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Title: Trump Whodunnit: Prosecutors admit key evidence in document case has been tamper
Post by: Coach is Back! on May 03, 2024, 08:03:45 PM
In a stunning admission, Special Counsel Jack Smith’s team is admitting that key evidence in former President Donald Trump’s classified documents criminal case was altered or manipulated since it was seized by the FBI, and that prosecutors misled the court about it for a period of time.

Legal experts told Just the News the revelation could prove to be a serious problem for prosecutors and a violation of court rules to preserve evidence in the state it was seized.

In a new filing Friday, Smith’s team said that the order of documents in some of the boxes of memos that were seized by the FBI from Trump’s Mar-a-Lago estate was altered or jumbled, leaving two different chronologies: one that was digitally scanned and another the physical order in the boxes.

Since the boxes were seized and stored, appropriate personnel have had access to the boxes for several reasons, including to comply with orders issued by this Court in the civil proceedings noted above, for investigative purposes, and to facilitate the defendants' review of the boxes,” Smith’s team wrote in a new court filing to U.S. District Judge Aileen Cannon.

“There are some boxes where the order of items within that box is not the same as in the associated scans,” the prosecutors wrote.

Smith’s team in a footnote also conceded it had misled the court about the problem by previously declaring that the evidence had remained in the exact state it had been seized.

“The Government acknowledges that this is inconsistent with what Government counsel previously understood and represented to the Court,” the footnote said.

You can read the filing here:

File
gov.uscourts.flsd_.64865 3.522.0.pdf
The organization of the documents in storage boxes at Mar-a-Lago is likely to be an important part of Trump‘s defense. His team is expected to argue the documents were stored in the White House in chronological order on the days that Trump received them, and that staff simply boxed them up and sent them to his home without him accessing them or knowing they contained classified information.


Smith’s team tried to downplay the problem and argued it’s not a reason for a delay in Trump’s case.

But several legal experts told Just the News the court filing essentially is an admission of evidence tampering, and could be problematic. 

“Prosecutors and investigators should never tamper with or alter evidence in their possession, including the order of documents in a box because one never knows what may become relevant or crucial to a court or jury later in a case,” Harvard Law Professor Emeritus Alan Dershowitz said.

Prominent defense attorney Tim Parlatore, who worked on Trump’s team earlier in the classified documents case but no longer is involved, said ”this admission is stunning on multiple levels.”

He said the revelation “reinforces the incompetence” of prosecutors “in conducting basic criminal investigations and prosecutions that I observed when I was on the team.

“But at a deeper level, the loss of specific document locations is a destruction of exculpatory evidence,” he added. “I went through all of the boxes at NARA and the document order was important because it was clear to us that the boxes had been untouched since leaving the White House.


For prosecutors who are trying to prove that the defendants knowingly possessed these documents to then destroy the evidence that would undermine that claim is a very serious violation,” he added.

Smith’s team tried to downplay the problem, offering several explanations for how the documents and their order could’ve been scrambled since the government took possession of the boxes.

“There are several possible explanations, including the above-described instances in which the boxes were accessed, as well as the size and shape of certain items in the boxes possibly leading to movement of items,” the prosecutors wrote. “For example, the boxes contain items smaller than standard paper such as index cards, books, and stationary, which shift easily when the boxes are carried, especially because many of the boxes are not full.”

The alteration of evidence has been an issue in earlier political scandals and prosecutions in Washington.

Erasure of an 18 1/2 minute segment of Richard Nixon’s White House tapes became a very important aspect of the Watergate scandal.

The Iran-Contra scandal exploded during the Reagan years with the revelation that documents were shredded before they could be obtained by investigators.

The Hillary Clinton classified email scandal became more complicated in 2015 with the revelation that her team used a "Bleach Bit" program to erase emails on her secret computer server, and had email devices destroyed.


https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/all-things-trump/trump-whodunnit-prosecutors-admit-key-evidence-document-case-has?utm_source=mux&utm_medium=social-media&utm_campaign=social-media-autopost

Title: Re: Trump Whodunnit: Prosecutors admit key evidence in document case has been tamper
Post by: Gym Rat on May 04, 2024, 01:22:35 AM
This disgusting pervert might have something to say how others behave...
Soon as he's done gobbling disgusting caulk.


Title: Re: Trump Whodunnit: Prosecutors admit key evidence in document case has been tamper
Post by: LurkerNoMore on May 04, 2024, 07:18:22 AM
Another smoking gun that never was.
Title: Re: Trump Whodunnit: Prosecutors admit key evidence in document case has been tamper
Post by: Coach is Back! on May 04, 2024, 12:28:04 PM
Jack “Send me back to The Hague” Smith couldn’t prosecute a turnip in an even remotely unbiased jurisdiction. Aside from the fact he was unconstitutionally appointed by not being confirmed by congress, makes him and Garland look even more like 🤡’s
Title: Re: Trump Whodunnit: Prosecutors admit key evidence in document case has been tamper
Post by: Coach is Back! on May 05, 2024, 04:55:36 PM
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/new-revelations-florida-documents-trial-put-trump-offense-against-deranged-special-counsel
Title: Re: Trump Whodunnit: Prosecutors admit key evidence in document case has been tamper
Post by: Gym Rat on May 06, 2024, 01:34:21 AM
Smoking guns vs. Libz smoking caulks...
Disgusting glory-hole kid-groomers...
Title: Re: Trump Whodunnit: Prosecutors admit key evidence in document case has been tamper
Post by: LurkerNoMore on May 06, 2024, 01:03:46 PM
When this turns out to be nothing - as usual - what will the excuses be?  Or will it be like every other thread that you just ignore hoping everyone will forget how retarded you appeared for posting it?
Title: Re: Trump Whodunnit: Prosecutors admit key evidence in document case has been tamper
Post by: Primemuscle on May 06, 2024, 01:34:32 PM
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/new-revelations-florida-documents-trial-put-trump-offense-against-deranged-special-counsel

That there are still folks, like you, around who pay attention to the nonsense Trump spews on a daily basis is truly amazing. 
Title: Re: Trump Whodunnit: Prosecutors admit key evidence in document case has been tamper
Post by: deadz on May 06, 2024, 03:07:35 PM
ALL ELECTION INTERFERENCE. None of these  lawfare "indictments" are going anywhere but bye bye. Trump will be the 47th CIC, no doubt about it.
Title: Re: Trump Whodunnit: Prosecutors admit key evidence in document case has been tamper
Post by: Primemuscle on May 06, 2024, 05:18:25 PM
ALL ELECTION INTERFERENCE. None of these  lawfare "indictments" are going anywhere but bye bye. Trump will be the 47th CIC, no doubt about it.

These unoriginal comments, you heard straight from the horse's mouth (Trumps).

Of course, it is technically election interference because it may influence the election results. So far, it does not seem to have negatively impacted Trump's ability to campaign.
Title: Re: Trump Whodunnit: Prosecutors admit key evidence in document case has been tamper
Post by: deadz on May 07, 2024, 03:02:43 PM
These unoriginal comments, you heard straight from the horse's mouth (Trumps).

Of course, it is technically election interference because it may influence the election results. So far, it does not seem to have negatively impacted Trump's ability to campaign.
It's only strengthened his polling numbers although it has caused him to not campaign as he would like but it seems to be working out anyway.

                                                                  Trump 2024! MAGA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FUCK DEMENTED JOE!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Trump Whodunnit: Prosecutors admit key evidence in document case has been tamper
Post by: Primemuscle on May 07, 2024, 03:31:42 PM
It's only strengthened his polling numbers although it has caused him to not campaign as he would like but it seems to be working out anyway.
                                                               

That is if you believe these polling numbers. I am not convinced they are accurate.
Title: Re: Trump Whodunnit: Prosecutors admit key evidence in document case has been tamper
Post by: LurkerNoMore on May 08, 2024, 07:00:55 AM
That is if you believe these polling numbers. I am not convinced they are accurate.

Remember the poll numbers in 2020?   :D

The only poll that is accurate is the one held on election day.
Title: Re: Trump Whodunnit: Prosecutors admit key evidence in document case has been tamper
Post by: Coach is Back! on May 10, 2024, 06:16:17 PM
EVIDENCE TAMPERING? Biden DOJ/Jack Smith just admitted they messed with boxes supposedly containing "classified" documents they seized from Trump and can't be sure the order or placement of the documents as originally found has been maintained -- which is contrary to what they assured the court! 

Footnote 3: The Government acknowledges that this is inconsistent with what Government counsel
previously understood and represented to the Court. See, e.g., 4/12/24 Hearing Tr. at 65
(Government responding to the Court’s question of whether the boxes were “in their original, intact
form as seized” by stating “[t]hey are, with one exception; and that is that the classified documents
have been removed and placeholders have been put in the documents”

And here is an admission of the FBI completely screwing with the classified documents:

"After the boxes were brought to WFO, the FBI created an index to correlate the documents with classification markings to codes (e.g., document “bb”) and labeled the classified cover sheets in the boxes with the codes for the seized documents. The FBI also generally replaced the handwritten sheets with classified cover sheets annotated with the index code, but regardless, any handwritten sheets that currently remain in the boxes do not represent additional classified documents—they were just not removed when the classified cover sheets with the index code were added. In many but not all instances, the FBI was able to determine which document with classification markings corresponded to a particular placeholder sheet."

Yet more reason to throw out this sham prosecution.

EVIDENCE TAMPERING? Biden DOJ/Jack Smith just admitted they messed with boxes supposedly containing "classified" documents they seized from Trump and can't be sure the order or placement of the documents as originally found has been maintained -- which is contrary to what they assured the court! 

Footnote 3: The Government acknowledges that this is inconsistent with what Government counsel
previously understood and represented to the Court. See, e.g., 4/12/24 Hearing Tr. at 65
(Government responding to the Court’s question of whether the boxes were “in their original, intact
form as seized” by stating “[t]hey are, with one exception; and that is that the classified documents
have been removed and placeholders have been put in the documents”

And here is an admission of the FBI completely screwing with the classified documents:

"After the boxes were brought to WFO, the FBI created an index to correlate the documents with classification markings to codes (e.g., document “bb”) and labeled the classified cover sheets in the boxes with the codes for the seized documents. The FBI also generally replaced the handwritten sheets with classified cover sheets annotated with the index code, but regardless, any handwritten sheets that currently remain in the boxes do not represent additional classified documents—they were just not removed when the classified cover sheets with the index code were added. In many but not all instances, the FBI was able to determine which document with classification markings corresponded to a particular placeholder sheet."

Yet more reason to throw out this sham prosecution.

https://x.com/tomfitton/status/1786532208334852584?s=46&t=XiPzOUmtpsEiVS5zhlJE2g

https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/67490070/522/united-states-v-trump/
Title: Re: Trump Whodunnit: Prosecutors admit key evidence in document case has been tamper
Post by: LurkerNoMore on May 11, 2024, 08:10:04 AM
^^  hahahahaha.   Sure it is.   :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: Trump Whodunnit: Prosecutors admit key evidence in document case has been tamper
Post by: Coach is Back! on May 11, 2024, 07:16:59 PM
^^  hahahahaha.   Sure it is.   :D :D :D :D

I posted the court docket fucktard…you know, that proof you never say I post. I own you.
Title: Re: Trump Whodunnit: Prosecutors admit key evidence in document case has been tamper
Post by: LurkerNoMore on May 12, 2024, 11:43:25 AM
^^  hahahahaaha.  Sure you do.   :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: Trump Whodunnit: Prosecutors admit key evidence in document case has been tamper
Post by: Primemuscle on May 12, 2024, 03:34:45 PM
I posted the court docket fucktard…you know, that proof you never say I post. I own you.

Coach, do you have issues with Section B Relevant Factual Background as explained in parts 1-4 of the court docket? If so, how should the FBI have handled this while protecting the parts/documents that were marked classified and/or contained classified information?
 
1. The August 8 Search
2. Processing the Boxes After Seizure
3. Preservation of Which Boxes Contained Documents With
Classification Markings
4. Location of Classified Documents Within Each Box
 
Do you agree with Judge Aileen Cannon's ruling?
Title: Re: Trump Whodunnit: Prosecutors admit key evidence in document case has been tamper
Post by: Coach is Back! on May 12, 2024, 08:01:32 PM
Coach, do you have issues with Section B Relevant Factual Background as explained in parts 1-4 of the court docket? If so, how should the FBI have handled this while protecting the parts/documents that were marked classified and/or contained classified information?
 
1. The August 8 Search
2. Processing the Boxes After Seizure
3. Preservation of Which Boxes Contained Documents With
Classification Markings
4. Location of Classified Documents Within Each Box
 
Do you agree with Judge Aileen Cannon's ruling?

You’re skating around the admission part….
Title: Re: Trump Whodunnit: Prosecutors admit key evidence in document case has been tamper
Post by: Gym Rat on May 13, 2024, 01:35:04 AM
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

Every argument = game over...  Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
  ::) ::) ::)

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Title: Re: Trump Whodunnit: Prosecutors admit key evidence in document case has been tamper
Post by: LurkerNoMore on May 13, 2024, 09:51:20 AM
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

Every argument = game over...  Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
  ::) ::) ::)

(https://img.ifunny.co/images/9ef9cb23deb1dec4f5b992cb12cc593bb4905f34a4b7021510e285370909ceea_1.jpg)

If you are going to mass post the same thing over and over on multiple threads, at least get something that is not from ifunny.com

You might as well be quoting The Onion.
Title: Re: Trump Whodunnit: Prosecutors admit key evidence in document case has been tamper
Post by: Soul Crusher on May 13, 2024, 10:11:47 AM
Another swing and a miss!    Good job liberals!  FNG idiots

Title: Re: Trump Whodunnit: Prosecutors admit key evidence in document case has been tamper
Post by: Gym Rat on May 13, 2024, 10:13:07 AM
If you are going to mass post the same thing over and over on multiple threads, at least get something that is not from ifunny.com

You might as well be quoting The Onion.

Or CNN...
Title: Re: Trump Whodunnit: Prosecutors admit key evidence in document case has been tamper
Post by: Gym Rat on May 13, 2024, 10:16:32 AM
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha


(https://img.ifunny.co/images/9ef9cb23deb1dec4f5b992cb12cc593bb4905f34a4b7021510e285370909ceea_1.jpg)


Prime caulk sukker, visiting DA HOLE,
Hobo scum, Prime suxx on their Pole,
Swallows loads like a looney lefty tard,
BBC is his favorite, gets hard,

Is he sexual, this pervert has said,
Like the Shitter this kvnt is braindead,
cleaning turds from the kiddies at school,
Pervert scum, probably fondles their tool...
Title: Re: Trump Whodunnit: Prosecutors admit key evidence in document case has been tamper
Post by: LurkerNoMore on May 13, 2024, 01:30:00 PM
Or CNN...

Or Gateway...
Title: Re: Trump Whodunnit: Prosecutors admit key evidence in document case has been tamper
Post by: Coach is Back! on May 19, 2024, 05:29:59 PM
JUST IN: Judge Cannon Calls Jack Smith Out For His Dirty Tricks in Rare Sunday Order

Judge Aileen Cannon called out Special Counsel Jack Smith for his dirty tricks in Trump’s classified documents case in a rare Sunday filing.

Jack Smith has repeatedly warned of a ‘significant, immediate’ threat to the government witnesses if their names were unredacted.

The Special Counsel has been fighting to keep the names of government witnesses a secret. He also opposed the unsealing of discovery material because one document confirms the existence of another FBI investigation.

In a five-page order, Judge Cannon, a Trump appointee, said that she is “disappointed” that Jack Smith has demanded redactions for “witness safety” when it benefits him, but ignored those concerns at other times.

The] Court deems it necessary to express concern over Special Counsel’s treatment of certain sealed materials in this case. In two separate filings related to sealing, the Special Counsel stated, without qualification, that he had no objection to full unsealing of previously sealed docket entries related to allegations of prosecutorial misconduct,” Cannon wrote.

Judge Cannon said that “nowhere in that explanation is there any basis to conclude that the Special Counsel could not have defended the integrity of his Office while simultaneously preserving the witness-safety and concerns he has repeatedly told the Court, and maintains to this day, are of serious consequence, and which the Court has endeavored with diligence to accommodate in its multiple Orders on sealing/redaction. The Court is disappointed in these developments.”

Cannon “granted in part and denied in part” Jack Smith’s motions requesting redactions in Trump’s defense filings.

Finally, to the extent the Special Counsel asserts a need for continued secrecy over the subject material under Rule 6(e) of the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure, the Court accepts that rationale despite concerns about the Special Counsel’s use of Rule 6(e) as a basis for continued secrecy, and authorizes the requested sealing/redactions subject to potential further review,” the Judge wrote.


Earlier this month Judge Aileen Cannon indefinitely postponed Jack Smith’s classified documents trial against Trump.

The Judge vacated the May 20, 2024 trial date after Jack Smith admitted the FBI messed with the boxes containing “classified” documents they seized from Trump.

The DOJ previously assured the Court that the placement of classified documents as originally found had been maintained – THEY LIED!

It may be several months until Judge Cannon sets a new trial date.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/05/judge-cannon-calls-jack-smith-his-dirty-tricks/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=judge-cannon-calls-jack-smith-his-dirty-tricks





Title: Re: Trump Whodunnit: Prosecutors admit key evidence in document case has been tamper
Post by: Grape Ape on May 19, 2024, 07:56:57 PM
Lelita case: campaigned on "getting trump", victim-less "crime", activist judge, no jury, Hochul running damage control because business in NY fleeing
Bragg case: No crime, statue of limitations expired, no proof, embarrassment thinking Cohen was the "gotcha" witness
Smith case: oops
Fani case: Fani fucking special prosecutor, taking taxpayer money for vacations.  Can't make this shit up

It's unreal.


Title: Re: Trump Whodunnit: Prosecutors admit key evidence in document case has been tamper
Post by: Gym Rat on May 20, 2024, 07:48:05 AM
Lelita case: campaigned on "getting trump", victim-less "crime", activist judge, no jury, Hochul running damage control because business in NY fleeing
Bragg case: No crime, statue of limitations expired, no proof, embarrassment thinking Cohen was the "gotcha" witness
Smith case: oops
Fani case: Fani fucking special prosecutor, taking taxpayer money for vacations.  Can't make this shit up

It's unreal.

Dumbest commies on the planet... And most corrupt..
Title: Re: Trump Whodunnit: Prosecutors admit key evidence in document case has been tamper
Post by: visualizeperfection on May 20, 2024, 03:07:18 PM
Lelita case: campaigned on "getting trump", victim-less "crime", activist judge, no jury, Hochul running damage control because business in NY fleeing
Bragg case: No crime, statue of limitations expired, no proof, embarrassment thinking Cohen was the "gotcha" witness
Smith case: oops
Fani case: Fani fucking special prosecutor, taking taxpayer money for vacations.  Can't make this shit up

It's unreal.

What’s the common denominator amongst these would be hero’s? I mean, is there anything they all have in common?
Title: Re: Trump Whodunnit: Prosecutors admit key evidence in document case has been tamper
Post by: Coach is Back! on May 20, 2024, 04:33:15 PM
What’s the common denominator amongst these would be hero’s? I mean, is there anything they all have in common?

Soros, Clinton, Obama, China and the need for power by way of one party rule
Title: Re: Trump Whodunnit: Prosecutors admit key evidence in document case has been tamper
Post by: chaos on May 20, 2024, 04:52:06 PM
What’s the common denominator amongst these would be hero’s? I mean, is there anything they all have in common?
Faggotry
Title: Re: Trump Whodunnit: Prosecutors admit key evidence in document case has been tamper
Post by: Skeletor on May 21, 2024, 05:35:18 PM
Biden administration authorized 'Use of Deadly Force' in Mar-a-Lago raid

The Biden administration authorized the use of deadly force during the FBI’s raid on former President Trump’s Mar-a-Lago estate in Florida in August 2022 as part of its investigation into classified records, court documents revealed.

An "Operations Order" produced in discovery as part of Special Counsel Jack Smith’s investigation into Trump’s alleged improper retention of classified records revealed that the "FBI believed its objective for the Mar-a-Lago raid was to seize ‘classified information, NDI, and US Government records,’" as described in the search warrant.

The order, according to a court filing, contained a "Policy Statement" regarding "Use of Deadly Force," which stated, for example, "Law Enforcement officers of the Department of Justice may use deadly force when necessary."

The FBI told Fox News in a statement, "The FBI followed standard protocol in this search as we do for all search warrants, which includes a standard policy statement limiting the use of deadly force. No one ordered additional steps to be taken and there was no departure from the norm in this matter."

According to the filing, the DOJ and FBI agents "planned to bring ‘Standard Issue Weapons,' ‘Ammo,’ ‘Handcuffs,’ and ‘medium and large sized bolt cutters,’ but they were instructed to wear ‘unmarked polo or collared shirts’ and to keep ‘law enforcement equipment concealed."

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-administration-authorized-use-of-deadly-force-mar-a-lago-raid