funny...it was dated yesterday
but this cracks me up:
you know why he's doing this dont you?Because he has no MONEY FOR A LAWYER
http://www.helpleepriest.org/.
you know why he's doing this dont you?Because he has no MONEY FOR A LAWYER
Will the PDI pay Lee's legal expenses? Answer, no. The Weiders sold their publishing company for 325 million or something like that. Whoever has the deepest pockets wins here.no I Disagree.
Now, will all the sheep get back in your proper pens. Case closed.
http://www.helpleepriest.org/
Will the PDI pay Lee's legal expenses? Answer, no. The Weiders sold their publishing company for 325 million or something like that. Whoever has the deepest pockets wins here.
Now, will all the sheep get back in your proper pens. Case closed.
So who's gonna make up t-shirts that say "Reinstate Lee Priest!" on the front, and "Shove rule 1.7 up your arse, Ben!" on the back, and get as many people as possible to wear them at the Olympia??
Spider-man? (this time, don't use FedEx ;D)
Will the PDI pay Lee's legal expenses? Answer, no. The Weiders sold their publishing company for 325 million or something like that. Whoever has the deepest pockets wins here.
Now, will all the sheep get back in your proper pens. Case closed.
Whoever has the deepest pockets wins here.
Lee,
give me a fuckin break..you want people to contribute to your legal defense fund to help you. You have plenty of money. Don't rely on others to pay for your mistake. You gotta pay to play. You need to take responsibilty for yourself. Be a man. Why should we waste any money on you. You are a great bodybuilder, you seem down to earth, you are a role model for many, but dont ask "getbiggers" for money. Thats really petty. Just like Lift Studios just said,,use that 20,000 you just won to pay for your legal team. You have thousands of dollars in tattoos and gear and a nice home, and racing. Cmon Lee!!
After further review, that letter is ridiculous. What the hell is up with all the names down the left margin? Why the fck does Ben Weider had 16 letters after his name? That logo sucks.
you know why he's doing this dont you?Because he has no MONEY FOR A LAWYERseriously shut the fck up no one cares.
Lee,
give me a fuckin break..you want people to contribute to your legal defense fund to help you. You have plenty of money. Don't rely on others to pay for your mistake. You gotta pay to play. You need to take responsibilty for yourself. Be a man. Why should we waste any money on you. You are a great bodybuilder, you seem down to earth, you are a role model for many, but dont ask "getbiggers" for money. Thats really petty. Just like Lift Studios just said,,use that 20,000 you just won to pay for your legal team. You have thousands of dollars in tattoos and gear and a nice home, and racing. Cmon Lee!!
onlyme,,,how is it illegal what the ifbb is doing..Lee knew it,,now he has to deal with it.
Bob is a coward and disgrace to his job.
He should be the one starting that website. He should rallying the troops and kicking this fight into high gear *no pun intended*
Bob, we are calling you out. "Stand up and do your job"
Bob is a coward and disgrace to his job.
He should be the one starting that website. He should rallying the troops and kicking this fight into high gear *no pun intended*
Bob, we are calling you out. "Stand up and do your job"
Lee,
give me a fuckin break..you want people to contribute to your legal defense fund to help you. You have plenty of money. Don't rely on others to pay for your mistake. You gotta pay to play. You need to take responsibilty for yourself. Be a man. Why should we waste any money on you. You are a great bodybuilder, you seem down to earth, you are a role model for many, but dont ask "getbiggers" for money. Thats really petty. Just like Lift Studios just said,,use that 20,000 you just won to pay for your legal team. You have thousands of dollars in tattoos and gear and a nice home, and racing. Cmon Lee!!
Lee,
give me a fuckin break..you want people to contribute to your legal defense fund to help you. You have plenty of money. Don't rely on others to pay for your mistake. You gotta pay to play. You need to take responsibilty for yourself. Be a man. Why should we waste any money on you. You are a great bodybuilder, you seem down to earth, you are a role model for many, but dont ask "getbiggers" for money. Thats really petty. Just like Lift Studios just said,,use that 20,000 you just won to pay for your legal team. You have thousands of dollars in tattoos and gear and a nice home, and racing. Cmon Lee!!
Is that a $300 website? ;D
Big fan of Lee's, however, a contract is a contract. Why the hell did he sign it in the first place? Its like your roofer just decided to not show up half way through the project--that is why there are contracts.LOL!
Also, Lee said he paid 60,000 dollars in taxes last year, so he MUST be making some money somehow. Whats next? Pay Lee's parking ticket.com???
I hate to say this but I agree.Its to help all bodybuilders not just me you idiots.Jimmy yep you made a fortune from the IFBB i can see why your so happy.Enjoy my friend enjoy....
For arguments sake...even if the rule got reversed, and everyone could compete wherever the wanted to...how many athletes do you think would go? None that wouldn't consider going now, anyway...The top guys aren't going, the second tier guys aren't going...
That IFBB logo kills me! ;D
What about third-tier guys like you, Bob? ::)
Seriously... if 1.7 didn't exist, and any athlete could have done the NOC with no repercussions, you don't think a lot more guys (who were in shape around this time anyway for the Olympia) wouldn't have taken a shot at a $20k payday?
What about third-tier guys like you, Bob? ::)
Seriously... if 1.7 didn't exist, and any athlete could have done the NOC with no repercussions, you don't think a lot more guys (who were in shape around this time anyway for the Olympia) wouldn't have taken a shot at a $20k payday?
First off...it wasn't MY job to inform Lee...I did it because I wanted him to know ASAP, the address they sent it to was his last address, and even if it got forwarded, it could've taken 5-6 days to get to him.
There is no reason for him to be dieting, if he knows he wont be allowed to compete...(at least not for the Olympia). Lee is a friend of mine, I've offered my help to him if he should want it do prepare a response, or an appeal, etc....other than that, I'm afraid there's not too much I can do for him.
You guys act like this is a big shock, I informed Lee MONTHS ago, that this would be the consequence of his actions should he pursue competing in a non sanctioned show...Lee is all to aware of the rules, and has stated many times, that he didn't care...
If he wishes to try and take it to court...all the power to him, I don't care either way, nor do I believe it would change things to any great degree. My concern is making change within the organization, and getting proposals passed that will impact the largest number of athletes...
I will say this: I'm not quite sure what Lee's point is in all this. He's stated numerous times that he doesn't like the IFBB, doesn't like the Olympia, doesn't like Ben Weider, etc, etc....Then why fight to stay in a federation that he clearly dislikes, anyway??
He should be championing the cause for more people to follow him to the promised land, as he has blazed the path for them...If he truly believes the PDI is the way to go, then he should be supporting it with 100% of his efforts, not wasting time trying to get rules changed that have been in place (and we all agree to by way of signing up every year) for 40 years.
For arguments sake...even if the rule got reversed, and everyone could compete wherever the wanted to...how many athletes do you think would go? None that wouldn't consider going now, anyway...The top guys aren't going, the second tier guys aren't going, the athletes that hate/ distrust Wayne aren't going...that leaves the guys who aren't placing/ making money in the IFBB now...who are the same guys that have nothing to lose by going now.....
Its to help all bodybuilders not just me you idiots.Jimmy yep you made a fortune from the IFBB i can see why your so happy.Enjoy my friend enjoy....
Bob is a coward and disgrace to his job.He is doing his job. Can you name a better IFBB kiss ass ;) Sorry my bad i forgot about Shawn
He should be the one starting that website. He should rallying the troops and kicking this fight into high gear *no pun intended*
Bob, we are calling you out. "Stand up and do your job"
No, I don't believe one guy entering the Olympia would have competed in the NOC...for a variety of reasons. 1. It was a circus 2. Most of them don't like or trust Wayne 3. Not enough money, etcBob how many bb's are competing in the Mr. O? Now, how many are not? That's how many may have a chance to make $20K. And guess what Bob, that includes you. You're answers are not answers. They're your same old tired rhetoric. Change the song. I think the real deal is that you're pissed that when Lee prevails in court and effecively wipes out 1.7 he will be doing more for the athletes in one swipe than you've done in your entire tenure as so called athletes rep.
I just feel that you are in a powerful position and by making this a "circus act" by asking for money via a thread would just discredit the situation. If funds need to be raised I feel they should be raised under a different senario...this is just my opinion.
If he has more money available for this, he can get more/better lawyers to get 1.7 overturned. I don't know why anyone's giving him shit about starting a legal war chest... this isn't about Lee... it's about breaking the IFBB's stranglehold on the athletes and making things better for everyone. It's not like Lee killed his roommate, burned her body in the trunk of his Jaguar, got arrested, and asked people to support his defense, is it? ::)
If he has more money available for this, he can get more/better lawyers to get 1.7 overturned. I don't know why anyone's giving him shit about starting a legal war chest... this isn't about Lee... it's about breaking the IFBB's stranglehold on the athletes and making things better for everyone. It's not like Lee killed his roommate, burned her body in the trunk of his Jaguar, got arrested, and asked people to support his defense, is it? ::)
Does it really matter, Lee?
Bob how many bb's are competing in the Mr. O? Now, how many are not? That's how many may have a chance to make $20K. And guess what Bob, that includes you. You're answers are not answers. They're your same old tired rhetoric. Change the song. I think the real deal is that you're pissed that when Lee prevails in court and effecively wipes out 1.7 he will be doing more for the athletes in one swipe than you've done in your entire tenure as so called athletes rep.
Lee,
My post has nothing to do about you receiving financial "help" from others. Lee you are in a situation here to change alot of things. All you need is one attorney that "get's it". At that point i don't think he would be worrying about funds. The case in itself would "pot luck" for him. I totally understand your side and I myself do not agree with certain things within the IFBB. Remember, I have been involved with the IFBB since 1984. So I have alot more history here and have seen many person, places, and things take place. I do not understand how you would state that I have made a fortune from the IFBB. Please do not take my post as a negative towards your decision for crossing over to the PDI. I just feel that you are in a powerful position and by making this a "circus act" by asking for money via a thread would just discredit the situation. If funds need to be raised I feel they should be raised under a different senario...this is just my opinion.
I didnt ask for the site it was done by the person.I know a lawyer who sees merit in the case who will take it with no mney up front....
Lee
So i didn't start the site or ask.
Bob, you make a very poor union man. The more you post the worse you look.
Even if he wins in court he will lose every IFBB show he ever enters again,the judges are waiting and well informed who gets what.
Nobody asked your opinion....
If he has more money available for this, he can get more/better lawyers to get 1.7 overturned. I don't know why anyone's giving him shit about starting a legal war chest... this isn't about Lee... it's about breaking the IFBB's stranglehold on the athletes and making things better for everyone. It's not like Lee killed his roommate, burned her body in the trunk of his Jaguar, got arrested, and asked people to support his defense, is it? ::)So how much have you donated, Daddy Warbucks? You should be first in line to give at least a grand if you believe needs the money so badly.
Look, Bob, I am already trying to help Goodrum. God knows the poor bugger can't help himself. Maybe you might need my help next? I have nothing better to do, anyway.
First off...it wasn't MY job to inform Lee...I did it because I wanted him to know ASAP, the address they sent it to was his last address, and even if it got forwarded, it could've taken 5-6 days to get to him.
There is no reason for him to be dieting, if he knows he wont be allowed to compete...(at least not for the Olympia). Lee is a friend of mine, I've offered my help to him if he should want it do prepare a response, or an appeal, etc....other than that, I'm afraid there's not too much I can do for him.
You guys act like this is a big shock, I informed Lee MONTHS ago, that this would be the consequence of his actions should he pursue competing in a non sanctioned show...Lee is all to aware of the rules, and has stated many times, that he didn't care...
If he wishes to try and take it to court...all the power to him, I don't care either way, nor do I believe it would change things to any great degree. My concern is making change within the organization, and getting proposals passed that will impact the largest number of athletes...
I will say this: I'm not quite sure what Lee's point is in all this. He's stated numerous times that he doesn't like the IFBB, doesn't like the Olympia, doesn't like Ben Weider, etc, etc....Then why fight to stay in a federation that he clearly dislikes, anyway??
He should be championing the cause for more people to follow him to the promised land, as he has blazed the path for them...If he truly believes the PDI is the way to go, then he should be supporting it with 100% of his efforts, not wasting time trying to get rules changed that have been in place (and we all agree to by way of signing up every year) for 40 years.
For arguments sake...even if the rule got reversed, and everyone could compete wherever the wanted to...how many athletes do you think would go? None that wouldn't consider going now, anyway...The top guys aren't going, the second tier guys aren't going, the athletes that hate/ distrust Wayne aren't going...that leaves the guys who aren't placing/ making money in the IFBB now...who are the same guys that have nothing to lose by going now.....
Chick, isn't it really your job to inform any IFBB pro information coming from the head office. You are the Athlete's rep representing aren't you?
No...that info has to come from the main office (Ben), or the Pres. (Jim)...I only posted it as a courtesy to Lee, so that he could be informed as soon as possible. The Official notification has to be mailed.
No...that info has to come from the main office (Ben), or the Pres. (Jim)...I only posted it as a courtesy to Lee, so that he could be informed as soon as possible. The Official notification has to be mailed.
I'm not talking about what Lee has done. It's they other business methods the IFBB uses to do business. They have made many millions of dollars without paying taxes (US). They may paid Canadian but they money they have made has been from the US and no matter what Uncle wants his share. And the promotion of Steroid use is also going to come out. The courts are going to ask about the drug testing. They are going to ask for recent and past drug tests and how often they are administered.
Thats you to a T Chic always putting people before yourself and always having your charges interests at heart :-*
You might have a point, if not for a few things....Bob, that made some sense. But, again you've zero'd in on the PDI and the central issue. I believe the central issue would be a competition and prize money NOT the alphabet that it's being held under. Let's assume for a moment that Mr. Moneybags has no affialtion whatso ever with any federation but he has pockets full of money. As a hobby, he rather likes expos and bodybuilding. So he decides to put on a show. A show that's open to all pro's of any federation. Top prize $50 second place $30K third place $20K. That's $100k in total prize money. Would you not agree that this would be a good thing for athletes of any federation to enter? There's only one problem. As you know, there are several federations in existance and it's nearly impossible to coordinate event scheduals. Therefore, there will be several federations that have their events on the same date and seeing that no one could be in 2 places at the same time, that means opportunities for some who have not committed to compete elsewhere. As I keep saying, this is a winning situation for the athletes. Not just the IFBB, not just the PDI, not just the XYZ but all athletes. Remember, Mr. Moneybags has no ties to any alphabets, he's just a business man looking to make money. All he has to do is make it lucrative enough to entice some top level athletes who have not yet committed to competing elsewhere. Like I said. It's a win win.
Another federation will only help those NOT making a dime in the IFBB...IF and only IF, everyone is NOT allowed to compete....
If the 1st tier guys decide to compete there...THEY will make the money. Lets say none of the first tier guys go...Lets say the second tier guys go and compete, then THEY will make all the money.
Basically, the only way the lower tier guys can make any prize money, etc...is if everyone ahead of them DOESN'T compete....
The best case senario for the PDI, is to try and reach a different market, as the one currently supporting the IFBB is only interested in seeing the best bodybuilders in the world...
Bob, do you think we are the great unwashed here? Do you think all bodybuilders are stupid and uneducated? Well, some of us can read and from what you post it is clear that you are not representing Lee and never have in this issue. You are nothing more than a rubber stamp of the IFBB. You are saving your own neck and could care less about Lee. You merely say, "I told you do". Like I said, you aren't any union man. The only thing you can count on is that other bodybuilders love it when competition is reduced. It ups their chances for a higher placing.
Another federation will only help those NOT making a dime in the IFBB...IF and only IF, everyone is NOT allowed to compete....
If the 1st tier guys decide to compete there...THEY will make the money. Lets say none of the first tier guys go...Lets say the second tier guys go and compete, then THEY will make all the money.
Basically, the only way the lower tier guys can make any prize money, etc...is if everyone ahead of them DOESN'T compete....
Bob, that made some sense. But, again you've zero'd in on the PDI and the central issue. I believe the central issue would be a competition and prize money NOT the alphabet that it's being held under. Let's assume for a moment that Mr. Moneybags has no affialtion whatso ever with any federation but he has pockets full of money. As a hobby, he rather likes expos and bodybuilding. So he decides to put on a show. A show that's open to all pro's of any federation. Top prize $50 second place $30K third place $20K. That's $100k in total prize money. Would you not agree that this would be a good thing for athletes of any federation to enter? There's only one problem. As you know, there are several federations in existance and it's nearly impossible to coordinate event scheduals. Therefore, there will be several federations that have their events on the same date and seeing that no one could be in 2 places at the same time, that means opportunities for some who have not committed to compete elsewhere. As I keep saying, this is a winning situation for the athletes. Not just the IFBB, not just the PDI, not just the XYZ but all athletes. Remember, Mr. Moneybags has no ties to any alphabets, he's just a business man looking to make money. All he has to do is make it lucrative enough to entice some top level athletes who have not yet committed to competing elsewhere. Like I said. It's a win win.
So the top guys would make more money. Is there a prob with that? More money to pro bodybuilders. Where does the problem lie? You rep tier 1,2,3,4 guys, right? Why cockblock Cutler or melvin from earning a little change?
You're assuming a great deal of factors...
That athletes the calliber of Jay, Melvin, etc would actually want to compete for another fed.
That there is enough fan interest to support more than one fed. (IMO, there clearly is not)
That there is enough supp company interest and ROI, to support another fed (see above) as evidenced by the lack of both at the NOC....
That the athletes would want to work for Wayne...they don't.
You're assuming a great deal of factors...Bob, honestly, I don't think the fans or supplement companies give a crap about any fed. All the fans care about are seeing their favorite bodybuilders. All the sup's care about are hawking their powder. So if what I said is true, your fed would still not allow your athletes to compete. I don't think the rules say compete in another federation. Don't the say can't compete in a non-IFBB sanctioned event. So what seems important here is that in all cases that the IFBB wants to be paid. You're a contractor to them, but they want a piece of your action? Can you really say that's fair to any athlete tier 1 thru last? And I guess my last thought on this would be why be forced to give up an affiliation with any federation just to compete in a show, any show, forget about the alphabet? What if Mr. Moneybags doesn't want member athletes? What if he want's his shows made up from a sprinkling of athletes from different organizations a kind of unification match? I just don't see why an athlete has to give up his affiliation for more opportunities to compete?
That athletes the calliber of Jay, Melvin, etc would actually want to compete for another fed.
That there is enough fan interest to support more than one fed. (IMO, there clearly is not)
That there is enough supp company interest and ROI, to support another fed (see above) as evidenced by the lack of both at the NOC....
That the athletes would want to work for Wayne...they don't.
You're assuming a great deal of factors...
That athletes the calliber of Jay, Melvin, etc would actually want to compete for another fed.
That there is enough fan interest to support more than one fed. (IMO, there clearly is not)
That there is enough supp company interest and ROI, to support another fed (see above) as evidenced by the lack of both at the NOC....
That the athletes would want to work for Wayne...they don't.
Nobody is blocking them...if they aint making money in the IFBB...what do they have to lose by going to the PDI, or any other federation??
They SHOULD go...God bless them, and I hope they can make a living from BB.
Bob said:What did you expect me to do in "representing " lee?
Just how am I "saving my neck"? Saving my neck from what?
As usual...STFU about issues you don't have the first clue about.
An athletes rep should represent all athletes and their issues to the IFBB. Lee wanted to participate in another event not sanctioned by the IFBB. So Bob should have done something to forward that request. What did Bob do? He came on line and warned Lee about being suspended and that is exactly what has happened. Bob has done nothing for Lee about this request and he refuses to act on his behalf.
Bob, you are saving your neck because you merely quote the IFBB rules and distance yourself from what has happened to Lee. It is not your fault and you even warned him. You, Bob, are an IFBB official so according to the constitution are part of the IFBB. You, therefore, since you agree with those rules and this rule in particular, are responsible for what has happened to Lee.
Using STFU on a discussion board might seem cool to you but it sure makes you look uncouth and ignorant to me. Please use intelligent discourse to defeat arguments and not offensive insults. You are hardly a role model and I would not support you as a rep for anything.
...Manion threatened Fizogen that he would have there products pulled from GNC if they were going to go through and sign Priest.
Bob said:What did you expect me to do in "representing " lee?
Just how am I "saving my neck"? Saving my neck from what?
As usual...STFU about issues you don't have the first clue about.
An athletes rep should represent all athletes and their issues to the IFBB. Lee wanted to participate in another event not sanctioned by the IFBB. So Bob should have done something to forward that request. What did Bob do? He came on line and warned Lee about being suspended and that is exactly what has happened. Bob has done nothing for Lee about this request and he refuses to act on his behalf.
Bob, you are saving your neck because you merely quote the IFBB rules and distance yourself from what has happened to Lee. It is not your fault and you even warned him. You, Bob, are an IFBB official so according to the constitution are part of the IFBB. You, therefore, since you agree with those rules and this rule in particular, are responsible for what has happened to Lee.
Using STFU on a discussion board might seem cool to you but it sure makes you look uncouth and ignorant to me. Please use intelligent discourse to defeat arguments and not offensive insults. You are hardly a role model and I would not support you as a rep for anything.
Crap like that is exactly what makes this a restraint-of-trade and anti-trust case. The IFBB is going down.
Let's not forget Chick was not appointed "Athlete's Rep" by a vote. He was placed there by Manion. Shawn Ray was voted and once he resigned Chick took his place. Why wasn't there a vote?
I think because there was nobody else interested in the job. I don't know for sure though.
From where I am in the dark, removed and uninformed, it appears the 3 stooges of Getbig are Bob, Goodrum and Weinberger! Bob is the smart one but not by much. The beautiful thing was that they were all totally oblivious of their own shortcomings and hence the humour.
Was there a letter sent to the IFBB pros if anyone wanted to run? If so, let's see it.
Let's not forget Chick was not appointed "Athlete's Rep" by a vote. He was placed there by Manion. Shawn Ray was voted and once he resigned Chick took his place. Why wasn't there a vote?
You want to have a civil discussion...no problem. You want to throw insults, expect a return in kind. You want respect...show some. I never brought you up once in this thread....act like an asshole, you'll get treated like one.
Now, Lee never asked for my help in presenting any case to the IFBB...If he did, I would have had no problem in giving my best advice.
I'm responsible for what happened to Lee???? LOLOL...no, my friend...Lee is responsible for what happened to Lee...no one else.
Shawn resigned...the job was posted for a month, no one else was interested. I volunteered for the position, as I worked with Shawn with his agenda...end of story.
I'll welcome the opportunity for anyone to run for the position against me when it comes up this next year...
What I don't get is why the rule can't be changed? If the PDI is so small as Bob says, why not let athletes compete at both if they want? What hurt would it do? What's wrong with just getting it changed?
isn't ben weider retarded?
Shawn resigned...the job was posted for a month, no one else was interested. I volunteered for the position, as I worked with Shawn with his agenda...end of story.
I'll welcome the opportunity for anyone to run for the position against me when it comes up this next year...
Lee is responsible for what happened to Lee...no one else.
Business is Business...the supplement companies have hundreds of thousands of dollars invested in the NPC/IFBB, they're not stupid...they make a good chunk of their change by way of magazines, and by appealing to the largest fan base in the sport of BB...the NPC/IFBB.
Given that fact, can you blame any of them for staying loyal to where they pitch their tent? Hell no....
There are perks that come with loyalty and staying power, thats the case in EVERY aspect of business...sports related or other wise.
They also know that theey aren't going to tap any "new" market by supporting a federation like the PDI....for the most part, the same fans that would have an interest in attending ANY BB show...spending twice the investment to appeal to the same people, does not make any sense.
exactly, and why he has the audacity to ask for donations, is he destitute?
Chic how do explain numerous supp companies have contacted Wayne to be a sponsor. Only to get notified by the IFBB that if they did they would not be able to work with the IFBB anymore. There is money from sponsors for both organizations, just the IFBB doesn't want to share. You work for a bunch of assholes Chic and you know it.
We've been through this many times Vince but the fact of the matter is that as long as a person who derives income from the IFBB himself is athlete representative it will always be a joke of a position.
But its not Bob's fault. Its the collective lack of interest in doing anything about their situation that is the problem. Nobody else stepped up and he took it. He does an ok job but he does have a conflict of interest.
fukem lee, take that money, and go buy a new GT500. On some boards i frequent, they are finding a tune on the dyno, and intake is getting them to 500 RWHP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
8)
Youve done more than enough in bodybuilding..i say take a break, rest your body and enjoy life. Take the LEvronie road..the wise road..
I would like to donate 18 gallons of Insecticide, and 40,000 tampons with no applicators to Lee Priest's cause.
For arguments sake...even if the rule got reversed, and everyone could compete wherever the wanted to...how many athletes do you think would go? None that wouldn't consider going now, anyway...The top guys aren't going, the second tier guys aren't going, the athletes that hate/ distrust Wayne aren't going...that leaves the guys who aren't placing/ making money in the IFBB now...who are the same guys that have nothing to lose by going now.....
**Taken from Athlete's meeting thread**
2006 proposals
8/23/06
Bob Cicherillo
IFBB Athletes representative
ITEM 1
AMENDMENT OF SECT 1.7
Amendment of section 1.7 of the IFBB Pro League rules. Athletes WILL be allowed to make appearances on behalf of companies they represent and/ or as individuals to: (including but not limited to) non –sanctioned events, expo’s, guest posing, appearances, seminars, openings, etc. As IFBB athletes are listed as “independent contractors” by our own IFBB by laws and therefore cannot be limited in their ability to make a living from being a professional.
Athlete would be required to be a IFBB athlete in good standing, and any and all promotional items, advertisements, etc linked to said event(s) would require that athlete be billed and represented as an IFBB athlete.
ITEM 2
IFBB TO MAKE ATHLETES EMPLOYEES
Upon denial of ITEM 1, IFBB to make athletes direct members of the IFBB (as opposed to the “Pro division”). Pro athletes would be paid a monthly salary from IFBB and subsequently, would be required by state law to fill out a 10-99-tax form for their individual tax purposes. 10-99 would be required from IFBB (employer) to IFBB pro athletes (employees).
Looks like it only took one guy with big enough nuts to stand up for what's right to get the ball rolling.
BTW, I'm no lawyer but this bit here seems to state that no athlete can be suspended for competing in any other federation based on the IFBB's own by laws that exist right now: "As IFBB athletes are listed as “independent contractors” by our own IFBB by laws and therefore cannot be limited in their ability to make a living from being a professional"
Lee, stick it to the man!!!! I met you in Perth Western Australia when you were over here doing your seminars earlier this year, was a pleasure to meet you, and was by far the most entertaining seminar I have been to.
I got money on Chick as athlete's rep trying to take the credit for these changes if they are passed, but we all know who is really the MAN!!!!
about.
An athletes rep should represent all athletes and their issues to the IFBB. Lee wanted to participate in another event not sanctioned by the IFBB. So Bob should have done something to forward that request. What did Bob do? He came on line and warned Lee about being suspended and that is exactly what has happened. Bob has done nothing for Lee about this request and he refuses to act on his behalf.
Lee,
My post has nothing to do about you receiving financial "help" from others. Lee you are in a situation here to change alot of things. All you need is one attorney that "get's it". At that point i don't think he would be worrying about funds. The case in itself would "pot luck" for him. I totally understand your side and I myself do not agree with certain things within the IFBB. Remember, I have been involved with the IFBB since 1984. So I have alot more history here and have seen many person, places, and things take place. I do not understand how you would state that I have made a fortune from the IFBB. Please do not take my post as a negative towards your decision for crossing over to the PDI. I just feel that you are in a powerful position and by making this a "circus act" by asking for money via a thread would just discredit the situation. If funds need to be raised I feel they should be raised under a different senario...this is just my opinion.
Not sufficient drug testing.
Making money in America and not paying US taxes.
Controlling members lives and ways to make a living without providing any kind of compensation
Same Judges at the big shows all the time.
Providing no Health Insurance coverage while on photoshoots
Theres more but gotta think just woke up
I think any good business lawyer would have a field day with a copy of the contract the competitors have to sign for the Olympia, especially in regards, off the top of my head, to foregoing their monetary and proprietary rights to any pictures, videos, or other media . Just a farkin' indentured labour scam. They need to die in a fire.
Also, not actually promoting any shows. Yet require prize money to paid up front. Another thing that is bogus is how the IFBB and Manion would gurantee the prize money. That is a bogus and false statement to make them look good. What they do is cancel a show giving all type of excuses of why it was cancelled. It could veyr be a lack of funds but in reality thatlack of funds could mean the prize money coudln't be paid and thus the IFBB would have to pay. It is an item that has 100% no reality yet they put it in to show the pros they care and are there for them. What a bunch of bullshit. The IFBB takes credit for everything as does Weider. Yet when something bad goes down they are no where to be found.
Absoultely. That is one of the lamest contracts ever. I think maybe Chic put that together.
Right, so like when the Toronoto Pro was cancelled, the guys preparing for it were left SOL.That is horse shit! they can get away with anything.
Right, so like when the Toronoto Pro was cancelled, the guys preparing for it were left SOL.
"Sometimes you get the shaft, sometimes you get Rusty's trophy".
What the f**k?!? Why do people keep bringing up DRUG TESTING. like holy f**k it'd ruin the sport, you dumb fucks. Just go watch some Tennis if you want drug testing. Christ.
Also , wtf is the point of all this shit? Its about the IFBB suspending Lee (with good reason, it was in his CONTRACT) and its not gonna be about anything else the IFBB does.
You arent all Davids eh.
having judges that JUDGE employees....in shows!.
no names of course! 8)
Restraint of trade/ anti-trust: If they can find just one employee or former employee of a supplement company to testify that the IFBB threatened them with losing sponsorship or advertising opportunities if they gave an athlete a contract/ didn't put pressure on an athlete/ supported the PDI/ etc, then it's "game over" for the IFBB, big-time.
Yeah Dan at Fizogen Manion talk to him.Hope Dan would speak up but problay not.If he dose lie about it, I say don't buy his products.He told me they were maybe not going to run his adds and even take his products out of GNC which Jim helped to get in there and so forth.So he said Lee i would like to sponsor you but i can't afford to loose money and it's about making money.... so that's that.You should get BSN to sponsor you. They can't ban Ronnie's sponsor from IFBB events ;D
Rumor has it ( and it state rumor as I have only heard from second hand , so it is just hear say) that the IFBB through its varied Representatives have made similar threats to company's whom spend big money with them that if they show a allegiance to any other federation they will use there influences in the industry to have them loose accountants and thus income !!!I heard pigs can fly. :o
I repeat Just what I have heard !!
Actually the NZFBB president tried to persuade members not to frequent my stores when I exposed there miss operating of funds and there huge dept they had got themselves in via poor management, this backfired on him as my support far out weighed his influence !!
I heard pigs can fly. :o
So there we all were, summing up some key IFBB conflicts on interest for Lee's lawyer, when whoosh, it disappeared. How is discussing the fact that the IFBB may have several conflicts of interest in BB a reason to delete a thread?Because Ron, Shawn, Chic, Lift, and a few others are IFBB stooges. Ron's afraid if he ruffles too many feathers he won't be able to get into the O, you know, like MD? Personally, I think they should all get a pair but that would probably be wishful thinking especially for Shawn and Ron. I guess Chic has some as I hear he supposedly has a little one on the way. As far as Lift? No clue but he does act, walk, talk, and write like a eunic. So perhaps the rumors are true.
Because Ron, Shawn, Chic, Lift, and a few others are IFBB stooges. Ron's afraid if he ruffles too many feathers he won't be able to get into the O, you know, like MD? Personally, I think they should all get a pair but that would probably be wishful thinking especially for Shawn and Ron. I guess Chic has some as I hear he supposedly has a little one on the way. As far as Lift? No clue but he does act, walk, talk, and write like a eunic. So perhaps the rumors are true.
Plus, look, if an actual law suit is filed , the last place it should be discuessed is on some bonehead message board the week before the O .
Everyone reads this board.
If you wanna send a message and get people talking, this is the place to do it.
what's up with the deletions?
I wish I knew. Do I dare restate, from memory, what had been posted on the thread before it was deleted, or will the Ministry of Truth make me an unperson?
what's up with the deletions?
I can assure you if there was a thread bashing PDI legalities, we'd have five guys with blue stars hamming it up. Hell, it'd probably be pinned!
Yet this one disappears.
I like his cute little pink jacket!!
Kamali is seriously one ugly fucker.
I like his cute little pink jacket!!
Let's see...these were the ones I remember seeing posted, plus a few I was in the process of posting when I realized the thread was gone. Some are just gripes, not conflicts of interest. Can't vouch for their veracity of all of them....
Weider, who own the IFBB, owning the contracts of pros who compete in the Olympia, which is an IFBB event
Weiders owning Flex and Muscle & Fitness (i.e. not drug testing the shows since that would hurt their magazine sales).
IFBB Athletes Rep MCing shows
As you pointed out, guys getting the Rusty Shaft when shows like the Toronto Pro got cancelled
Manion helming both the NPC and the IFBB
No American taxes paid (as far as anyone knows)
And maybe the one that got the the killed...the Weiders owning stock in Anal lube
IFBB not paying their athletes but not allowing them to compete elsewhere either
IFBB owning all the rights to likeness from events without paying the athletes
And lastly, not necessarily a conflict of interest on the IFBB's part...but their athlete's rep scouring GetBig and getting posts deleted that dont jibe with the IFBB's plans to maintain their monopoly. Though someone claimed it was most likely Ron not wanting to lose his cozy status with The Man.
Give em hell
I haven't deleated any threads reguarding this issue...you guys can post 100 threads disputing it, talking about it, stomping your feet, making accusations, drumming up conspiracies, writing emails to Ben Weider and Jim Manion....
At the end of he day, it ain't going to mean shit...I've got more important issues to focus on, like 7 proposals on the table that affect EVERY pro bb.
Lift...yeah I threaten sponsors with my gangsta talk and talk about bust'n their skulls in. WTF is wrong with you Goatballs?
have you ever threatened sponsors on the IFBB's behalf? You seem like just the kind of loyal ass-kisser they would use. If so, consider testifying on Lee's behalf. You could be an important part of bringing down the IFBB monopoly! If not, does it bother you that despite your endless ball-licking, they still don't trust you enough to ask you to do their dirty work?
Because Ron, Shawn, Chic, Lift, and a few others are IFBB stooges. Ron's afraid if he ruffles too many feathers he won't be able to get into the O, you know, like MD? Personally, I think they should all get a pair but that would probably be wishful thinking especially for Shawn and Ron. I guess Chic has some as I hear he supposedly has a little one on the way. As far as Lift? No clue but he does act, walk, talk, and write like a eunic. So perhaps the rumors are true.Good call Swami. ::)
yeah I threaten sponsors with my gangsta talk and talk about bust'n their skulls in.
Good call Swami. ::)
I like his cute little pink jacket!!
After all the shit has settled Issac, are you and Kevin going to start your own photography studio. Allot of dogd and cats need their pics taken. Cause son you guys are going to be out of work. And until you realize that this is real, and your days are numbered as an IFBB nut hugger, you better be looking todo something else. I really don't think anyone is going to let up on the IFBB. And even you know they are crooked and decieving. The old IFBB ship is going down. As you sit there contemplating your new career have you even thought about their tax problems and what that can mean. I mean the IRS can so easily destroy them it ain't funny (okay I admit it's fucking hilarious). You guys better bump that Colorado Pro date up a little. Actually you can still do it just sanction it with the IFBB. You save money.You've been saying that it's going down forever and a day. Remove your lips from the PDI sack and come back to reality for a bit. You are more of a PDI ass licker then anyone could be towards the IFBB. I have plenty of business outside of the IFBB, not reliant upon it to survive, but I love your continued conspiracy theories.
After all the shit has settled Issac, are you and Kevin going to start your own photography studio. Allot of dogd and cats need their pics taken. Cause son you guys are going to be out of work. And until you realize that this is real, and your days are numbered as an IFBB nut hugger, you better be looking todo something else. I really don't think anyone is going to let up on the IFBB. And even you know they are crooked and decieving. The old IFBB ship is going down. As you sit there contemplating your new career have you even thought about their tax problems and what that can mean. I mean the IRS can so easily destroy them it ain't funny (okay I admit it's fucking hilarious). You guys better bump that Colorado Pro date up a little. Actually you can still do it just sanction it with the IFBB. You save money.
You've been saying that it's going down forever and a day. Remove your lips from the PDI sack and come back to reality for a bit. You are more of a PDI ass licker then anyone could be towards the IFBB. I have plenty of business outside of the IFBB, not reliant upon it to survive, but I love your continued conspiracy theories.
The colorado date has been moved up June 1-2, 2007. Mark your calendar but we'll pass on having you do the T-shirts. ;)
BTW I have an awesome setup - I can post on getbig while doing 45 minutes on the stepper - monster ADD ...
A few things I just realized -great post
BTW I have an awesome setup - I can post on getbig while doing 45 minutes on the stepper - monster ADD ...
- those of us who aren't BBers, but make money from living... if we have the skill set and hustle to make a living in a field as cash poor as BBing, we could live well doing anything :) No matter who wins this federation and court battle, they're always gonna need web marketing guys (me and lift), writers (lift), photogs (lift/kev), promoters/logistical (keith).
We can always make a living. We're lucky. We have longer competitive shelf lives. We have flexibility. personally, and I know it sounds lame, I worry more about BBers, as they dodge health and legal bullets and have to go to extremes, than I do about us logistical/support guys.
And since without these guys, we have no livelihood in the sport, our responsibility should be to push this court, federation, and personal battles stuff aside and find SOLUTIONS. There has to be a way for the federations to split the stuff. Why not give the PDI the summer shows and let the IFBB take the other 9 months. Or have guys do a min # of IFBB shows in order to do a PDI show. Be creative guys. The athletes are spending 3 hours a day in the gym and the bosses are spending 3 hours a day eating kittens (or whatever evil deeds that all bosses do). it's probably going to come down to fans/support people of the sport to come up with the monster ideas which will solve this stuff. War - which is impending - sure ain't a solution.
A few things I just realized -Totally
BTW I have an awesome setup - I can post on getbig while doing 45 minutes on the stepper - monster ADD ...
- those of us who aren't BBers, but make money from living... if we have the skill set and hustle to make a living in a field as cash poor as BBing, we could live well doing anything :) No matter who wins this federation and court battle, they're always gonna need web marketing guys (me and lift), writers (lift), photogs (lift/kev), promoters/logistical (keith).
We can always make a living. We're lucky. We have longer competitive shelf lives. We have flexibility. personally, and I know it sounds lame, I worry more about BBers, as they dodge health and legal bullets and have to go to extremes, than I do about us logistical/support guys.
And since without these guys, we have no livelihood in the sport, our responsibility should be to push this court, federation, and personal battles stuff aside and find SOLUTIONS. There has to be a way for the federations to split the stuff. Why not give the PDI the summer shows and let the IFBB take the other 9 months. Or have guys do a min # of IFBB shows in order to do a PDI show. Be creative guys. The athletes are spending 3 hours a day in the gym and the bosses are spending 3 hours a day eating kittens (or whatever evil deeds that all bosses do). it's probably going to come down to fans/support people of the sport to come up with the monster ideas which will solve this stuff. War - which is impending - sure ain't a solution.