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Re: 240 and his conspiracy theory.
« Reply #50 on: February 17, 2007, 05:43:32 PM »
uh... did you miss my last sentence where i said it doesn't indicate that they perpetrated 9/11? if you're that bad at reading comprehension i can't imagine how anyone could expect you know what you're talking about.

but it casts a huge shadow of doubt upon them.

I read very well, but I doubt you understand what I wrote.  Do some reading and come back to me.

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Re: 240 and his conspiracy theory.
« Reply #51 on: February 17, 2007, 05:45:51 PM »
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Re: 240 and his conspiracy theory.
« Reply #52 on: February 17, 2007, 05:50:02 PM »
I watched that video... It's very interesting.

The one thing I never did like was how this video had more answers than the Government ever disproved.

They produce more answers than the Government ever produced as well, which really isn't very comforting and unfortunately gives them more credit...

Remember... there are conspiracy theorists, then there are conspiracy realists.

Everything is not a conspiracy, but there are some things that people continually probe into and get road blocked by higher powers.

As a fictional character once stated.

"Once you've elimated the impossible, all that remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth".
Hey, That's Sherlock Holmes. And he wasn't fictional. Was married to my great-grandmother for nigh 30 years.  ;)

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Re: 240 and his conspiracy theory.
« Reply #53 on: February 17, 2007, 07:45:23 PM »
Since ya brought it up...

No, I never said Bush did anything but read "my pet goat" and look confused.  I said the buildings were brought down in controlled demolitions, and that FAA/NORAD lied about their timeline and destroyed evidence.  This demonstrates assistance here, which warrants a second, independent 911 investigation.

Sounds like the 911 Truth movment is kinda important to you.  Learn more!

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Jesus Christ dude, stop the madness already. The one chief fact you keep missing is that those buildings simply didn't collapse in the same manner as a controlled demolition.

1) the collaspes all began at the point of initial impact of the planes.
2) Controlled demolition explosions start low and work their way up. According to what you claim are the charges, they are working their way from the top-down.





Your theory was even disproved by Skeptic magazine...a magazine who's whole purpose is to debunk conventional explanations. Even they don't buy this conspiracy bullshit.


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Re: 240 and his conspiracy theory.
« Reply #54 on: February 17, 2007, 07:57:14 PM »
That is true.  It helps the building collapse on itself

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Re: 240 and his conspiracy theory.
« Reply #55 on: February 17, 2007, 08:05:04 PM »
Jesus Christ dude, stop the madness already. The one chief fact you keep missing is that those buildings simply didn't collapse in the same manner as a controlled demolition.

1) the collaspes all began at the point of initial impact of the planes.
2) Controlled demolition explosions start low and work their way up. According to what you claim are the charges, they are working their way from the top-down.





Your theory was even disproved by Skeptic magazine...a magazine who's whole purpose is to debunk conventional explanations. Even they don't buy this conspiracy bullshit.



Yes, they did, but why did the buildings act as if they were in free fall... timing of the fall clearly shows that as it fell, there was absolutely NO resistance to the fall... If a building falls from top to bottom, there should be some resistance at each floor.

The time it took for the buildings to fall was as if it was in free fall.

Why also did one which was hit earlier stay up the longest? the identical structures, the identical buildings, slight differences in height of impact do not corrolate to why the South tower fell first.


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Re: 240 and his conspiracy theory.
« Reply #56 on: February 17, 2007, 11:27:46 PM »
NO PLANE HIT WORLD TRADE 7.

But it fell anyway.

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Re: 240 and his conspiracy theory.
« Reply #57 on: February 18, 2007, 05:28:24 AM »
Yes, they did, but why did the buildings act as if they were in free fall... timing of the fall clearly shows that as it fell, there was absolutely NO resistance to the fall... If a building falls from top to bottom, there should be some resistance at each floor.

The time it took for the buildings to fall was as if it was in free fall.

Why also did one which was hit earlier stay up the longest? the identical structures, the identical buildings, slight differences in height of impact do not corrolate to why the South tower fell first.



I honestly can't say as I don't have a physics degree. I'm sure if I search long and hard enough though as have all of the conspiracy theorists, I can come up with a plausible explanation.

As far as why the south tower fell first, I absolutely disagree with you. There was nothing slight about the differences where they were hit. My explanation would be simply that it was hit more to the side and lower thus putting more weight and stress on the weakened area. I was there, less than a mile north, and every person on the street thought the South Tower was going to topple. No one thought they'd go as they did but topple it did just as was suspected and if you look at the videos, the fall starts exactly at the point of impact, as does the north tower.

So now I'd ask you to explain the following.

Given it takes a great deal of time, equipment and manhours to prepare a reasonably sized building for demolition, how do you explain that TWO 110 story buildings and ONE 50-somthing story building were prepared for demolition in what was supposed to be a week without no one noticing? All this work of course done without breaking open walls which would be required to expose critical beams. Those supposed charge blasts you see happen every 10 stories or so. The demo workers snuck onto fully occupied floors with no one knowing and planted charges? Doubtful is an understatement.

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Re: 240 and his conspiracy theory.
« Reply #58 on: February 18, 2007, 05:33:09 AM »
NO PLANE HIT WORLD TRADE 7.

But it fell anyway.

You're right but countless tons of buildings 1 and 2 fell on it. The infamous pictures you see are from the North. From the south, the building was decimated. It fell hours later. Why would they wait to detonate if that's what they did? I was at the site several weeks after for a memorial and saw the damage done to buildings 4 & 5 which are further away than 7. The south sides were pummeled. Hell, the world financial center had serious damage and that was way across West street. I'm surprised it stood as long as it did given it was built in the same manner.

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Re: 240 and his conspiracy theory.
« Reply #59 on: February 18, 2007, 07:05:54 AM »
You're right but countless tons of buildings 1 and 2 fell on it. The infamous pictures you see are from the North. From the south, the building was decimated. It fell hours later. Why would they wait to detonate if that's what they did? I was at the site several weeks after for a memorial and saw the damage done to buildings 4 & 5 which are further away than 7. The south sides were pummeled. Hell, the world financial center had serious damage and that was way across West street. I'm surprised it stood as long as it did given it was built in the same manner.



no steel concrete building had ever fallen.
the buildings around it were hit with "countless tons of building".  Not WTC7. Look at the pics of it, I can post a dozen if you want.  The front was fine - just fires.  "countless" tons would be zero, unless you count the fine dust cloud.  I'm sorry, but even NIST doesn't say that "countless tons" of debris brouhgt it down, cause that just didn't happen.  They blame fire.

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Re: 240 and his conspiracy theory.
« Reply #60 on: February 18, 2007, 07:09:21 AM »
Given it takes a great deal of time, equipment and manhours to prepare a reasonably sized building for demolition, how do you explain that TWO 110 story buildings and ONE 50-somthing story building were prepared for demolition in what was supposed to be a week without no one noticing? All this work of course done without breaking open walls which would be required to expose critical beams. Those supposed charge blasts you see happen every 10 stories or so. The demo workers snuck onto fully occupied floors with no one knowing and planted charges? Doubtful is an understatement.

Blasts were every 30 feet.  The pieces fit perfectly on the trucks of the company which also cleaned up OK city and WACO. 

Watch 911 Mysteries.  They interview many employees who detail oddities there over the 6 weeks before.  Concrete powder everywhere.  Heavy machinery on empty floors.  The weekened before, there were teams of men with jumpsuits in the building with spools of cable for "internet upgrading" that no one can find paperwork for, but they shut down the elevators and power in half of the building to do.

You should research this.  You seem intelligent, just haven't been exposed.  There was a lot of new people there doing new things in the 6 weeks before, and the power outages, bomb dogs being removed, etc, on the weekend before which should get most people curious.

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Re: 240 and his conspiracy theory.
« Reply #61 on: February 18, 2007, 08:31:04 AM »
Blasts were every 30 feet.  The pieces fit perfectly on the trucks of the company which also cleaned up OK city and WACO. 

Watch 911 Mysteries.  They interview many employees who detail oddities there over the 6 weeks before.  Concrete powder everywhere.  Heavy machinery on empty floors.  The weekened before, there were teams of men with jumpsuits in the building with spools of cable for "internet upgrading" that no one can find paperwork for, but they shut down the elevators and power in half of the building to do.

You should research this.  You seem intelligent, just haven't been exposed.  There was a lot of new people there doing new things in the 6 weeks before, and the power outages, bomb dogs being removed, etc, on the weekend before which should get most people curious.

LOL, thanks for the acknowledgment of my intelligence although I suppose that's debatable :D Interesting though how the implication is that if you take your side you're "intelligent" and if you don't you're not but whatever.

Fact is I have researched this, watched Loose Change and countless other conspiracy films on the subject as well as purchased magazines, read articles, etc. I then read the other side of the argument and based on what I've seen on both sides as well as with my own eyes I simply do not believe this was a conspiracy and controlled demolition. Once you believe that then you have to believe the events of the whole day were staged. Conversely, if you don't believe it was a controlled demolition or that a radio controlled plane hit the towers or whatever other theory you guys have come up with, then you must discredit all the theories. There have been enough holes in your "proof" that for me personally I simply can't believe any of it then. There are too many theories you guys simply can't explain other than with "watch the videos". OK, I've watched them and I'm still not convinced.

Sorry if that makes me unintelligent or naive or whatever other names you guys wish to call me and those who don't believe. Believe me I've got a STRONG interest in finding the truth and based on what I've seen the truth is a plane full of frightened passengers hit the towers and caused them to fall. Nothing more.

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Re: 240 and his conspiracy theory.
« Reply #62 on: February 18, 2007, 08:33:54 AM »


no steel concrete building had ever fallen.
the buildings around it were hit with "countless tons of building".  Not WTC7. Look at the pics of it, I can post a dozen if you want.  The front was fine - just fires.  "countless" tons would be zero, unless you count the fine dust cloud.  I'm sorry, but even NIST doesn't say that "countless tons" of debris brouhgt it down, cause that just didn't happen.  They blame fire.

http://www.debunking911.com/WTC7.htm

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Re: 240 and his conspiracy theory.
« Reply #63 on: February 18, 2007, 08:39:57 AM »
rjp, here's the thing...

If even ONE of these events of 9/11 was fake/shady -

whether it be the small hole at the pentagon, WTC7, the FAA employee admitting destroying tapes, NORAD lying on the stand, Bush lying about what he knew (he was told of 3 hijacked planes before walking into that school), the missing plane in Penn, or many other events...

If even ONE of these is shown to be complicit, you have an inside job.  You can punch holes in my theories all day - but if ONE of them is true, then I just showed 911 was an inside job.

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Re: 240 and his conspiracy theory.
« Reply #64 on: February 18, 2007, 10:03:10 AM »
rjp, here's the thing...

If even ONE of these events of 9/11 was fake/shady -

whether it be the small hole at the pentagon, WTC7, the FAA employee admitting destroying tapes, NORAD lying on the stand, Bush lying about what he knew (he was told of 3 hijacked planes before walking into that school), the missing plane in Penn, or many other events...

If even ONE of these is shown to be complicit, you have an inside job.  You can punch holes in my theories all day - but if ONE of them is true, then I just showed 911 was an inside job.
Wow, I'm convinced. Why don't you use this amazing intuition/research and get us a definitive answer on the Kennedy assassination. Shouldn't take you long.  ::)

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Re: 240 and his conspiracy theory.
« Reply #65 on: February 18, 2007, 11:09:51 AM »
rjp, here's the thing...

If even ONE of these events of 9/11 was fake/shady -

whether it be the small hole at the pentagon, WTC7, the FAA employee admitting destroying tapes, NORAD lying on the stand, Bush lying about what he knew (he was told of 3 hijacked planes before walking into that school), the missing plane in Penn, or many other events...

If even ONE of these is shown to be complicit, you have an inside job.  You can punch holes in my theories all day - but if ONE of them is true, then I just showed 911 was an inside job.

Burden of proof isn't on me my friend and you and your theorists have yet to prove a thing. Believe me, if you did every major news station would be on this story like stink on a turd...or are they in on it too?

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« Reply #66 on: February 18, 2007, 11:26:46 AM »
I honestly can't say as I don't have a physics degree. I'm sure if I search long and hard enough though as have all of the conspiracy theorists, I can come up with a plausible explanation.

Given it takes a great deal of time, equipment and manhours to prepare a reasonably sized building for demolition, how do you explain that TWO 110 story buildings and ONE 50-somthing story building were prepared for demolition in what was supposed to be a week without no one noticing? All this work of course done without breaking open walls which would be required to expose critical beams. Those supposed charge blasts you see happen every 10 stories or so. The demo workers snuck onto fully occupied floors with no one knowing and planted charges? Doubtful is an understatement.

I don't have a physics degree either, however my major did require a lot of high level math and for electives I chose Physics as my science requirements... I'm just saying that the freefall scenario seems odd... nothing more.

I don't disagree that it seems a far stretch, but so many people have gone on record discussing oddities in the weeks preceeding 9/11 that I truly don't know how I can completely dismiss the idea... I am definitely on the fence about the issue... I wish the boys in Washington would man up and really have a thorough investigation.

It's funny... If you or I commit a crime, we go to court and the Prosecution will pull out tons of evidence to enhance their case... the Government in this instance has provided us, the people who they ultimately work for, with almost zero evidence.

My issue is fundamental... The conspiracy theorists are producing more evidence and answering more questions than the US Government and I think that trend needs to be reversed.

The Gov. should ALWAYS be providing more evidence in these cases, that's why I get so miffed.

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Re: 240 and his conspiracy theory.
« Reply #67 on: February 18, 2007, 11:35:42 AM »
Burden of proof isn't on me my friend and you and your theorists have yet to prove a thing. Believe me, if you did every major news station would be on this story like stink on a turd...or are they in on it too?

Do you believe the govt influences what the media puts on tv - yes or no?

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« Reply #68 on: February 18, 2007, 11:38:10 AM »
Do you believe the govt influences what the media puts on tv - yes or no?

It is common knowledge that the government does influence what the media provides... whether it's pro government or not... they must do so in certain instances to protect the individuals, or that's the belief... I would also like to remind people that we have people on trial right now for exposing names of CIA operatives TO the media... That's influence in a different way, but influence none the less.

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Re: 240 and his conspiracy theory.
« Reply #69 on: February 18, 2007, 11:49:19 AM »
Do you believe the govt influences what the media puts on tv - yes or no?

Answer my question and I'll answer yours. Don't you know you don't answer a question with a question? Unless of course you're trying to misdirect and then it's a pretty good tactic.

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« Reply #70 on: February 18, 2007, 11:52:11 AM »
and when you go beyond the evidence of that day -

PNAC) when you realize that in 2000, a group of future bush admin people wrote a paper in which they planned out the invasions in the middle east and said that "a catalyzing event - like a new Pearl harbor" would be needed to justify these invasions for the American people.

Warnings) 29 separate foreign intel warnings on 9/11 which Bush ignored:
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_timeline&warning_signs:_specific_cases=foreignIntelligence

Investigation) JFK, Challenger, Columbia, pearl harbor - all investiations started within a week.  Bush told congress there would be zero investigation and Rusy shipped all the metal (possibly containing explosives residue) to china for recycling in violation of federal law. (it did come 441 days later after mass protests, but was very limited)

Economy) After dot-com bust of jan 2001, the economy was sinking to another recession.  monster war spending helped that recover and let the fed justify lowering rates which helped the economy recover.

Motive) Early 2002, the towers would have been demolished anyway due to cost prohibitive asbestos and corrosion repairs needed.   Also money, the owner put $14 MILLION down and cashed checks for almost TEN BILLION dollars, six weeks later.  

More motive) 2.3 trillion dollars announced missing on 9/10 from Pentagon accounting dept.  The next morning, a plane hits the pentagon accounting department.  The 2.3 trillion is never found.  hell, the plane hits at 9:32 AM after what I am guessing is a 9:30 AM meeting.  

So even if you believe everything made sense that morning (which I certainly don't, but even if you do), you'll see that Bush investigating himself for 9/11 is a very bad thing.  more than enough motive and example to show the investigation was biased.

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Re: 240 and his conspiracy theory.
« Reply #71 on: February 18, 2007, 11:55:24 AM »
Answer my question and I'll answer yours. Don't you know you don't answer a question with a question? Unless of course you're trying to misdirect and then it's a pretty good tactic.

Five companies, each tied to wallstreet, govt, and defense operations, also control 90% of the media.

So yes, I believe that they do decide editorial content based upon the goals of all their operations.  Exposing 9/11 as a fraud would cripple the defense spending (as people stopped supporting the war), would get people kicked out of office (bad for political ties) and might cause civil unrest (bad for wall street).

Also, the *underground media*, or the large group of cable access, internet webcast, online newspapers, blogs, etc have been pretty good at covering the events of 911 and the holes in the story.