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How pathetic. I started lifting weights when I was 12 years old (now almost 30) and reading Muscle & Fitness and Flex at the same time. I have seen a lot of bullshit over the years including real bullshit at the 94 NOC where a real bull actually shit on the stage. But none of that stinks as bad as this. Is McGough the new dictator of the Mr. O? Does he decide who can and cannot have press passes? So much for Freedom of the press huh? Pathetic. Allowing Md to be there gives a different take on the Olympia than just Flex Magazine. I am ashamed to have a subscription to Flex.
I don't post a lot, but I have been in this sport for a long time. I have competed and plan on doing so again in the future. Anyways...just my 2 cents.
Travis
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How pathetic. I started lifting weights when I was 12 years old (now almost 30) and reading Muscle & Fitness and Flex at the same time. I have seen a lot of bullshit over the years including real bullshit at the 94 NOC where a real bull actually shit on the stage. But none of that stinks as bad as this. Is McGough the new dictator of the Mr. O? Does he decide who can and cannot have press passes? So much for Freedom of the press huh? Pathetic. Allowing Md to be there gives a different take on the Olympia than just Flex Magazine. I am ashamed to have a subscription to Flex.
I don't post a lot, but I have been in this sport for a long time. I have competed and plan on doing so again in the future. Anyways...just my 2 cents.
Travis
Get ready for the Horton zone defense.
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Get ready for the Horton zone defense.
complete with a shot at the PDI
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Get ready for the Horton zone defense.
Horton is the only guy who's shown any kind of journalistic integrity over at FLEX.
Ironically, he's not even a writer, I think he's done a handful of articles though.
FLEX needs Horton.
Horton doesn't need FLEX.
YIP
Zack
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Horton is the only guy who's shown any kind of journalistic integrity over at FLEX.
Ironically, he's not even a writer, I think he's done a handful of articles though.
FLEX needs Horton.
Horton doesn't need FLEX.
YIP
Zack
Agreed!
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I WON'T BE RENEWING MY SUBSCRIPTION
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MgGough is the main guy at AMI, who are the promoters of the Olympia. He can choose whomever he wants to have a press pass.
And McGough has said that Muscular Development which includes Steve Blechman and his wife Elyse, John Romano, Dave Lalumbo, Flex Wheeler, Alan Dittrich, Stephen Kolbasuk, Anssi Manninem, and others will not get any pres spasses for their show. It is a form of punishing the #2 magazine after Flex from getting those special shots they need. Nah - it is a more of supressing the freedom of the speech. Nah - it is a form of punishing them for supporting the PDI. Of course - all of the above.
But that doesn't mean that Steve cannot buy his own VIP tickets and get whatever pictures he wants from the shows. It is just an attack from AMI to MD. Let the battle begin.
I am amazed it took Peter 4 years of putting his head and hiding and taking it all and only now firing back. You should of done it a long time ago.
Now guys - it should be some great fireworks at the press conference - when Steve Blechman, Jon Romano, Flex Wheeler and the rest start to ask questions. Alas - they can't ask questionts. They are now considered illigitimate press journalists.
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Horton is the only guy who's shown any kind of journalistic integrity over at FLEX.
Ironically, he's not even a writer, I think he's done a handful of articles though.
FLEX needs Horton.
Horton doesn't need FLEX.
YIP
Zack
Thanks.
But I wouldn't go anywhere else.
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MgGough is the main guy at AMI, who are the promoters of the Olympia. He can choose whomever he wants to have a press pass.
And McGough has said that Muscular Development which includes Steve Blechman and his wife Elyse, John Romano, Dave Lalumbo, Flex Wheeler, Alan Dittrich, Stephen Kolbasuk, Anssi Manninem, and others will not get any pres spasses for their show. It is a form of punishing the #2 magazine after Flex from getting those special shots they need. Nah - it is a more of supressing the freedom of the speech. Nah - it is a form of punishing them for supporting the PDI. Of course - all of the above.
But that doesn't mean that Steve cannot buy his own VIP tickets and get whatever pictures he wants from the shows. It is just an attack from AMI to MD. Let the battle begin.
I am amazed it took Peter 4 years of putting his head and hiding and taking it all and only now firing back. You should of done it a long time ago.
Now guys - it should be some great fireworks at the press conference - when Steve Blechman, Jon Romano, Flex Wheeler and the rest start to ask questions. Alas - they can't ask questionts. They are now considered illigitimate press journalists.
Now????
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MgGough is the main guy at AMI, who are the promoters of the Olympia. He can choose whomever he wants to have a press pass.
And McGough has said that Muscular Development which includes Steve Blechman and his wife Elyse, John Romano, Dave Lalumbo, Flex Wheeler, Alan Dittrich, Stephen Kolbasuk, Anssi Manninem, and others will not get any pres spasses for their show. It is a form of punishing the #2 magazine after Flex from getting those special shots they need. Nah - it is a more of supressing the freedom of the speech. Nah - it is a form of punishing them for supporting the PDI. Of course - all of the above.
But that doesn't mean that Steve cannot buy his own VIP tickets and get whatever pictures he wants from the shows. It is just an attack from AMI to MD. Let the battle begin.
I am amazed it took Peter 4 years of putting his head and hiding and taking it all and only now firing back. You should of done it a long time ago.
Now guys - it should be some great fireworks at the press conference - when Steve Blechman, Jon Romano, Flex Wheeler and the rest start to ask questions. Alas - they can't ask questionts. They are now considered illigitimate press journalists.
They can ask questions...We'l be letting the FANS ask a few questions throughout the press conference... ;D
MD brought this on themselves, and have no one to point the finger at, or complain for that matter...
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They can ask questions...We'l be letting the FANS ask a few questions throughout the press conference... ;D
MD brought this on themselves, and have no one to point the finger at, or complain for that matter...
Has there been a complaint or a finger pointed?
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WE SHOULD ALL E-AIL FLEX MAGAZINE AND LET THEM KNOW HOW WE FEEL........POSSIBLE BOYCOTT
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They can ask questions...We'l be letting the FANS ask a few questions throughout the press conference... ;D
MD brought this on themselves, and have no one to point the finger at, or complain for that matter...
It's a big blow to the idea of free press, punishing supposedly childish acts and low-blows by pulling their press cards.
I like the idea of getting fans to interact. But journalists are better equipped to get answers for the fans.
So a move to make it harder for MD to do their journalistic mission at the biggest contest in bodybuilding is a huge failure.
For everyone.
Hopefully, everyone will see this, and MD will get their passes.
YIP
Zack
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They can ask questions...We'l be letting the FANS ask a few questions throughout the press conference... ;D
MD brought this on themselves, and have no one to point the finger at, or complain for that matter...
I disagree with you on many points, Bob, but you've hit the nail here. The vulvas over at Testicular Maldevelopment have pushed their luck once too often, and now it's come back to bite them on their collective, zit-covered ass. "Well, here’s some good news, guys. You don’t have to suffer through this year’s Olympia Weekend because no press passes will be approved for any MD staff. Have a great September 29/30 weekend. We hear on that very weekend that the Disney Channel are running a Mickey Mouse marathon, so if you’re really attentive you may pick up some tips on how to upgrade your operation to that level."
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Wow! Is this really happening? :-\
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WE SHOULD ALL E-AIL FLEX MAGAZINE AND LET THEM KNOW HOW WE FEEL........POSSIBLE BOYCOTT
Haha no one is going to boycott flex magazine you freak!
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Haha no one is going to boycott flex magazine you freak!
hahaha.... I'm sayin'. No one is gonna boycott the magazine 'cause you've got people like me who like it - sorry. ;D
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MD is banned from the O? What about freedom of speech? They can say whatever they want. Screw AMI and Flex. What a bunch of pricks. I mean they have sunk to a new low. Someone writes something negative on your magazine and you blackball them? Bullshit. I dont care how you idiots want to spin it. "MD told lies, blah blah blah." Doesnt matter what in the hell they print, they should be allowed into the O. The 2nd biggest magazine in the business and reaches hundreds of thousands of people on newsstands and theyre banning them. PDI, of course but MD is not a rival to the IFBB. Screw McGough and Flex. Douchebags.
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I don't see the big deal.
Are they no longer allowed to write about what they observe at the Olympia? And if so, who is enforcing that? And what happens if they choose to do a report anyway? Is Hanukkah going to be cancelled?
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They can ask questions...We'l be letting the FANS ask a few questions throughout the press conference... ;D
MD brought this on themselves, and have no one to point the finger at, or complain for that matter...
Gee, Bob, and you wonder why people think you're a "Company Man"?
No matter what the situation, you can't go fast enough to defend Weider, AMI, and IFBB, can you? ::)
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MD is banned from the O? What about freedom of speech? They can say whatever they want. Screw AMI and Flex. What a bunch of pricks. I mean they have sunk to a new low. Someone writes something negative on your magazine and you blackball them? Bullshit. I dont care how you idiots want to spin it. "MD told lies, blah blah blah." Doesnt matter what in the hell they print, they should be allowed into the O. The 2nd biggest magazine in the business and reaches hundreds of thousands of people on newsstands and theyre banning them. PDI, of course but MD is not a rival to the IFBB. Screw McGough and Flex. Douchebags.
First off, their not banned from the O, they simply wont be getting press passes. Getting press passes for the Olympia is not a right, it's a privilege...If MD has the right via free speech, to bash on FLEX, Weider, McGough, Pecker, and Chang all year long...then AMI certainly has the right via free speech....to revoke their press passes.
We aren't talking about a single article, or comment...it's been a continuous barage year after year.
There are ramifications that come with the "being a rebel" gig...
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They can ask questions...We'l be letting the FANS ask a few questions throughout the press conference... ;D
Will you be ignoring any questions that anyone from MD asks?
They're some of the most well-versed people in the sport. They have a big reader base. I think the sport in general would benefit from as many publications as possible having access to interview the guys.
Would ESPN the Magazine be denied access to talk to coleman, because they ran a small article on the PDI?
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First off, their not banned from the O, they simply wont be getting press passes. Getting press passes for the Olympia is not a right, it's a privilege...If MD has the right via free speech, to bash on FLEX, Weider, McGough, Pecker, and Chang all year long...then AMI certainly has the right via free speech....to revoke their press passes.
We aren't talking about a single article, or comment...it's been a continuous barage year after year.
There are ramifications that come with the "being a rebel" gig...
I haven't read a single post yet where MD is cryin the blues.
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No one stated they were...
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Take a look at MD's team-
Dexter Jackson, Branch Warren, Victor Martinez, Lee priest, Gustavo Badell, david henry.
Flex is weak, they offer nothing to the reader, per bernal never makes the athletes wear gay ass cut-off jeans or boots or sunglasses. Flex suffers because it is not ran by bodybuilders,if you read one page you can tell .
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IF they banned all fat people from the O then he wouldnt be allowed in...
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First off, their not banned from the O, they simply wont be getting press passes. Getting press passes for the Olympia is not a right, it's a privilege...If MD has the right via free speech, to bash on FLEX, Weider, McGough, Pecker, and Chang all year long...then AMI certainly has the right via free speech....to revoke their press passes.
We aren't talking about a single article, or comment...it's been a continuous barage year after year.
There are ramifications that come with the "being a rebel" gig...
Okay nice they're not banned, so what? They can pay VIP passes however much that is to get. BS. I know what you're sayin. MD has bashed AMI a couple of times. But if Flex/AMI/IFBB whoever is so powerful and almighty what message does it send to revoke passes of a magazine that in theyre mind doesnt compete with them. Lee Priest has bashed them time and time again, do you not let him into the expo because of that. They should worry more about getting the production end of it right before they ban a couple of "rebels".
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No one stated they were...
I honestly don't think it is bothering them. I haven't heard from Romano all day. I know he's reading all this stuff. I don't see how revoking their press passes does anything other than give MD more opportunity to bash Flex.
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First off, their not banned from the O, they simply wont be getting press passes. Getting press passes for the Olympia is not a right, it's a privilege..
It's a privilege granted for those working as journalists.
Press passes are not some kind of VIP passes. Their function is to help the journalists do a better job of covering the event in question.
It's a privilege, and this privilege shouldn't be fcuked with.
YIP
Zack
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It's a privilege granted for those working as journalists.
Press passes are not some kind of VIP passes. Their function is to help the journalists do a better job of covering the event in question.
It's a privilege, and this privilege shouldn't be fcuked with.
YIP
Zack
You're right...and they fucked themselves out of that privilege throughout the year with malicious bashing and personal attacks of the very people that give the press passes.
Not the brightest move...you reap what you sow.
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It's a privilege granted for those working as journalists.
Press passes are not some kind of VIP passes. Their function is to help the journalists do a better job of covering the event in question.
It's a privilege, and this privilege shouldn't be fcuked with.
YIP
Zack
With all due respect, I think you have it backwards. The privilege is getting your event covered in the press for free. The press pass merely facilitates the journalists doing their job. Locking MD out of the press pit lessens Olympia coverage.
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You mean they'll lesson the bashing, mocking, and malicious "reporting"...that seems to be the reason they're getting revoked in the first place?
I'm sure AMI is saying, "Don't do us any favors..."
Writing an opinion on the show is one thing...taking personal shots at McGough,etc. is clearly over the line
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With all due respect, I think you have it backwards. The privilege is getting your event covered in the press for free. The press pass merely facilitates the journalists doing their job. Locking MD out of the press pit lessens Olympia coverage.
Either you read me wrong, or I was being unclear.
Probably the latter. I agree with your assessment.
My point is, that whatever beef FLEX and MD has going, it's a journalistic disaster that AMI chooses to pull the press passes for MD as part of that feud.
I just don't believe in preventing journalists from doing their job.
Which this is. Will MD still be able to cover the Olympia somehow?
Should they?
I don't think so.
YIP
Zack
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The 2nd biggest magazine in the business and reaches hundreds of thousands of people on newsstands and theyre banning them. PDI, of course but MD is not a rival to the IFBB.
You may want to double check those figures...MMI would disagree for sure, as well as Ironman
C
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First off, their not banned from the O, they simply wont be getting press passes. Getting press passes for the Olympia is not a right, it's a privilege...If MD has the right via free speech, to bash on FLEX, Weider, McGough, Pecker, and Chang all year long...then AMI certainly has the right via free speech....to revoke their press passes.
We aren't talking about a single article, or comment...it's been a continuous barage year after year.
There are ramifications that come with the "being a rebel" gig...
So basically the only press passes issued will be to yes men and those that toe the ifbb line. it's more and more of a joke every single year. I'd love to see what would happen if the white house banned all journalists that attack the president every day all year long. reeks of communism, or whatever other ism you want to call it. Is the ifbb/ami that afraid of the bashing/truth, are they that immature that they will ban a magazine that doesnt like them? Id the Olympia going to be THAT BAD that they want to be able to control what people hear about it? Bob, ami, ifbb are all getting to self important, come back to earth already. "company man" doesn't fit you enough, ami rep
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You mean they'll lesson the bashing, mocking, and malicious "reporting"...that seems to be the reason they're getting revoked in the first place?
I'm sure AMI is saying, "Don't do us any favors..."
Writing an opinion on the show is one thing...taking personal shots at McGough,etc. is clearly over the line
You make it sound like Flex and McGough have never laid a hand on MD. They have thrown their share of mocking, bashing and malicious "reporting" and personal attacks. They should have thicker skin. They should also put on a better show. They lead with their chin.
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You're right...and they fucked themselves out of that privilege throughout the year with malicious bashing and personal attacks of the very people that give the press passes.
Not the brightest move...you reap what you sow.
I mistakenly thought we lived in a free society where the right to criticize without punishment and censurship is a basic right . Of course I didn't realize that Flex was exempt from the constitution. I wonder when someone will have the balls to sue over some the crap that they think it's ok to get away with. OH! I forgot this is bodybuilding where almost everyone is owned
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You may want to double check those figures...MMI would disagree for sure, as well as Ironman
C
No, Maybe you should. I didnt say that hundreds of thousands of people buy it, I said it reaches that many people. Any fan of fitness, bb, weightlifting, or nutrition in general might breeze by and pick up and read MD. God knows I do. Im not paying 7.99 or whatever it is for that mag every month. Flex isnt even worth it every month. Motor Trend, hell yeah (10 bucks to subscribe anyway).
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Either you read me wrong, or I was being unclear.
Probably the latter. I agree with your assessment.
My point is, that whatever beef FLEX and MD has going, it's a journalistic disaster that AMI chooses to pull the press passes for MD as part of that feud.
I just don't believe in preventing journalists from doing their job.
Which this is. Will MD still be able to cover the Olympia somehow?
Should they?
I don't think so.
YIP
Zack
Okay, I got it. I agree. Why should they cover the show? They should because it is what is best for the athletes. AMI is making another shrewed business move here.
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So basically the only press passes issued will be to yes men and those that toe the ifbb line. it's more and more of a joke every single year. I'd love to see what would happen if the white house banned all journalists that attack the president every day all year long. reeks of communism, or whatever other ism you want to call it. Is the ifbb/ami that afraid of the bashing/truth, are they that immature that they will ban a magazine that doesnt like them? Id the Olympia going to be THAT BAD that they want to be able to control what people hear about it? Bob, ami, ifbb are all getting to self important, come back to earth already. "company man" doesn't fit you enough, ami rep
Big Ron of GetBig knows what that means when AMI or Manion threatened to revoke press passes. WHy do you think so much IFBB stuff is on here and why so much IFBB, Manion or Weider bashing doesn't always stay. Ron got that threat from them. Also, god Chic why do you lower yourself so much. Are you seriously that desperate to stay in the IFBB and win another show. Doesn't it get old having to defend the IFBB. They are a bunch of assholes along with AMI who just can't stand anything being said bad about them. No matter how true it is. And obviously anything MD said about FLEX and whoever must be true or a slander suit would be pursued. Hard to sue someone over stuff that is fact. Man grow some balls. Be a man.
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All this is is another way the IFBB and AMI want to control the BB industry. I am pretty sure MD has said thingsin the past but nothing happened. Now MD supports the PDI and now they get no passes. And who care. Who was the bright light of the bunch who said "hey lets revoke the press passes of one of the most popular BB publications in the world". Yea goes to show you right there the kinds of brains this group has. Chic you fit right n
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Chick-
As a fellow bodybuilder, you cant honestly be siding with Flex on this one. Flex is junk! So MD bashed flex, were all bodybuilders here and we all know flex is a laughing stock. Big f-ing deal about the comments, grow up. To real bbuilders flex is a joke. MD has never lied, there being punished for exposing the truth. Your a PRO bodybuilder bob, and when your on the crapper and you have a choice between flex and MD, you know damn well what you'll choose to read. Your image is coming off as a serious ass kisser and not an athletes rep. Many of the best bbuilders in the world are part of MD. Thats unfair to them. Thats like saying were not gonna allow the bodybuilding.com booth at the O because you bashed GNC. Its bullshit!
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And what about sponsors who advertise in MD and sponsor the Olympia. Now no pictures in MD with sponsors logos and booths from the show. It nice how AMI just took away additional exposure from the sponsors. Nice move idiots. God what a bunch of pussies.
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So basically the only press passes issued will be to yes men and those that toe the ifbb line. it's more and more of a joke every single year. I'd love to see what would happen if the white house banned all journalists that attack the president every day all year long. reeks of communism, or whatever other ism you want to call it. Is the ifbb/ami that afraid of the bashing/truth, are they that immature that they will ban a magazine that doesnt like them? Id the Olympia going to be THAT BAD that they want to be able to control what people hear about it? Bob, ami, ifbb are all getting to self important, come back to earth already. "company man" doesn't fit you enough, ami rep
FLEX has no problem with criticism-there was plenty printed in MD about the Olympia last year-and no problem-the issue here is the personal attacks, that MD was warned about, and they persisted. This is something that happened far above me, but if they were told it would happen and continued...then how can they be surprised that it happened...case closed.
Other mags have said negative things about the Olympia and they are welcome to come to the show and if there are problems, then I'm sure they will do it again. This is an entirely different issue, not whether or not FLEX thinks that BB should be covered in a different way.
So many people chiming in that don't know the whole story.
C
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Chick-
As a fellow bodybuilder, you cant honestly be siding with Flex on this one. Flex is junk! So MD bashed flex, were all bodybuilders here and we all know flex is a laughing stock. Big f-ing deal about the comments, grow up. To real bbuilders flex is a joke. MD has never lied, there being punished for exposing the truth. Your a PRO bodybuilder bob, and when your on the crapper and you have a choice between flex and MD, you know damn well what you'll choose to read. Your image is coming off as a serious ass kisser and not an athletes rep. Many of the best bbuilders in the world are part of MD. Thats unfair to them. Thats like saying were not gonna allow the bodybuilding.com booth at the O because you bashed GNC. Its bullshit!
AMEN!!!
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This has nothing to do with the IFBB, Keith...you have such a hard-on for manion / IFBB that anything that happens, you believe to be some sort of giant conspiracy...
The IFBB doesn't run the Olympia...AMI and Robin Chang do.
No one else has gotten their press passes revoked...Ironman, MMI, Planet Muscle, etc...and they all have commented on how the Olympia was run last year.
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I'm still cracking up at the tabloid publisher with thin skin.
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FLEX has no problem with criticism-there was plenty printed in MD about the Olympia last year-and no problem-the issue here is the personal attacks, that MD was warned about, and they persisted. This is something that happened far above me, but if they were told it would happen and continued...then how can they be surprised that it happened...case closed.
Other mags have said negative things about the Olympia and they are welcome to come to the show and if there are problems, then I'm sure they will do it again. This is an entirely different issue, not whether or not FLEX thinks that BB should be covered in a different way.
So many people chiming in that don't know the whole story.
C
I think I understand.
It's just that I believe that stuff like press passes and shit are holy and not to be messed with.
No free dinners or shit like that, no freebies, but the usual press passes should be available for all press in some form.
They may not be able to get the number of journalists into the event they want, but limiting or banishing altogether as a means of warfare, I just don't like that.
There are other ways.
And no, I don't think it's about penalizing MD for supporting PDI. I just think it's a personal beef.
YIP
Zack
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Chick, I know you're the athlete's rep and only have the athletes best interests in mind.
Do you feel that only allowing one magazine to interview and photograph them backstage wil limit some guys' earning potential?
I only ask because FLEX doesn't interview guys who are endorsed by MD, right? There are going to be ten men backstage who will receive near zero coverage. With supplement companies vying for the guys who get the most exposure, being an MD athlete can hurt a lot of athletes pocketbooks this year.
If they request it, will you be filing a petition on behalf of the 10+ MD guys at the O to have this ruling reversed so that IFBB athletes can earn the most money possible?
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Peter's own comments from his PBBW show: "I've often been asked why I don't reply to MD, there's a few reasons: First I don't think the readers are interested. They don't pay money to see magazine editors blasting each other. Secondly, their level of criticism is so in the gutter & personal that I wouldn't reply and give it credibility. For Flex to respond would be like Ronnie Coleman taking time to fire back at criticism from Mr. North Iowa....and fourth, it annoys the hell out of them to not respond. There's no feud"
So what happened to that way of thinking? What happened to the so called high road?
So because David Pecker has his feelings hurt Flex decides to climb off its mountain and revoke Mr North Iowa's press pass.
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I think I understand.
It's just that I believe that stuff like press passes and shit are holy and not to be messed with.
No free dinners or shit like that, no freebies, but the usual press passes should be available for all press in some form.
They may not be able to get the number of journalists into the event they want, but limiting or banishing altogether as a means of warfare, I just don't like that.
There are other ways.
And no, I don't think it's about penalizing MD for supporting PDI. I just think it's a personal beef.
YIP
Zack
You're right! It is personal. A bunch of name callin - FROM BOTH SIDES - and now the boys at AMI are so concerned about what MD is going to say they try to lock them out of the show. Stupid. Like it is going to stop MD from being critical of Flex or its employees? Pussies.
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Peter's own comments from his PBBW show: "I've often been asked why I don't reply to MD, there's a few reasons: First I don't think the readers are interested. They don't pay money to see magazine editors blasting each other. Secondly, their level of criticism is so in the gutter & personal that I wouldn't reply and give it credibility. For Flex to respond would be like Ronnie Coleman taking time to fire back at criticism from Mr. North Iowa....and fourth, it annoys the hell out of them to not respond. There's no feud"
So what happened to that way of thinking? What happened to the so called high road?
So because David Pecker has his feelings hurt Flex decides to climb off its mountain and revoke Mr North Iowa's press pass.
Exactly what the hell Im saying.
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Chick, I know you're the athlete's rep and only have the athletes best interests in mind.
Do you feel that only allowing one magazine to interview and photograph them backstage wil limit some guys' earning potential?
I only ask because FLEX doesn't interview guys who are endorsed by MD, right? There are going to be ten men backstage who will receive near zero coverage. With supplement companies vying for the guys who get the most exposure, being an MD athlete can hurt a lot of athletes pocketbooks this year.
If they request it, will you be filing a petition on behalf of the 10+ MD guys at the O to have this ruling reversed so that IFBB athletes can earn the most money possible?
There will be many magazines there, interviewing competitors, etc.
Comments backstage, on the show, placings, etc....do not fall under the "exclusivity" clause to contracted athletes.
MD can cover all they want, take all the pictures they want...they just have lost the best seats.
BTW...I'm sure it was a decision made by AMI/ Pecker.
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You mean they'll lesson the bashing, mocking, and malicious "reporting"...that seems to be the reason they're getting revoked in the first place?
I'm sure AMI is saying, "Don't do us any favors..."
Writing an opinion on the show is one thing...taking personal shots at McGough,etc. is clearly over the line
you have blatantly shown where your true intentions lie, and they are not with the athlete, ole athlete's rep. this is one less chance for the athletes to be represented in a worldwide publication and as athlete's rep you should be furious. you gave up quite a bit to get your win at the masters it appears. step down let someone else be the athlete's rep, they don't need someone so dedicated to the company and ami any longer.
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you have blatantly shown where your true intentions lie, and they are not with the athlete, ole athlete's rep. this is one less chance for the athletes to be represented in a worldwide publication and as athlete's rep you should be furious. you gave up quite a bit to get your win at the masters it appears. step down let someone else be the athlete's rep, they don't need someone so dedicated to the company and ami any longer.
You mean, they are banned from taking pictures? Or writing articles?
You've blatenly shown you know nothing about this subject, please... don't post anymore on the matter.
Thanks
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There will be many magazines there, interviewing competitors, etc.
Which ones?
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you have blatantly shown where your true intentions lie, and they are not with the athlete, ole athlete's rep. this is one less chance for the athletes to be represented in a worldwide publication and as athlete's rep you should be furious. you gave up quite a bit to get your win at the masters it appears. step down let someone else be the athlete's rep, they don't need someone so dedicated to the company and ami any longer.
Come on, bro, Chick is just doing his job. Sort of. It would be nice if he didn't just take what AMI/Weider/McGough say as gospel and bother to check his facts. He would see that McGough started the whole thing long, long ago. I remember his bashing Romano for having his leg in a cast. Just one of many shots McGough took at MD and/or their people. If McGough has such thin skin he shouldn't have started in with them.
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Chick, I know you're the athlete's rep and only have the athletes best interests in mind.
Do you feel that only allowing one magazine to interview and photograph them backstage wil limit some guys' earning potential?
I only ask because FLEX doesn't interview guys who are endorsed by MD, right? There are going to be ten men backstage who will receive near zero coverage. With supplement companies vying for the guys who get the most exposure, being an MD athlete can hurt a lot of athletes pocketbooks this year.
If they request it, will you be filing a petition on behalf of the 10+ MD guys at the O to have this ruling reversed so that IFBB athletes can earn the most money possible?
Actually-only 2 MD athletes are off limits to the other mags...Lee Priest and Dexter Jackson. The others are interviewed by FLEX on a pretty regular basis, and many have been on our covers this past year.
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Which ones?
Ironman, MuscleMag Int, Planet muscle, all the foriegn mags, Bodybuilding.com, Muscletime.com, etc
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Actually-only 2 MD athletes are off limits to the other mags...Lee Priest and Dexter Jackson. The others are interviewed by FLEX on a pretty regular basis, and many have been on our covers this past year.
ah gotcha. in that case, since they're two of the top guys in the sport, I think MD should have access to them.
I completely understand the position of AMI - they can give out tickets and seats to anyone that they want. but they have to be careful not to be penny-wise, pound foolish. There could be some really bad longterm effects of this.
Aside from the fact the athletes will receive less exposure, it might lead to more restrictive MD contracts. Suppose MD starts paying more but saying guys cannot do the O. All of a sudden, the O becomes the FLEX show of the year and the Arnold becomes the MD show of the year. See how this could get ugly really fast? Fans who can only make one trip are gonna resent someone for this.
My solution (and everyone has one, I know) would be to make them buy their own seats, allow them access to backstage areas, and above all, call off the public dogs. It's amateur hour taking shots at each other in public like this. If I was a shareholder in any way of American media I'd be on the phone telling Pecker to tell his people to stop acting like middle schoolers having a myspace spat.
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ah gotcha. in that case, since they're two of the top guys in the sport, I think MD should have access to them.
They do have access to them, they're under contract to MD
Please try to keep up ;D
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ah gotcha. in that case, since they're two of the top guys in the sport, I think MD should have access to them.
I completely understand the position of AMI - they can give out tickets and seats to anyone that they want. but they have to be careful not to be penny-wise, pound foolish. There could be some really bad longterm effects of this.
Aside from the fact the athletes will receive less exposure, it might lead to more restrictive MD contracts. Suppose MD starts paying more but saying guys cannot do the O. All of a sudden, the O becomes the FLEX show of the year and the Arnold becomes the MD show of the year. See how this could get ugly really fast? Fans who can only make one trip are gonna resent someone for this.
My solution (and everyone has one, I know) would be to make them buy their own seats, allow them access to backstage areas, and above all, call off the public dogs. It's amateur hour taking shots at each other in public like this. If I was a shareholder in any way of American media I'd be on the phone telling Pecker to tell his people to stop acting like middle schoolers having a myspace spat.
Agreed.....seems like one big pissing match...time to act like business men
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So if MD cares so much about Bodybuilding why don't they promote their own contest and really show some support?
Basically Romano and his big mouth screwed up.
Touting second hand information and convicting others with only one side of the story (with second hand information) is best left up to Nancy Grace.
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It's amateur hour taking shots at each other in public like this.
No kidding! Just goes to show how everything bodybuilding touches is amateurish and second-rate.
If I was a shareholder in any way of American media I'd be on the phone telling Pecker to tell his people to stop acting like middle schoolers having a myspace spat.
If I was a major shareholder, I'd want somebody's head on a platter... could you see General Electric or Exxon acting like this?
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Look, McGough and Chang run the Olympia? No wonder why it's so poor?!
Have any of you ever seen Chang? he is a little china man that without a doubt has never lifted a weight in his life. What the hell does he know or care what the athletes bodybuilders need? It's just a "business" to these people. And McGough? Well, he looks like a fat alcoholic. he too has never lifted a weight in his life. Another so-called business man that knows nothing.
The Olympia sucks now. Probably from the poor organizing. Yeah, just like the challenge round......what a "success" that was?
FUCK him, FLEX mag and Chang. Wankers....!
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You mean, they are banned from taking pictures? Or writing articles?
You've blatenly shown you know nothing about this subject, please... don't post anymore on the matter.
Thanks
Wow chic, i reread my post looking for the part where i said anything about them being banned but could'nt find it. maybe you should read before firing off a comment. and do i read censorship in your post on the horizon? did I write something too close to the truth?
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No kidding! Just goes to show how everything bodybuilding touches is amateurish and second-rate.
If I was a major shareholder, I'd want somebody's head on a platter... could you see General Electric or Exxon acting like this?
Restricting the competition from gaining access to top pictures, interviews and all the back stage circus is supposed to have a negative effect on shareholders of AMI ??? ???
Seems to me to be the opposite, AMI mags now have another reasons to be purchased over MD.
Good thing your not managing my portfolio.
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They can ask questions...We'l be letting the FANS ask a few questions throughout the press conference... ;D
MD brought this on themselves, and have no one to point the finger at, or complain for that matter...
Oh Chic please.Could you imagine USA today putting on a show and the LA TIMES saying some negative things about USA today.Then USA today stopping the LA Times from coming in to report on it.MMMM LAW SUIT.Nothing like soilders dying overseas for our FREEDOM here. So is Steve Weinberger not allowed to judge as in the MD he stated AMI should get out of the Olympia? just asking.
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Oh Chic please.Could you imagine USA today putting on a show and the LA TIMES saying some negative things about USA today.Then USA today stopping the LA Times from coming in to report on it.MMMM LAW SUIT.Nothing like soilders dying overseas for our FREEDOM here.
Nobody is stopping MD from attending, writing, taking pictures, interviewing or anything.
They are not getting press passes so their job will become more difficult or they will have to rely on freelance writers and photographers. Nice way to help the little guys who support the sport with a few bucks.
Lift should give Blechman a call. He might actually make some good coin and MD would still have some quality pictures to print.
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They can ask questions...We'l be letting the FANS ask a few questions throughout the press conference... ;D
MD brought this on themselves, and have no one to point the finger at, or complain for that matter...
Chick,
I thought that you were the BB Athlete's rep, not the AMI/Flex Rep?
What is funny is that MD employs (pays monthly) more Pro BB than either Flex or MnF, so in a way, you should be promoting MD and asking Steve Blechman or John Romona about the issue and not trolling on the internet. This sure makes you appear to be a friggen ass kisser to AMI/Flex. You also miss the bigger picture that the more magazines that cover the O, the better it is for the athletes and opportunities for more people to see them and potentially give them some sort of business.
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So if MD cares so much about Bodybuilding why don't they promote their own contest and really show some support?
Maybe they will ;)
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First off, their not banned from the O, they simply wont be getting press passes. Getting press passes for the Olympia is not a right, it's a privilege...If MD has the right via free speech, to bash on FLEX, Weider, McGough, Pecker, and Chang all year long...then AMI certainly has the right via free speech....to revoke their press passes.
We aren't talking about a single article, or comment...it's been a continuous barage year after year.
There are ramifications that come with the "being a rebel" gig...
I agree with you. Too many years blindely criticizing the I.F.B.B and Weider with you no content. Too much hatred. Romano, in particular, has got to be the greatest asshole in bodybuilding...well, after Shawn Ray. He even takes the cake over Bill Phillips, who spent the entire 1990s saying how pro bodybuilding was all about drugs and bad-mouthing the Olympia in particular. Fuck MD and MuscleMag: two worst bodybuilding mags. FLEX and Ironmen are much better.
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As the athletes rep Chick should be screamimg for the most exposure for the group he represents and that includes access to all areas of the competition. Of course he'll rationalize his response. His duty is to the athletes not to any paticular publication or be politically influenced by who is going to give HIM the greatest exposure
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I write for MMI and have done work for MD as well, and to me this seems like AMI are starting to feel the pinch at the magazine retail end of the spectrem, I dont now about sale figures in the US but down under MD and MMI are the biggest selling mags in there class, which was once the domain of Flex and M&F is now that of MD and MMI, if this said despute has been going on for some time one has to ask why wasnt it acted upon earlier, I wrote a piece on the behinds the scenes look at the O (last year)and also a piece on the state of womens bodybuilding from the O and both MD and MMI didnt use it as they thought it was just a little to scathing of the situations as a whole , so this move on AMI,s behalf has to be personal at some level , and in business personal means money !!
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I was contacted to work on the TV/DVD production and webcast, since I did that type of work for almost 8 years with the ESPN American Muscle show and the event coverage we did many times for the Olympias, Arnold, USA, etc. My old boss wanted to bring me out of retirement to help out with directing an ENG camera crew. I probably would have been helping out with backstage interviews and the stuff that went on live on the Jumbotron to the audience.
We (my old boss and I) agreed on a rate and other terms, but suddenly he was told from someone at Weider/AMI that I was not welcome on his crew as I was a writer for MD. Never mind the fact that I also write for Musclemag, Ironman, and REPS. And I have never said a single bad thing about Peter McGough or Robin Chang. In fact, Robin and I worked together for four or five years in the same office for that same boss and I still consider him a friend.
Pretty silly, isn't it?
No loss - I don't really miss TV production - LONG, LONG hours and impossible to get your meals in every 2-3 hours. The lifestyle of a freelance writer is much better for me.
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I was contacted to work on the TV/DVD production and webcast, since I did that type of work for almost 8 years with the ESPN American Muscle show and the event coverage we did many times for the Olympias, Arnold, USA, etc. My old boss wanted to bring me out of retirement to help out with directing an ENG camera crew. I probably would have been helping out with backstage interviews and the stuff that went on live on the Jumbotron to the audience.
We (my old boss and I) agreed on a rate and other terms, but suddenly he was told from someone at Weider/AMI that I was not welcome on his crew as I was a writer for MD. Never mind the fact that I also write for Musclemag, Ironman, and REPS. And I have never said a single bad thing about Peter McGough or Robin Chang. In fact, Robin and I worked together for four or five years in the same office for that same boss and I still consider him a friend.
Pretty silly, isn't it?
No loss - I don't really miss TV production - LONG, LONG hours and impossible to get your meals in every 2-3 hours. The lifestyle of a freelance writer is much better for me.
Ahhhh.. Another reason not to buy ANY AMI magazines...
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....to assert that
"He (pecker) defended me against Blechman’s rantings to the point that he felt compelled to leave the room."
According to Kevin Hyson - Pecker being upset over Blechman's requests to buy FLEX was what eventually caused him to leave. Not insulting good ol big mac, though big mac would like people to think so. This would lead people to beleive that pecker actually cares about "his good friend" Peter (whose precious magazaine is incidentally being sold off) and bodybuilding in general..
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peter is an ass who has never touched a weight. At least romano and blechman work out.
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peter is a fat ass who has never touched a weight. Atleast romano and blechman work out.
pete needs to get a bit healthier otherwise diabetes is right around the corner...
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As the athletes rep Chick should be screamimg for the most exposure for the group he represents and that includes access to all areas of the competition. Of course he'll rationalize his response. His duty is to the athletes not to any paticular publication or be politically influenced by who is going to give HIM the greatest exposure
i agree. chick should be doing his best to promote bodybuilding positively, not taking sides in a retarded magazine fight. if anything, he should be helping to fix the situation for the sake of the athletes who's interests rest with both magazines. seriously, grow the fuck up. its called "athlete's rep", not "magazine's rep".
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Pete: You've got the perfect physique for radio, Bob
Bob Chick: Hey, how about that?!
Classic
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how Blechman can accost Peter for how he looks is astounding considering how Steve himself walked around not too long ago . . .
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....to assert that
"He (pecker) defended me against Blechman’s rantings to the point that he felt compelled to leave the room."
According to Kevin Hyson - Pecker being upset over Blechman's requests to buy FLEX was what eventually caused him to leave. Not insulting good ol big mac, though big mac would like people to think so. This would lead people to beleive that pecker actually cares about "his good friend" Peter (whose precious magazaine is incidentally being sold off) and bodybuilding in general..
Exactly! What a piece of shit this guy Pecker is. A tabloid publisher with thin skin. What a joke. Pecker is using McGough to sell the magazines and that's it. McGough is going to be walking the streets after Flex and M&F get sold. Pecker is lying to him and McGough is buying it hook, line and sinker. Oh, yeah, Good old Pecker became so incensed at the comments bleckman was making about fat Mac that he just had to throw his napkin in his plate and storm out. Phony Drama.
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MD is considered the second biggest magazine for pro bodybuilding today, despite whether or not the numbers are auditing. Page by page, they give more exposure than all other magazines, with the exception of Flex. But this is an arguement with AMI, who is the promoter of the Olympia, and MD. It is not with the IFBB and MD. And the promoters can choose who they give press passes too, although I wonder if the IFBB can interject in this type of disagreement.
However, the problem does not occur with the attack on the Olympia or by even commenting on a bodybuilder's physique. The problem lies with the constant and malicious attacks on the people who are running it. There is a difference between calling someone's articles and picture taking not good, and calling someone a fat ass. Come on already, even I get irritated with people who do that, aka malicious bashing, even on the boards, and you get warned. Romano went too far here with the malicious stuff...
For all who said that Peter McGough never worked out, there are a few pictures of him when he was younger in great shape, and pounding the muscle. So let it be. And you don't have to be a great writer or good photographer in bodybuilding to actually be a bodybuilder (we have been through that arguement).
But perhaps the last straw was the MD September 2006 editorial that John Romano wrote. Comments like "Pecker's ego is so overly inflated that he can only get his head through French doors, and thats if he turns sideways", "flat voice that wheezed like the voice of a man who had just won a hot dog eating contest", and more like that probably got their attention. Why give press passes to people who attack the people who run the show will such malicious bashing?
So AMI denies MD the press passes. Will it affect them? It depens on where and how MD chooses to react. There are two ways to do this.
1) The best way is for Peter McGough and Steve Blechman to finally talk out some issues, and work in ways to better the industry. An idea was presented a while back where Flex, MD, MuscleMag, Ironman, etc and various internet sites, Getbig, Musclemayhem, Muscletime, etc can work together, meet and find a way to get the bodybuilding industry in a good direction. It won't stifle free speech, criticism but the malicious bashing would be less there. Even on the boards, which we are trying to do, without hampering free speech.
2) The second way is to not work with MD, and they really start going off, no holds barred. Forget the press passes, we don't need them. We will pay for great seats for the main events, take our pictures needed, get the rest from others, and give AMI a hard time at the Olympia, for they can't stop us from being there, and talking to everyone. There are so many people taking pictures at the events that we get offered pictures from 30 different people (it is the same way with websites).
So lets see if this can be worked out - for the good of the sport. Just my opinion.
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Whatever else you say about MD, I think it's the most interesting BB mag to read these days. It also runs the best pix bar none. The Weider mags (which is what they still are, regardless of the holding company that owns them) generally ruin their pix with poor croppings, bad captions (often printed over the bodies) & inept editing. The MD people are not outside the whale if they're banned from the Olympia event. Outside the guppy is more like it. The only thing I care about is Branch's placing. Everything else will be the same old same old.
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Who gives a shit?! Peter McGough is a genius, and Joh Romano is an addict who's callous, a liar and a borderline sociopath. His piece of shit mag was good in the 1990s, but now it's just a bunch of opinionated assholes babbling non-stop about what's wrong with pro bodybuilding. Not even Phillips defunct MuscleMedia ever sunk to the lows MD has. Enough!
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Peter McGough is a genius
Apparently I dont undertand what "genius" means.. ::)
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I was contacted to work on the TV/DVD production and webcast, since I did that type of work for almost 8 years with the ESPN American Muscle show and the event coverage we did many times for the Olympias, Arnold, USA, etc. My old boss wanted to bring me out of retirement to help out with directing an ENG camera crew. I probably would have been helping out with backstage interviews and the stuff that went on live on the Jumbotron to the audience.
We (my old boss and I) agreed on a rate and other terms, but suddenly he was told from someone at Weider/AMI that I was not welcome on his crew as I was a writer for MD. Never mind the fact that I also write for Musclemag, Ironman, and REPS. And I have never said a single bad thing about Peter McGough or Robin Chang. In fact, Robin and I worked together for four or five years in the same office for that same boss and I still consider him a friend.
Pretty silly, isn't it?
Ron Harris,
Indeed that is silly. I hope that everyone scanning this thread will not overlook your post. You bring a delicious ivory mountain of knowledge to the sport.
Seriously though- The athletes, and the longterm growth of the sport are the ones missing out by denying you the ability to interview. You are nothing but a quiet professional and you never engage in the namecalling. Plus, you do work for a variety of publications.
To the freemasons running the big show... I'd take a look at this decision again.
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Bodybuilding would be nothing without contraversy. To a lesser degree this is true with wrestling. Consider the idea of wrestling without characters or any true physical sport.. essentially its nothing. Thats what a bodybuilding show is to most .. nothing.
Only those who can discern physique details will be interested in shows and even then I think most of us would agree that some guys on a huge stage with no real "scale" to show just how large they are is not cutting the mustard.
The average person who watches it will bore in minutes. Not a lot you can do about that. I don't see a whole lot of intelligent attempts by talented people to make it interesting for Joe Bloggs. Someone with creativity would isolate that which is interesting.. contraversy, pre contest footage, putting these guys next to real people (instead of diminishing that which makes them exceptional), great lifts etc and package it well.
In summary, stop pretending like the soap opera and the peanut gallery is a bad thing and start realising that without this type of thing nobody would give a toss.
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I was contacted to work on the TV/DVD production and webcast, since I did that type of work for almost 8 years with the ESPN American Muscle show and the event coverage we did many times for the Olympias, Arnold, USA, etc. My old boss wanted to bring me out of retirement to help out with directing an ENG camera crew. I probably would have been helping out with backstage interviews and the stuff that went on live on the Jumbotron to the audience.
We (my old boss and I) agreed on a rate and other terms, but suddenly he was told from someone at Weider/AMI that I was not welcome on his crew as I was a writer for MD. Never mind the fact that I also write for Musclemag, Ironman, and REPS. And I have never said a single bad thing about Peter McGough or Robin Chang. In fact, Robin and I worked together for four or five years in the same office for that same boss and I still consider him a friend.
Pretty silly, isn't it?
No loss - I don't really miss TV production - LONG, LONG hours and impossible to get your meals in every 2-3 hours. The lifestyle of a freelance writer is much better for me.
that is ridiculous and if anyone thinks Ami hasn't got ties to the and flex iffbb they are kidding themselves, they are being really childish excluding MD from the media is just so they can have a monopoly on the bodybuilding media
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Bodybuilding would be nothing without contraversy. To a lesser degree this is true with wrestling. Consider the idea of wrestling without characters or any true physical sport.. essentially its nothing. Thats what a bodybuilding show is to most .. nothing.
Only those who can discern physique details will be interested in shows and even then I think most of us would agree that some guys on a huge stage with no real "scale" to show just how large they are is not cutting the mustard.
The average person who watches it will bore in minutes. Not a lot you can do about that. I don't see a whole lot of intelligent attempts by talented people to make it interesting for Joe Bloggs. Someone with creativity would isolate that which is interesting.. contraversy, pre contest footage, putting these guys next to real people (instead of diminishing that which makes them exceptional), great lifts etc and package it well.
In summary, stop pretending like the soap opera and the peanut gallery is a bad thing and start realising that without this type of thing nobody would give a toss.
This is so true pro bbing has a lot of drama associated with it.
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This has nothing to do with the IFBB, Keith...you have such a hard-on for manion / IFBB that anything that happens, you believe to be some sort of giant conspiracy...
The IFBB doesn't run the Olympia...AMI and Robin Chang do.
No one else has gotten their press passes revoked...Ironman, MMI, Planet Muscle, etc...and they all have commented on how the Olympia was run last year.
Exactly !! Bob is right when he says too many get-biggers keep spouting "conspiracy theory" bullshit over & over.
When it really doesn't exist. They are not banned from the Olympia.. They just don't get treated like royalty for playing their childish renegade act. You know what act that is.. The one where all there magazine articles talk about their athletes getting "Screwed" by the judges.. Romanos piece about his private meetings with David Pecker was beyond adolescent. Ask yourself... What was he trying to do by divulging such a one way slant about a private meeting ? He was trying to turn people "off" on FLEX magazine.. It was a pathetic attempt to play the David vs Goliath role to win over sentiment & subscriptions.
It is funny watching so many get-biggers get sucked right into it. So many get-biggers falling in step with the David vs Goliath role, and acting like junior renegades & outcasts.. Oh ! Wait a minute !! I have to read Valentino talking about puke & shit & FARTS for the 10th time !!
"FREEDOM of SPEECH" is a constitutional right that we enjoy in the courts. HOWEVER, it DOES not justify a private business bashing another business, and then expecting free priveleged passes. I can't wait to read Romano's crying in the next issue of MD about this. In fact, I'm sure Romano will end up spinning 3 pages of repetitive whining over this latest development.
Would you invite some DUDE to your wedding that spreads rumors your wife is a slut ? Of course not.
Long live CHICK & the IFBB !!
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Bottom line it comes down to "it's not what you say, it's how you say it". I like Romano, he's always been cool to me and tells it how he sees it without sugar coating it. Now that said, I think John went too far as a journalist by personally bashing Pecker. He could have easily stuck to the facts without his color commentary inserted in the article. It was irresponsible on his part and unneccessary. Do I think revoking press passes does anything? Yes and no. It sends a message to MD that they need to be more responsible in their writing. Everyone agrees last year's Olympia was far from perfect but personal attacks do nothing to further bodybuilding. I spoke with Flex Wheeler this weekend about this and he said MD will still be attending and still cover the show. They just won't have press passes.
MD "shit in their own bed" so to speak on this one. They knew it was coming but like one of their athletes, Lee Priest, they enjoying going against the grain on things. Had they stuck to writing about the facts and minus the personal attacks they'd still be sitting in the press section. It will be interesting to see what John writes after the Olympia and for the good of the industry, I hope the personal attacks stop. The last thing we need are the magazines becoming like the message boards where legitimate discussions turn into mud slinging.
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Thanks, 240.
Last year MD only got 2 press passes and bought VIP tix for everybody else. So this isn't so different, really.
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Bottom line it comes down to "it's not what you say, it's how you say it". I like Romano, he's always been cool to me and tells it how he sees it without sugar coating it. Now that said, I think John went too far as a journalist by personally bashing Pecker. He could have easily stuck to the facts without his color commentary inserted in the article. It was irresponsible on his part and unneccessary. Do I think revoking press passes does anything? Yes and no. It sends a message to MD that they need to be more responsible in their writing. Everyone agrees last year's Olympia was far from perfect but personal attacks do nothing to further bodybuilding. I spoke with Flex Wheeler this weekend about this and he said MD will still be attending and still cover the show. They just won't have press passes.
MD "shit in their own bed" so to speak on this one. They knew it was coming but like one of their athletes, Lee Priest, they enjoying going against the grain on things. Had they stuck to writing about the facts and minus the personal attacks they'd still be sitting in the press section. It will be interesting to see what John writes after the Olympia and for the good of the industry, I hope the personal attacks stop. The last thing we need are the magazines becoming like the message boards where legitimate discussions turn into mud slinging.
are you suggesting that Romano doesn't respect "Pecker" because he's a middle aged skinny pencilneck who's never touched a weight in his life, Lift Studios?
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are you suggesting that Romano doesn't respect "Pecker" because he's a middle aged skinny pencilneck who's never touched a weight in his life, Lift Studios?
Thanks for furthering my point of lowering discussions to message board banter.
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Thanks for furthering my point of lowering discussions to message board banter.
no problem "Isaac".
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how pathetic don't these fools realize you can suppress the truth
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I would just like to say that as a young, spunky web designer, I enjoy working for athletes and contributors on both side of the FLEX/MD aisle.
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are you suggesting that Romano doesn't respect "Pecker" because he's a middle aged skinny pencilneck who's never touched a weight in his life, Lift Studios?
You know - hence lies the problem of people who think your way. Again, not everyone is likes, writes and works in the industry of bodybuilding has to be a bodybuilder. A movie critic doesnt have to make moves to critic them. A football writer and photographer doesnt have to play football. Writing about horseracing doesnt mean you need to train horses. Get over it already. If you ever go to expos, there are various people of all shapes and sizes. Haven't you ever been to a baseball game.
But this does send a message that enough is enough on malicious bashing.
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How pathetic. I started lifting weights when I was 12 years old (now almost 30) and reading Muscle & Fitness and Flex at the same time. I have seen a lot of bullshit over the years including real bullshit at the 94 NOC where a real bull actually shit on the stage. But none of that stinks as bad as this. Is McGough the new dictator of the Mr. O? Does he decide who can and cannot have press passes? So much for Freedom of the press huh? Pathetic. Allowing Md to be there gives a different take on the Olympia than just Flex Magazine. I am ashamed to have a subscription to Flex.
I don't post a lot, but I have been in this sport for a long time. I have competed and plan on doing so again in the future. Anyways...just my 2 cents.
Travis
LOL....those were the days...yes, there was a bull taking a dump on stage, and people laughed their head off ;D
they had this banner saying" MORE BEEF THAN A CATTLE RANCH" that was funny, and the line up was great too. MR DORIAN YATES WAS ONSTAGE.
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exactly that is bullshit flex is a rival magazine to md they both report on the same industry how can they have the right to ban md it sounds like they are the industry! this bullshit will have a knock on effect on flex magazines qaulity >:(
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"Free Press" pertains to what the government has to allow its citizens, not to what one private corporation has to give to another.
Likewise, someone is not stifling your "freedom of speech" if they stop you from saying whatever you want on their premises. All MD can do is get the IFBB's non-profit status looked into more carefully, and then hope the government cares enough to look into anti-trust policies.
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There are ramifications that come with the "being a rebel" gig...
Gee, why the hell do I smell a poke shot at Lee Priest on this one?
Can you tell us , Bob? ;D
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If FLEX's editor doesn't approve of bashing other competitors, then why did he do it in retaliation? That he did do it indicates he does approve of bashing others, & if so then he can take what he dishes out--even in retaliation.
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You're right...and they fucked themselves out of that privilege throughout the year with malicious bashing and personal attacks of the very people that give the press passes.
Not the brightest move...you reap what you sow.
Then how is it that you haven't fucked yourself out of the rep position with all the bashing and ifbb rule breaking you do? If anyone could be said to have made malicious bashing and personal attacks, it's you. Oh but I forgot, you're just a puppet?
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Then how is it that you haven't fucked yourself out of the rep position with all the bashing and ifbb rule breaking you do? If anyone could be said to have made malicious bashing and personal attacks, it's you. Oh but I forgot, you're just a puppet?
What the hell are you talking about?
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There are a lot of very well thought out posts here. Good points and counter-points. But at the end of the day we are talking about men prancing around in thongs, who cares.
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Apparently I dont undertand what "genius" means.. ::)
Being an employee for Testicular Maldevelopment pretty much means that you inevitably don't understand what "good journalism" is either.
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I was contacted to work on the TV/DVD production and webcast, since I did that type of work for almost 8 years with the ESPN American Muscle show and the event coverage we did many times for the Olympias, Arnold, USA, etc. My old boss wanted to bring me out of retirement to help out with directing an ENG camera crew. I probably would have been helping out with backstage interviews and the stuff that went on live on the Jumbotron to the audience.
We (my old boss and I) agreed on a rate and other terms, but suddenly he was told from someone at Weider/AMI that I was not welcome on his crew as I was a writer for MD. Never mind the fact that I also write for Musclemag, Ironman, and REPS. And I have never said a single bad thing about Peter McGough or Robin Chang. In fact, Robin and I worked together for four or five years in the same office for that same boss and I still consider him a friend.
Pretty silly, isn't it?
No loss - I don't really miss TV production - LONG, LONG hours and impossible to get your meals in every 2-3 hours. The lifestyle of a freelance writer is much better for me.
I DO NOT like your name on here man >:( that movie scared the crap out of me when I watched it and I still won't watch it :P
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Bottom Line ---- If AMI didnt run the Olympia like amatures and make so many screw ups then there would be nothing to complain about !!! The Olympia should be run by a Nuetral afffliation , its the peoples Show not a magazines show !!
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If AMI didnt run the Olympia like amatures and make so many screw ups then there would be nothing to complain about
Then go ahead, and bid on the Olympia next year, become the promoter, run it the way you want, and see if you can make money for everyone while making sure that it is the best contest. Many of tried on other shows, and it is much harder than it sounds (Mike M and Shawn R will attest to that). You have budgets, hidden costs, promotions, people, etc).
I go to a contest, and try and see what the best way to make it a good contest and build it up. All the way from smaller NPC shows (NPC Jr. Cal) to large NPC shows (NPC Tournament of Champions) that also have a IFBB pro figure show, to larger shows, and so on. Each has lots of situations, that you need to take care of.
Now as for the Olympia, personally, it is the best and most fun show I go to. The biggest competitors are there, both at the expo and at the contest, and yes, of course, there were problems, but Robin has listened to them, and is trying to make the best Olympia out there. And I fully support him on that.
Last year, I had a great time. Yes, the buses were an issue - some stage problems were an issue, people complained about the hotel, but all in all, most of the people said they had a good time, and that was what was important.
This year, Ronnie is going to try to break the record, and if he does, it will be a great moment in bodybuilding history. And stop complaining, come to the Olympia, and lets have fun. And let me take a picture of you..