Author Topic: Let's Play - IFBB Conflict on Interest on Lee (Read 25509 times)

DonDan · « **Reply #100 on:** September 21, 2006, 08:30:42 PM »

Quote from: Chick on September 21, 2006, 08:21:59 PM

You're assuming a great deal of factors...

That athletes the calliber of Jay, Melvin, etc would actually want to compete for another fed.

That there is enough fan interest to support more than one fed. (IMO, there clearly is not)

That there is enough supp company interest and ROI, to support another fed (see above) as evidenced by the lack of both at the NOC....

That the athletes would want to work for Wayne...they don't.

Bob, honestly, I don't think the fans or supplement companies give a crap about any fed. All the fans care about are seeing their favorite bodybuilders. All the sup's care about are hawking their powder. So if what I said is true, your fed would still not allow your athletes to compete. I don't think the rules say compete in another federation. Don't the say can't compete in a non-IFBB sanctioned event. So what seems important here is that in all cases that the IFBB wants to be paid. You're a contractor to them, but they want a piece of your action? Can you really say that's fair to any athlete tier 1 thru last? And I guess my last thought on this would be why be forced to give up an affiliation with any federation just to compete in a show, any show, forget about the alphabet? What if Mr. Moneybags doesn't want member athletes? What if he want's his shows made up from a sprinkling of athletes from different organizations a kind of unification match? I just don't see why an athlete has to give up his affiliation for more opportunities to compete?

Chick · « **Reply #101 on:** September 21, 2006, 08:33:01 PM »

Nobody is blocking them...if they aint making money in the IFBB...what do they have to lose by going to the PDI, or any other federation??

They SHOULD go...God bless them, and I hope they can make a living from BB.

bbinsider · « **Reply #102 on:** September 21, 2006, 08:34:15 PM »

Quote from: Chick on September 21, 2006, 08:21:59 PM

You're assuming a great deal of factors...

That athletes the calliber of Jay, Melvin, etc would actually want to compete for another fed.

That there is enough fan interest to support more than one fed. (IMO, there clearly is not)

That there is enough supp company interest and ROI, to support another fed (see above) as evidenced by the lack of both at the NOC....

That the athletes would want to work for Wayne...they don't.

Cmon Chick, you know that Manion has a choke hold on most of these supplement companies. Only the big boys like VPX (Jack Owac) who won't take any shit had the balls to sponsor the PDI along with Universal. Let's not forget Universal is pretty powerful. Everybody else is scared to even look at a different direction.
The supplement companies are looking to make money and from what angle it comes from they don't care. Why do you think most of them advertise in 6-7 magazines and don't just advertise in just one.

Oh! and one more just before the NOC I heard that Manion threatened Fizogen that he would have there products pulled from GNC if they were going to go through and sign Priest.

johnnyx · « **Reply #103 on:** September 21, 2006, 08:37:17 PM »

Quote from: Chick on September 21, 2006, 08:33:01 PM

Nobody is blocking them...if they aint making money in the IFBB...what do they have to lose by going to the PDI, or any other federation??

They SHOULD go...God bless them, and I hope they can make a living from BB.

So why should they not be able to compete in another fed. and still come back to compete in the IFBB? If all the top tier BB are still going to show up for both what seems to be the problem??

Vince B · « **Reply #104 on:** September 21, 2006, 08:37:33 PM »

Bob said:What did you expect me to do in "representing " lee?

Just how am I "saving my neck"? Saving my neck from what?

As usual...STFU about issues you don't have the first clue about.

An athletes rep should represent all athletes and their issues to the IFBB. Lee wanted to participate in another event not sanctioned by the IFBB. So Bob should have done something to forward that request. What did Bob do? He came on line and warned Lee about being suspended and that is exactly what has happened. Bob has done nothing for Lee about this request and he refuses to act on his behalf.

Bob, you are saving your neck because you merely quote the IFBB rules and distance yourself from what has happened to Lee. It is not your fault and you even warned him. You, Bob, are an IFBB official so according to the constitution are part of the IFBB. You, therefore, since you agree with those rules and this rule in particular, are responsible for what has happened to Lee.

Using STFU on a discussion board might seem cool to you but it sure makes you look uncouth and ignorant to me. Please use intelligent discourse to defeat arguments and not offensive insults. You are hardly a role model and I would not support you as a rep for anything.

dorkeroo · « **Reply #105 on:** September 21, 2006, 08:41:26 PM »

Quote from: Vince Basile on September 21, 2006, 08:37:33 PM

Bob said:What did you expect me to do in "representing " lee?

Just how am I "saving my neck"? Saving my neck from what?

As usual...STFU about issues you don't have the first clue about.

An athletes rep should represent all athletes and their issues to the IFBB. Lee wanted to participate in another event not sanctioned by the IFBB. So Bob should have done something to forward that request. What did Bob do? He came on line and warned Lee about being suspended and that is exactly what has happened. Bob has done nothing for Lee about this request and he refuses to act on his behalf.

Bob, you are saving your neck because you merely quote the IFBB rules and distance yourself from what has happened to Lee. It is not your fault and you even warned him. You, Bob, are an IFBB official so according to the constitution are part of the IFBB. You, therefore, since you agree with those rules and this rule in particular, are responsible for what has happened to Lee.

Using STFU on a discussion board might seem cool to you but it sure makes you look uncouth and ignorant to me. Please use intelligent discourse to defeat arguments and not offensive insults. You are hardly a role model and I would not support you as a rep for anything.

I agree 100%.

Chick · « **Reply #106 on:** September 21, 2006, 08:42:04 PM »

Business is Business...the supplement companies have hundreds of thousands of dollars invested in the NPC/IFBB, they're not stupid...they make a good chunk of their change by way of magazines, and by appealing to the largest fan base in the sport of BB...the NPC/IFBB.

Given that fact, can you blame any of them for staying loyal to where they pitch their tent? Hell no....

There are perks that come with loyalty and staying power, thats the case in EVERY aspect of business...sports related or other wise.

They also know that theey aren't going to tap any "new" market by supporting a federation like the PDI....for the most part, the same fans that would have an interest in attending ANY BB show...spending twice the investment to appeal to the same people, does not make any sense.

G o a t b o y · « **Reply #107 on:** September 21, 2006, 08:42:37 PM »

Quote from: bbinsider on September 21, 2006, 08:34:15 PM

...Manion threatened Fizogen that he would have there products pulled from GNC if they were going to go through and sign Priest.

Crap like that is exactly what makes this a restraint-of-trade and anti-trust case. The IFBB is going down.

bbinsider · « **Reply #108 on:** September 21, 2006, 08:42:54 PM »

Quote from: Vince Basile on September 21, 2006, 08:37:33 PM

Bob said:What did you expect me to do in "representing " lee?

Just how am I "saving my neck"? Saving my neck from what?

As usual...STFU about issues you don't have the first clue about.

An athletes rep should represent all athletes and their issues to the IFBB. Lee wanted to participate in another event not sanctioned by the IFBB. So Bob should have done something to forward that request. What did Bob do? He came on line and warned Lee about being suspended and that is exactly what has happened. Bob has done nothing for Lee about this request and he refuses to act on his behalf.

Bob, you are saving your neck because you merely quote the IFBB rules and distance yourself from what has happened to Lee. It is not your fault and you even warned him. You, Bob, are an IFBB official so according to the constitution are part of the IFBB. You, therefore, since you agree with those rules and this rule in particular, are responsible for what has happened to Lee.

Using STFU on a discussion board might seem cool to you but it sure makes you look uncouth and ignorant to me. Please use intelligent discourse to defeat arguments and not offensive insults. You are hardly a role model and I would not support you as a rep for anything.

Let's not forget Chick was not appointed "Athlete's Rep" by a vote. He was placed there by Manion. Shawn Ray was voted and once he resigned Chick took his place. Why wasn't there a vote?

bbinsider · « **Reply #109 on:** September 21, 2006, 08:45:05 PM »

Quote from: G o a t b o y on September 21, 2006, 08:42:37 PM

Crap like that is exactly what makes this a restraint-of-trade and anti-trust case. The IFBB is going down.

Lee, please speak on this or maybe you don't even know about this.

dorkeroo · « **Reply #110 on:** September 21, 2006, 08:45:48 PM »

Quote from: bbinsider on September 21, 2006, 08:42:54 PM

Let's not forget Chick was not appointed "Athlete's Rep" by a vote. He was placed there by Manion. Shawn Ray was voted and once he resigned Chick took his place. Why wasn't there a vote?

I think because there was nobody else interested in the job. I don't know for sure though.

bbinsider · « **Reply #111 on:** September 21, 2006, 08:47:13 PM »

Quote from: dorkeroo on September 21, 2006, 08:45:48 PM

I think because there was nobody else interested in the job. I don't know for sure though.

Was there a letter sent to the IFBB pros if anyone wanted to run? If so, let's see it.

Chick · « **Reply #112 on:** September 21, 2006, 08:48:15 PM »

Quote from: Vince Basile on September 21, 2006, 07:58:32 PM

From where I am in the dark, removed and uninformed, it appears the 3 stooges of Getbig are Bob, Goodrum and Weinberger! Bob is the smart one but not by much. The beautiful thing was that they were all totally oblivious of their own shortcomings and hence the humour.

You want to have a civil discussion...no problem. You want to throw insults, expect a return in kind. You want respect...show some. I never brought you up once in this thread....act like an asshole, you'll get treated like one.

Now, Lee never asked for my help in presenting any case to the IFBB...If he did, I would have had no problem in giving my best advice.

I'm responsible for what happened to Lee?

LOLOL...no, my friend...Lee is responsible for what happened to Lee...no one else.

G o a t b o y · « **Reply #113 on:** September 21, 2006, 08:50:46 PM »

Quote from: bbinsider on September 21, 2006, 08:47:13 PM

Was there a letter sent to the IFBB pros if anyone wanted to run? If so, let's see it.

Jocelyn Pelletier for ~~Manion's lapdog~~ Athlete's Rep!

Chick · « **Reply #114 on:** September 21, 2006, 08:51:33 PM »

Quote from: bbinsider on September 21, 2006, 08:42:54 PM

Let's not forget Chick was not appointed "Athlete's Rep" by a vote. He was placed there by Manion. Shawn Ray was voted and once he resigned Chick took his place. Why wasn't there a vote?

Shawn resigned...the job was posted for a month, no one else was interested. I volunteered for the position, as I worked with Shawn with his agenda...end of story.

I'll welcome the opportunity for anyone to run for the position against me when it comes up this next year...

dorkeroo · « **Reply #115 on:** September 21, 2006, 08:52:38 PM »

Quote from: Chick on September 21, 2006, 08:48:15 PM

You want to have a civil discussion...no problem. You want to throw insults, expect a return in kind. You want respect...show some. I never brought you up once in this thread....act like an asshole, you'll get treated like one.

Now, Lee never asked for my help in presenting any case to the IFBB...If he did, I would have had no problem in giving my best advice.

I'm responsible for what happened to Lee? LOLOL...no, my friend...Lee is responsible for what happened to Lee...no one else.

I don't think you would take 99% of the heat you do here if you changed your job title. I think most people here do not believe that you have Lee's best interests in mind when you go to the office (sorry about the lame comparison, had to be something) and if you weren't claiming to be the athletes' rep, nobody would say half as much as they do.

Anyways, just trying to help. You just seem to have a very cavalier attitude regarding this as well as a tremendous conflict of interest and it doesn't seem right as the athletes' rep to be that way.

bbinsider · « **Reply #116 on:** September 21, 2006, 08:59:20 PM »

Quote from: Chick on September 21, 2006, 08:51:33 PM

Shawn resigned...the job was posted for a month, no one else was interested. I volunteered for the position, as I worked with Shawn with his agenda...end of story.

I'll welcome the opportunity for anyone to run for the position against me when it comes up this next year...

Where was it posted?? Getbig??? That's f*CKIN halarious.

thisiskeith12 · « **Reply #117 on:** September 21, 2006, 09:02:11 PM »

What I don't get is why the rule can't be changed? If the PDI is so small as Bob says, why not let athletes compete at both if they want? What hurt would it do? What's wrong with just getting it changed? Besides what you Bob may think is pointless, what's the hurt in changing it?

G o a t b o y · « **Reply #118 on:** September 21, 2006, 09:13:36 PM »

Quote from: thisiskeith12 on September 21, 2006, 09:02:11 PM

What I don't get is why the rule can't be changed? If the PDI is so small as Bob says, why not let athletes compete at both if they want? What hurt would it do? What's wrong with just getting it changed?

Because despite their protestations to the contrary, Bob and all the other water-bearers for the IFBB are scared shitless of the PDI.

willie mosconi · « **Reply #119 on:** September 21, 2006, 09:15:09 PM »

isn't ben weider retarded?

thisiskeith12 · « **Reply #120 on:** September 21, 2006, 09:19:47 PM »

Quote from: willie mosconi on September 21, 2006, 09:15:09 PM

isn't ben weider retarded?

No, but his voice is funny!

Kwon · « **Reply #121 on:** September 21, 2006, 09:25:38 PM »

Lee P for President!

Wombat · « **Reply #122 on:** September 21, 2006, 09:28:26 PM »

Quote from: Chick on September 21, 2006, 08:51:33 PM

Shawn resigned...the job was posted for a month, no one else was interested. I volunteered for the position, as I worked with Shawn with his agenda...end of story.

I'll welcome the opportunity for anyone to run for the position against me when it comes up this next year...

as athletes rep, why don't you impose term-limits...Keep it fresh...say 4 years...And when those 4 years are up and nobody wants to jump in, then their will be no rep until someone steps up...What would it hurt...

IronMagazine.com · « **Reply #123 on:** September 21, 2006, 09:32:13 PM »

Quote from: Chick on September 21, 2006, 08:48:15 PM

Lee is responsible for what happened to Lee...no one else.

exactly, and why he has the audacity to ask for donations, is he destitute?

onlyme · « **Reply #124 on:** September 21, 2006, 09:33:33 PM »

Quote from: Chick on September 21, 2006, 08:42:04 PM

Business is Business...the supplement companies have hundreds of thousands of dollars invested in the NPC/IFBB, they're not stupid...they make a good chunk of their change by way of magazines, and by appealing to the largest fan base in the sport of BB...the NPC/IFBB.

Given that fact, can you blame any of them for staying loyal to where they pitch their tent? Hell no....

There are perks that come with loyalty and staying power, thats the case in EVERY aspect of business...sports related or other wise.

They also know that theey aren't going to tap any "new" market by supporting a federation like the PDI....for the most part, the same fans that would have an interest in attending ANY BB show...spending twice the investment to appeal to the same people, does not make any sense.

Chic how do explain numerous supp companies have contacted Wayne to be a sponsor. Only to get notified by the IFBB that if they did they would not be able to work with the IFBB anymore. There is money from sponsors for both organizations, just the IFBB doesn't want to share. You work for a bunch of assholes Chic and you know it.