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Let's see if overrated a...holes like Ian Valliere or Hunter Labrada will ever see an Olympia stage again with that qualification system ;D
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Only the 14 muskiest buttholes will be allowed to compete
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I have not watched the video yet but I知 presuming that Steve Weinberger was appalled with the conditioning that most of the Olympia competitors showed up in at show time. This is his way of thinning the herd.
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I have not watched the video yet but I知 presuming that Steve Weinberger was appalled with the conditioning that most of the Olympia competitors showed up in at show time. This is his way of thinning the herd.
I didn't watch the Palumbo video above, but if these rules were just drafted...then yeah, I'd say the lower tier Mr. Olympia placings/performances are what prompted this.
Or maybe the rules were revised earlier when it was realized that so many competitors qualified. This was the most ever, as far as I know. In 2002, they had 25 competitors, but I don't remember any year with 30+. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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I just watched the video. Damn. IFBB pro痴 have to win a pro show order to qualify for the Mr Olympia contest (or have placed top five at the previous year痴 Olympia)
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Good. Way too many competitors for the best of the best competition. I would cap it at 12.
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I just watched the video. Damn. IFBB pro痴 have to win a pro show order to qualify for the Mr Olympia contest (or have placed top five at the previous year痴 Olympia)
Some of them will qualify by winning a contest, then win another, allowing the 2nd place guy to grab a qualifying spot for the Olympia, or even potentially the 3rd place guy, depending on who are already qualified.
The points system made it less competitive.
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Some of them will qualify by winning a contest, then win another, allowing the 2nd place guy to grab a qualifying spot for the Olympia, or even potentially the 3rd place guy, depending on who are already qualified.
The points system made it less competitive.
Still the best will compete. Who needs 20 or 30 competitors when only 5 or 6 have a legit chance of winning?
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Still the best will compete. Who needs 20 or 30 competitors when only 5 or 6 have a legit chance of winning?
Especially when only 3-4 guys nail their conditioning
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This will not end the bloat, the guts, the pointy shoulders, the oilceps and the glazed donut look.
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This might be the IFBB痴 subtle way of permanently kicking Big Ramy to the curb
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The number of fitness gals, and bikini boys (and classic) was off the charts this year.
Open BB went into the early AM of the next day (SUN) I think. Way too many.
The IFBB greed machine will take a hit (entrance fee's) but Im sure they'll make up for it.
(Sell a few more hundred thousand pro-cards, etc).
Some say "IFBB gives out too many pro-cards". They arent 'giving' anything, they sell 'em.
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I just went back and checked, and out of every Mr. Olympia in history, this year's Olympia had the most competitors ever. Maybe that's what prompted these changes, because they impact the length of the event?
Only 1991 exceeded 25 competitors, and 2002 had exactly 25.
I remember Wayne Demilia announcing in the 2002 Battle for the Olympia video that all 25 bodybuilders would receive a placing - rather than anyone outside or the top 15 being given 16th place.
Below are the results of the 1991 contest, which had almost as many competitors:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991_Mr._Olympia
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Some of them will qualify by winning a contest, then win another, allowing the 2nd place guy to grab a qualifying spot for the Olympia, or even potentially the 3rd place guy, depending on who are already qualified.
The points system made it less competitive.
Nope, only the winner, if someone wins multiple shows, then it's bad luck for the runner-up, he won't qualify.
Not even the Top 3 at the Arnolds qualify for the Olympia, only the winner, it's getting tough for the 3rd tier Pros ;D
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I just watched the video. Damn. IFBB pro痴 have to win a pro show order to qualify for the Mr Olympia contest (or have placed top five at the previous year痴 Olympia)
Good - to much Fuckwitterry in the Olympia qualifying has gone on
and far to many pro cards dished out Sold willy nilly.
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Some of them will qualify by winning a contest, then win another, allowing the 2nd place guy to grab a qualifying spot for the Olympia, or even potentially the 3rd place guy, depending on who are already qualified.
The points system made it less competitive.
Dave Palumbo specifically covered this scenario in the video. Only the winners of pro shows will be allowed to compete in the Mr Olympia. Only the winner.
The top 5 from the previous year痴 Mr Olympia will be allowed to compete as well.
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Nope, only the winner, if someone wins multiple shows, then it's bad luck for the runner-up, he won't qualify.
Not even the Top 3 at the Arnolds qualify for the Olympia, only the winner, it's getting tough for the 3rd tier Pros ;D
Dave Palumbo specifically covered this scenario in the video. Only the winners of pro shows will be allowed to compete in the Mr Olympia. Only the winner.
The top 5 from the previous year痴 Mr Olympia will be allowed to compete as well.
Oh wow, haha. And in one fell swoop, qualifying for the Olympia suddenly became much harder.
Thanks for correcting me on that, guys. I still haven't watched Palumbo's video [I will now], and I was going based on past rules on pre-qualified winners winning an additional pro show.
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Imagine if only 12 competitors qualified. Everybody under the dotted line would not have even been there
1 Hadi Choopan Iran 7 6 13
2 Derek Lunsford United States 8 9 17
3 Nick Walker United States 15 17 32
4 Brandon Curry United States 20 20 40
5 Big Ramy Egypt 25 27 52
6 Samson Dauda United Kingdom 30 28 58
7 Hunter Labrada United States 35 35 70
8 Andrew Jacked United States 40 40 80
9 William Bonac Netherlands 45 46 91
10 Rafael Brandao Brazil 50 50 100
11 Iain Valliere Canada 56 57 113
12 Michael Krizo Slovakia 59 58 117
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13 Patrick Johnson Denmark 67 67 134
14 Charles Griffin United States 69 68 137
15 Justin Rodriguez United States 75 77 152
=16 Mohammad Alnsoor Jordan 80 80 160
=16 Blessing Awodibu Ireland 80 80 160
=16 Vitor Boff Brazil 80 80 160
=16 Tonio Burton United States 80 80 160
=16 James Hollingshead UK 80 79 159
=16 Theo Leguerrier France 80 80 160
=16 Andrea Muzi Italy 80 80 160
=16 Andrea Presti Italy 80 80 160
=16 Mohamed Shaaban Egypt 80 80 160
=16 Vladyslav Sukhoruchko Ukraine 80 80 160
=16 Joel Thomas United States 80 80 160
=16 Antoine Vaillant Canada 80 80 160
=16 Akim Williams United States
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Imagine if only 12 competitors qualified. Everybody under the dotted line would not have even been there
Not a big loss tbh ;D
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So umm.. what happens if one guy wins every show?
Just 5 Mr. O contestants next year?
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So umm.. what happens if one guy wins every show?
Just 5 Mr. O contestants next year?
Yes 👍🏻
You got that right ✅
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So umm.. what happens if one guy wins every show?
Just 5 Mr. O contestants next year?
The Olympia becomes again what it was supposed to be at one point. The BEST of the BEST !!
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I'd rather see 5 epic physiques + 5 great physiques + 5 good physiques competing for the Mr. O,
than
just 5 epic physiques.
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I'd rather see 5 epic physiques + 5 great physiques + 5 good physiques competing for the Mr. O,
than
just 5 epic physiques.
So even if epic is back that's not good enough? ;D
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Let's see if overrated a...holes like Ian Valliere or Hunter Labrada will ever see an Olympia stage again with that qualification system
Being that each and every time either of them qualified for the Olympia it was done by winning a contest, I壇 say the chances are pretty good you値l see them back there again. ;)
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Wasn't it like that in the past? You had to have a top placing at the O or win a show in order to qualify? Am I mistaken in thinking that or did they move away from that over the years.
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Wasn't it like that in the past? You had to have a top placing at the O or win a show in order to qualify? Am I mistaken in thinking that or did they move away from that over the years.
It used to be:
- Top 10 from the previous year's Olympia
- Top 5 from Arnold Classic
- Top 5 from Night of Champions / NY Pro
- Top 3 from any other pro show
- Class winner from previous year's Amateur World Championships
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Wasn't it like that in the past? You had to have a top placing at the O or win a show in order to qualify? Am I mistaken in thinking that or did they move away from that over the years.
Yes & certain Pro show qualifiers -12- 15 or so at the Olympia is more than enough
the best of the best only on stage
Nobody is remotely interested in who placed 15th 18th or 25th etc
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let the games begin...
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Let's see if overrated a...holes like Ian Valliere or Hunter Labrada will ever see an Olympia stage again with that qualification system ;D
How is this "WAAAY tougher"? Unless I'm mistaken, only one guy gets in via the points system and there's only one special invite.
This only knocks out two spots (unless you could qualify at the Arnold by placing top 3 or 5 without winning it).
As for the top 5 from the previous Olympia getting into next year's show, I thought the rationale for doing this (from 2003, cut to top 6) was because for a while (during the late 90s/early 2000s), only 13 or 14 guys were competing in the Mr. O.
Pre-2003 rule changes, ten of those dudes automatically qualified for the next Olympia. So, the rule change made sense.
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Let's see if overrated a...holes like Ian Valliere or Hunter Labrada will ever see an Olympia stage again with that qualification system ;D
I remember when that idiot coach joe Marino was saying hunter would be a future mr Olympia
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It used to be:
- Top 10 from the previous year's Olympia
- Top 5 from Arnold Classic
- Top 5 from Night of Champions / NY Pro
- Top 3 from any other pro show
- Class winner from previous year's Amateur World Championships
That's how Ronnie Coleman got to his first Olympia in 1992, winning his class at the Universe in 1991.
Add to that one special invite and a lifetime qualification for any former Mr. Olympia. That's how Samir Bannout kept coming back to get beat up in the late 80s and early/mid 90s.
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Imagine if only 12 competitors qualified. Everybody under the dotted line would not have even been there
1 Hadi Choopan Iran 7 6 13
2 Derek Lunsford United States 8 9 17
3 Nick Walker United States 15 17 32
4 Brandon Curry United States 20 20 40
5 Big Ramy Egypt 25 27 52
6 Samson Dauda United Kingdom 30 28 58
7 Hunter Labrada United States 35 35 70
8 Andrew Jacked United States 40 40 80
9 William Bonac Netherlands 45 46 91
10 Rafael Brandao Brazil 50 50 100
11 Iain Valliere Canada 56 57 113
12 Michael Krizo Slovakia 59 58 117
覧覧覧覧覧覧覧覧覧覧覧覧覧覧-
13 Patrick Johnson Denmark 67 67 134
14 Charles Griffin United States 69 68 137
15 Justin Rodriguez United States 75 77 152
=16 Mohammad Alnsoor Jordan 80 80 160
=16 Blessing Awodibu Ireland 80 80 160
=16 Vitor Boff Brazil 80 80 160
=16 Tonio Burton United States 80 80 160
=16 James Hollingshead UK 80 79 159
=16 Theo Leguerrier France 80 80 160
=16 Andrea Muzi Italy 80 80 160
=16 Andrea Presti Italy 80 80 160
=16 Mohamed Shaaban Egypt 80 80 160
=16 Vladyslav Sukhoruchko Ukraine 80 80 160
=16 Joel Thomas United States 80 80 160
=16 Antoine Vaillant Canada 80 80 160
=16 Akim Williams United States
But almost all those dudes who placed "16th" won pro shows (including Blessing "Boggieman" Awodibu). Wasn't there a thread about Antoine Vaillant winning a show just a few weeks before the Olympia?
So, the problem may be that those guys under the dashed line are winning pro shows against nobodies, only to get pounded at the O.
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How do you go about doing away with the "Special Invite" at the Olympia, considering the guy who got it this year placed 2nd and the guy who got two years ago WON THE WHOLE THING?
Plus, if you have six guys in the first callouts (the top 6), all six of them should qualify for the next year's Olympia. It makes no sense to call out six yet let only five get in next year's show.
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It used to be:
- Top 10 from the previous year's Olympia
- Top 5 from Arnold Classic
- Top 5 from Night of Champions / NY Pro
- Top 3 from any other pro show
- Class winner from previous year's Amateur World Championships
It should be top 3 from previous Olympia, top 2 from Arnold, the winner of the NOC, and the rest based on accumulated points from the other pro show winners.
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Imagine if only 12 competitors qualified. Everybody under the dotted line would not have even been there
1 Hadi Choopan Iran 7 6 13
2 Derek Lunsford United States 8 9 17
3 Nick Walker United States 15 17 32
4 Brandon Curry United States 20 20 40
5 Big Ramy Egypt 25 27 52
6 Samson Dauda United Kingdom 30 28 58
7 Hunter Labrada United States 35 35 70
8 Andrew Jacked United States 40 40 80
9 William Bonac Netherlands 45 46 91
10 Rafael Brandao Brazil 50 50 100
11 Iain Valliere Canada 56 57 113
12 Michael Krizo Slovakia 59 58 117
覧覧覧覧覧覧覧覧覧覧覧覧覧覧-
13 Patrick Johnson Denmark 67 67 134
14 Charles Griffin United States 69 68 137
15 Justin Rodriguez United States 75 77 152
=16 Mohammad Alnsoor Jordan 80 80 160
=16 Blessing Awodibu Ireland 80 80 160
=16 Vitor Boff Brazil 80 80 160
=16 Tonio Burton United States 80 80 160
=16 James Hollingshead UK 80 79 159
=16 Theo Leguerrier France 80 80 160
=16 Andrea Muzi Italy 80 80 160
=16 Andrea Presti Italy 80 80 160
=16 Mohamed Shaaban Egypt 80 80 160
=16 Vladyslav Sukhoruchko Ukraine 80 80 160
=16 Joel Thomas United States 80 80 160
=16 Antoine Vaillant Canada 80 80 160
=16 Akim Williams United States
would have saved them the expense of prep and travel
Only the top six got any money
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Imagine if only 12 competitors qualified. Everybody under the dotted line would not have even been there
1 Hadi Choopan Iran 7 6 13
2 Derek Lunsford United States 8 9 17
3 Nick Walker United States 15 17 32
4 Brandon Curry United States 20 20 40
5 Big Ramy Egypt 25 27 52
6 Samson Dauda United Kingdom 30 28 58
7 Hunter Labrada United States 35 35 70
8 Andrew Jacked United States 40 40 80
9 William Bonac Netherlands 45 46 91
10 Rafael Brandao Brazil 50 50 100
11 Iain Valliere Canada 56 57 113
12 Michael Krizo Slovakia 59 58 117
Im guessing that if you were to go over 2022 and apply the new qualifications that this would be the line up. This is probably what the line up will be in 2023.
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Im guessing that if you were to go over 2022 and apply the new qualifications that this would be the line up. This is probably what the line up will be in 2023.
It wouldn't, according to the new rules, which really just got rid of the points system and the special invite (notwithstanding that two of the last three recipients of such either won or placed 2nd).
That's just two spots. Again, nearly all of those guys who placed "16th" won pro shows (i.e. Antoine Vaillant, Blessing Awodibu, Akim Williams). Some have won multiple pro shows but placed in the pack.
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The Olympia becomes again what it was supposed to be at one point. The BEST of the BEST !!
(https://preview.redd.it/2w0bfmzrpqxy.png?auto=webp&s=d2a231e524f342f6160ff3cc12ca17a1e51fd69b)
Franco stinks.
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Let's see if overrated a...holes like Ian Valliere or Hunter Labrada will ever see an Olympia stage again with that qualification system ;D
Both of them will still win a lower tier show easily. Especially with the Olympia top 5 not having to compete. I like Valliere to be honest. Dude speaks his mind. His shape is awful though. Labrada has the charisma of a rock
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It wouldn't, according to the new rules, which really just got rid of the points system and the special invite (notwithstanding that two of the last three recipients of such either won or placed 2nd).
That's just two spots. Again, nearly all of those guys who placed "16th" won pro shows (i.e. Antoine Vaillant, Blessing Awodibu, Akim Williams). Some have won multiple pro shows but placed in the pack.
Interesting....
I think the change makes sense though. You can only be in the Olympia is you win a pro show for that year or place top 5 in the O the year before. That way you really can claim to be pitting the best against the best.
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Interesting....
I think the change makes sense though. You can only be in the Olympia is you win a pro show for that year or place top 5 in the O the year before. That way you really can claim to be pitting the best against the best.
The complaint is that there were just too many competitors. This rule changes does nothing to address that.
If you have 30 guys (minus the top 5 from previous year), it means all but two of the remaining 25 won pro shows to qualify.
Yes & certain Pro show qualifiers -12- 15 or so at the Olympia is more than enough
the best of the best only on stage
Nobody is remotely interested in who placed 15th 18th or 25th etc
During the late 90s and early 2000s, the Olympia had that problem. Only thirteen (13) to fifteen (15) guys were competing at the O, ten (10) of whom automatically qualified for the next year. People complained there were too few competitors and too many top pros were skipping the Olympia.
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The complaint is that there were just too many competitors. This rule changes does nothing to address that.
If you have 30 guys (minus the top 5 from previous year), it means all but two of the remaining 25 won pro shows to qualify.
During the late 90s and early 2000s, the Olympia had that problem. Only thirteen (13) to fifteen (15) guys were competing at the O, ten (10) of whom automatically qualified for the next year. People complained there were too few competitors and too many top pros were skipping the Olympia.
I also remember the 80s & 90s and don't really recall folk moaning about the No. of
competitors in the Mr Olympia !!
Its about the best of the best - No one cares who placed 15th
The whole contest was set up to judge the best bodybuilder
Not who places 12th , 15th or 27th.
Same as any top tournament no one cares or is interested in who placed last.
The 100mtrs Olympic final do you remember who placed 7th or last No just the winner
& maybe the 2nd place man.
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I also remember the 80s & 90s and don't really recall folk moaning about the No. of
competitors in the Mr Olympia !!
Its about the best of the best - No one cares who placed 15th
The whole contest was set up to judge the best bodybuilder
Not who places 12th , 15th or 27th.
Same as any top tournament no one cares or is interested in who placed last.
The 100mtrs Olympic final do you remember who placed 7th or last No just the winner
& maybe the 2nd place man.
In the 80s, they didn't complain. Just competing in the Olympia was an honor. Making the top 15 was great; making the top 10 meant you really arrived.
But in the 90s, the complaints were that too many people were skipping the Olympia. At least three Os I recall (1996, 1997, and 2000) had only 13 or 14 guys. So basically, if you just showed up, you had at least 71% chance of qualifying for the next Olympia as all but three or four guys would place at least 10th.
And that was back when you didn't have to win a show to qualify for the Olympia. Just top 3 at any show or top 5 (ASC, NOC) got you there. Now, guys are winning shows but are afterthoughts at the big dance. Heck, Blessing Abodiwu won two shows but got "16th" at the Olympia.
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In the 80s, they didn't complain. Just competing in the Olympia was an honor. Making the top 15 was great; making the top 10 meant you really arrived.
But in the 90s, the complaints were that too many people were skipping the Olympia. At least three Os I recall (1996, 1997, and 2000) had only 13 or 14 guys. So basically, if you just showed up, you had at least 71% chance of qualifying for the next Olympia as all but three or four guys would place at least 10th.
And that was back when you didn't have to win a show to qualify for the Olympia. Just top 3 at any show or top 5 (ASC, NOC) got you there. Now, guys are winning shows but are afterthoughts at the big dance. Heck, Blessing Abodiwu won two shows but got "16th" at the Olympia.
Your recollections are different to mine.
anyway I don't care The Mr Olympia is about the best Bodybuilder. End of
why the Fuck you arguing or bothered about who places 12, 15, 25 !!
Like i said without looking it up Name the man who came 7th or last at the 100mtrs final
Or who placed 12 through last place in the last few Olmpias.
Its's not important & no one cares.
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Your recollections are different to mine.
anyway I don't care The Mr Olympia is about the best Bodybuilder. End of
why the Fuck you arguing or bothered about who places 12, 15, 25 !!
Like i said without looking it up Name the man who came 7th or last at the 100mtrs final
Or who placed 12 through last place in the last few Olmpias.
Its's not important & no one cares.
The WHOLE ISSUE is about how many people should be allowed to compete. The complaint is that there are too many competitors.
These so-called rule changes were supposed to address that. They haven't. All it did was eliminate TWO GUYS (the special-invite dude and the one who did the point-system thing).
Outside of that, if 25 guys are there, it's because ALL 25 either won shows or placed top 5 at the previous Olympia.
Do you now have to win multiple shows to qualify? Blessing did that, and he still got "16th".
If you only want 10 guys, HOW do you address the rules to make that happen?
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only to get pounded at the O.
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Just make it so you have to be over 5'7".
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If you add in the cost for gurus drugs and food none of these guys are really making big money shit we wrestlers and mid card ufc fighters are doing way better this is a niche sport only Arnold and a select few made it big
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If you add in the cost for gurus drugs and food none of these guys are really making big money shit we wrestlers and mid card ufc fighters are doing way better this is a niche sport only Arnold and a select few made it big
Arnold's making it big was OUTSIDE bodybuilding.
As for UFC and pro wrestling, again (to the public) those guys actually do something with their muscles. Fighting (actual or choreographed) tends to draw more money.
Plus, the golden years of being "drafted" by supplement companies (90s and 2000s) are gone. Guys aren't getting endorsements to help them turn pro or continue their pro career.
No more are MuscleTech, Weider, GNC, Prolab, Twinlab, Met-Rx, MHP, etc. hiring pros and top amateurs en masse.
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The Olympia becomes again what it was supposed to be at one point. The BEST of the BEST !!
(https://preview.redd.it/2w0bfmzrpqxy.png?auto=webp&s=d2a231e524f342f6160ff3cc12ca17a1e51fd69b)
Was the Olympia the best of the best back then? Or was it the NABBA Universe?
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Your recollections are different to mine.
anyway I don't care The Mr Olympia is about the best Bodybuilder. End of
why the Fuck you arguing or bothered about who places 12, 15, 25 !!
Like i said without looking it up Name the man who came 7th or last at the 100mtrs final
Or who placed 12 through last place in the last few Olmpias.
Its's not important & no one cares.
The WHOLE ISSUE is about how many people should be allowed to compete. The complaint is that there are too many competitors.
These so-called rule changes were supposed to address that. They haven't. All it did was eliminate TWO GUYS (the special-invite dude and the one who did the point-system thing).
Outside of that, if 25 guys are there, it's because ALL 25 either won shows or placed top 5 at the previous Olympia.
Do you now have to win multiple shows to qualify? Blessing did that, and he still got "16th".
If you only want 10 guys, HOW do you address the rules to make that happen?
A rather bizarre & random reply to what I wrote, 🤷🏻♂️
Limit the No. Of Qualifying shows simple
Not every Pro show has to be an Olympia Qualifyier
To answer your question
Top 5 from olympia
Top 2-3 from Arnold classic
Max 5 other pro show winner qualifiers
And possibly a wild card
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A rather bizarre & random reply to what I wrote, 🤷🏻♂️
Limit the No. Of Qualifying shows simple
Not every Pro show has to be an Olympia Qualifyier
To answer your question
Top 5 from olympia
Top 2-3 from Arnold classic
Max 5 other pro show winner qualifiers
And possibly a wild card
What would those 5 shows be and what would make those wins superior to winning other shows?
I remember the wildcard show in 2005 at the Olympia itself. It was a last-minute show done on the spot, with the winner qualifying for the O. David Henry won it. I think he cracked the top 15.
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What if one guy wins all the shows? Only one guy on stage at the Olympia?
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What if one guy wins all the shows? Only one guy on stage at the Olympia?
Yes just like Arnold & Sergio they were the best of their time.
Only you're forgetting the top 5 at olympia should automatically qualify + a wild card entry.
So that would make either 6 or 7 on stage.
Not 1.
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What if one guy wins all the shows? Only one guy on stage at the Olympia?
No, the top 5 from last year's Olympia qualify. Why should guys compete at the Olympia if they can't even win a pro show?
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How does it get done without reducing the profit margin?
I don't see or hear anyone discussing the money-making or money-losing part of the situation?
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How does it get done without reducing then profit margin?
I don't see or hear anyone discussing the money-making or money-losing part of the situation?
That's probably the issue. It appears a lot of these promoters are doing bikini, wellness, and Men's Physique/Classic and 212 shows.
But, just to be fair, they throw some rag-tag open men's pro show. Somebody wins it; he qualifies for the Olympia.
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He's gotten more strict but I think it's going to backfire...it's seems like a good idea but i think
it's going to be too restrictive... he's going to have to make the qualifications more liberal...