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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: HERACLES on May 08, 2006, 07:11:56 PM
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I was thinking...
SO bodybuilders, as most of us are, in the amateur level- you all know what goes into it; Instense training, dieting (eating healthy primarily, with high amounts of proteins), and in most cases alot of cardio.
In many cases, bodybuilder ARE athletes..I picked football, but I should throw in BOXING too, and if anyone can find a similar sport thats closely related to bodybuilding- please add-
Instead of killing themselves to be pros, couldnt they easily get to the NFL? Well, not easily, but you know what I mean. The tools are there, dedication to physical training, dedication period. ALot of pro athletese hardly hit the gym it seems..I guess its mostly talent..
DOnt mention the gear because im saying hypthetically, someone who decides there is no future in pro bodybuilding, and decides to put their hard work and passion towards trying to make it in another venue, like boxing, maybe fighting? Or in the NFL..
ANd if this is a dumb ass though, you have permission to say so.lol.. Isnt it true though? Bodybuilders, AND fitness competitors, and female bodybuilders true athletes, that could compete in any sport.
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Just because you are sports bound doesn't mean that actual bodybuilders are.
Food for though!
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Perhaps this was a stupid post :-\
I think Shawn Ray had a HUGE football history before bodybuilding. Didnt you Shawn? I remember reading about it when they did a story in some muscle magazine..you were in it doing the Heisman pose- Am I right?
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That is true. I realized that while i was typing out the thread..Its a cruel, sad sport isnt it? I mean, compared to othe rpro sports. Hell, a pro football player, third stringer, someone that SUCKS riding the pine- they are making what, $300,000 a year at least?
In bodybuilding its such a sacrifice, so much hard work, so much let down, aaarrgh..it sucks.. Everyone else that places under the TOP 5 at the MR 0 is hurting for cash i remember readin in some BB mag..is this true?
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Nathan Wonsley was a running back in the NFL and is now a pro bodybuilder. Many bodybuilders were athletes in other sports before becoming bodybuilders not sure of any the other way around.
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I think both Cormier and Dex were given football scholarships but couldn't accept them. I know Dex had to support his family and thus didn't go. I think Cormier sustained an injury. I read about The Blade in one of his columns. As for Chris, I might be completely wrong - I think Lonnie Teper said something about it at an Ironman but I could be full of shit . . .
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So did anyone else hear about our Shawn Ray? Im pretty sure he was a big football player before BB.
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So did anyone else hear about our Shawn Ray? Im pretty sure he was a big football player before BB.
He went all the way to the initiation part and got kicked out because he enjoyed it too much. :-\
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Ray seems like too much of a pussy to have played, unless he was a place-kicker. Robinson, Coleman and Waller played as well as Katz. Muscle & strength would help but it takes a certain degree of technique, athleticism & toughness to know how to give & take hits.
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Perhaps this was a stupid post :-\
I think Shawn Ray had a HUGE football history before bodybuilding. Didnt you Shawn? I remember reading about it when they did a story in some muscle magazine..you were in it doing the Heisman pose- Am I right?
Exactly what do you mean by HUGE. He is 5'7" how huge could he have been. DId he even play outside of high school football if that. You perciption of huge is way off. He might have done pretty well in Pop Warner since he could have passed for 12 even though he was 16. I believe that more than anything else.
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I think if you have a bodybuilder / lean powerlifter that is 5'11" weighs 200lbs
Benches 2.5 X bodyweight
DLs 3.5 X Bodyweight
Squats 3.25 X Bodyweight
Someobody with this type of power would be a very effective player in the NFL.., they put more emphasis than ever on athletic abilities so somebody with this type of capability would get a chance.
-sS
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there is no money in football unless your a pro. To become a Pro you have to be very good, how many college football players are there in the country? Most of them have no chance of turning pro.
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I think if you have a bodybuilder / lean powerlifter that is 5'11" weighs 200lbs
Benches 2.5 X bodyweight
DLs 3.5 X Bodyweight
Squats 3.25 X Bodyweight
Someobody with this type of power would be a very effective player in the NFL.., they put more emphasis than ever on athletic abilities so somebody with this type of capability would get a chance.
-sS
Combines are intrested in 4 things:
Time in the 40
Long jump lenght
Shuttle
And vertical leap
If your numbers are good, the 225 bench test is irrelevant, deadlifts and squats are not even tested. Combine coaches are looking for speed and explosive power. Bottom line, athletes can become bodybuilders but bodybuilders at lets say National level and above cannot, they would be way too susceptible to running injuries. If I've said it once I'll say it a million times...Bodybuilders ARE NOT athletes, not to say some were at one time!
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Onlyme, I thought you and Shawn had called a truce? Saying that he could have passed for 12 when 16 is not conducive to building bridges.. is it?
I thought so too but he attacked me on another thread again. I was wondering the same thing. Oh well now you can see how much he enjoys it.
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The guys who get drafted into the NFL are tremendous natural athletes. They tend to have a big bone structure, and are naturally big and strong. Most bodybuilders are not naturally big or athletic. They wouldn't have gone into bodybuilding if they had the athletic ability to play in the NFL.
I don't think it's good enough to be strong. Even Bill Kazmaier couldn't make it in the NFL.
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Mike Katz played for the Packers right.
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Mike Katz played for the Packers right.
full back for the jets......chris cormier was a d1 wrestler
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Haney was a star running back in high school, and got hurt playing in college. I think his career-ending injury was a blessing in disguise.
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Jay and Ronnie used to play football before entering into bodybuilding world.. but of course, they're not NFL pros
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full back for the jets......chris cormier was a d1 wrestler
Yes sorry. I just remember green from Pumping Iron
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Katz was an offensive lineman for the Jets.
I remember when Ferrigno had a try-out with Toronto as a lineman. No football experience, so it would have been nearly impossible to step in and play without any prior exposure.
Waller played in the CFL. Robby was a RB, in Florida i think.
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Combines are intrested in 4 things:
Time in the 40
Long jump lenght
Shuttle
And vertical leap
If your numbers are good, the 225 bench test is irrelevant, deadlifts and squats are not even tested. Combine coaches are looking for speed and explosive power. Bottom line, athletes can become bodybuilders but bodybuilders at lets say National level and above cannot, they would be way too susceptible to running injuries. If I've said it once I'll say it a million times...Bodybuilders ARE NOT athletes, not to say some were at one time!
Yes and someone with the stats that I listed would likely have an excellent vertical and 40 time, probably in the elite range for all athletes that enter the combine.
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Yes and someone with the stats that I listed would likely have an excellent vertical and 40 time, probably in the elite range for all athletes that enter the combine.
Their looking for a 4.6 or better in the 40 and a at LEAST a 36" vertical......sorry, it ain't going to happend I can promise you that!
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Their looking for a 4.6 or better in the 40 and a at LEAST a 36" vertical......sorry, it ain't going to happend I can promise you that!
hey genius didn't you know that powerlifters and o-lifters have some of the fastest 40s and highest verticals.
The O -lifters kept pace with the olympic sprinters in the 40
I think that they shouldn't have problems keeping up with NFL players LOL
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Jay and Ronnie used to play football before entering into bodybuilding world.. but of course, they're not NFL pros
I was a noseguard, but dislocated both my shoulders, several time. Ran about 4.8-4.9 in the 40, @ 270lbs.
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I was a noseguard, but dislocated both my shoulders, several time. Ran about 4.8-4.9 in the 40, @ 270lbs.
LOL..HOly Shit Jack, that sreaking fast. Like MAdden says "These big ol linemen will run you down now adays, aint like the old days".. ;D
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hey genius didn't you know that powerlifters and o-lifters have some of the fastest 40s and highest verticals.
The O -lifters kept pace with the olympic sprinters in the 40
I think that they shouldn't have problems keeping up with NFL players LOL
Hey genius, were talking about bodybuilders. Usually powerlifters and olympic lifters are train more funtionally. Look dude I prepare athletes for combines every year....in other words, I do this shit for a living so I know what I speak!
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I was a noseguard, but dislocated both my shoulders, several time. Ran about 4.8-4.9 in the 40, @ 270lbs.
Those are decent numbers for a guy your size. But when your training changed to bodybuilding, I would have assumed it slowed you down and lateral runs were much more difficult and would probably leave you injury prone.
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Give me a break, if any ifbb pro could make it in arena football let alone the nfl they would. 10x the salary/respect.
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I was a noseguard, but dislocated both my shoulders, several time. Ran about 4.8-4.9 in the 40, @ 270lbs.
Great numbers, Jack! You're an amazing man!
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Re: Can Pro Bodybuilder or TOP amateur bodybuilder make it in the NFL?
In one word, NO.
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Unless they have prior experience they could only hope to be a lineman cause everything else requires alot of athletic skill and knowlegde that can't be learned by lifting weights or eating right. An example is troy polamalu from the steelers, he doesn't lift anything over 40lbs, all he does is conditioning and on the feild training and drills with light dumbell work and he's a pro bowl safety.
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Those are decent numbers for a guy your size. But when your training changed to bodybuilding, I would have assumed it slowed you down and lateral runs were much more difficult and would probably leave you injury prone.
Yes, although my speed is still under 5, I was going to try out for the arena football team in Orlando in 2002.(What was I thinking?!) I pulled my hamstring after like 5 sprints. Yes, too fucking old.....
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Great numbers, Jack! You're an amazing man!
Can't anymore, but up to a few years ago, I could dunk a basketball, at like 270lbs.
beilieve it or not.
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No i think that it can be the other way around , but you need skills in those sports and mental toughness...
Plus Agility is huge!!
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Hey genius, were talking about bodybuilders. Usually powerlifters and olympic lifters are train more funtionally. Look dude I prepare athletes for combines every year....in other words, I do this shit for a living so I know what I speak!
hey fuckface read my orignal post, all I mentioned was stats. anyone with the state I mentioned would make a damned good defensive back (corner or safety)
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Can't anymore, but up to a few years ago, I could dunk a basketball, at like 270lbs.
beilieve it or not.
I can dunk at that weight, minus 110 pounds ;D
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Great numbers, Jack! You're an amazing man!
Tell you another strange factoid about the Rhino. i was captain of the ski team in high school. At like 275, i would race, slalom, and GS!!!!! What a sight that was. But I think when I retire, i will move to Colorado and be a ski instructor....
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Tell you another strange factoid about the Rhino. i was captain of the ski team in high school. At like 275, i would race, slalom, and GS!!!!! What a sight that was. But I think when I retire, i will move to Colorado and be a ski instructor....
When are you planning on retiring? You've still got a while ;D
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yes Rhino! Us bigger guys are still athletic!
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yes Rhino! Us bigger guys are still athletic!
alexxx:
1) you are not big
2) you suck
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not only will alexxx be my olympia he will be a pro bowl center
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I was thinking...
SO bodybuilders, as most of us are, in the amateur level- you all know what goes into it; Instense training, dieting (eating healthy primarily, with high amounts of proteins), and in most cases alot of cardio.
In many cases, bodybuilder ARE athletes..I picked football, but I should throw in BOXING too, and if anyone can find a similar sport thats closely related to bodybuilding- please add-
Instead of killing themselves to be pros, couldnt they easily get to the NFL? Well, not easily, but you know what I mean. The tools are there, dedication to physical training, dedication period. ALot of pro athletese hardly hit the gym it seems..I guess its mostly talent..
DOnt mention the gear because im saying hypthetically, someone who decides there is no future in pro bodybuilding, and decides to put their hard work and passion towards trying to make it in another venue, like boxing, maybe fighting? Or in the NFL..
ANd if this is a dumb ass though, you have permission to say so.lol.. Isnt it true though? Bodybuilders, AND fitness competitors, and female bodybuilders true athletes, that could compete in any sport.
It will help with increased strength and stamina, but you acquire no skill development particular to the sport in the gym.
And don't think for a minute that it's easy to make the nfl. Most BBers will cry like a girl if they get hit from a pro lineman.
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alexxx:
1) you are not big
2) you suck
Alexxx makes you look like Rumplestiltskin ::)
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fast motherfuckers tend to put on the most muscle because of the majority fast twitch muscles, any running back in the NFL could be a top bodybuilder if they juiced.
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fast motherfuckers tend to put on the most muscle because of the majority fast twitch muscles, any running back in the NFL could be a top bodybuilder if they juiced.
Many running backs are too thick in the midsection to be impressive onstage, in my opinion.
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yep thick joint structures too. A lot of them are also too tall
freaky maybe, but not asthetic
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Alexxx makes you look like Rumplestiltskin ::)
Lord, please strike the fool out of this poor soul!
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Lord, please strike the fool out of this poor soul!
Blasphemy! It is written in the bible not to commit suicide!
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if they juiced.
LOL...what do you mean "IF"?
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Lord, please strike the fool out of this poor soul!
Looks like Alexxx just had set up shop inside WOOO's head ,,,
jajajjajaj jae jonnn NAH
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LOL...what do you mean "IF"?
The drug tests in the NFL are very strict unlike the MLB only few of them juice, they have NATURAL ABILITY. Just because someone is good doesn't mean they juice.
yep thick joint structures too. A lot of them are also too tall
freaky maybe, but not asthetic
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Running backs are usually shorter for football players. 5'10 - 6'1 average. If they trained like bodybuilders, they would have the best physiques for football players.
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Looks like Alexxx just had set up shop inside WOOO's head ,,,
jajajjajaj jae jonnn NAH
Hahahahahaha yes, and he ain't even paying rent ;D
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The drug tests in the NFL are very strict unlike the MLB only few of them juice, they have NATURAL ABILITY. Just because someone is good doesn't mean they juice.
They are strict but if you knew and heard the things that players were saying (usage) at the last combine in March where there were 500 players and at least 30% were NFL and a few with superbowl rings you would have thought the freaking coaches were distributing them. It was obvious to me that it was no secret!
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They are strict but if you knew and heard the things that players were saying (usage) at the last combine in March where there were 500 players and at least 30% were NFL and a few with superbowl rings you would have thought the freaking coaches were distributing them. It was obvious to me that it was no secret!
The testing allows someone to have a fairly high ratio of testosterone to epitestosterone doesn't it? ???
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But I think when I retire, i will move to Colorado and be a ski instructor....
When you're there, stop in the local Salvation Army and say hi to Shawn Ray. After losing his shirt at the Colo Pro, he'll be in there shopping for a deal!
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I was thinking...
SO bodybuilders, as most of us are, in the amateur level- you all know what goes into it; Instense training, dieting (eating healthy primarily, with high amounts of proteins), and in most cases alot of cardio.
In many cases, bodybuilder ARE athletes..I picked football, but I should throw in BOXING too, and if anyone can find a similar sport thats closely related to bodybuilding- please add-
Instead of killing themselves to be pros, couldnt they easily get to the NFL? Well, not easily, but you know what I mean. The tools are there, dedication to physical training, dedication period. ALot of pro athletese hardly hit the gym it seems..I guess its mostly talent..
DOnt mention the gear because im saying hypthetically, someone who decides there is no future in pro bodybuilding, and decides to put their hard work and passion towards trying to make it in another venue, like boxing, maybe fighting? Or in the NFL..
ANd if this is a dumb ass though, you have permission to say so.lol.. Isnt it true though? Bodybuilders, AND fitness competitors, and female bodybuilders true athletes, that could compete in any sport.
::) i have a better chance of hitting the 50 million dollar lottery!
your asking if a pro bb can just mosey on into the nfl when some top bb's couldnt even cut it in pro wrestling?
use your brain man!
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The testing allows someone to have a fairly high ratio of testosterone to epitestosterone doesn't it? ???
I'm honestly not sure, I keep all my athletes I train away from steroids, pro-hormones or anything that will elevate their test levels and set off red flags. I did however have one of my college athletes place 7th in the 40 (4.54) in that same combine beating out quite a few NFL vets and I can vouch he was clean.
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I'm honestly not sure, I keep all my athletes I train away from steroids, pro-hormones or anything that will elevate their test levels and set off red flags. I did however have one of my college athletes place 7th in the 40 (4.54) in that same combine beating out quite a few NFL vets and I can vouch he was clean.
Cool. Do you work with any Ohio State guys?
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Cool. Do you work with any Ohio State guys?
No!
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No!
Why not? Are you a Michigan Man? >:(
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Why not? Are you a Michigan Man? >:(
LOL, I'm in California, I get alot of local athletes as the seasons come around. Unless I'm doing periodization training, training athletes is seasonal.
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LOL, I'm in California, I get alot of local athletes as the seasons come around. Unless I'm doing periodization training, training athletes is seasonal.
Ok, you're cool with me as long as you aren't a Michigan Man ;D