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Re: Stock Market
« Reply #25 on: September 21, 2021, 07:47:35 PM »
Or watch it go down in value at today's crazy home prices.  Nobody know the future.

Better to rent and invest what you'd normally spend in closing costs, mortgage, PMI, home insurance, HOA fees, maintenance and repairs, etc.  Renting gives you far more flexibility too.

Where do you live that renting is significantly cheaper than a mortgage payment?

What would you recommend investing the extra money in?

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Re: Stock Market
« Reply #26 on: September 22, 2021, 12:39:47 AM »
Why?  I don't have it as something to make a return.  It's there as a hedge against the market and to have some sense of security.

Because you lock up funds in a bond giving 0.5% yield per annum and forgo having it sit in cash allowing you opportunity to quickly jump into good opportunities.

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Re: Stock Market
« Reply #27 on: September 22, 2021, 04:40:27 AM »
You know some poor people.

But I agree with the sentiment. Managing a property portfolio can be a major headache.

You are right.  I forgot that these people in the $2M to $10M Net Worth range are poor by Getbig standards.  Getbiggers wipe their butts with that kind of money.   :D

BTW, in order to be legally authorized to invest in real estate syndications and other securities that are not registered with regulatory authorities like the SEC, they have to be accredited investors.

"To be an accredited investor, a person must have an annual income exceeding $200,000 ($300,000 for joint income) for the last two years with the expectation of earning the same or a higher income in the current year. An individual must have earned income above the thresholds either alone or with a spouse over the last two years. The income test cannot be satisfied by showing one year of an individual's income and the next two years of joint income with a spouse.

A person is also considered an accredited investor if they have a net worth exceeding $1 million, either individually or jointly with their spouse. The SEC also considers a person to be an accredited investor if they are a general partner, executive officer, or director for the company that is issuing the unregistered securities."


https://www.investopedia.com/terms/a/accreditedinvestor.asp

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Re: Stock Market
« Reply #28 on: September 22, 2021, 05:29:33 AM »
Where do you live that renting is significantly cheaper than a mortgage payment?

What would you recommend investing the extra money in?

I didn't say that renting is significantly cheaper than a mortgage payment.

I said that renting is significantly cheaper than the sum of all these: closing costs, mortgage payments, PMI, home insurance, HOA fees, maintenance and repair costs, etc...and I forgot to mention one of the costliest ones, property taxes.

What you invest the extra money in depends on many variables including age, retirement time horizon, personality, etc.

Investing in rental properties is owning and managing a business.  It's tedious and a lot of work.  Some people enjoy it and live for this kind of investment.  Because of leverage (borrowing and therefore investing other people's money) and the tax deductions you get as an investor, real estate investing can get you to your financial goals a lot quicker than you would in other investments.  If this is for you, than go for it.

Other people, especially professionals with a decent salary, prefer to invest the extra money passively in stock and bond index funds, and cash.  It's easy, just set it and forget it.  For this they use their employer retirement plan, Roth IRA, taxable brokerage accounts, CDs, etc., with the bulk of their portfolio invested in stock index funds for fastest growth.

Some people do a combination of mostly real estate and some stock index fund investing or vice versa.

What I tell young people is that as soon as they start earning they invest in an S&P 500 index fund in their employer retirement plan up to the employer match, then open a Roth IRA at Vanguard, invest in VTSAX and max it out every year.


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Re: Stock Market
« Reply #29 on: September 22, 2021, 05:43:59 AM »
VTSAX

Why VTSAX instead of s&p 500?

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Re: Stock Market
« Reply #30 on: September 22, 2021, 09:42:06 AM »
Why VTSAX instead of s&p 500?

S&P 500 index funds are great too, but they include only large-cap stocks.

Total stock market index funds such as VTSAX are slightly more diversified because they include small-cap, mid-cap, and large-cap stocks. Both indexes represent only U.S. stocks.

Both types of indexes are heavily weighted toward large-cap stocks.  So the performance of the two fund types is very similar.

Most employer retirement plans include at least one S&P 500 index fund, but few if any include a total stock market index fund.

At the end of the day it's a matter of preference.  I prefer VTSAX because it is slightly more diversified and because the price per share is lower, allowing me to get more shares for my money.

Vanguard 500 Index Fund (VFIAX)
Price as of 09/21/2021:  $403.13
Number of stocks: 507
https://investor.vanguard.com/mutual-funds/profile/vfiax

Vanguard Total Stock Market Index Fund (VTSAX)
Price as of 09/21/2021:  $109.53
Number of stocks: 3980
https://investor.vanguard.com/mutual-funds/profile/VTSAX

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Re: Stock Market
« Reply #31 on: September 22, 2021, 09:46:00 AM »
The $1million net worth for accredited investors is exclusive of your home value.

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Re: Stock Market
« Reply #32 on: September 22, 2021, 09:47:24 AM »
The $1million net worth for accredited investors is exclusive your home value.

Yup, at least $1M in investable assets. 

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Re: Stock Market
« Reply #33 on: September 22, 2021, 10:08:12 AM »
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multi family real estate

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Re: Stock Market
« Reply #34 on: September 22, 2021, 10:21:04 AM »
el pollo loco

multi family real estate

Good for you!