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Re: Post pics where another bodybuilder actually looks better than Ronnie
« Reply #25 on: April 24, 2006, 02:14:43 PM »
Haney only got better at the end of his eight Olympia's !! Ronnie has digressed he looked better in the first two and hasbn't matched those conditions since .

well didn't ronnie win his first sandow at the same age haney retired? to be fair, the man has done incredible things considering he's about old enough to compete in the master's.

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Re: Post pics where another bodybuilder actually looks better than Ronnie
« Reply #26 on: April 24, 2006, 02:18:38 PM »
Hulkster of course its not 100% fair to compare two guys from two eras but its always fun but remember , if you want to make it fair lets compare the two at simlar weights  ;) Arnold at 235lbs and Ronnie at 225lbs seeing he is shorter , I think thats a little more accurate .

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Re: Post pics where another bodybuilder actually looks better than Ronnie
« Reply #27 on: April 24, 2006, 02:23:54 PM »
Hulkster of course its not 100% fair to compare two guys from two eras but its always fun but remember , if you want to make it fair lets compare the two at simlar weights  ;) Arnold at 235lbs and Ronnie at 225lbs seeing he is shorter , I think thats a little more accurate .

seems like arnie's advantages can be ranked in the foll. manner

1. A more flattering camera angle.

2. A b&w camera. Although Coleman is black and has that advantage.

3. Better calves.

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Re: Post pics where another bodybuilder actually looks better than Ronnie
« Reply #28 on: April 24, 2006, 02:24:19 PM »
Hulkster : Wow !! Could you post a better picture or response than that? ( I think not ) Not to take anything away from Arnold. But when will people realize. ( " Or admit " ) That things have changed !
I'm tired of hearing " Well the drugs were different " and this and that.
Ronnie just simply destroys any other human bodybuilder ever !! PERIOD ! ( And I'm a Dorian Fan ).
Peace.

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Re: Post pics where another bodybuilder actually looks better than Ronnie
« Reply #29 on: April 24, 2006, 02:26:18 PM »
ND, you go on and on about how great Dorian looks.  You, GMC, and Swallowmymuscle keep on harping that Ronnie looks soft compared to Dorian.  You then state when it is clearly shown that Dorian looks like ass in all of his Mr. Olympias but two (1993, 1995) that it is the lighting.  However, when pics of the 99 English Grand Prix were shown and Ronnie crushed everyone, you blame the lighting as causing "anyone could look good in that lighting."  What a bunch of clowns.  I have lost all respect for your opinions.  You continually criticize a guy that would have absolutely destroyed Yates.  You always harken back to the back double bi pic of Ronnie from 1993-1994.  What the hell, that is like comparing Yates in 1981 to Haney in 1991.  Obviously, the ten years Yates had to grow helped him, although he still got his ass handed to him.  I stipulate that if Benaziza wouldn't have passed, he would have continued to knock Dorian out.  He was short, but way more symmetrical and just as thick.  Dorian should have lost to Levrone, Wheeler and maybe even Ray.  However, horrible aesthetics won the day and he continued to win long after he deserved to.  Dorian's best pose was abs and thighs, but after he blew out his arms that completely ruined his aesthetics.  Ronnie literally beats the shit out of any bodybuilder side by side.  Pictures could never do him justice.  I agree with the above, in ten years people will appreciate what a freak he was.  Remember, ten years ago people were definitely not on Dorian's jock as they are today.  Time and absence makes people appreciate what they take for granted.  BTW, Ronnie looked damn good last year and 2003.  Name one bodybuilder to ever get on stage at 280+ at his height and look good in comparison.

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Re: Post pics where another bodybuilder actually looks better than Ronnie
« Reply #30 on: April 24, 2006, 02:43:23 PM »
Nicorulez : Great post ! And 100% true. Like I said, I'm a Dorian
Fan, But In a few years from now people will realize how great
Ronnie was. Not just great. Mind blowing! actually. Here is a novel Idea, Rather than comparing, why don't we just focus on how different and awesome in their own way, our champs were ! I really think we won't see such domination for awhile to come. IMO.

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Re: Post pics where another bodybuilder actually looks better than Ronnie
« Reply #31 on: April 24, 2006, 02:49:40 PM »
Dorian had almost no detail compared to Ronnie at the 99 Grand Prix or the 2001 AC.

Sorry, but Dorian had detail in the lower back, and little else.

Ronnie had ripped biceps for christ's sake!:



the greatest biceps in history (ronnie circa 1999)

When all is said and done as far as Ronnie versus Dorian goes, these things boggle my mind:

Some still insist Dorian was better even though:

1. he has a horrible taper compared to Ronnie
2. he had inferior arms, chest, quads etc. etc.
3. He had little detail compared to Ronnie (and saying he was "hard and grainy" means NOTHING since he had little detail compared to guys like Flex and Ronnie)
4. His arms, delts and quads had bad shape.
5. His back double bi paled in comarison to Ronnie's.

On the plus side:

-dorian had better abs.
-dorian had better calves.
-they were close on the lat spreads.

AND THATS IT.

How in the world anyone can think that Dorian was better is beyond me.


sorry, but dorian was just not on this sort of level.


Ronnie could give dorian a lesson on what DETAIL is all about!!

There, I'm done now.

And people say I am deranged. ::) :-*

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Re: Post pics where another bodybuilder actually looks better than Ronnie
« Reply #32 on: April 24, 2006, 03:00:02 PM »
Comparing Ronnie Coleman in 2005 to Arnold of 1974 is stupid.  Completely different eras.  Both the best of their era.  30 years later there have been major advances in BBing.  Believe that Arnold would look much different if he competed now.  Lots of things have changed.

Flex Wheeler of 1993 beats Coleman in the 2000s  Just personal opinion based on physique preference.

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Re: Post pics where another bodybuilder actually looks better than Ronnie
« Reply #33 on: April 24, 2006, 03:03:27 PM »
Well It Could be easily said that, ( Regardless of the lighting Bull shit)  Ronnie, circa 98, 99, 2001- ( my favorite ). And 2003, for different reasons. Could possibly be the best bodybuilder we have,
or will ever see !!! Let's face It. ( Or let time prove us wrong. )

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Re: Post pics where another bodybuilder actually looks better than Ronnie
« Reply #34 on: April 24, 2006, 03:11:14 PM »
I mean, For F*CK sake, ( Imagine that shot in black and white?) CRAZY !! No one can touch that. The front aint bad either !!!!

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Re: Post pics where another bodybuilder actually looks better than Ronnie
« Reply #35 on: April 24, 2006, 03:21:29 PM »
you could see the branches on the christmas tree  8)

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Re: Post pics where another bodybuilder actually looks better than Ronnie
« Reply #36 on: April 24, 2006, 03:21:53 PM »
Any pic of Shawn, Flex or Bob Paris!

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Re: Post pics where another bodybuilder actually looks better than Ronnie
« Reply #37 on: April 24, 2006, 03:23:38 PM »
ND, you go on and on about how great Dorian looks.  You, GMC, and Swallowmymuscle keep on harping that Ronnie looks soft compared to Dorian.  You then state when it is clearly shown that Dorian looks like ass in all of his Mr. Olympias but two (1993, 1995) that it is the lighting.  However, when pics of the 99 English Grand Prix were shown and Ronnie crushed everyone, you blame the lighting as causing "anyone could look good in that lighting."  What a bunch of clowns.  I have lost all respect for your opinions.  You continually criticize a guy that would have absolutely destroyed Yates.  You always harken back to the back double bi pic of Ronnie from 1993-1994.  What the hell, that is like comparing Yates in 1981 to Haney in 1991.  Obviously, the ten years Yates had to grow helped him, although he still got his ass handed to him.  I stipulate that if Benaziza wouldn't have passed, he would have continued to knock Dorian out.  He was short, but way more symmetrical and just as thick.  Dorian should have lost to Levrone, Wheeler and maybe even Ray.  However, horrible aesthetics won the day and he continued to win long after he deserved to.  Dorian's best pose was abs and thighs, but after he blew out his arms that completely ruined his aesthetics.  Ronnie literally beats the shit out of any bodybuilder side by side.  Pictures could never do him justice.  I agree with the above, in ten years people will appreciate what a freak he was.  Remember, ten years ago people were definitely not on Dorian's jock as they are today.  Time and absence makes people appreciate what they take for granted.  BTW, Ronnie looked damn good last year and 2003.  Name one bodybuilder to ever get on stage at 280+ at his height and look good in comparison.

I'm confident in saying Dorian has an edge on conditioning compared to Ronnie , in 94 he had striated glutes , and a sharp x-mas tree , in 97 his gut was bloated yet his conditioning was NOT a problem , Dorian's problem was torn muscles not getting dry , I also sais , seeing Dorian has fair skin the lighting has to be right for all of his detail to come through in pictures , obviously with 6 Olympia wins the judges didn't have a problem seeing it , you say Dorian only looked good in 93/95 in his Olympias , I say nonsense he looked excellent in 91 ( his first ) great in 92 , 93 , 95 , and 96 he still good , 97 he did not

Concerning the 99 Grand Prix , I said anyone in shape would look great under that lighting , Ronnie looked fantastic in that contest and so did Flex , I continue to critizie a guy that would have destoryed Yates ? well thats debateable , and the fact is Ronnie competed against Dorian on a few occasions and he lost , he wasn't as good to beat Yates so in the few times they did meet he was demoralized

Dorian got his ass handed to him? Dorian was beat twice as a Pro , he lost to Momo when he was 228lbs and to Haney when he was about 240lbs obviously not near his prime , and he aveneged that lose and Momo never beat Yates again , and Haney beat Yates fairly , although Yates beat him in the muscularity round , and Haney retired

Dorian should have lost to Levrone? not quite , Kevin was never a threat , Shawn was never a threat , in 1994 he was trailing Levrone who was ahead by 6 points , he only beat him the posing round , and Shawn himself said he got the place he deserved , Flex was the only legimate challenger , and he didn't deserve to win in 93 , he was lucky that he got second , the consensus was Shawn should have placed 2nd in 93 but Flex's superior shape won it for him , I maintain Flex could have beat Yate and I wanted him to

Ronnie litteraly beats the shit out of any bodybuilder side by side? ol spoken like a true Coleman fan lol No one is denying Coleman is a freak , he regins supreme as a freak , complete with a freaky gut as well , and in the years to come Ronnie will be seen as great bodybuilder that started off fantastic and ended up a complete joke , Ronnie is one the forefont of what is everything wrong with bodybuilding , everyone loves him because he is redefining the word freak , he is a novelity becuse everyone is astonished at how big he can get and how much weight he can move and how low his bodyfat is , etc , he may beat Haney's record but he'll never be in Haney's leauge .

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Re: Post pics where another bodybuilder actually looks better than Ronnie
« Reply #38 on: April 24, 2006, 03:26:29 PM »
Oh and here is a pic of a bodybuilder that looks better than Ronnie  ;)

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Re: Post pics where another bodybuilder actually looks better than Ronnie
« Reply #39 on: April 24, 2006, 03:27:15 PM »
Let us talk about a small waist ! At 260, 270+. Go ahead and find a better X frame at that weight. I don't think so !!!!! The pic above is no where near Ronnie at his best. Yet that Is Dorian at his best. At least I can step back and look at the physiques at hand.
( Like I said, I'm the biggest Dorian Fan ).

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Re: Post pics where another bodybuilder actually looks better than Ronnie
« Reply #40 on: April 24, 2006, 03:33:43 PM »
Ronnies waist looked pretty damn tight to me at this years
( 2005 ) Mr " O "  What did he weigh ???

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Re: Post pics where another bodybuilder actually looks better than Ronnie
« Reply #41 on: April 24, 2006, 03:35:18 PM »
Ronnies waist looked pretty damn tight to me at this years
( 2005 ) Mr " O "  What did he weigh ???

Tighter than 04 but still laughable compared to what it was !!

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Re: Post pics where another bodybuilder actually looks better than Ronnie
« Reply #42 on: April 24, 2006, 03:36:31 PM »
Another bodybuilder who looks better than Coleman .

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Re: Post pics where another bodybuilder actually looks better than Ronnie
« Reply #43 on: April 24, 2006, 03:37:42 PM »
compare that Yates rear double bi to ANY 1998 or better Coleman back double bi and you will see EXACTLY what I am talking about:


can you imagine THIS shot in black and white?
Ronnie was no where near his peak when dorian smoked him. (eg 1992 Olympia - Ronnie placed out of the top 15)
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Re: Post pics where another bodybuilder actually looks better than Ronnie
« Reply #44 on: April 24, 2006, 03:38:55 PM »
Yet another

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Re: Post pics where another bodybuilder actually looks better than Ronnie
« Reply #45 on: April 24, 2006, 03:40:56 PM »
Another bodybuilder who looks better than Coleman .

no, not at his peak:



If the Ronnie shots from this show were in Black and White, we would forget about the dorian black and white shots, that's for sure...

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Re: Post pics where another bodybuilder actually looks better than Ronnie
« Reply #46 on: April 24, 2006, 03:41:06 PM »
I look at that picture of Federov / Coleman, And I Agree that Federov looks great, but at the same time he looks a mess.
( Does that make any sense ? )

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Re: Post pics where another bodybuilder actually looks better than Ronnie
« Reply #47 on: April 24, 2006, 03:43:32 PM »
no way do Gunter "it was a fix and I never even qualified for the O. before!" Schlierkamp and Alex "I may never place in the top 10 at the Olympia" Federov look better than an 8 time Mr. Olympia.

sorry, if this is being harsh, but it is true.

At least with Flex, Shawn, etc. you have a good argument.

But NOT with Gunter and Alex.



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Re: Post pics where another bodybuilder actually looks better than Ronnie
« Reply #48 on: April 24, 2006, 03:46:24 PM »
Wow. So far so good !! I have to say that because this has been a nice discussion on this thread. With no hijacking or little internet terd comments. How long can this last however ?

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Re: Post pics where another bodybuilder actually looks better than Ronnie
« Reply #49 on: April 24, 2006, 03:48:06 PM »
compare that Yates rear double bi to ANY 1998 or better Coleman back double bi and you will see EXACTLY what I am talking about:


can you imagine THIS shot in black and white?
Ronnie was no where near his peak when dorian smoked him. (eg 1992 Olympia - Ronnie placed out of the top 15)

Yawn , here is your B&W  ::) WOW he looks so much better in black and white this has to be the best back double bicep pose in the history of the planet  ::)