i think it has more to do with carbing up and eating too much. not just eating too much before the show, but all the time. if you eat alot all of the time, which is what the bigger guys do, it stretches out the stomach.I gotta go with this one. Look at older pictures of Ronnie and his tight midsection with the close abs. Now he's got that ugly big space between them and the concurrent increase in waist size. Don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining, and do not tell me these guts are from overeating. ::)
also, there have been times, when the guts havent been as big as in the past. if that was the result of gh use, the guts would be the same size all the time, but guys like dennis james, gustavo, ronnie, jay, dillet, and even fux have shown up with a smaller gut that in a past contest while being almost as big.
also, guys like dexter, kevin, david henry, flex wheeler, gunter, all do their fare share of gh/insulin and dont have the guts. maybe its genetic or maybe they dont each as much.
it could be the gh and insulin. guys in the past didnt have the guts, but also guys werent as big on stage and in the offseason and werent eating as much.
besides, what in insulin would make the stomach to protude out? insulin is mostly a transport hormone. does it transport more nutrients into the stomach and make it stick out? possibly.
but then again, who knows. check out fux in BFTO 99. wow.
besides, what in insulin would make the stomach to protude out? insulin is mostly a transport hormone. does it transport more nutrients into the stomach and make it stick out? possibly.
In the recent Muscle Mag Int, KING K had an article on the 5 biggest myths in pro bodybuilding.Are you sure that's what he says? He has said insulin causes distention on his website.
While I agree with him that genetics, diet and training are the majority reasons for success, I strongly disagree with his explanation for the distended belly. He claims it hs nothing to do with HGH/insulin abuse and is simpky due to eating a lot of food. Hmmmm, I know plenty of fat guys that eat but they look like Homer Simpson , big belly but lots of fat. A guy with very low fat and very ripped looking abs can't have huge gut unless "something" UN natural is going on ya know
Slin causes fat deposits in the abdomen under the muscle.There must be a gh connection too, tho. Kovacs is an easy example to cite. His gut (esp. the obliques) have been deformed/widened to such a degree that it resembles that of a gorillas. It isn't human. Koamali's gut also taking on this shape as well, tho not to such a degree. Hideous.
No, in his case it's a recognized medical condition known as Palumboism.Good point, GB. Sorry, I meant less the huge 'palumbo' portruding gut (although that is disturbing in itself), and more that the obliques seem to be ever-expanding outward like a tire or a raft. The low levels of bodyfat reveal this monstrosity nicely. Is it reversible? The huge gut seems to shrink when these guys go off the sauce...
Do you have any idea how much food these guys have to eat to be a lean 300? Of course there will be some distention. I think you guys need to read up on what distention truly is and how it's caused before you say it's GH & insulin:
Abdomen - swollen
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Definition:
A swollen abdomen is marked by increased abdominal girth.
Alternative Names:
Swollen belly; Swelling in the abdomen; Abdominal distention; Distended abdomen
Considerations:
Abdominal distention is a common condition, which usually results from over-eating, rather than from a serious illness. Simple weight gain, premenstrual syndrome (PMS), pregnancy, or the unconscious swallowing of air can also cause distention.
Abdominal distention is often caused by intestinal gas. This may result from eating fibrous foods such as fruits and vegetables. Legumes such as beans are common sources of intestinal gas. People who are lactose intolerant cannot properly digest dairy foods, and eating such foods may cause distention.
Abdominal distention may also occasionally result from the accumulation of fluid in the abdomen, which can be a sign of serious medical problems. There are usually other symptoms in this case.
Common Causes:
overeating
lactose intolerance
air swallowing (a nervous habit)
irritable bowel syndrome
partial bowel obstruction
Home Care:
Distention resulting from a heavy meal will go away when the food is digested. Eating in moderation will help prevent swelling.
For distention caused by swallowing air, awareness often leads to self-control. Eat slowly, avoid carbonated beverages, avoid chewing gum or sucking on candies, avoid drinking through a straw, or sipping the surface of a hot beverage.
For distention caused by malabsorption, try changing diets and reducing milk consumption. Consult your doctor.
For irritable bowel syndrome, increase dietary fiber, decrease emotional stress, and consult your doctor.
For distention resulting from other causes, follow prescribed therapy to treat the underlying cause.
Call your health care provider if:
Reasons to call your health care provider include the following:
Your abdominal girth is getting worse and unrelenting.
The swelling is accompanied by other unexplained symptoms.
Your abdomen is tender to the touch.
What to expect at your health care provider's office:
Your health care provider will obtain a medical history and perform a detailed examination.
Medical history questions documenting swollen abdomen in detail may include the following:
Time pattern
Did it begin recently?
Does it occur after meals or after specific foods?
What other symptoms are occurring at the same time? Especially, have you noticed:
Weight gain
Irritability
Absent menstrual period
Vomiting
Excessive fatigue
Excessive gas (flatus) or belching
Diarrhea
Diagnostic tests that may be performed include the following:
Abdominal CT scan
Abdominal ultrasound
Blood tests
Endoscopy
Esophagogastroduodenosco py (EGD)
Colonoscopy
Sigmoidoscopy
Laparoscopy
Paracentesis
Stool analysis
X-rays of the abdomen
I also never have once seen a lifetime Natural bodybuilder diet down and have a distended gut. EVER.
Cold is right, I know many natural bodybuilders who have eaten more than Kamali on a consistent basis I am sure and when they diet down, their waste is tiny.
hahah I am one of them. 6000-10,000 calories a day!
I also never have once seen a lifetime Natural bodybuilder diet down and have a distended gut. EVER.right ::)
Cold is right, I know many natural bodybuilders who have eaten more than Kamali on a consistent basis I am sure and when they diet down, their waste is tiny.
hahah I am one of them. 6000-10,000 calories a day!
OK, the cyclists in Tour de france get about 7000 calories a day from food, and they can use up to 10000 calories some days while competing so they must have huuuuge bellies then... because Kamali says so ::)
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1) There is no way that a natural BB who is 5'9" eats as much as a Juiced BB at 5'9", simply because the juiced BB will have 30-60 pounds more muscle !!! Muscle consumes 40 calories / pound every day. Therefore the juiced BB HAS TO eat 1200-2400 more calories / day-EVERY DAY-than the natural guy.
To say that a Natty eats as much as a juicer is absolutely ridiculous.
2) I said that food was the MAIN reason, not the ONLY reason. The drugs do have an effect, but FOOD is the main reason. Arnold was 231 lbs in 1975 Olympia, 28 years old. Coleman is around 285 at 5'11". If Coleman was 6'2" like Arnold, he would be weighing 315 pounds !!! How much more food must Coleman eat EVERY F-----g Day to maintain that advantage at comparable bodyheights ? 2000-3000 calories ? So if Arnold & Coleman stood onstage next to each other at the same height (6'2") whose waist would look larger ? Then you must factor in that Coleman would be eating an extra 3000 cal / day for 13 ADDITIONAL YEARS ! Tell me-Where is all that food supposed to go so that it doesn't press against the abdominal wall & create distension ?
(3000 extra calories) X (13 years) X (365 days) = 14,235,000 extra calories !!
Ronnie Coleman would have eaten 14 MILLION more calories than Arnold , and you IDIOTS wonder
why Colemans stomach sticks out further !!
You people literally have no clue as to what you are talking about...
3) I shouldnt calling you people pinheads, well....Yes I should. You are all out of your minds, and know nothing about the sport if you cant figure out the main reason is the food.
4) Lee Haney retired at 29 years old, Arnold at 28 !! They kept their small waists because they retired young !!! Look how bad Arnolds waist looked in that famous picture of him on the beach a couple years ago !! Because he was OLDER !! Accoring to your theories, ARnold must be using GH & "Slin (dawg), becasue his waist is so large !! The reason is that Arnold has been eating food for 25 MORE YEARS since his Olympia Days, and JUST LIKE THE ROOTS of a TREE, His INSIDES have slowly been growing for the last 25 years, AMAZINGLY, wHile EATING LESS FOOD than when Arnold competed. The older a man gets, the harder it is to keep the waist tight while eating the SAME amount of food !! Yates had a little gut at 35 years old, Coleman does at 41.
5) You all must be relatively younger guys (under 32) to not have figured out the age thing yet.
What are you trying to prove with this post? LOL!
Show me anywhere in the recognized medical literature where it has been demonstrated that human intestines, stomachs and livers get significantly larger in the normal corse of aging.
Until you do, this is just bullshit theorizing on your part.
Here's where his argument falls flat: yes, as you get older you need fewer calories and if you don't reduce your calories your bodyfat will go up and your waist size along with it. But, if you are dieted down to 6% for a show, why would that matter? 6% is 6%, whether you are 25 or 45. Maybe an older person is more likely to have higher bodyfat, but if he doesn't (anyone dieted down for a show obviously doesn't), there will be no effect to the waist.
Can you provide a scientific reference that provides any proof that one pound of muscle burns exactly 40 calories per day in anyone and everyone? Am I reading your post correctly in that you appear to be implying that you know for a fact that Coleman ate "x" more calories per day than Arnold because he weighed "y" pounds more than Arnold? You appear to be totally ignoring individuality - differences in bone structure, metabolism, activity levels, etc. But you do appear to have good basic math skills. Are you by chance a Heavy Duty / HIT advocate?
And as for your theory about age and food being primarily responsible for the guts - as you know, the metabolism slows with age. A 25 year old 250lb bodybuilder will require fewer and fewer calories to maintain that size as he ages. He may need 8,000 calories a day at 25, but will likely be needing far fewer calories at 35. Of course he will also find it harder to keep bodyfat down. This assumes that no hormones or other drugs were used. Drug usage complicates things and changes the whole picture.
You honestly believe that it's strictly age and food - that drugs like gh, IGF-1, and insulin play virtually no part in the distention? Did Bill Pearl or Robbie Robinson (both of whom competed well past their thirties) ever have huge guts onstage (or even offseason)?
At 36, I'm a good 60-70 pounds heavier than I was at 26 (alot more muscle, a little more fat), but I actually cannot eat like I could then. My gut sticks out a little, but it flattens out nicely when I drop 20-25 pounds for "beach season". I have yet to use any bodybuilding drugs.
C'mon. Why is it that groups of "high energy" athletes like cyclists, footballers, triathletes etc. eat insane amounts of food but never have that bloated look so common in pro bbing???
Mick Jagger almost died for you bitches! >:(
And all these 15000 people you are comparing with, they are contest ready and lowered their BF to the levels at which PROs competes? Because this is what we are talking about here, PROs with big guts on stage competing at low BF levels. We are not talking about aging people hanging around GNC having a hard time getting rid of BF accumulated around their waist and in their guts due to an age related slower metabolism. Get them down to 5% BF, then I'm with you on that comparison.
Dirk, C'mon, None of the athletes you mentioned eat ANYWHERE near as much as a BB. An NFL lineman that weighs 300 probably eats far less than a IFBB pro at 300 pounds.. When is the last tiome you saw Warren Sapp or Rueben Brown or Kinyatta Walker eating 10 times a day...EVERY DAY ??Do you have any idea the caloric expense of the "tour"????? These guys aren't fat on the first stage either.
I just posted what Lance Armstrong eats, it is a joke..
What sets BB-ing apart from ALL OTHER ATHLETES is their incredible nutritional regimen.
No other athlete can hold a candle to what these guys eat.
Do you have any idea the caloric expense of the "tour"????? These guys aren't fat on the first stage either.
when Labrada was on PBW he said it was due to insulin & GH so to say its just large ammounts of food is nonsense .
Another unscientific myth that fools believe, brought to you by rabid vegans and the people who want to sell you "colon cleansing" supplements. ::)