Guy about to be waterboarded on the radio in 10 - 15 minutes

[kcballer]

I am not someone who is giddy to torture people, however, what I am saying is that if he have someone in custody who we know has knowledge about an imminent attakc that has the potential to kill thousdands of people, may tens of thousands of people, and nothing else worked, I would not be against doing what we had to do to get the info, such as waterboarding. 

   

I understand your viewpoint when it comes to Americans doing the torture for saving American lives.  But what about when it's another country torturing Americans to save their own citizens lives?  For example like during the Vietnam war.  Do you still support the principal that torture is okay then?

[Soul Crusher]

I understand your viewpoint when it comes to Americans doing the torture for saving American lives.  But what about when it's another country torturing Americans to save their own citizens lives?  For example like during the Vietnam war.  Do you still support the principal that torture is okay then?

I dont like it at all, but realize that this goes on in war.  Its one of the ugly realities of war.

 

[Deicide]

I understand your viewpoint when it comes to Americans doing the torture for saving American lives.  But what about when it's another country torturing Americans to save their own citizens lives?  For example like during the Vietnam war.  Do you still support the principal that torture is okay then?

No useful information.

[kcballer]

I dont like it at all, but realize that this goes on in war.  Its one of the ugly realities of war.

 

Fair enough.  Don't you think though there should be some sort of law against it though?  Wouldn't that be a good idea.  A mandate like i don't know lets call it the "geneva conventions" where prisoners of war should be treated as such.  However the United States doesn't agree and is in such esteemed company as Israel, Iran, Turkey, Pakistan, Afghanistan and Iraq.  

[240 is Back]

No, just enough to get whatever job we need done. 

we have that already.

Stockpiling any more is a waste of $ - money that will have to be borrowed forom China.

[Soul Crusher]

Fair enough.  Don't you think though there should be some sort of law against it though?  Wouldn't that be a good idea.  A mandate like i don't know lets call it the "geneva conventions" where prisoners of war should be treated as such.  However the United States doesn't agree and is in such esteemed company as Israel, Iran, Turkey, Pakistan, Afghanistan and Iraq.  

We do have laws against that, but terrorists dont fight for a nation, they are a murderous cult.  

[tonymctones]

I thought we were a civilized country.  I didn't know we needed to stoop to the level of third world dictators. 

this is the problem with the lefts way of thinking, civilized and uncivilized is a concept, a concept made by man its only real in our minds...LIFE AND DEATH ARE REAL and have real tangible consequences...

[Soul Crusher]

we have that already.

Stockpiling any more is a waste of $ - money that will have to be borrowed forom China.

Fine, I m totally with you on this.  If we have far more than we need, than lets get rid of the waste and keep what we need.   

[tu_holmes]

We do have laws against that, but terrorists dont fight for a nation, they are a murderous cult.  

Are we not in a "War on Terror".

If so, then are those prisoners, not prisoners of that war?

[Soul Crusher]

Are we not in a "War on Terror".

If so, then are those prisoners, not prisoners of that war?

No argument with you on this.  They are detainees, not prisoners.   

[kcballer]

We do have laws against that, but terrorists dont fight for a nation, they are a murderous cult.  

Then why is it a 'war on terror'?  Why are soldiers involved if it's a cult? Why not police?

If soldiers are engaged and killing it is a war.  If the president calls it a war it is a war.  If you capture someone during that war they are a prisoner of war.  

The only clever thing GWB ever did was not officially declare war on either Afghanistan or Iraq as a country therefore allowing any captured soldiers to be 'enemy combatants' and allowing the US to circumvent it's own laws and international laws to allow torture.  

Another quick question the Taleban fighters that remain in gitmo, the ones who are Afghan citizens are 'enemy combatants' right? Well what about the northern alliance that fought with the US are they not enemy combatants too or is it okay for militia groups to join the war as long as they are on the US side?

[Deicide]

Then why is it a 'war on terror'?  Why are soldiers involved if it's a cult? Why not police?

If soldiers are engaged and killing it is a war.  If the president calls it a war it is a war.  If you capture someone during that war they are a prisoner of war.  

The only clever thing GWB ever did was not officially declare war on either Afghanistan or Iraq as a country therefore allowing any captured soldiers to be 'enemy combatants' and allowing the US to circumvent it's own laws and international laws to allow torture.  

Another quick question the Taleban fighters that remain in gitmo, the ones who are Afghan citizens are 'enemy combatants' right? Well what about the northern alliance that fought with the US are they not enemy combatants too or is it okay for militia groups to join the war as long as they are on the US side?

GW has a mean golf stroke.