Author Topic: Guy about to be waterboarded on the radio in 10 - 15 minutes (Read 2707 times)

Butterbean · « **on:** May 22, 2009, 08:02:23 AM »

A relative I spoke w/recently told me there is a radio dj to be waterboarded this morning on the air.

She said you can listen at www.wlsam.com

Butterbean · « **Reply #1 on:** May 22, 2009, 08:21:36 AM »

EMT standing by

Marine SGT will do the boarding

Butterbean · « **Reply #2 on:** May 22, 2009, 08:23:13 AM »

Guy said it was "way worse than he thought it would be"

He lasted about 2 seconds

Said it's "absolutely torture"

Deicide · « **Reply #3 on:** May 22, 2009, 08:27:48 AM »

Quote from: STella on May 22, 2009, 08:23:13 AM

Guy said it was "way worse than he thought it would be"

He lasted about 2 seconds

Said it's "absolutely torture"

It's great how you Christians love torture. All of you get behind.

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #4 on:** May 22, 2009, 08:29:29 AM »

Quote from: STella on May 22, 2009, 08:23:13 AM

Guy said it was "way worse than he thought it would be"

He lasted about 2 seconds

Said it's "absolutely torture"

I dont doubt it sucks, but if its my family and coutry vs your cult and intent to blow my family up - - LET THE WATER FLOW!

Butterbean · « **Reply #5 on:** May 22, 2009, 08:30:48 AM »

They said he lasted about 6-7 seconds.

He said before he didn't believe it was torture, now he does believe it is torture.

Deicide · « **Reply #6 on:** May 22, 2009, 08:31:46 AM »

Quote from: 333386 on May 22, 2009, 08:29:29 AM

I dont doubt it sucks, but if its my family and coutry vs your cult and intent to blow my family up - - LET THE WATER FLOW!

It doesn't provide useful information. What's the point? You get false confessions. Makes no sense in doing something that doesn't work.

Butterbean · « **Reply #7 on:** May 22, 2009, 08:32:17 AM »

Quote from: Deicide on May 22, 2009, 08:27:48 AM

It's great how you Christians love torture. All of you get behind.

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #8 on:** May 22, 2009, 08:34:05 AM »

Quote from: STella on May 22, 2009, 08:30:48 AM

They said he lasted about 6-7 seconds.

He said before he didn't believe it was torture, now he does believe it is torture.

I have no problem with torture under certain circumstances.

Deicide · « **Reply #9 on:** May 22, 2009, 08:34:42 AM »

Quote from: STella on May 22, 2009, 08:32:17 AM

So do you still want to torture people Stella?

BTW, thanks for removing my Iris Kyle thread...

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #10 on:** May 22, 2009, 08:36:01 AM »

Quote from: Deicide on May 22, 2009, 08:31:46 AM

It doesn't provide useful information. What's the point? You get false confessions. Makes no sense in doing something that doesn't work.

In some cases it might.

I want to do what works. If the CIA people wioth experience in this tell me it does work, they are better equipped and experienced to make that determination than I am.

I doubt think they did or do this for fun or kicks, but to try to save innocent lives from the murderous desires of savage terrorists.

Butterbean · « **Reply #11 on:** May 22, 2009, 08:36:39 AM »

Quote from: Deicide on May 22, 2009, 08:34:42 AM

So do you still want to torture people Stella?

BTW, thanks for removing my Iris Kyle thread...

I didn't remove it. It's on General.

Do I want to torture people? When did I say that?

I did say if my mom was buried alive in a hole and the only way to find out where she was was to waterboard the criminal that put her there that yes, I would probably do so. And yes, I stick by that.

Deicide · « **Reply #12 on:** May 22, 2009, 08:39:13 AM »

Quote from: 333386 on May 22, 2009, 08:36:01 AM

In some cases it might.

I want to do what works. If the CIA people wioth experience in this tell me it does work, they are better equipped and experienced to make that determination than I am.

I doubt think they did or do this for fun or kicks, but to try to save innocent lives from the murderous desires of savage terrorists.

The CIA also claimed the Soviet economy was 50% bigger than it was in 1989. CIA=collection of some successes but mostly failures. If it were truly effective murderers would be waterboarded to get the right information.

The True Adonis · « **Reply #13 on:** May 22, 2009, 08:41:56 AM »

Quote from: 333386 on May 22, 2009, 08:34:05 AM

I have no problem with torture under certain circumstances.

I thought you said it wasn`t torture? Republicans already changed their talking points eh?

The True Adonis · « **Reply #14 on:** May 22, 2009, 08:45:15 AM »

Quote from: STella on May 22, 2009, 08:36:39 AM

I didn't remove it. It's on General.

Do I want to torture people? When did I say that?

I did say if my mom was buried alive in a hole and the only way to find out where she was was to waterboard the criminal that put her there that yes, I would probably do so. And yes, I stick by that.

Why would you assume that "waterboarding" would be the only way to find this type of info out?

FYI, the police in our country are faced with these types of scenarios all the time and they do not "waterboard", yet are able to extract information without torture.

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #15 on:** May 22, 2009, 08:47:38 AM »

Quote from: The True Adonis on May 22, 2009, 08:41:56 AM

I thought you said it wasn`t torture? Republicans already changed their talking points eh?

I dont play word games like you do. I dont think it is torture, but I would not care if they did worse if it saves thousands of lives from some muslim savage from seeking allah along with 100k of our citizens.

headhuntersix · « **Reply #16 on:** May 22, 2009, 08:48:07 AM »

Having never set foot inside the countries that most of these people come from, i guess u would feel that way. The arab jihadi mind is like that of an alien.

Deicide · « **Reply #17 on:** May 22, 2009, 08:49:18 AM »

Quote from: 333386 on May 22, 2009, 08:47:38 AM

I dont play word games like you do. I dont think it is torture, but I would not care if they did worse if it saves thousands of lives from some muslim savage from seeking allah along with 100k of our citizens.

What about bodily mutilation? I think the pragmatic argument wins, most people will tell you anything you want to hear if they are being tortured.

The True Adonis · « **Reply #18 on:** May 22, 2009, 08:50:31 AM »

Quote from: 333386 on May 22, 2009, 08:47:38 AM

I dont play word games like you do. I dont think it is torture, but I would not care if they did worse if it saves thousands of lives from some muslim savage from seeking allah along with 100k of our citizens.

There has never been any lives saved in lieu of torture. In order to make the argument that torture works, there has to be some sort of identifiable result. In the History of the United States and the entire History of the United States Armed Forces, there is no single instance of Torture ever procuring any kind of information of any kind that has saved lives.

You are operating on the supposition that torture has already saved lives and that it will ALWAYS work and save lives. This goes against all facts and evidence.

Butterbean · « **Reply #19 on:** May 22, 2009, 08:51:58 AM »

Quote from: The True Adonis on May 22, 2009, 08:45:15 AM

Why would you assume that "waterboarding" would be the only way to find this type of info out?

You missed the point. It was part of the scenario stated.

headhuntersix · « **Reply #20 on:** May 22, 2009, 08:53:14 AM »

Quote from: The True Adonis on May 22, 2009, 08:50:31 AM

There has never been any lives saved in lieu of torture. In order to make the argument that torture works, there has to be some sort of identifiable result. In the History of the United States and the entire History of the United States Armed Forces, there is no single instance of Torture ever procuring any kind of information of any kind that has saved lives.

You are operating on the supposition that torture has already saved lives and that it will ALWAYS work and save lives. This goes against all facts and evidence.

Based on what...omg dude u have no idea what ur fucking talking about.

The True Adonis · « **Reply #21 on:** May 22, 2009, 08:59:21 AM »

Quote from: STella on May 22, 2009, 08:51:58 AM

You missed the point. It was part of the scenario stated.

You are giving a faulty scenario in that you are not explaining how "you know" that "waterboarding" is the ONLY way to get certain info.

How would one arrive at this conclusion that out of a billion different methods, this HAS to be THE ONLY one that would save your mom from being buried alive?

headhuntersix · « **Reply #22 on:** May 22, 2009, 09:01:39 AM »

In the course of business, plenty of suspects have had the shit beaten out of them, to get info. Plenty of guys I know have shitbeat jihadi's to get info. Waterboarding worked, we have the memo's. If tickling them worked, I'd be for that.

Butterbean · « **Reply #23 on:** May 22, 2009, 09:02:32 AM »

Quote from: The True Adonis on May 22, 2009, 08:59:21 AM

You are giving a faulty scenario in that you are not explaining how "you know" that "waterboarding" is the ONLY way to get certain info.

How would one arrive at this conclusion that out of a billion different methods, this HAS to be THE ONLY one that would save your mom from being buried alive?

That was the stated scenario TA. No need to get upset about it.

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #24 on:** May 22, 2009, 09:02:38 AM »

Quote from: The True Adonis on May 22, 2009, 08:59:21 AM

You are giving a faulty scenario in that you are not explaining how "you know" that "waterboarding" is the ONLY way to get certain info.

How would one arrive at this conclusion that out of a billion different methods, this HAS to be THE ONLY one that would save your mom from being buried alive?

TA - what if in the ticking time bomb situation everything else failed and you knew that a plot was imminent???