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With the exeption of some Ruhl most muscular pics and some Cutler ab/thigh pics, Ronnie truly owns everyone....
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/bobchic8_23_big.jpg)
(http://www.bbszene.de/html/mro2004_finals/PA314116.JPG)
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(http://www.flexonline.com/contests/04Dutch/Pre/images/FDBE0065.jpg)(http://www.flexonline.com/contests/04Dutch/Pre/images/FDBE0004.jpg)
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(http://www.flexonline.com/contests/04Olympia/Men/images/mpre0218.jpg)
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Jay's abs suck - they're deep sure, but their genetic shape is worse than Ronnie's. A gap is better than a droop - looks like Art Atwood's . . .
(http://www.ifbb.com/olympia/03olympia/photo71.jpg)(http://www.ifbb.com/olympia/03olympia/photo23.jpg)
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OK.
(http://ironage.us/images/random/arn-ron.jpg)
http://ironage.us/images/random/arn-ron.jpg
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That picture above is exactly why i don't care for the "virtual posedown(s)." Arnold was the man, no doubt about it, but if you actually stood him next to the beast that was ronnie pictured above (circa 2001 arnold), arnie would look like a toothpick. His chest might look thick, but he'd look positively tiny standing next to ronnie.
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That picture above is exactly why i don't care for the "virtual posedown(s)." Arnold was the man, no doubt about it, but if you actually stood him next to the beast that was ronnie pictured above (circa 2001 arnold), arnie would look like a toothpick. His chest might look thick, but he'd look positively tiny standing next to ronnie.
Not at all! Its true that Ironagers use the worst pictures of current day champs because they are insecure little gay men with Napoleon complexes.
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Yes, you can't compare photos taken at different distances/angles and in different lighting conditions. Ronnie dwarfs some of the biggest bodybuilders who ever lived. He would make Arnold look like a little German sausage.
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With the exeption of some Ruhl most muscular pics and some Cutler ab/thigh pics, Ronnie truly owns everyone....
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/bobchic8_23_big.jpg)
(http://www.bbszene.de/html/mro2004_finals/PA314116.JPG)
I know that it is not true but for some reason Ronnie's chest always looks flat from the front.
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This pic is awesome of Pavol.
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Booh Yah
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Not at all! Its true that Ironagers use the worst pictures of current day champs because they are insecure little gay men with Napoleon complexes.
Worst pictures? You obviously know very little about bodybuilding. That picture of Ronnie is from the 2001 Arnold Classic, which Ronnie Coleman fans (almost ALL) argue was Ronnie at his absolute BEST EVER. Couldn't have chosen a more fair pic!
And as for the virtual-ness of it - in what way is it unfair? Arnold and Ronnie are properly sized for their heights, and the camera angles are very close (not exactly the same). It's the same for ANY picture you show of Ronnie and anyone else. Even if they're in the same contest together -- one of them will be closer to the camera no matter what. Face it, Arnold looks better.
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Worst pictures? You obviously know very little about bodybuilding. That picture of Ronnie is from the 2001 Arnold Classic, which Ronnie Coleman fans (almost ALL) argue was Ronnie at his absolute BEST EVER. Couldn't have chosen a more fair pic!
And as for the virtual-ness of it - in what way is it unfair? Arnold and Ronnie are properly sized for their heights, and the camera angles are very close (not exactly the same). It's the same for ANY picture you show of Ronnie and anyone else. Even if they're in the same contest together -- one of them will be closer to the camera no matter what. Face it, Arnold looks better.
Ironager alert!! Lock your doors
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Not in the least. I think there are plenty of great BB's today, and nothing compares to Ronnie's lat spread, but c'mon, to say that ronnie beats everyone in every pose, or that he's perfect is just stupid.
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This pic is awesome of Pavol.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=67814.0;attach=75293;image)
Agreed.
That's the look to aim for.
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Agreed.
That's the look to aim for.
Minus the face
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Booh Yah
Thank you for posting that so i didn't have to.
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Arnold is still my favorite bodybuilder but that pic of ronnie was downsized way too much and its a bad pic. Doesn't do Ronnie justice but Arnold would'a still won that pose. Alexxx knows bodybuilding better than anyone!
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That is one of Ron's worst pics-good choice! They don't know what they're doing to use that.
A great physique. Whoever said something about his looks-do you want to date him? Looks fine.
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Agreed.
That's the look to aim for.
I also think that is a great look, butwhat are those dots above his bellybutton, anyone else see that, maybe nothing ,just veins
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This pic is awesome of Pavol.
i saw that pic before, just awesome...For sure a look i would kill to have
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;)
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Look at that last pic of Jay and Ronnie ( Abs&thighs ). Take a close look at the calves. Everyone bags on Big Ron's calves., But I'll tell you
they are as big, If not bigger than Jay's ( Maybe high, and not as cut )
but I don't think they negatively affect his physique as say,
( smallish arms ) Might.. So let us end this nit-picking of Ronnie's
Physique. **** Look people , we are at the end of 6,7,8 or 9 time Mr,
" O " s Let's cherish It. I think In 5 years or so, we will really begin to appreciate how great Ronnie and our bodybuilders from the 90's really were. Things have changed, and not for the better !!!
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Look at that last pic of Jay and Ronnie ( Abs&thighs ). Take a close look at the calves. Everyone bags on Big Ron's calves., But I'll tell you
they are as big, If not bigger than Jay's ( Maybe high, and not as cut )
but I don't think they negatively affect his physique as say,
( smallish arms ) Might.. So let us end this nit-picking of Ronnie's
Physique. **** Look people , we are at the end of 6,7,8 or 9 time Mr,
" O " s Let's cherish It. I think In 5 years or so, we will really begin to appreciate how great Ronnie and our bodybuilders from the 90's really were. Things have changed, and not for the better !!!
Haney only got better at the end of his eight Olympia's !! Ronnie has digressed he looked better in the first two and hasbn't matched those conditions since .
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I'd like to see arnie turn around and stand next to this!
(http://www.ronniecoleman.net/comp012.jpg)
:)
yes, that arnold/ronnie pic is horrible. Ronnie in his 2001 AC shape or 99 Grand prix shape would destroy Arnold. He would win probably EVERY pose - even the ab and thigh, or, in Arnold's case, the ab and toothpick he he.
but then again, depsite what ironage does, it is not fair to compare bb's of different eras.
both Arnold AND Ronnie rock.
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Haney only got better at the end of his eight Olympia's !! Ronnie has digressed he looked better in the first two and hasbn't matched those conditions since .
well didn't ronnie win his first sandow at the same age haney retired? to be fair, the man has done incredible things considering he's about old enough to compete in the master's.
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Hulkster of course its not 100% fair to compare two guys from two eras but its always fun but remember , if you want to make it fair lets compare the two at simlar weights ;) Arnold at 235lbs and Ronnie at 225lbs seeing he is shorter , I think thats a little more accurate .
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Hulkster of course its not 100% fair to compare two guys from two eras but its always fun but remember , if you want to make it fair lets compare the two at simlar weights ;) Arnold at 235lbs and Ronnie at 225lbs seeing he is shorter , I think thats a little more accurate .
seems like arnie's advantages can be ranked in the foll. manner
1. A more flattering camera angle.
2. A b&w camera. Although Coleman is black and has that advantage.
3. Better calves.
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Hulkster : Wow !! Could you post a better picture or response than that? ( I think not ) Not to take anything away from Arnold. But when will people realize. ( " Or admit " ) That things have changed !
I'm tired of hearing " Well the drugs were different " and this and that.
Ronnie just simply destroys any other human bodybuilder ever !! PERIOD ! ( And I'm a Dorian Fan ).
Peace.
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ND, you go on and on about how great Dorian looks. You, GMC, and Swallowmymuscle keep on harping that Ronnie looks soft compared to Dorian. You then state when it is clearly shown that Dorian looks like ass in all of his Mr. Olympias but two (1993, 1995) that it is the lighting. However, when pics of the 99 English Grand Prix were shown and Ronnie crushed everyone, you blame the lighting as causing "anyone could look good in that lighting." What a bunch of clowns. I have lost all respect for your opinions. You continually criticize a guy that would have absolutely destroyed Yates. You always harken back to the back double bi pic of Ronnie from 1993-1994. What the hell, that is like comparing Yates in 1981 to Haney in 1991. Obviously, the ten years Yates had to grow helped him, although he still got his ass handed to him. I stipulate that if Benaziza wouldn't have passed, he would have continued to knock Dorian out. He was short, but way more symmetrical and just as thick. Dorian should have lost to Levrone, Wheeler and maybe even Ray. However, horrible aesthetics won the day and he continued to win long after he deserved to. Dorian's best pose was abs and thighs, but after he blew out his arms that completely ruined his aesthetics. Ronnie literally beats the shit out of any bodybuilder side by side. Pictures could never do him justice. I agree with the above, in ten years people will appreciate what a freak he was. Remember, ten years ago people were definitely not on Dorian's jock as they are today. Time and absence makes people appreciate what they take for granted. BTW, Ronnie looked damn good last year and 2003. Name one bodybuilder to ever get on stage at 280+ at his height and look good in comparison.
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Nicorulez : Great post ! And 100% true. Like I said, I'm a Dorian
Fan, But In a few years from now people will realize how great
Ronnie was. Not just great. Mind blowing! actually. Here is a novel Idea, Rather than comparing, why don't we just focus on how different and awesome in their own way, our champs were ! I really think we won't see such domination for awhile to come. IMO.
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Dorian had almost no detail compared to Ronnie at the 99 Grand Prix or the 2001 AC.
Sorry, but Dorian had detail in the lower back, and little else.
Ronnie had ripped biceps for christ's sake!:
(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/1999britishgrandprix/47.jpg)
(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/1999britishgrandprix/49.jpg)
the greatest biceps in history (ronnie circa 1999)
When all is said and done as far as Ronnie versus Dorian goes, these things boggle my mind:
Some still insist Dorian was better even though:
1. he has a horrible taper compared to Ronnie
2. he had inferior arms, chest, quads etc. etc.
3. He had little detail compared to Ronnie (and saying he was "hard and grainy" means NOTHING since he had little detail compared to guys like Flex and Ronnie)
4. His arms, delts and quads had bad shape.
5. His back double bi paled in comarison to Ronnie's.
On the plus side:
-dorian had better abs.
-dorian had better calves.
-they were close on the lat spreads.
AND THATS IT.
How in the world anyone can think that Dorian was better is beyond me.
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y223/dungeon1986/99%20grand%20prix/more%20pics/1999BritishGrandPrix_2__0033.jpg)
sorry, but dorian was just not on this sort of level.
(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/1999britishgrandprix/52.jpg)
Ronnie could give dorian a lesson on what DETAIL is all about!!
There, I'm done now.
And people say I am deranged. ::) :-*
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Comparing Ronnie Coleman in 2005 to Arnold of 1974 is stupid. Completely different eras. Both the best of their era. 30 years later there have been major advances in BBing. Believe that Arnold would look much different if he competed now. Lots of things have changed.
Flex Wheeler of 1993 beats Coleman in the 2000s Just personal opinion based on physique preference.
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Well It Could be easily said that, ( Regardless of the lighting Bull shit) Ronnie, circa 98, 99, 2001- ( my favorite ). And 2003, for different reasons. Could possibly be the best bodybuilder we have,
or will ever see !!! Let's face It. ( Or let time prove us wrong. )
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I mean, For F*CK sake, ( Imagine that shot in black and white?) CRAZY !! No one can touch that. The front aint bad either !!!!
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you could see the branches on the christmas tree 8)
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Any pic of Shawn, Flex or Bob Paris!
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ND, you go on and on about how great Dorian looks. You, GMC, and Swallowmymuscle keep on harping that Ronnie looks soft compared to Dorian. You then state when it is clearly shown that Dorian looks like ass in all of his Mr. Olympias but two (1993, 1995) that it is the lighting. However, when pics of the 99 English Grand Prix were shown and Ronnie crushed everyone, you blame the lighting as causing "anyone could look good in that lighting." What a bunch of clowns. I have lost all respect for your opinions. You continually criticize a guy that would have absolutely destroyed Yates. You always harken back to the back double bi pic of Ronnie from 1993-1994. What the hell, that is like comparing Yates in 1981 to Haney in 1991. Obviously, the ten years Yates had to grow helped him, although he still got his ass handed to him. I stipulate that if Benaziza wouldn't have passed, he would have continued to knock Dorian out. He was short, but way more symmetrical and just as thick. Dorian should have lost to Levrone, Wheeler and maybe even Ray. However, horrible aesthetics won the day and he continued to win long after he deserved to. Dorian's best pose was abs and thighs, but after he blew out his arms that completely ruined his aesthetics. Ronnie literally beats the shit out of any bodybuilder side by side. Pictures could never do him justice. I agree with the above, in ten years people will appreciate what a freak he was. Remember, ten years ago people were definitely not on Dorian's jock as they are today. Time and absence makes people appreciate what they take for granted. BTW, Ronnie looked damn good last year and 2003. Name one bodybuilder to ever get on stage at 280+ at his height and look good in comparison.
I'm confident in saying Dorian has an edge on conditioning compared to Ronnie , in 94 he had striated glutes , and a sharp x-mas tree , in 97 his gut was bloated yet his conditioning was NOT a problem , Dorian's problem was torn muscles not getting dry , I also sais , seeing Dorian has fair skin the lighting has to be right for all of his detail to come through in pictures , obviously with 6 Olympia wins the judges didn't have a problem seeing it , you say Dorian only looked good in 93/95 in his Olympias , I say nonsense he looked excellent in 91 ( his first ) great in 92 , 93 , 95 , and 96 he still good , 97 he did not
Concerning the 99 Grand Prix , I said anyone in shape would look great under that lighting , Ronnie looked fantastic in that contest and so did Flex , I continue to critizie a guy that would have destoryed Yates ? well thats debateable , and the fact is Ronnie competed against Dorian on a few occasions and he lost , he wasn't as good to beat Yates so in the few times they did meet he was demoralized
Dorian got his ass handed to him? Dorian was beat twice as a Pro , he lost to Momo when he was 228lbs and to Haney when he was about 240lbs obviously not near his prime , and he aveneged that lose and Momo never beat Yates again , and Haney beat Yates fairly , although Yates beat him in the muscularity round , and Haney retired
Dorian should have lost to Levrone? not quite , Kevin was never a threat , Shawn was never a threat , in 1994 he was trailing Levrone who was ahead by 6 points , he only beat him the posing round , and Shawn himself said he got the place he deserved , Flex was the only legimate challenger , and he didn't deserve to win in 93 , he was lucky that he got second , the consensus was Shawn should have placed 2nd in 93 but Flex's superior shape won it for him , I maintain Flex could have beat Yate and I wanted him to
Ronnie litteraly beats the shit out of any bodybuilder side by side? ol spoken like a true Coleman fan lol No one is denying Coleman is a freak , he regins supreme as a freak , complete with a freaky gut as well , and in the years to come Ronnie will be seen as great bodybuilder that started off fantastic and ended up a complete joke , Ronnie is one the forefont of what is everything wrong with bodybuilding , everyone loves him because he is redefining the word freak , he is a novelity becuse everyone is astonished at how big he can get and how much weight he can move and how low his bodyfat is , etc , he may beat Haney's record but he'll never be in Haney's leauge .
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Oh and here is a pic of a bodybuilder that looks better than Ronnie ;)
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Let us talk about a small waist ! At 260, 270+. Go ahead and find a better X frame at that weight. I don't think so !!!!! The pic above is no where near Ronnie at his best. Yet that Is Dorian at his best. At least I can step back and look at the physiques at hand.
( Like I said, I'm the biggest Dorian Fan ).
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Ronnies waist looked pretty damn tight to me at this years
( 2005 ) Mr " O " What did he weigh ???
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Ronnies waist looked pretty damn tight to me at this years
( 2005 ) Mr " O " What did he weigh ???
Tighter than 04 but still laughable compared to what it was !!
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Another bodybuilder who looks better than Coleman .
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compare that Yates rear double bi to ANY 1998 or better Coleman back double bi and you will see EXACTLY what I am talking about:
(http://www.ronniecoleman.net/comp0029.jpg)
can you imagine THIS shot in black and white?
Ronnie was no where near his peak when dorian smoked him. (eg 1992 Olympia - Ronnie placed out of the top 15)
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Yet another
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Another bodybuilder who looks better than Coleman .
no, not at his peak:
(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/1999britishgrandprix/41.jpg)
(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/1999britishgrandprix/45.jpg)
If the Ronnie shots from this show were in Black and White, we would forget about the dorian black and white shots, that's for sure...
(http://www.bbcenter.sk/images/gallery/arnolds_classic/ronnie_coleman/coleman03.jpg)
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I look at that picture of Federov / Coleman, And I Agree that Federov looks great, but at the same time he looks a mess.
( Does that make any sense ? )
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no way do Gunter "it was a fix and I never even qualified for the O. before!" Schlierkamp and Alex "I may never place in the top 10 at the Olympia" Federov look better than an 8 time Mr. Olympia.
sorry, if this is being harsh, but it is true.
At least with Flex, Shawn, etc. you have a good argument.
But NOT with Gunter and Alex.
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Wow. So far so good !! I have to say that because this has been a nice discussion on this thread. With no hijacking or little internet terd comments. How long can this last however ?
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compare that Yates rear double bi to ANY 1998 or better Coleman back double bi and you will see EXACTLY what I am talking about:
(http://www.ronniecoleman.net/comp0029.jpg)
can you imagine THIS shot in black and white?
Ronnie was no where near his peak when dorian smoked him. (eg 1992 Olympia - Ronnie placed out of the top 15)
Yawn , here is your B&W ::) WOW he looks so much better in black and white this has to be the best back double bicep pose in the history of the planet ::)
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no way do Gunter "it was a fix and I never even qualified for the O. before!" Schlierkamp and Alex "I may never place in the top 10 at the Olympia" Federov look better than an 8 time Mr. Olympia.
sorry, if this is being harsh, but it is true.
At least with Flex, Shawn, etc. you have a good argument.
But NOT with Gunter and Alex.
Guther outright beat Coleman lol and Fedrov is just crushing Coleman in his own shot in that particular picture at that particular time , its not open for debate .
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" I'm pre-gut Ronnie and I approve of this message "
Priceless !!
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but its still better than any Yates' rear double biceps - notice the word, "biceps" :)
Can you put any of the 99 grand prix shots in black and white?
Or these ones:
(http://digilander.libero.it/mikementzer/Coleman08.jpg)
(http://www.beyondrelief.com/images/colemanback.jpg)
(http://www.ronniecoleman.net/comp986.jpg)
about has hard as you can get.
Ronnie had so much detail his shots in black and white would put the Yates shots to shame.
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You have a point there !! Because a photo taken In black and white
will look different than a photo changed to black and white.
( Via, the computer. )
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That second picture ( Back double bicep ) Had It been taken In black and white would have looked even better ! ( ie.. Grainy )
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Here you go
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Still , I'm telling you. ( I'm a photographer ) The pictures would have looked different, " ie.. better " Had they had been originally taken In black and white.( Film stock ) Not digital, and not changed from the original color format.
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Still , I'm telling you. ( I'm a photographer ) The pictures would have looked different, " ie.. better " Had they had been originally taken In black and white. ( Film stock ) not Digital.
Perhaps they would , we'll never know !
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I just came all over my keyboard :-X
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check out Ronnie's arm and quad in an "original??" Black and White shot:
(http://digilander.libero.it/mrolympia2/rc5.jpg)
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from the knees up, ronnie is the greatest bodybuilder who ever lived. ;D
people keep comparing one bodybuilder at his best to 2001 olympia or 2002/2004 ronnie. people keep saying that when dorian was against ronnie he was so much better. you might as well take that picture from ronnie's very first contest and say that everyone in the ifbb at the time while he was an amateur is better than him, because when they were competing at the same time he wasn't even good enough to be on the same stage.
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***A small notation*** But a factual one. Digital photography has just ( In the last few years ) Completely taken over from the previous film stock pics. You may not think about such things when looking at pictures from Ronnie 2005 compared to the famous ( Dorian 1993 )
Black and whites. If Ronnie were to be shot in 1993 at his 2003 form
side by side with Dorian. Things would have looked very different.
What I mean Is that, Black and white film can have a ( Graininess )
All to It's own. Different than Digital Black and white. ( used today ) It's hard to explain.
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Another bodybuilder who looks better than Coleman .
:o Are we looking at the same back?!!!?!
Are you telling me you can't see the horrible lack of simmetry in Fedorov's back?
Oh wait, given your love for one-arm Yates, now I can see you have a preference for everything is odd... ::)
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:o Are we looking at the same back?!!!?!
Are you telling me you can't see the horrible lack of simmetry in Fedorov's back?
Oh wait, given your love for one-arm Yates, now I can see you have a preference for everything is odd... ::)
Horrible lack of symmetry? ::) get serious , Fedrov is handing Coleman is ass in his own signature shot !! why? first of all Ronnie is soft and is carrying a ton of water , Alex has him on detail from head to toe , and he is at least as big over even bigger !!
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He's probably carrying a lot of mass and he looks dry.... but that's not my point!
Look at the picture, draw a vertical line and look how misshaped his back is... It has been debated for long, some people say it's a torn muscle, other say that it's just genetics... I say it's plain ugly and asymmetric.
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He's probably carrying a lot of mass and he looks dry.... but that's not my point!
Look at the picture, draw a vertical line and look how misshaped his back is... It has been debated for long, some people say it's a torn muscle, other say that it's just genetics... I say it's plain ugly and asymmetric.
Draw a line down Coleman's back and you can say the same thing , so its a moot point , Alex is beating Ronnie in that particular pose .
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Draw a line down Coleman's back and you can say the same thing , so its a moot point , Alex is beating Ronnie in that particular pose .
if you can't see the MASSIVE asymmetry with federov's traps at around midback, there is absolutely no hope for you, and proves all of your opinions are based on your nonstop mantra of "ronnie sucks, ronnie sucks".
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Draw a line down Coleman's back and you can say the same thing , so its a moot point , Alex is beating Ronnie in that particular pose .
lol ;D Ok to be biased but up to that extent!
Ronnie has probably the most symmetric back ever! (ok, until last year, when supposedly got a minor injury...)
Hell, Ronnie's body overall is left/right symmetric! Including his infamous abs...
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Black and white...sick!
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Horrible lack of symmetry? ::) get serious , Fedrov is handing Coleman is ass in his own signature shot !! why? first of all Ronnie is soft and is carrying a ton of water , Alex has him on detail from head to toe , and he is at least as big over even bigger !!
nd.. sorry but coleman owns frederov in that pic... looat the the seperation and lats....
cmnon man...even a blind man could see that
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ND, If you read my post, I even mentioned that back double bi pic of Ronnie vs Yates. It was circa 1994 and that was way before Ronnie hit his stride. Once again, Dorian (who I like but is not in Ronnie's or Lee Haney's league) was at or near his peak and Ronnie was just getting started. Remember, Ronnie worked full time as a cop for years until he took up BB full time. Look at the changes from Ronnie 1988 to 1998. That is mindblowing. Nobody, and I mean nobody, can beat Coleman from the front. It is debateable if anyone can beat him from the back (Yates 1993 was close, but no cigar). Yates did not look that great in 1992; he won because Haney was not there. End of story. In 1994 and 1996 he looked bloated. His arms were screwed by 1996 anyway, so his symmetry was shot. You bring up Benaziza; he could have gone toe to toe with Yates and you know this. His back was equal and his conditioning was supreme. His only fault was his height. Yates never had his taper, and he would not have beaten an in shape 210-215 pound Benaziza who was five feet tall. Dude was the ultimate freak show. Levrone could have definitely beaten Yates; his back was wide enough. He just never had the mass in his legs the later years that he had when he turned pro. Could you imagine if Levrone had the work ethic of a Yates or Coleman. We could very well be talking about the greatest bodybuilder ever. Regardless, when all is said and done Coleman will the one who took the sport to a different, freaky, level. I agree, I like Flex and Haney, but Coleman has taken bodybuilding to a different level. Will we see it again, we shall see. BTW, Fedarov has awesome arms and back, but turn him around and his blocky waist and screwed up chest totally make this comparison uninteresting...Coleman hammers him big time.
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ND...here is a picture of your boy in the relaxed pose. This was later in his career so don't spout out about it being 1991...his hair is short. Look at the symmetry, the taper, the incredibly cut thighs ::). Unfreakinbelievable....t he best there ever was. i was so wrong. ;)
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ND...here is a picture of your boy in the relaxed pose. This was later in his career so don't spout out about it being 1991...his hair is short. Look at the symmetry, the taper, the incredibly cut thighs ::). Unfreakinbelievable....t he best there ever was. i was so wrong. ;)
Awesome capture reeks charisma!
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hahahahahahahaha
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(http://www.ronniecoleman.net/bwcoleman0edecbab.jpg)
more black and white Coleman.
If the 99 grand prix shots had been taken in black and white, with that detail and lighting, it would have been game over.
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I'm sorry, but Dorian simply did not know how to hit a rear double bi. He needed to take a deep breath and arch his back. In his version, he always looks hunchbacked and scrunched up at the shoulders.
Now the guy who just came in 8th at the master's O knows how to hit the pose. So does Chick for that matter.
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225 Ronnie vs. I'm guessing about a 225 MM.
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personally, I think at 225 pounds, Ronnie looks weird - his frame does not look good with that amount of muscle - his arms overpower his chest.
He needed to be around 245 or so to fill out (eg. 98 Olympia etc)
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Remind me again why they have to be compared at about the same weight? ::) Irrelevant; comparisons in shape are what matters.
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Blows Ronnie away
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Great shot. Not better than Ron in shape though.
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I would say Rhul looks the better of the 2 in this pic.
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Another
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OWNED !! >:( 100% natural
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I mean, For F*CK sake, ( Imagine that shot in black and white?) CRAZY !! No one can touch that. The front aint bad either !!!!
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ND, you are usually a levelheaded knowledgeable guy, so its really strange how
DLEUSIONAL AND DESPERATE you are when dealing with ronnie coleman.
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ND, you are usually a levelheaded knowledgeable guy, so its really strange how
DLEUSIONAL AND DESPERATE you are when dealing with ronnie coleman.
Well if you don't agree with me , feel free to explain why .
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what i don't get are the claims that ronnie near the beginning of his olympia reign wasn't incredible, as nd attempts to do. flex wasn't his 93 best, but still incredible. nasser was near his peak. levrone as well, not to mention chris cormier in 1999 or shawn ray always up there. sure in 2001 and 2004 he was the "established" champion and got some gimmes, but in 1998 he was the underdog, he was a lower-ranked guy and a met-rx athlete.
if politics were what gave him his victories, the late 1990s make no sense because wheeler should have taken it. he was the favorite, the classical physique, far less blocky than dorian, and he'd just had a kid. on paper he was the clear winner. yet apparently the lackluster and gut-ridden ronnie coleman was given a victory just to piss everyone off.
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My theory: the more handsome the face, the more aesthetic the physique. ;)
Well stick the degree you earned at University lol explain Thierry Pastel , Professor ;) and handsome is way to subjective a term .
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what i don't get are the claims that ronnie near the beginning of his olympia reign wasn't incredible, as nd attempts to do. flex wasn't his 93 best, but still incredible. nasser was near his peak. levrone as well, not to mention chris cormier in 1999 or shawn ray always up there. sure in 2001 and 2004 he was the "established" champion and got some gimmes, but in 1998 he was the underdog, he was a lower-ranked guy and a met-rx athlete.
if politics were what gave him his victories, the late 1990s make no sense because wheeler should have taken it. he was the favorite, the classical physique, far less blocky than dorian, and he'd just had a kid. on paper he was the clear winner. yet apparently the lackluster and gut-ridden ronnie coleman was given a victory just to piss everyone off.
Who is claiming Ronnie was great looking in 1998? I've maintained he looked excellent from 96 to about the 2001 ASC ???
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Well I'm not denying that there are a few exceptions lol.
Is this a scan of yours? It appears to be one - in which case I plan to steal it. ;)
Yeah its my scan , you can usually tell because there is a line down the middle of the pic for some unknown reason , I've cleaned the scanner and its still there , who knows , I've noticed on other sites people have using my scans and putting their watermarks on them lol but hey its the internet let everyone share the pics .
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=67814.0;attach=75496;image)
what a completely fair pic. I guess ronnie fully relaxing and inhaling compares well to kevin's fully flexed most muscular variation! ::)
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=67814.0;attach=75380;image)
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/coleman/rc199.jpg)
hmmm... there doesn't seem to be many shots of Ronnie "just standing there" in his pre-gut form- other than contest pics of course. Pre-gut Ronnie always looked amazing standing relaxed due to his cartoon like taper:
(http://www.bigroncoleman.com/media/Arnold.06_LG.jpg)
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I would say Rhul looks the better of the 2 in this pic.
More "iron age quality" comparisons: in one, Coleman's sideways while Ruhl's facing forward, in the other Lavrone's flexing and Coleman's not. ::) Maybe try something you're better at-golf?
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More "iron age quality" comparisons: in one, Coleman's sideways while Ruhl's facing forward, in the other Lavrone's flexing and Coleman's not. ::) Maybe try something you're better at-golf?
Yeah, that was a pretty lame comparison :P
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ND is a true ironager. Right on down to the double standards and shitty comparisons! 8)
Seriously ND - no one but you can understand your hatred of Ronnie's physique, given that you love Dorian.
but yet you also love Zane and Steve Revees.
Man, your ideal physiques are all over the place!
Get some consistency man!
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If Ronnie Coleman was a girl, he'd have some pretty good dick-suckin' lips. And hes halfway there, hes already preggers.
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ND is a true ironager. Right on down to the double standards and shitty comparisons! 8)
Seriously ND - no one but you can understand your hatred of Ronnie's physique, given that you love Dorian.
but yet you also love Zane and Steve Revees.
Man, your ideal physiques are all over the place!
Get some consistency man!
ND is like a woman, he doesn't know what he wants ;D
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Well they can't say that this isnt as perfect as It gets. I mean what is there to pick apart here. ( Im sure the Ronnie haters will find something ). The dude is smokin It up here !! CASE OVER !!!!
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=67338.0;attach=75473)
:o much better then Ronnie at least 240 of fatt dont have a GUT
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O' By the way. Ronnie Destroys Haney here ! Complete dominance...
" Yea but Haney is a legend " Blah, blah, blah,.. Is everyone forgetting that you are seeing a " LEGEND " In Ronnie. Not a past legend either.
One that has, or will have 9 Mr Olympia's. Ronnie Is the best ever Just deal!
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(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/coleman/rc199.jpg)
In that shot, Ronnie looks a lot better than this:
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/yates/dy117.jpg)
:)
ps from this moment on NO DORIAN FAN SHALL BE ALLOWED TO GO ON ABOUT RONNIE'S "50 INCH WAIST" WHEN YOUR HERO SET A NEW RECORD FOR WAIST SIZE IN 1997!!:
(http://www.getbig.com/pics/olympia/1997/mro-p81.jpg)
(http://www.getbig.com/pics/olympia/1997/mro-p88.jpg)
(http://www.getbig.com/pics/olympia/1997/mro-p97.jpg)
(http://www.getbig.com/pics/olympia/1997/mro-p96.jpg)
(http://www.getbig.com/pics/olympia/1997/mro-p99.jpg)
(http://www.getbig.com/pics/olympia/1997/mro-p30.jpg)
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Zane, Reeves, Yates-all about the same size armz. ;D
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ronnie's X-frame in that ab and thigh is sick.
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Horrible lack of symmetry? ::) get serious , Fedrov is handing Coleman is ass in his own signature shot !! why? first of all Ronnie is soft and is carrying a ton of water , Alex has him on detail from head to toe , and he is at least as big over even bigger !!
Are you shittin me !??? You're just a Ronnie hater ! Yeah , Gunter beat Big Ron,,but who's Mr. O !?????? Gunter should have come in shape, and beat Ron the next year,,,but what happened !?????? Ronnie destroyed everyone!!!!!
Wake up ! Stop living in the past,,it's a new day ,,with the same OLD CHAMP !!!!!! BIG BAD RONNIE COLEMAN !!!
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(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/coleman/rc199.jpg)
In that shot, Ronnie looks a lot better than this:
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/yates/dy117.jpg)
:)
ps from this moment on NO DORIAN FAN SHALL BE ALLOWED TO GO ON ABOUT RONNIE'S "50 INCH WAIST" WHEN YOUR HERO SET A NEW RECORD FOR WAIST SIZE IN 1997!!:
(http://www.getbig.com/pics/olympia/1997/mro-p81.jpg)
(http://www.getbig.com/pics/olympia/1997/mro-p88.jpg)
(http://www.getbig.com/pics/olympia/1997/mro-p97.jpg)
(http://www.getbig.com/pics/olympia/1997/mro-p96.jpg)
(http://www.getbig.com/pics/olympia/1997/mro-p99.jpg)
(http://www.getbig.com/pics/olympia/1997/mro-p30.jpg)
Dorian looks like a lump of coal that some bad kid got on Christmas :-\
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I think this is a better look and healthy to achieve............. ;) ;)
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ND is a true ironager. Right on down to the double standards and shitty comparisons! 8)
Seriously ND - no one but you can understand your hatred of Ronnie's physique, given that you love Dorian.
but yet you also love Zane and Steve Revees.
Man, your ideal physiques are all over the place!
Get some consistency man!
It appears you can't have a debate without deviating from the facts , you know Dorian is no where near my ideal physique or a classic physique , however for this debate Dorian in my opinion is better than Coleman , its a case of one being the lesser of two evils !! ;)
No double standards , no hatered of Ronnie's phsyique , I'm not a huge fan of his phsyique , I think at one time he was a fantastic bodybuilder and he has fallen a LONG way from that , if you want to debate okay by me , but stick to the facts , and the fact is I was routing for Flex !!
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(http://www.getbig.com/pics/olympia/1997/mro-p30.jpg)
Yates legs were so big its was crazy. he is about 270lbs in this pic. I saw him at 300lbs and the looked unreal.
But when he dieted to the 250-255lb mark his legs really seemed to get kinda flat.
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It appears you can't have a debate without deviating from the facts , you know Dorian is no where near my ideal physique or a classic physique , however for this debate Dorian in my opinion is better than Coleman , its a case of one being the lesser of two evils !! ;)
No double standards , no hatered of Ronnie's phsyique , I'm not a huge fan of his phsyique , I think at one time he was a fantastic bodybuilder and he has fallen a LONG way from that , if you want to debate okay by me , but stick to the facts , and the fact is I was routing for Flex !!
if Dorian is no where near your ideal or classic phsique then WHY do you:
1. say he has great legs when everyone can see that he has piss poor cuts and thigh sweep.
2. have argued in the past that Yates arms are better than ronnie's when everyone can see that they suck from most angles.
3. argue that he had a great taper when everyone can see that his really wide waist prevents this from happening
4. say his back double biceps pose is amazing, yet almost all shots show that it is not at Ronnie's level.
5. say he has a great chest (using a quote from some moron saying he had the best side chest shot) when his chest was certainly nothing special
6. Ignore the fact that, given his inferior arms and chest, his most muscular is horrible.
7. have said over on that other board that Yates was 'the last great Mr. Olympia"
8. ignore the fact that he had little striations except for his lower back.
9. Ignore the fact that he had little vascularity (adds impressiveness)
Answers please.
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cutler 2001 more then held his own with coleman 2001, i think the same in 2005 as well
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cutler 2001 more then held his own with coleman 2001, i think the same in 2005 as well
get them to turn around.
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heres a couple
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Pre gut cutler looks pretty good, went downhill after 2003.
(http://www.flexonline.com/05contests/05Olympia/men/pre2/images/aabn0245.jpg)
(http://www.flexonline.com/05contests/05Olympia/men/pre2/images/aabn0246.jpg)
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if Dorian is no where near your ideal or classic phsique then WHY do you:
1. say he has great legs when everyone can see that he has piss poor cuts and thigh sweep.
2. have argued in the past that Yates arms are better than ronnie's when everyone can see that they suck from most angles.
3. argue that he had a great taper when everyone can see that his really wide waist prevents this from happening
4. say his back double biceps pose is amazing, yet almost all shots show that it is not at Ronnie's level.
5. say he has a great chest (using a quote from some moron saying he had the best side chest shot) when his chest was certainly nothing special
6. Ignore the fact that, given his inferior arms and chest, his most muscular is horrible.
7. have said over on that other board that Yates was 'the last great Mr. Olympia"
8. ignore the fact that he had little striations except for his lower back.
9. Ignore the fact that he had little vascularity (adds impressiveness)
Answers please.
1) piss poor cuts and sweep? lol the only problem with Yates' quads is upper/separation and his sweep is good not fantastic but that doesn't matter he beat Flex who had a much better quad sweep
2) I've argued Yates has better overall arms , meaning better triceps , and forearms and a balance throughout his entire arms , Coleman has medicore triceps development , amazing biceps , and bowling pin shaped forearms that are to small for his biceps/triceps
3) You're just loopy if you don't think he had a great taper even with a " wide " waist , he had one of the widest backs ever in the sport , and lets entertain your moronic statement he has no taper , then why doesn't he look like Cutler in the ab-thigh? ;) and at this point Cutler may be just as wide as Yates was
4) Dorian's back double bicep shot is amazing , especially that one with the green backround , its amazing because of the balance & proportion , the size , shape and detail , from top to bottom , its the whole package and he has it in his prime condition
5) He chest was nothing special? you keep grasping at straws he has a awesome sidechest shot , and it was Ronnie himself who said " He had the best side-chest pose and the thickest freakiest back I have ever seen. " this is King Coleman saying this , so if you think Coleman is a moron for saying that , I diagree lol
6) For you to say you don't like his most muscular and prefer Ronnie's is one thing , to say its horrible shows your bias and outright stupidty
7) I do feel he is the last great Mr Olympia , especially looking at at what Coleman has become
8) another lame assesment , one striations are genetic , two he had pleanty , especially in his x-mas tree and midback which was razor sharp and those really cool ass striations ::) and had pleanty in his chest , and conditioning was never an issue for Yates , Peter McGough described Yates condition as " having tissue paper for skin " and check his midsection , it was shredded , striations in the intercostals , excellent abs
9) you're grasping straws if you're trying to use that as an edge
Bottom line , Yates beat pleanty of guys with , better shape , symmetry , vascularity , aesthetics , smaller waists , striations , quad sweep , more mass , less mass , hes beaten guys with better biceps , triceps , quads , chests , delts , hes beaten taller guys , heavier guys , in fact he has beat almost every single person he ever faced , he lost only twice and avenged one of those loses , and one he beat in the muscularity round , hypothetically speaking if Dorian didn't tear as many muscles and continued to compete Ronnie would have NEVER beaten Yates no matter what condition he acchived .
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This pic still blows any pic of Ronnie away. Put this pic up against thebest pic of Ronnie ever in history, in Life Magazine, Time Magazine, Readers Digest, Newsweek, Sports Illustrated, and on the home page of Yahoo and Google. Have a poll where people can only vote once. And I bet Pavol would slam Ronnie in votes by 3 to 1
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This pic still blows any pic of Ronnie away. Put this pic up against thebest pic of Ronnie ever in history, in Life Magazine, Time Magazine, Readers Digest, Newsweek, Sports Illustrated, and on the home page of Yahoo and Google. Have a poll where people can only vote once. And I bet Pavol would slam Ronnie in votes by 3 to 1
No, it doesn't. Ronnie looks better in numerous pictures.
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1) piss poor cuts and sweep? lol the only problem with Yates' quads is upper/separation and his sweep is good not fantastic but that doesn't matter he beat Flex who had a much better quad sweep
2) I've argued Yates has better overall arms , meaning better triceps , and forearms and a balance throughout his entire arms , Coleman has medicore triceps development , amazing biceps , and bowling pin shaped forearms that are to small for his biceps/triceps
3) You're just loopy if you don't think he had a great taper even with a " wide " waist , he had one of the widest backs ever in the sport , and lets entertain your moronic statement he has no taper , then why doesn't he look like Cutler in the ab-thigh? and at this point Cutler may be just as wide as Yates was
4) Dorian's back double bicep shot is amazing , especially that one with the green backround , its amazing because of the balance & proportion , the size , shape and detail , from top to bottom , its the whole package and he has it in his prime condition
5) He chest was nothing special? you keep grasping at straws he has a awesome sidechest shot , and it was Ronnie himself who said " He had the best side-chest pose and the thickest freakiest back I have ever seen. " this is King Coleman saying this , so if you think Coleman is a moron for saying that , I diagree lol
6) For you to say you don't like his most muscular and prefer Ronnie's is one thing , to say its horrible shows your bias and outright stupidty
7) I do feel he is the last great Mr Olympia , especially looking at at what Coleman has become
another lame assesment , one striations are genetic , two he had pleanty , especially in his x-mas tree and midback which was razor sharp and those really cool ass striations and had pleanty in his chest , and conditioning was never an issue for Yates , Peter McGough described Yates condition as " having tissue paper for skin " and check his midsection , it was shredded , striations in the intercostals , excellent abs
9) you're grasping straws if you're trying to use that as an edge
Bottom line , Yates beat pleanty of guys with , better shape , symmetry , vascularity , aesthetics , smaller waists , striations , quad sweep , more mass , less mass , hes beaten guys with better biceps , triceps , quads , chests , delts , hes beaten taller guys , heavier guys , in fact he has beat almost every single person he ever faced , he lost only twice and avenged one of those loses , and one he beat in the muscularity round , hypothetically speaking if Dorian didn't tear as many muscles and continued to compete Ronnie would have NEVER beaten Yates no matter what condition he acchived .
Blah, blah, blah, blah..
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Join a debating society, ya lost me after the first speech sentence.
I don't care what you've always "argued", Yates' arms have always been mediocre, are overshadowed by the torso, and aren't in the superstar realm. Trying to rationalize by breaking it down Ron's bis & tris is meaningless-Arnold's bis were better than his tris-so what? Great arms don't have to have perfect balance.
Yates' arm weakness infects many poses such as most muscular and back double bis-"amazing"? It almost looks like he doesn't have bis in that shot!.
Then there's that matter of the "H" taper.. ;D
He is not one of the superstars in the rarified air of Ron, Oliva & Schwarzenegger. Yates is right there with Haney, firmly in the second tier.
If you can't see that, try something else like golf. ;D
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If better balance means a better muscle group then I have better legs than Tom Platz ;D
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I tried golf , I have a bad habbit of slicing >:( and that was for Hulkster he wanted answers and got them .
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I tried golf , I have a bad habbit of slicing >:( and that was for Hulkster he wanted answers and got them .
I have a bad habbit of slicing...this makes you sound deranged :-\
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How about Bertil?
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How about Bertil?
Whatever happened to Bertil? He seems to have disappeared.
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nope:
(http://digilander.libero.it/mikementzer/Coleman08.jpg)
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can Pavol look better than this?
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/coleman/rc230.jpg)
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can Pavol look better than this?
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/coleman/rc230.jpg)
Yes and he is relaxed. Like I said the majority of the population would pick Pavol over Ronnie everyday of the week and twice on Sunday.
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Pavol looks sick right there........
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Yes and he is relaxed. Like I said the majority of the population would pick Pavol over Ronnie everyday of the week and twice on Sunday.
Oh well, if we follow the majority of the population, they would pick Brad Pitt over Pavol so.... you probably should start posting his pics if you are so concerned about the opinion of the majority... ::)
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Oh well, if we follow the majority of the population, they would pick Brad Pitt over Pavol so...
I don't know about that, Pavol looks like a work out art there. I think most women would agree too , the same one's that would look at other pro's and say "Gross!". Pavol has a way to appeal to both men and women, much like Arnold’s build did.
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since when does "the majority of the population" ever dictate who has a better physique in bodybuilding??
the majority of the population would rather look like Tony Little too.
Does that mean he looks better than Ronnie and Pavol?
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I'd like to see arnie turn around and stand next to this!
(http://www.ronniecoleman.net/comp012.jpg)
:)
yes, that arnold/ronnie pic is horrible. Ronnie in his 2001 AC shape or 99 Grand prix shape would destroy Arnold. He would win probably EVERY pose - even the ab and thigh, or, in Arnold's case, the ab and toothpick he he.
but then again, depsite what ironage does, it is not fair to compare bb's of different eras.
both Arnold AND Ronnie rock.
Not fair. Put him next to Dorian as he looked at the 97 O, and he makes Ronnie look like like a peanut. While that was Dorian's worst showing as far as separations and balance goes, he trounces Ronnie's ass in terms of density and thickness:while Ronnie matches him for width, he was never really a match for Dorian in thickness in the vastus medialis and latisimus dorsi muscles. :o :-\. Go hit those barbell rows and T-rows harder, little Ron! ;D
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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better than pavol?
(http://digilander.libero.it/mrolympia2/rc104.jpg)
(http://www.flexmagazine.nl/sei/s/2230/632.jpg)
in his 2001 shape, yes, he can look better from the front.
good shot of pavol though!
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Yes and he is relaxed. Like I said the majority of the population would pick Pavol over Ronnie everyday of the week and twice on Sunday.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=67814.0;attach=75630;image)
I have to say, that pic of Pavol is the epitome of what a bodybuilder should look like (except for the face). He looks INSANE! Look at the difference between his waist and his shoulders!
Just damn perfect!
(http://www.musclememory.com/images/current/JablonickyPavol.jpg)
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he trounces Ronnie's ass in terms of density and thickness
and in 1997, Yates beat Ronnie in terms of body flab too:
(http://www.getbig.com/pics/olympia/1997/mro-p99.jpg)
Are you honestly trying to argue that the 1997 Yates (post tear) could stand next to THIS onstage and WIN??
(http://digilander.libero.it/mikementzer/Coleman08.jpg)
(http://www.beyondrelief.com/images/colemanback.jpg)
does that mean that a 400 pound fat guy would beat Ronnie too?
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Posting relaxed pictures of Pavol does'nt mean much.Its a bodybuilding contest you are supposed to FLEX.
Here are some shots of relaxed Ronnie and others who PWN Pavol.
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2005 Ronnie just owned Pavol in the "relaxed" pose.
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2005 Ronnie just owned Pavol in the "relaxed" pose.
In what aspect? Sheer mass? That's about the only way he owns him.
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He owns him in everyway, Ronnie looks like some Xmen cartoon in that picture.
Im a Pavol fan but coleman just explodes in that pic,look how every muscle flares out like some car with a widebody kit.
Not to mention Pavol loses alot when he poses,kind of like Dillet.Thats why I didnt post relaxed pics of Dillet cause that was his only good pose....which last I checked...isnt a pose...:P
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Some those arguments are just funny. Who cares who was better Arnold or Ronnie? Dorian or Ronnie? First of all Arnold opened the door. Dorian already beat him and set another standard of what freaky really is. Thank you Ronnie for taking it another step. Who is next? Not anyone talking shit. Thanks for the debate though.
Kt
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In what aspect? Sheer mass? That's about the only way he owns him.
mass, vascularity, shape - notice how the size and shape of the traps makes Ronnie's overall appearance (and shape) look much better.
That is a great shot of Ronnie - even his abs look good. 2005 was a pretty good year for big Ron.
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(http://www.anabolicreview.com/vbulletin/attachment.php?s=74ffe98015f266e2eb1ce378677a15af&postid=25796)
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and in 1997, Yates beat Ronnie in terms of body flab too:
(http://www.getbig.com/pics/olympia/1997/mro-p99.jpg)
Are you honestly trying to argue that the 1997 Yates (post tear) could stand next to THIS onstage and WIN??
(http://digilander.libero.it/mikementzer/Coleman08.jpg)
(http://www.beyondrelief.com/images/colemanback.jpg)
does that mean that a 400 pound fat guy would beat Ronnie too?
"Body flab"? i mean, all of his 2% obese excess bodyfat? Yeah, what a fatso! ::) Dude, just face it that your champ never matched Dorian's graininess and density. I guess that's why Dorian defeated him all of those times...over and over...and over...and... ;D
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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If you guys want "relaxed" Ronnie in great shape, then hear ya go:
(http://www.bigroncoleman.com/media/1999_03LG.jpg)
(http://www.bigroncoleman.com/media/1999_01LG.jpg)
put that up against Jay anytime..
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mass, vascularity, shape - notice how the size and shape of the traps makes Ronnie's overall appearance (and shape) look much better.
That is a great shot of Ronnie - even his abs look good. 2005 was a pretty good year for big Ron.
mass, and yes, a tad bit of vascular in those pics. But shape and symmetry/proportional? no way. Pavols parts are perfectly matched, Ronnie's have just become so massive, they no longer "fit" each other. This thread is named “looks better”, not “more massive”. Hate to be a heartbreaker but Pavol just looks better.
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"Body flab"? i mean, all of his 2% obese excess bodyfat? Yeah, what a fatso! ::) Dude, just face it that your champ never matched Dorian's graininess and density. I guess that's why Dorian defeated him all of those times...over and over...and over...and... ;D
SUCKMYMUSCLE
hold on one second:
Are you saying that THIS bodybuilder:
(http://www.getbig.com/pics/olympia/1997/mro-p81.jpg)
had 2% bodyfat??
Are you insane?
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Hate to be a heartbreaker but Pavol just looks better.
just standing there.
But what about when he poses?
Bodybuilding without posing is like a woman without tits.
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Does anyone have that pic of Jay standing "relaxed" in a gym with his quads absolutely striated in every direction?
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just standing there.
But what about when he poses?
Bodybuilding without posing is like a woman without tits.
I agree 100%. I'm not arguing against Ron, he's a beast. I'm just saying Pavol looks better as stated in the title of this thread.
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Opps sorry I thought it said worse
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(http://www.anabolicreview.com/vbulletin/attachment.php?s=74ffe98015f266e2eb1ce378677a15af&postid=25796)
Ronnie's left calf comes to a point. I'm pretty sure that's odd :-\
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Getbiggers are so hardcore we argue about who looks better relaxed 8)