Unamerican, traitor's tax evading people

[bears]

Maybe they do realize it could be them and that is why they mentally create this division hoping it will somehow insulate them from that happening.

So are you suggesting I not take every deduction available to me under the law? There is nothing devious about being well informed about tax laws and taking every possible legal deduction. Devious behavior would be cheating on ones taxes. There is a risk involved in such cheating. If caught, at the least you'll be fined and if the tax fraud is flagrant enough, you might be warming up a jail cell.

Personally, I'd rather save everything I legally can on my tax bill and donate that money to charity of my choice. Which, by the way, is another tax deduction. Did you know you can donate up to 30% of your gross income to legitimate charities without raising any red flags with the IRS? Not that my wife and I donate that much....just saying.

this is also what the libs call a "tax loophole" for rich people.  You see in the mianstream media's eyes when a rich white business man donates his money, they call it a tax loophole.  When a rock star or movie star does the same thing, they're "giving back to the community"

[reppingfor20]

taking money away from rich people and giving it to poor people is not fairness.  sorry.  the idea of it may make you feel all warm and fuzzy inside but it still does not fall under the definition of fairness.  fairness is a flat tax where everyone pays the same rate of tax no matter what they earn.

read the bible. 

So if someone is a communist, which of the five remaining communist countries should they pick to live in: China, Cuba, Laos, North Korea or Vietnam?

How can I be anti America?  I never said I was a communist, you just accuse me of this.  I am against the American support of the illegal jewish state, America has a lot to clean up, that doesn't mean I am anti America, I can point out what they need to do to be a better country.  Such as taxing the rich back to what the tax rate for them use to be, close tax loopholes, and stop corporate greed by passing new regulation.

Most rich people don't give to charity because they are charitable, they do it to get a tax break(loophole) bigger than what the donation is.  So it works in their favor.

[bears]

read the bible.  

How can I be anti America?  I never said I was a communist, you just accuse me of this.  I am against the American support of the illegal jewish state, America has a lot to clean up, that doesn't mean I am anti America, I can point out what they need to do to be a better country.  Such as taxing the rich back to what the tax rate for them use to be, close tax loopholes, and stop corporate greed by passing new regulation.

Most rich people don't give to charity because they are charitable, they do it to get a tax break(loophole) bigger than what the donation is.  So it works in their favor.

will you seriously stop talking about shit that you have absolutely ZERO knowledge about!  please tell me how the tax benefit of donating is bigger than the donation itself.  this is like that episode of Seinfeld.  seriously just stop.  you're making a complete ass of yourself.

[bears]

read the bible. 

How can I be anti America?  I never said I was a communist, you just accuse me of this.  I am against the American support of the illegal jewish state, America has a lot to clean up, that doesn't mean I am anti America, I can point out what they need to do to be a better country.  Such as taxing the rich back to what the tax rate for them use to be, close tax loopholes, and stop corporate greed by passing new regulation.

Most rich people don't give to charity because they are charitable, they do it to get a tax break(loophole) bigger than what the donation is.  So it works in their favor.

you're literally sitting here blatantly making shit up.  you're an idiot.

[Primemuscle]

read the bible. 

How can I be anti America?  I never said I was a communist, you just accuse me of this.  I am against the American support of the illegal jewish state, America has a lot to clean up, that doesn't mean I am anti America, I can point out what they need to do to be a better country.  Such as taxing the rich back to what the tax rate for them use to be, close tax loopholes, and stop corporate greed by passing new regulation.

Most rich people don't give to charity because they are charitable, they do it to get a tax break(loophole) bigger than what the donation is.  So it works in their favor.

No, you didn't outright say you were a communist. However, believing that the rich should share their wealth with the poor so that all folks have some money is communist idealism. Of course, this idealism doesn't work because people aren't wired like that. We are wired to take care of ourselves first and then our families. This is called survival of the fittest.

Does it make a difference to those receiving charity why someone donated their hard earned money to it? I don't think so. Furthermore, how can you know what all rich people think. I suspect many folks who have money donate to charity because they derive some good feelings from being charitable. I'll ask my wife, she's always donating money to one charity or another. She tends to be rather clueless about finances although she is fortunately fairly conservative when it comes to spending money on herself. On second thought, I can guarantee that my wife gives no thought to saving money on taxes by donating money to charities or tax loopholes as you refer to them.

America (the U.S.) is a capitalist country. You don't seem like a capitalist. By default, this makes you appear un-American.

By the way, I agree that we the people should demand our government make the tax laws simpler and more fair to all. However, you and I may disagree on what is fair. See, I have no problem with rich people being rich as you seem to have. My uneducated suggestion for taxes is to have one tax rate for all with no deductions whatsoever. If a couple decides to have twelve kids, that's their choice....why should they get a deduction for this? It is not like we need to boost the population. If I finance my home or give money to charity that is also my choice. The interest on my loan or the gifts I give should not translate to tax deductions. My guess is that the tax rate with no deductions would be very low compared to what it is now. Of course, this idea would put a lot of people out of work, like tax auditors and tax preparers. Shit! Nothing is ever as simple as it seems.

[Primemuscle]

will you seriously stop talking about shit that you have absolutely ZERO knowledge about!  please tell me how the tax benefit of donating is bigger than the donation itself.  this is like that episode of Seinfeld.  seriously just stop.  you're making a complete ass of yourself.

Is it possible that he has never filed a tax return? Is it possible that he actually doesn't know that tax deductions don't translate to like dollars in your bank account? Is it possible that he represents what some people think is the 99%?

I am in the 99% as are most of us. That's why it is 99% of the people. Lots of us are doing OK, paying our taxes after taking whatever deductions we or our tax person believes we can legally take. Some of us give to others (charities of our choice) who are in need.

[Skip8282]

you're literally sitting here blatantly making shit up.  you're an idiot.

Very common on this board.  Guideline #1, actually.

[reppingfor20]

No, you didn't outright say you were a communist. However, believing that the rich should share their wealth with the poor so that all folks have some money is communist idealism. Of course, this idealism doesn't work because people aren't wired like that. We are wired to take care of ourselves first and then our families. This is called survival of the fittest.

Does it make a difference to those receiving charity why someone donated their hard earned money to it? I don't think so. Furthermore, how can you know what all rich people think. I suspect many folks who have money donate to charity because they derive some good feelings from being charitable. I'll ask my wife, she's always donating money to one charity or another. She tends to be rather clueless about finances although she is fortunately fairly conservative when it comes to spending money on herself. On second thought, I can guarantee that my wife gives no thought to saving money on taxes by donating money to charities or tax loopholes as you refer to them.

America (the U.S.) is a capitalist country. You don't seem like a capitalist. By default, this makes you appear un-American.

By the way, I agree that we the people should demand our government make the tax laws simpler and more fair to all. However, you and I may disagree on what is fair. See, I have no problem with rich people being rich as you seem to have. My uneducated suggestion for taxes is to have one tax rate for all with no deductions whatsoever. If a couple decides to have twelve kids, that's their choice....why should they get a deduction for this? It is not like we need to boost the population. If I finance my home or give money to charity that is also my choice. The interest on my loan or the gifts I give should not translate to tax deductions. My guess is that the tax rate with no deductions would be very low compared to what it is now. Of course, this idea would put a lot of people out of work, like tax auditors and tax preparers. Shit! Nothing is ever as simple as it seems.

A flat tax would work, but then the people who are currently under paid would have to get a pay raise equivalent to what they are going to be paying in extra income tax or else those people will take a huge it, may lose their house, car, etc etc, so that needs to be taken into account.

[Primemuscle]

A flat tax would work, but then the people who are currently under paid would have to get a pay raise equivalent to what they are going to be paying in extra income tax or else those people will take a huge it, may lose their house, car, etc etc, so that needs to be taken into account.

To say that people are underpaid is a whole different issue. Some people make little money because they have jobs which pay very little....this is not the same as being underpaid. Underpaid is when you have a job which normally pays what the market and competition dictates, but you are paid less than that for various reasons. If you are a resident MD making minimum wage, you are probably underpaid. If you pump gas and make minimum wage, you are not underpaid, you just have a low paying job.

Truly, what do these people pay in taxes now? Are they using tax "loopholes" to avoid paying taxes. The lowest tax bracket is 10% for single filers with an income income of $0 – $8,500, married filing joint with and income of $0 – $17,000 and head of household with an income of $0 – $12,150.

I could be wrong, but folks at this income level are probably on public assistance. It is very unlikely they are buying a house and perhaps not even a car worth keeping. Here's a scenario for you, if the flat tax were, say 10% for all, a couple making $17,000 a year with no deductions of any kind would owe $1700 in taxes. Chances are they work for an employer where taxes are taken out each time one is paid. So if they are paid once a month and they both earn the same amount of $8,500 annually, they each would have only $70.80 per month in federal taxes deducted.

On the otherhand, someone making $75,000 a year would pay at 10% flat tax $7,500 a year. Someone making $200,000 would pay $20,000 and someone making a million would pay $100,000.

I don't know what the tax rate would need to be if we were to go with a flat tax to keep it revenue neutral.

Some people feel a better tax is "fair tax" which does not tax income at all, but rather only goods and services (consumption or sales tax). This would replace our current system of income tax. Obviously, there are no "loopholes" with this method of taxation.

[tonymctones]

Is it possible that he has never filed a tax return? Is it possible that he actually doesn't know that tax deductions don't translate to like dollars in your bank account? Is it possible that he represents what some people think is the 99%?

I am in the 99% as are most of us. That's why it is 99% of the people. Lots of us are doing OK, paying our taxes after taking whatever deductions we or our tax person believes we can legally take. Some of us give to others (charities of our choice) who are in need.

he represents a good number of ppl in the ows movement. This was the crux of my posts in the beginning. The 99% take tax credits and deductions to lessen their tax burden 45% of the time to zero or to get a refund but somehow they are patriots...

you are ok in my book prime, we dont agree on much but at least you are reasonable.

[Primemuscle]

he represents a good number of ppl in the ows movement. This was the crux of my posts in the beginning. The 99% take tax credits and deductions to lessen their tax burden 45% of the time to zero or to get a refund but somehow they are patriots...

you are ok in my book prime, we dont agree on much but at least you are reasonable.

We don't agree on much? I hadn't noticed. If you say it is so than it probably is. LOL!

I'm the kind of person who gets over things really quickly. Not much future in holding grudges. Some of my best friends are Republicans, believe it or not.

Thanks, I try to look at issues from all perspectives. If that makes me reasonable, then I'm doing something right. People have different lives and experiences which give them their own perspective on pretty much everything. I have found during my many years that there is a lot of gray area between the extremes. There is something to be learned from almost everyone. I look at Getbig as a huge melting pot of ideas. It is good to try and be open to other folks opinions and ideas.
 

[Grape Ape]

Some of my best friends are Republicans, believe it or not.

This made me lol.   "I'm not racist, some of my best friends are black".....

[bears]

A flat tax would work, but then the people who are currently under paid would have to get a pay raise equivalent to what they are going to be paying in extra income tax or else those people will take a huge it, may lose their house, car, etc etc, so that needs to be taken into account.

just fuckin shut up already

[240 is Back]

I dont know how either party can claim God.

Jesus taught mercy and forgiveness - and Repubs love the death penalty.

Wouldn't Jesus forgive a killer, if that killer was truly sorry?

Maybe the repubs are "closer" to the religion than the dems are.  But neither as perfect.  Glass houses, etc.

Anyone in the GOP tries to "own" God with his party is pretty hilarious.  Jesus handed out fish and bread to the poor - that's food stamps by today's standards.

[bears]

I dont know how either party can claim God.

Jesus taught mercy and forgiveness - and Repubs love the death penalty.

Wouldn't Jesus forgive a killer, if that killer was truly sorry?

Maybe the repubs are "closer" to the religion than the dems are.  But neither as perfect.  Glass houses, etc.

Anyone in the GOP tries to "own" God with his party is pretty hilarious.  Jesus handed out fish and bread to the poor - that's food stamps by today's standards.

it's easier to label religious conservatives as "hypocrites" because they have a set of rules that have been put forth out into the world for everyone to see.  Non religious liberals are much more difficult to label because there is no set standard to which they ascribe themselves.  they march to the beat of their own drummer.  which is good in many ways don't get me wrong.  however people tend to think of religious people as hypocrites because they set a high moral standard that is difficult to live by.

i mean think of it this way.  have you ever done anything wrong?  and when i say "wrong" i mean have any of you ever done anything that you knew was wrong but did it anyway.  we ALL have.  i guess we're all hypocrites right?  i mean we would tell people not to do what we did even though we did it right?

 i think non religious liberals have it a little easier in this respect because their moral code is not set in stone and no one can pore over it and dissect and criticize it for 2,000 years.  That's why when i hear anyone criticize the Bible I tell them to put in writing their entire moral code and me and 100 of my friends will read it and let them know if their view on morality is perfect.  I guarantee them that it will be an utter failure.   

[240 is Back]

neither party has religious superiority - because neither party 'kicks out' it sinners.

both parties kill (death penalty and abortion)

both parties start pre-emptive wars for resources.

they're both a bunch of sick fcking sinners. 

All of this talk about 'liberals can't be christians' or "god would have been a republican" is silly.

Both parties are evil bastards.  If you want to argue "eviler", go for it. 

[tonymctones]

I dont know how either party can claim God.

Jesus taught mercy and forgiveness - and Repubs love the death penalty.

Wouldn't Jesus forgive a killer, if that killer was truly sorry?

Maybe the repubs are "closer" to the religion than the dems are.  But neither as perfect.  Glass houses, etc.

Anyone in the GOP tries to "own" God with his party is pretty hilarious.  Jesus handed out fish and bread to the poor - that's food stamps by today's standards.

you havent read the bible much have you 240? the Lord smites ppl and has ppl smited left and right.

a person being saved doesnt mean they are free from punishment

[Primemuscle]

you havent read the bible much have you 240? the Lord smites ppl and has ppl smited left and right.

a person being saved doesnt mean they are free from punishment

Don't believe everything you read....especially everything you read in the bible which is basically as bunch of folklore.

I imagine I'll now be seeing a bunch of posts telling me that I'm going to hell for saying that. It's OK though, I don't believe in hell either.

[reppingfor20]

Don't believe everything you read....especially everything you read in the bible which is basically as bunch of folklore.

I imagine I'll now be seeing a bunch of posts telling me that I'm going to hell for saying that. It's OK though, I don't believe in hell either.

good post!

[tonymctones]

Don't believe everything you read....especially everything you read in the bible which is basically as bunch of folklore.

I imagine I'll now be seeing a bunch of posts telling me that I'm going to hell for saying that. It's OK though, I don't believe in hell either.

LOL right back at you...

I wasnt referring to whether he was a believer or not simply referring to his post about Jesus and God forgiving murderers...

maybe you should comprehend all that you read as well...

[Primemuscle]

LOL right back at you...

I wasnt referring to whether he was a believer or not simply referring to his post about Jesus and God forgiving murderers...

maybe you should comprehend all that you read as well...

Perhaps I should and perhaps you should be clearer in what you post. After rereading the associated posts, to me, my post is right on.

[reppingfor20]

Perhaps I should and perhaps you should be clearer in what you post. After rereading the associated posts, to me, my post is right on.

Prime you are wise just like Bay, two very wise posters on getbig, gotta say that.

[Primemuscle]

Prime you are wise just like Bay, two very wise posters on getbig, gotta say that.

Ha, ha. Maybe we gay and bisexual guys know a little something about that which we speak after all.

Thanks.