WTF is up with the small shows?

[1Fast400]

Yeah it must have been really fucking hard selling shite pro hormones to the sea of clueless cuntboxes desperate for supposed steroid like gains  LOL, well done you, you low rate scumfuck

If it were so easy, how come more aren't doing it?  You realize PH haven't been sold for almost 2 years?  If you think the online business is SO easy, why not give it a shot yourself.  There is a good reason why 5-6 sites are light years ahead in volume compared to others. 

[Woten]

If it were so easy, how come more aren't doing it?  You realize PH haven't been sold for almost 2 years?  If you think the online business is SO easy, why not give it a shot yourself.  There is a good reason why 5-6 sites are light years ahead in volume compared to others. 

listen fat lad, you made your money selling pro hormones and other piss weak 'research' products to gullible fuckwits with no clue on how to source genuine products from elsewhere

Jesus, you are nothing more than a pusher of snakeoil to deluded clowns attempting to reach the end of the rainbow

hurrah, you scurrilous little shitbag

[1Fast400]

listen fat lad, you made your money selling pro hormones and other piss weak 'research' products to gullible fuckwits with no clue on how to source genuine products from elsewhere.  Jesus, you are nothing more than a pusher of snakeoil to deluded clowns attempting to reach the end of the rainbow. hurrah, you scurrilous little shitbag

Fatlad at 7% bf, interesting.  You'd rather people break the law and buy steroids?  At least at the time the stuff was legal.  That's much better, lets send them to random sources to buy steroids and hope what they bought was legit.  I love how that site has 4,000 items on it and you want to focus on 20.  As if those 20 items made up ALL of the sales.  I guess you think protein/bcaa/creatine are all snake oil as well?

It's ok to be jealous, really. 

[Woten]

Fatlad at 7% bf, interesting.  You'd rather people break the law and buy steroids?  At least at the time the stuff was legal.  That's much better, lets send them to random sources to buy steroids and hope what they bought was legit.  I love how that site has 4,000 items on it and you want to focus on 20.  As if those 20 items made up ALL of the sales.  I guess you think protein/bcaa/creatine are all snake oil as well?

It's ok to be jealous, really. 

no, lard ass, you know full well that [in terms of profit] the mark up on your snake oil products would have blown the shit out of the latter products you mention (whey etc) so dont come your straw man bullshit here, sonny

You know full well that the vast bulk of your product line is irrelevant, and that most of your turnover came from the aforementioned pro hormones (together with the piss weak research chemicals) that - again as stated - you EAGERLY sold to hapless wankers so keen to spunk their monthly wages on a crappy tub of pro hormones in an effort to grab steroid like gains

You, you evil little man, would have sold - without qualm - overpriced products to customers. You would have known full well that, that month, their money would be spent on your poison rather than on clothes/food/school books for their young children

You SIR are an evil little spoke in the black, satanic, shitstained wheel that turns daily for many in this contemporay society, a society many attempt to pass off as a healthy world

You sick little shit!

[wood]

I seriously doubt you'll come to my face and laugh.  You really should visit 5th grade english class, it's you're not your.  I assume you meant unorganized?

As far as 1fast400, I sold my companies back in June.  I'm 27 years old and retired.  I'd say I did pretty well. 

So that's why you didn't respond to my PM...it all makes sense now

[1Fast400]

no, lard ass, you know full well that [in terms of profit] the mark up on your snake oil products would have blown the shit out of the latter products you mention (whey etc) so dont come your straw man bullshit here, sonny

You do realize the majority of those products were bought from distributors, just like the protein/bcaa/creatine you mention.  Profit margins in our industry are pretty standard.  The margin bb.com makes vs a 100k/year site on a given product is within 5-10%.  Sorry you don't know more about the subject.

You know full well that the vast bulk of your product line is irrelevant, and that most of your turnover came from the aforementioned pro hormones (together with the piss weak research chemicals)

Please name one research chemical I've sold in 4 years.  People that use the term research chemical sell clomid/nolva and things of that sort.  I've never done that.  If the vast bulk of my product line was irrelevant I wouldn't have carried it. 

that - again as stated - you EAGERLY sold to hapless wankers so keen to spunk their monthly wages on a crappy tub of pro hormones in an effort to grab steroid like gains

So your issue is that PH didn't work?  It would have been perfectly fine if these hapless wankers spent their money on steroids, to which they would have had no idea what they got.  You don't think 1-test and Methyl 1-test were effective products?

You, you evil little man, would have sold - without qualm - overpriced products to customers. You would have known full well that, that month, their money would be spent on your poison rather than on clothes/food/school books for their young children  You SIR are an evil little spoke in the black, satanic, shitstained wheel that turns daily for many in this contemporay society, a society many attempt to pass off as a healthy world  You sick little shit!

Wow, you have issues.  I should point out a HUGE flaw in your argument.  If all my sales came from PH type products, those products haven't been sold for 2 years then how was I able to sell my company for enough money to retire?  It's simple, those "latter" products were a majority of our sales, which is why we continued to grow and NEVER had a decrease in sales post ban. 

I'm done with you.

[a_joker10]

The answer ot these small shows is relatively simple.

No byes for the Olympia or Arnold.

Emplement a play off series like all the PGA or NASCAR are going towards.
With the championship being the Olympia.

Have Ronnie, Jay, Gustav perform  in at at least 4 to 5 shows a year in a playoff format and these small shows will do well.
It is hard to sell a show when the biggest name there is Rodney St. Cloud or Dave Henry.

Diehards might follow these guys. No one else does.

[Cleanest Natural]

Demand - what a handful of guys who cruise the message boards, who don't support the industry besides their insults and attacks? Yeah let's all run and meet their demands.

Yes, I think that webcasting shows can be a good idea, if like Mike mentioned, there is a small charge for it. Otherwise I think people will say why go to the show when I can sit at home and watch it on the web for free.

Who's making an excuse for mediocrity? It's the promoter's choice to do a webcast, not the IFBB's. What's so hard to understand about that? When's the last time you watched a squash webcast? LOL.

Garraeth, stating facts is not a guilt trip. You are one of the thousands of cheap asses that keep this industry from growing. You expect everything for free and give nothing back.

i coudn't have watched it anyway ..iwas in front of the camera

[Below Me]

This is not an IFBB matter...The onus of running the show falls cleanly on the promoters shoulders. The IFBB is  a sanctioning body...thats all they do.

The IFBB cannot mandate that the promoters have to advertise, or have a webcast, etc...of course, it's in the promoters best interest if their looking to make a profit and grow the show.

Bob:

Didn't you have a 'proposal' in the last few years to have promotions increase purse money yearly?
If the IFBB is only a 'sanctioning' body, why do do they take such a huge cut of every show?

[Tre]

A major reason why the Weiders never tried to expand BB is because they were afraid of losing control. If major sponsors came in the possibility of them wanting to have a say-so in how things worked could easily happen. 

100% correct. 

Look around - there used to be major corporate sponsors, and now they have nothing to do with bodybuilding. 

The powers-that-be would rather control 100% of a $1 million industry than to control only 60% of a $10 million dollar industry.