WTF is up with the small shows?

[jmt1]

i heard the pre judging was about 150 people.

anyone know how the night show turned out?

[G o a t b o y]

i heard the pre judging was about 150 people.

Yeah, but the sponsors are satisfied because the webcast went out to 20 times that many, so they got their name out there, and feel they got their money's worth out of sponsoring the show.







Oh......   wait a minute...... 

[Lift Studios]

Could you guys piss and moan any more? You've been spoiled by bb.com bringing the shows to the web. When they did all you did was complain at the quality and the production value. Now you DEMAND a webcast for every show?  Be thankful for guys like Bill Comstock/graphic muscle and Flexonline for delivering photos in a timely fashion. You used to have to wait until the mags came out to see ANY coverage.

Enough with the bitching already.

[G o a t b o y]

Could you guys piss and moan any more? You've been spoiled by bb.com bringing the shows to the web. When they did all you did was complain at the quality and the production value. Now you DEMAND a webcast for every show?  Be thankful for guys like Bill Comstock/graphic muscle and Flexonline for delivering photos in a timely fashion. You used to have to wait until the mags came out to see ANY coverage.

Enough with the bitching already.

STFU, Lift.  If someone comes up with a clearly superior way of doing things, it should be the new standard, period.  Just look at any product that has existed for a long time, and tell me consumer expectations of what is minimally acceptable aren't way higher than they were 10 or 20 years ago (cars are a good example, but this applies to everything).  Who the fucck cares if you had to wait two months for the mags to come out in 1992?  Guess what, Isaac?  It ain't 1992 anymore! 

[Lift Studios]

STFU, Lift.  If someone comes up with a clearly superior way of doing things, it should be the new standard, period.  Just look at any product that has existed for a long time, and tell me consumer expectations of what is minimally acceptable aren't way higher than they were 10 or 20 years ago (cars are a good example, but this applies to everything).  Who the fucck cares if you had to wait two months for the mags to come out in 1992?  Guess what, Isaac?  It ain't 1992 anymore! 

When was the last time you left your house and actually supported a show with your money - you know actually buying a ticket? What I thought. Zip it goatballs.

[G o a t b o y]

When was the last time you left your house and actually supported a show with your money - you know actually buying a ticket? What I thought. Zip it goatballs.

Can't think of a reasonable rebuttal?  No problem, just attack your adversary and hope no one notices.  Monster debate technique, Lift! 

[SWOLETRAIN]

Why the hell does this sport choose to  reamain so primative? Its a classic sport that has been around for decades. We, should be on PPV each event.  What is the basic cost for putting an event on televisioesn?... Wrestling manages to get each and every event on PPV?  I don't see why the athletes are not pushing for expansion harder. The IFBB has the sport by the balls! And we all suffer because of it. Pros deserve to be known......

[gordiano]

Why the hell does this sport choose to  reamain so primative? Its a classic sport that has been around for decades. We, should be on PPV each event.  What is the basic cost for putting an event on televisioesn?... Wrestling manages to get each and every event on PPV?  I don't see why the athletes are not pushing for expansion harder. The IFBB has the sport by the balls! And we all suffer because of it. Pros deserve to be known......

That's because Wrestling is ran by someone who wants to grow the damn thing.......the IFBB shows no desire to do so....

[gordiano]

Could you guys piss and moan any more? You've been spoiled by bb.com bringing the shows to the web. When they did all you did was complain at the quality and the production value. Now you DEMAND a webcast for every show?  Be thankful for guys like Bill Comstock/graphic muscle and Flexonline for delivering photos in a timely fashion. You used to have to wait until the mags came out to see ANY coverage.

Enough with the bitching already.

We're not pissing and/or moaning. We are making valid points about the lack of IFBB care for it's own "sanctioned shows".

I personally don't remember complaining about the quality/production of the webcasts..........

As far as pics "in a timely fashion" go......they should be up sooner, period. This is the age of the internet, yet we have to wait a day and sometimes more to get pics? 

Could you imagine if ESPN gave us last week's highlights today? Would you be satisfied? 

BTW, could someone explain to me why the IFBB website is hardly ever updated, or why we can't seem to get immediate show results/pics from them? They are the official site, no? That's like NFL.com not posting it's scores..........oh, my bad. I'm comparing the IFBB to a legitimate sports league.

[Miss Karen]

Joe and Ben have made their money$$$$$$ so not to worry.Think of the poor dumb Pros competing for 5th place $1000 wow man they must be rich.

[1Fast400]

If the IFBB wants bigger shows, they have to cut the sanctioning fee's out for 2 years.  There is no way someone is going to do a pro show these days, in a decent venue, advertise it properly and make money.  If you run a full event, meaning women/mens bb'ing, fitness and figure it will cost you 75k with the prize purse and sanctioning fee's.  Include the rental of your venue, advertising, staging, lighting, labor, union fee's and hoards of other shit, there is NO WAY it's going to make money.

People don't go to bodybuilding shows, get that through your heads.  That is why I did the FIRST ever webcast of a bb'ing event.  For shows to make money they will need to offer a service like this in a PPV type of format.  The events simply won't draw enough people otherwise.  

[gordiano]

If the IFBB wants bigger shows, they have to cut the sanctioning fee's out for 2 years.  There is no way someone is going to do a pro show these days, in a decent venue, advertise it properly and make money.  If you run a full event, meaning women/mens bb'ing, fitness and figure it will cost you 75k with the prize purse and sanctioning fee's.  Include the rental of your venue, advertising, staging, lighting, labor, union fee's and hoards of other shit, there is NO WAY it's going to make money.

People don't go to bodybuilding shows, get that through your heads.  That is why I did the FIRST ever webcast of a bb'ing event.  For shows to make money they will need to offer a service like this in a PPV type of format.  The events simply won't draw enough people otherwise.  

Thank you for sharing.

Yes, the IFBB sanction fees need to go...........they are lucky ANYONE is willing to put up a show......you shouldn't have to pay for it........

[SWOLETRAIN]

If the IFBB wants bigger shows, they have to cut the sanctioning fee's out for 2 years.  There is no way someone is going to do a pro show these days, in a decent venue, advertise it properly and make money.  If you run a full event, meaning women/mens bb'ing, fitness and figure it will cost you 75k with the prize purse and sanctioning fee's.  Include the rental of your venue, advertising, staging, lighting, labor, union fee's and hoards of other shit, there is NO WAY it's going to make money.

People don't go to bodybuilding shows, get that through your heads.  That is why I did the FIRST ever webcast of a bb'ing event.  For shows to make money they will need to offer a service like this in a PPV type of format.  The events simply won't draw enough people otherwise.  

No, your wrong. Take the Olympia for instance, The show is massively promoted and draws an entire weekend. Apparently there are fans out there, they travel from everywhere to see the Olympia. Just like a nightclub, these smaller events just need more promotion. They can't just rely on the old word of mouth and a few magazine ads. They need to be heavily advertised events. More flyers, web advertisement, and possibly even radio. How would we know theres no fans if we never even tried to get any? Bodybuilding is just as strong as womens softball and there on national TV. We need more youth on the promotions side. These old men promote like old men.

[1Fast400]

No, your wrong.

Just a warning, I'm getting ready to own you.

Take the Olympia for instance, The show is massively promoted and draws an entire weekend. Apparently there are fans out there, they travel from everywhere to see the Olympia

The olympia and the arnold never sell out.  The amout of tickets given away is unreal.  The reason the O is massively promoted, it is OWNED by a magazine.  You have two shows a year that make real money and are held in a real venue, no other pro show is like that.  Why do you think promotors put on an NPC show with a pro show.  That is the ONLY way to get fans there.  Family/friends comes to watch their friends/family compete. 

Just like a nightclub, these smaller events just need more promotion. They can't just rely on the old word of mouth and a few magazine ads. They need to be heavily advertised events. More flyers, web advertisement, and possibly even radio. How would we know theres no fans if we never even tried to get any?

I ran 12 ads in M&F/Flex/Mens Fitness.  I also had ads in MD.  I direct emailed 100k supplement purchasing people within 500 miles of the venue spot.  I did another direct mailing through AMI (real mail not email) that went to 75k people within 750 miles of charlotte.  I posted on every major message board, did local radio and tv.  Don't tell me about promotion.  We had less than 200 people at our night show.  Get it in your head, PEOPLE DON'T GO TO PRO SHOWS.

Bodybuilding is just as strong as womens softball and there on national TV. We need more youth on the promotions side. These old men promote like old men.

You are stupid if you think womens softball and bb'ing are on the same level.  Last time I checked every major D1 school in the country wasn't giving scholarships for bb'ing.  It isn't an olympic sport.  The number of people doing softball outnumbers bb'ing by at least 100:1. 

[1Fast400]

Heaven forbid someone actually make money from a service they provide

[Azure]

People USED to go to Pro Shows...Could it be because the caliber of competitors has gone down.  It's like the NBA...Ratings had gone down because people couldn't relate to the young guys in the league.  It wasn't like back in the day when Magic, Bird, and Jordan were running things.  Same with Bodybuilding.  There isn't a Flex Wheeler, a Shawn Ray  , or a Kevin Levrone that people can relate to as physique icons.

I don't know what they are thinking having a show small before the Olympia anyway...Where is the hype for the O?  Where were the Pros in the audience for the show?

[onlyme]

A major reason why the Weiders never tried to expand BB is because they were afraid of losing control. If major sponsors came in the possibility of them wanting to have a say-so in how things worked could easily happen.  Weiders are attention whores.  They love to see their name on the billboard.  A major sponsor would want to be the headlinerand Weiders would no way in hell accept that.  Also, they have made millions of dollars of BB shows by doing exactly the way they have been doing it for decades.  They are happy with what is going on.  Big sponsors and major media would bring attention to the IFBB.  That is the last thing they would want.  If the IFBB BB shows were a major events the government would defnitely get involved. Audits, drug testing and other shit.  Right now the IFBB operates just under the wire.  Hopefully with this Lee Priest thing the IRS will audit the IFBB.

[SWOLETRAIN]

Just a warning, I'm getting ready to own you
The olympia and the arnold never sell out.  The amout of tickets given away is unreal.  The reason the O is massively promoted, it is OWNED by a magazine.  You have two shows a year that make real money and are held in a real venue, no other pro show is like that.  Why do you think promotors put on an NPC show with a pro show.  That is the ONLY way to get fans there.  Family/friends comes to watch their friends/family compete. 


I ran 12 ads in M&F/Flex/Mens Fitness.  I also had ads in MD.  I direct emailed 100k supplement purchasing people within 500 miles of the venue spot.  I did another direct mailing through AMI (real mail not email) that went to 75k people within 750 miles of charlotte.  I posted on every major message board, did local radio and tv.  Don't tell me about promotion.  We had less than 200 people at our night show.  Get it in your head, PEOPLE DON'T GO TO PRO SHOWS.

You are stupid if you think womens softball and bb'ing are on the same level.  Last time I checked every major D1 school in the country wasn't giving scholarships for bb'ing.  It isn't an olympic sport.  The number of people doing softball outnumbers bb'ing by at least 100:1. 

WOW!!! lay off the AAS bro..... They tend to make people aggressive! Why do you think people don't go to pro shows, almighty? Who's fault might that be, the fans? No way. Its the promoters!!!!! Your the type of person who makes this kinda shit(the boards) no fun. Get a life..... Don't take it to the heart!

[Cleanest Natural]

Could you guys piss and moan any more? You've been spoiled by bb.com bringing the shows to the web. When they did all you did was complain at the quality and the production value. Now you DEMAND a webcast for every show?  Be thankful for guys like Bill Comstock/graphic muscle and Flexonline for delivering photos in a timely fashion. You used to have to wait until the mags came out to see ANY coverage.

Enough with the bitching already.

U know...it's called demand...and the market should adapt....progress...stop making an excuse for mediocrity.they should try to webcast every show...they need to....the sport is dying....there use to be a decent pro circuit in the 80's and early 90's...now it's just olympia and classic and ray's show and a handful of 10k...look around at other sports with pro circuits....FUCK...even squash is doing better (the raquet sport ...not the veggie)

[1Fast400]

WOW!!! lay off the AAS bro..... They tend to make people aggressive! Why do you think people don't go to pro shows, almighty? Who's fault might that be, the fans? No way. Its the promoters!!!!! Your the type of person who makes this kinda shit(the boards) no fun. Get a life..... Don't take it to the heart

There are no fans because at the end of the day it is nothing more than oversized drugged up dudes in bikini's.  Women's bb'ing is the same.  Fitness has the largest draw potential, but they need to soften it up before it gets appeal.  Figure had a ton of potential, but once again they let it go the hardened drug route. 

The reason I take it to heart is simple.  You're some slap dick fan who thinks he knows how everything works.  You want to sit on the sideline and bitch.  When was the last time you went to a pro show?  You have NO clue what it takes to put on a pro show.  I do.  You have no idea the amount of money required to run a pro show.  You say I don't make the boards fun, that's because you talked out of your ass and I showed that. 

You do realize the almighty O and Arnold you quote as being a huge success only sells between 3500-4500 tickets.  These are the superbowls of our sport and they only draw that?  How can you expect a lesser show, with less pub to be MORE successful than that?  Those shows are promoted out of their ass and that is all we get.  Go to the olympia website and check for yourself.  The front sections and the side sections are reserved for sponsors.  As a consumer you can STILL buy a seat within 3 sections of the stage 5 rows back.  It is ONE week before the show.

[Lift Studios]

U know...it's called demand...and the market should adapt....progress...stop making an excuse for mediocrity.they should try to webcast every show...they need to....the sport is dying....there use to be a decent pro circuit in the 80's and early 90's...now it's just olympia and classic and ray's show and a handful of 10k...look around at other sports with pro circuits....f**k...even squash is doing better (the raquet sport ...not the veggie)

Demand - what a handful of guys who cruise the message boards, who don't support the industry besides their insults and attacks? Yeah let's all run and meet their demands.

Yes, I think that webcasting shows can be a good idea, if like Mike mentioned, there is a small charge for it. Otherwise I think people will say why go to the show when I can sit at home and watch it on the web for free.

Who's making an excuse for mediocrity? It's the promoter's choice to do a webcast, not the IFBB's. What's so hard to understand about that? When's the last time you watched a squash webcast? LOL.

Garraeth, stating facts is not a guilt trip. You are one of the thousands of cheap asses that keep this industry from growing. You expect everything for free and give nothing back.

[SWOLETRAIN]

ill see you at the O... .and im gonna laugh in your f-ing face punk. Plus F-uck 1fast400 overpriced, onorganized, peice of shit site!!!! your nothing bro.... your killin your own business. Just because you know everything!!!!

[1Fast400]

ill see you at the O... .and im gonna laugh in your f-ing face punk. Plus F-uck 1fast400 overpriced, onorganized, peice of shit site!!!! your nothing bro.... your killin your own business. Just because you know everything!!!!

I seriously doubt you'll come to my face and laugh.  You really should visit 5th grade english class, it's you're not your.  I assume you meant unorganized?

As far as 1fast400, I sold my companies back in June.  I'm 27 years old and retired.  I'd say I did pretty well. 

[Woten]

I'd say I did pretty well. 

Yeah it must have been really fucking hard selling shite pro hormones to the sea of clueless cuntboxes desperate for supposed steroid like gains

LOL, well done you, you low rate scumfuck

[G o a t b o y]

...what a handful of guys who cruise the message boards, who don't support the industry besides their insults and attacks? Yeah let's all run and meet their demands.

You just don't get it, do you?


We're saying what everyone else is thinking!

Most people don't post on message boards, and many of those who do post on kiss-ass boards where you're not allowed to say what you really think.

Is it important to meet the demands of Getbig "trolls"?  In itself, no.  However, it is important to meet the demands of the market as a whole, and like it or not, an uncensored board like Getbig provides a pretty good barometer of what people are really thinking.