bro.  Then you can't train.

Seriously, congrats on winning Rookie of the Year.  I predicted this way back.
Title: Re: Honestly, how effective is karate?
Post by: bhank on January 25, 2022, 12:51:11 PM
You'll break your hands, bro.  Then you can't train.

I am like Roberto Duran Hands of Stone
Title: Re: Honestly, how effective is karate?
Post by: IroNat on January 25, 2022, 12:52:23 PM
I am like Roberto Duran hands of stone

Head of Stone for sure.
Title: Re: Honestly, how effective is karate?
Post by: Humble Narcissist on January 25, 2022, 01:51:45 PM
Boxing is useless because a skilled fighter will keep his chin down and can't be knocked out.

Wrestling is useless because a skilled fighter will choke out the wrestler who will not go to his back.

Judo is dumbed down jiu jitsu and useless as well against a real street fighter or jiu jitsu man.

Gracie jiu jitsu is useless because you will be kicked in the head in a street fight against multiple opponents and also be rolling around on concrete.

Bhanky says all these things are true and to carry a gun or threaten your attacker with legal action.
Go on Youtube and watch real street fights. Almost all of them are won by boxing. Threatening an attacker with legal action won't do you much good. Do you think that's going to stop a hardened criminal?

Judo is dumbed down for competition. If you drop someone on their head in a parking lot instead of on their back on a padded mat you will kill them.
Title: Re: Honestly, how effective is karate?
Post by: Darren Avey on January 25, 2022, 02:01:22 PM
What about krav maga?
Title: Re: Honestly, how effective is karate?
Post by: Humble Narcissist on January 25, 2022, 02:02:45 PM
What about krav maga?
It's Jewish. They knock you out and then go through your wallet.
Title: Re: Honestly, how effective is karate?
Post by: bLuEeYes on January 25, 2022, 02:05:52 PM
It's Jewish. They knock you out and then go through your wallet.

 :D
Title: Re: Honestly, how effective is karate?
Post by: bhank on January 25, 2022, 02:19:16 PM
It's Jewish. They knock you out and then go through your wallet.

Lol but yeah Krav Maga is nonsense. Fighting techniques for multiple opponents gtfo if there are multiple opponents hit one and run you ain't beating half a dozen dudes. 2-3 at best if you actually know how to fight and it can't be avoided.

Once in a holding cell about 25 years ago I slammed one guy onto another then kicked his 3rd charging friend in the face. All 3 were done after that fight over and no one else had shit to say. But this was unavoidable. Meanwhile my buddy who was the guy they were talking shit about to begin with who was standing right there didn't move a fucking finger to help. Told me later he was scarred to get in trouble if he got caught fighting like ok so you are just going to watch me fight 3 guys who were fucking with you??? They really can tell who to mess with and who not to mess with very quickly my buddy didn't have his own back much less mine. Luckily I handled it for him.
Title: Re: Honestly, how effective is karate?
Post by: bLuEeYes on January 25, 2022, 02:25:15 PM
 ;D

Title: Re: Honestly, how effective is karate?
Post by: Darren Avey on January 25, 2022, 02:34:17 PM
This man smashed up many black belts according to the Netflix documentary about him
Title: Re: Honestly, how effective is karate?
Post by: robcguns on January 25, 2022, 02:37:28 PM
my phrasing was a bit harsh maybe but the point stands ..

robcguns does well for himself last I checked my getbig.xls spreadsheet, I'm sure a lawyer would love to take him to the cleaners for the twink client who he beat up.  We're getbiggers! we have nothing left to prove.

and dont get me wrong, i love to fight.  winning a fight is better than sex, but in this age of constant surveillance and cameras everywhere its too risky

I don’t look for it. It honestly usually finds me and I make sure I’m in the right be it on camera or witnesses but I’ve been to court multiple times years ago and got off 99% of the time as it was always me verse a few guys at a bar or something. I’m usually always out numbered and I don’t start it. But I get what your saying. I just have a hot temper sometimes and I can’t stand bullies so when people try shit I like to handle it. Much less now but I won’t usually shy away if an aggressor thinks their gonna make me bitch out. Also not the toughest guy around just not afraid of an ass beating. I just hate bullies and can’t stand when I see someone bullies so I will jump in. Also like Hankins said above protecting a friend is always a reason I used to have to fight and sometimes still do as some of my friends never grew up. I’ve been called to bars that I used to frequent 15-20 years ago at 12-1 am to come help and old friend out and I go cause I wouldn’t leave a friend hanging but that’s not that often. About 2-3 years ago I had to go help a friend at a bar and I waited for the cops and the chief showed up and shook my hand for knocking out the town trouble maker.
Title: Re: Honestly, how effective is karate?
Post by: Pray_4_War on January 25, 2022, 02:43:40 PM
Karate is like soccer.  It's basically for children.

(https://th.bing.com/th/id/R.cbf39e58c8dc1fc59d8217a130c1d043?rik=IjmH%2fMJN11Gs2w&riu=http%3a%2f%2fi.makeagif.com%2fmedia%2f11-09-2013%2f7uVqiE.gif&ehk=EionoKpARWUwDW7cI8fpsSFZO6%2bZrX2X8wEzWdLDdyc%3d&risl=&pid=ImgRaw&r=0)
Title: Re: Honestly, how effective is karate?
Post by: IroNat on January 25, 2022, 03:40:43 PM
Go on Youtube and watch real street fights. Almost all of them are won by boxing. Threatening an attacker with legal action won't do you much good. Do you think that's going to stop a hardened criminal?

Judo is dumbed down for competition. If you drop someone on their head in a parking lot instead of on their back on a padded mat you will kill them.

Will run this by Bhanky.
Title: Re: Honestly, how effective is karate?
Post by: thebrink on January 25, 2022, 03:42:20 PM
Tbh Karate is worthless

Depends who's using it and their physical abilities
Title: Re: Honestly, how effective is karate?
Post by: IroNat on January 25, 2022, 03:48:29 PM
;D



That was great.  I remember watching that on TV.  Carrey was unknown then and hilarious in the skits.
Title: Re: Honestly, how effective is karate?
Post by: robcguns on January 25, 2022, 03:49:46 PM
Karate is like soccer.  It's basically for children.

(https://th.bing.com/th/id/R.cbf39e58c8dc1fc59d8217a130c1d043?rik=IjmH%2fMJN11Gs2w&riu=http%3a%2f%2fi.makeagif.com%2fmedia%2f11-09-2013%2f7uVqiE.gif&ehk=EionoKpARWUwDW7cI8fpsSFZO6%2bZrX2X8wEzWdLDdyc%3d&risl=&pid=ImgRaw&r=0)

Hahah just watched that episode last night.
Title: Re: Honestly, how effective is karate?
Post by: GymnJuice on January 26, 2022, 03:38:15 AM


Rex Kwon Do >>> Karate
Title: Re: Honestly, how effective is karate?
Post by: IroNat on January 26, 2022, 04:17:07 AM
Does this work?

Title: Re: Honestly, how effective is karate?
Post by: Taffin on January 26, 2022, 09:33:36 AM
When I worked as a bouncer for bar and shag security between 2006-2008, I was always too nice to deal with ruffians [or whatever you call them in England - and what do you call England in England? England? Britain? Great Britain? The UK?].

--snip--

Ultimately, that's why I was placed to watch the door - I'd stand around and talk to women all night, and watch their drinks as they went to the bathroom. I was a pretty big hit just chatting with people, and I feel it was a good position for me.

Is it really worth it to get beer bottles smashed in your face, or...get bitten, to be a bouncer?

I enjoyed the status it brought me with the ladies at the bar...but it was ultimately not for me.

--snip--

Taffin - aren't you 6'4"? I think holding the size you had is much more suitable for the job. It's not that people don't take manlets seriously - they just take large men much more seriously!

Hey Matt

If we refer to our specific country, we'd use England

Same here - I was used as a (reasonably) hench 'pretty-boy' - the proper guys - the powerlifters, boxers and other bent-nose blokes were all inside the venue.  And yes, there is absolutely no doubt the level of female action could be out of control if you weren't careful! :P :D

And no, I'm only 6'1" so as the keeper of the semi-official GetBig height register, please amend your records accordingly ;D


Boxers, wrestlers and Judoka are the toughest people. You can kill someone easily with a Judo throw.

Absolutely - throw in some lifting for strength so you can grab/pick up/throw idiots out and you've got a good team


Title: Re: Honestly, how effective is karate?
Post by: tommywishbone on January 26, 2022, 09:38:26 AM
Karate is pretty cool. All that chopping, and yelling and such.
Title: Re: Honestly, how effective is karate?
Post by: bLuEeYes on January 26, 2022, 03:25:04 PM
(https://mmajunkie.usatoday.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/91/2021/09/georges-st-pierre-before-after-karate-ufc.jpg?w=640)